What REALLY Went Wrong In "Ineligible Receiver" Penalty That Stole Win From Lions? | Pat McAfee Show 

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Spot on dude

Goff has no idea of the conversation between the player(s) and the ref

The NFL is a Autocratic Dictatorship

Because the nfl is a mafia.

Billion dollars industry standard bro, get on with it

70+ and it’s the best job in the world for them. They don’t want anyone taking that away lol

Making them full time won't solve anything. Plus, they're corrupt af. Jerry Jones will buy full time refs as well.

all refs need to be full-time, and get paid like full time employees. The NFL makes Billions of dollars they can afford full-time well paid officiating crews. Also they should have to past stringent physical fitness tests. I'm not saying they need an age cap but they need to be able to run 4 miles no slower than 8 minutes per mile. Lastly they need to be held accountable just like players and coaches. Require them to answer press questions after games. Have a rating system for % of correct calