This was great, Sayf. I can tell you have a MEAN jab. It looks like you time your weight perfectly to be with your fist on impact. You are a treasury of not just knowledge and technique, but wisdom. You are the best, bro.
I first noticed the same when I started watching old school Boxing matches, there's so much lost wisdom in Classical Pugilism. Keep staying ahead of the curb S Carmen.
Really nice break down. I’ve trained in a few lineages of WC. And I train in one now. I also boxed on and off for a bit. Based off of what I’ve seen over the years with WC lineages, there schools that lack a true perspective of the fight game or street fighting. Using chain punching has its place. But all to many times I see it used as away to close the gap?!? 9/10 it’s a disaster! The most successful I’ve seen is rangey WC fighters. They have the length to overwhelm from distance. Short fighter is going to attempt to bully his way in. That doesn’t always turn out to well. Also 70/30 stance doesn’t help when you need to retreat in a real world confrontation. Or competition. My school of WC has always taught 50/50 stances , angles and side steps. Of course this was a “no no from the so-called traditional community “ Because they hold all the rights to what traditional? Hey every lineage has there own approach. Good way to try out you WC and it’s effectiveness, is to suit up and exchange with a boxer. Chaining punch is very effective, but best once you’ve closed the gap and made some kind of contact. Very similar to a boxers flurries. But boxers don’t chase people down with them. There ‘s a small window to use them. It’s brief and does a lot of damage physically and mentally. Chain punches have the same effect if approach the right way.
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For me chain punching has worked for me, when a guy gets up close in my face. He cannot move away from me faster then I can lay him out with my chain punching. Like you said, there is a place and time to use chain punching and from far away is not a good time. This is good for close in punching.
Great info as always. First fighter I thought of was Salvatore Sanchez. Then I had to look it up to see if i remembered wrong. He definitely used this cycle style both from that cutting jab and more old-school pugilism style. Not as often as i thought because he did rely on hooks and hook-uppercuts but its visible.
Videos like this are rare. Keeping it real as always, thanks Sayf. I tell people that think chain punching is useless to look up Belfort Vs. Silva and Baroni Vs Menne.
Excellent. I'm so disappointed how these so called masters took the art in the wrong direction. The true masters of Wing Chun turned out to be the old-school pugilists like Jack Johnson. Great video and thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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To understand traditional martial arts I find that I must look at them in their context. Wing Chun is a style of Chinese Martial arts. As I've been instructed the Chinese didn't fight empty handed so all basic forms were to prepare one for warfare. Then to understand Wing Chun I must understand it's end which is the butterfly swords and the long pole. I cannot use chain punching with the long pole, but I can with the swords. Using those swords one can see it makes a lot of sense to chain punch. The opponent would usually have a longer weapon and only one whereas the wing chun master would have two shorter weapons. Once the wing chun stylist enters one weapon will bridge and the other will enter on the opponent. If the opponent retreats or sidesteps the cycling weapons will slash in and always have a blade on center to discourage counter attacking forward thus pressuring the opponent back. From there they can be quickly incapacitated. Empty handed it works the same way. It is less effective with a closed fist than an open hand. Once you've entered the chain punch has done it's work. It's not a finishing move. It's the next step after bridge if you can't gain superior position.
Old school was also bare knuckle, which usually fought with strong side forward like Bruce Lee advocated, which means right hand forward as most people are right handed. After the gloves came on, you see the shift to the left jab as you discuss here.
The absolute truth 💯. Traditional chain punching as taught by most is ABSURD. It's honestly the reason I avoided training WC for close to a decade before giving it a shot. But higher thinkers like this man allow it to be respectable, by explaining functionality as it pertains to modern combat. Well done
Excellent information, love your POV on this and other issues. One thought , respectfully,, maybe try to move camera closer, cut out the ceiling and we can see the details better.
I'm an ex boxer and I think the circling motion is quick but due to not being a straight strike it will lack some power well just my opinion. I watched Navy seals do 4 strike cycling with palm heel strikes but done a bit different as there thumb always faces themself on impact so just the heel impacts the target, looked just like boxing but with a loose cupped hand done as rushing forward in so it must be powerful enough as only focus on fast KO strikes. Try doing an uppercut with a cupped hand where your thumb always faces you on impact so it's to slight one side of the jaw a bit different but just some food for thought, they do it and with both hands or hands together !!! Anyways
Very good video I remember when I was younger, starting in Martial Arts that pugilistic style of punching was seen as comedy, you even saw it on some British comedy sketches until I learnt better. A slight distraction those of Sayf's subscribers who are middle aged or older and injuries have caught up with them so can't run 10 Kilometre anymore should consider skipping very intense for about 10 to 15 minutes. Your lungs will burn I'm not saying it is better than running I'm simply pointing out a good way to keep your cardiovascular system efficient as well as speeding you up that's what skipping does it makes you fast!
kalydosos: I generally do not like people giving advice on OUR channel, but in response to your advice, if people have that many injuries, skipping rope "intensely" will not be possible either. it is the SURFACE that matters most, not the activity (jogging or skipping). For those who cannot run OR skip rope, they can hit focus mitts nonstop or the heavy bag nonstop for 1 minute than extend to 2. Any activity that gets the heart rate up.
I have absolutely no idea where chain punching as an attack comes from. Seriously. My sifu is chinese, grew up in China and trained in HK during the golden age of the Ip Man school and he told me this was never part of Wing Chun as a combat technique. Even Gary Lam who arguably has the most flashy Wing Chun style of all the schools doesn't do it. This is part of a bunch of mysteries like that in Wing Chun : you see younger generations teaching "traditions" that were never in the tradition... It's like those schools (usually the same lineages I won't mention) who even teach that "Wing Chun, unlike western boxing, doesn't use hip rotation for power"... really??? have you learned or even just seen Cham Kiu ???
The rotation power is my biggest gripe. The rotation is just hidden in repositioning most the time as you shift from side to side and face the target since the strikes are usually straight and not round. Human body is designed to create power through rotation. Everything else is supplementary to that. Our bodies just don't move in straight lines the way we try to convince ourselves it does.
Sir, thx a lot for this great demonstration and for a very insightful application to use the chain punches for real. It's a shame that pugilism never get that importance to observe and to learn in a scientific way. It's also a shame that 52 blocks is also unterrated and didn't get the audience and finally the respect. In my opinion it's worth to involve in jeet kune do instead the thousands nonsense traps, instead of the unrealistic defence moves and all the Hollywood stuff which most of the jkd addicts perform.. The jun fan original combined with the new scientifics pugilism and a couple of 52 blocks with the original old school savate and in broader sense with the footwork of fencing.. Could be the modern art dedicated to the junfan/jkd.. With your explanation and wisdom everyone could be on the right track.. In Sparring there's than the ultimate test for the expressing of the human body.. Like mentioned before thx so much.. Power to the people
Also, do you think you could address verticle fisted strikes and others? I knew it was for a purpose but it threw me off in this video because it looked like it wouldnt cause the shoulder to protect the chin, it looked liable for hyperextension in the elbow, and like it couldnt get full extension. I'm sure you have some views on this and why it can be useful at times. Perhaps for splitting the guard? I was taught pretty much palm down all-around to an extent. I would study and throw verticle fisted uppercuts to split between the guard and I would mostly spin it at the last moment. Sometimes even past the guard. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the effect of the placement of which way the fist is turned upon impact.
Amari T. Ball: As you may know, I think of fighting and all that goes into it as very simple. Use the weapon that is best for the job. I have several ways I throw a punch and all are done to get a better angle to hit the eye socket or some other part of the head that needs my targeting to be more precise. I have seen people hurt their shoulder punching every way lol.
My opinion is that Wing Chun was never meant to be a fighting art in the first place. I think its what masters taught to the general public so they didnt have to actually teach their secrets.
huuugee spectrum of wide and deep knowledge! So i got the question, I am shotokan karateka, trying to train in '70 kugb-JKA manner(said that just to show respect to these federations and legends train there) I know that I can't eliminate the odds but let's say that my opponent attack with kizame tsuki and then continues with gyaku tsuki, will I take odds in my favor to counter if i block or retrieve from his kizame. Am I right that if opponent miss that first punch or you block it next punch is your counter so the most important punch is actually that first solid jab or kizame tsuki that cover long long distance... I just wanna know if my phylosophy of attack and counter is right. no better man to tell me then you :D... my English is bad, so if you didn't understand me i will repeat... THANK YOU
Topli Nacos: For one, your English is better than 90% of people in the US! You used a comma and ellipse lol. Most people here have no idea what they are, let alone how to use them. I would say these two counters work best: Block or pull from the Kizame tsuki and fire your Mae Geri from the back leg as he throws the gyaku tsuki. You will catch him leaning in. Hurts! The other strategy I like in that kind of fighting is to counter as often as possible with the Ashi Barai. That opens up good follow ups. It is unexpected when they punch. Lastly, remember that Ashi Barai is NOT to knock someone down, it is to disrupt the balance. Understanding that, knocking someone off balance means your sweep was successful.
Tank you, you really helped me. Lol i thought that I made 4-5 grammar mistakes. One more think, if my opponent catch me with that kizame, am I unable to counter because he broke my kinetic chain and made me blink and do some undefined movement so I am unable to counter. I am 15 btw, so this conversation is like treasure to me, I am actually reassessing my idea that the first punch from long range is the most important part of the game :D so everything goes down to commitment attacker to attack and other guy to counter :D ?
Wing Chun punches work best when: 1. You are VERY close to the person 2. you are CONSTANTLY moving forward. 3. Your hands and forearms are hardened by wooden dummy and sandbag/gravel striking, and finally 4. You surprise the person.
Sir,i've been studying wing chun for quite a bit..now,i do think the underlying principles are some of the most sound in martial arts,but i've always had a bit of a..'problem' with the way it's been expressed,i.e,the application side.most of the techniques and exercises simply don't make sense in a purely striking context,as seen in movies.but if you apply wing chun as it is exercised and drilled,shouldn't it be something more like what you see here with jack johnson,and other greats like joe gans,and even roberto duran,but with the addition of kicks?that is,seeking to bridge (clinch),then fighting from within the clinch and using hand fighting to manipulate your opponent's position while striking.to me,the forms,techniques,and exercises in wing chun make more sense this way.i know this opinion may not go down well among purists,but after practising the martial art for a while,this is the conclusion i've come to.sorry for the monologue,but would you have any thoughts on this?
Ezechiel Tahapary: I actually prefer punching vertically bare knuckle. I no longer get in scuffles, but I always found the vertical fist to be more natural and versatile for me. It takes less mechanics and hence less time also.
i have 2 questions. 1. you expained how it can be used. but is it ok to still practice it in the old fashion way speed. i mean, mike tyson did something similar thing when shadowboxing: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IXHJempvayI.html 0:55 2. i was just fooling around a bit after training and i came up with something. i dont know if its gonna work or not so i just wanne ask. what if you take a normal boxing stance, like a defensive stance for instance. and from there you can throw this chain punch. but instead of going to the middle you go high and walk forwards with it. you do it 3 times and then resume your stance or follow up with a finisher. i dont know if it will work or not but it feels kinda natural to do.
I've also heard some say that the true power line or the safest way tk throw was the last 3 knuckles (I think this is wingchun ideology) vs wester boxing which teaches that the power and safest way to through is the two strongest knuckles (plus is more damaging)/
The idea is in Wing Chun and JKD, but mostly when you hear power line it's coming from Jack Dempsey. Which is better? I'd say whatever you make work for you best. Proper alignment is more what's important in my opinion. If you're using boxing power, I'd be more concerned with the alignment from the knuckle back to the torso, whichever knuckle you choose to land with. Your body is generating much of the power so you shouldn't have a large concern unless you're in a competition where things are going to vary quite a bit. Your pinky knuckle is a floating knuckle, much easier to damage, making the top two knuckles safer. Alignment is based on arm positioning. If you do a vertical fist and hit with the top two knuckles, you'll probably sprain your wrist. Much is true if you use the bottom knuckles for a horizontal fist punch. If you use a horizontal fist, you can add torque through the arm giving another form of power as well. There's a lot to consider, so use what works best for your strategy. If you're unsure, most likely stick with horizontal.
BlueFang714: That is why I say what I say. It is far too much to care about this knuckle is that kind of knuckle and this alignment and that. Real fighting is not like that. It is not that difficult. Punch with the first 2 knuckles if you are going to punch. Why, they are bigger and denser. Simple. I have seen them break bricks, ice, wood and cement. All else is too much thinking and more about "art" than real self protection.
TheUmmahFightCamp I would agree. If you're going for specifically defense, stick with what's simple. I personally do wing chun mostly now, but I wouldn't recommend it for someone looking specifically to be able to protect themself and soon. The mechanics are against what you've taught yourself for decades, so especially in the beginning you'll be far worse off than you would've been without the training. Other systems use mechanics similar to what we've all formed over decades and are much easier to comprehend and use.
BlueFang714: Im actually talking about self protection. Here are the facts: People get sucker punched and knocked out. The person throwing the punch generally does not use a scientific explanation as to that knuckle they use. Often they slap with the palm of the fist, but they would tell you that they do more damage with the first two knuckles. For me, it is always about self-protection and not over thinking a situation cause it can mean life or death. I would not hold WC to just the punching method since it could very well be incorrect for the street. The idea of taking "All or nothing" is not an approach I recommend. There is much to take from it besides the punching method.
Brent Cruz: Roberto Duran was a fighter who threw his jab vertically many times. To tell you the truth, I really do not believe in looking nonstop at what other people do. Figure out what YOU need to do and how to do it.
Reply to the comment down there: Tank you, you really helped me. Lol i thought that I made 4-5 grammar mistakes. One more think, if my opponent catch me with that kizame, am I unable to counter because he broke my kinetic chain and made me blink and do some undefined movement so I am unable to counter. I am 15 btw, so this conversation is like treasure to me, I am actually reassessing my idea that the first punch from long range is the most important part of the game :D so everything goes down to commitment attacker to attack and other guy to counter :D ?
TheUmmahFightCamp Because of Johnson’s hands being so low, do you think in today’s boxing an opponent would throw many jabs at him if he was fighting today? I was looking at some of his fights footages, and I saw how fast and ruthless his attacks was, even while his hands started low.
Thank you Sir. After watching your video, I watched some documentaries on JJ, and I had no idea he was a great defensive fighter. I believe Joe Lewis and his camp should have allowed JJ to help him train for the Max Schmelling fight.
First of all I don’t call any man master period.Second if any of these gullible idiots knew martial arts history they would know in the past all these ridiculous ranks and titles did not exist, I repeat they did not exist.The only title that existed was simply teachers and students.I don’t care how long you trained as long as your teacher was still alive that was the only reference that was made.Now to you gullible idiots that are lining up to graft your lips to these self titled peoples with delusions of grandeur,none of these titles came about until these orientals figured out they could goad us westerners out of our money without even being challenged as to how skillful in fighting they really are because all of you have fell for the hype because of their self given titles.Even the great Bruce Lee said when they was training everyone referred to Yip Man as hey old man,research it for yourselves, and as i say I don’t call any man on earth master.
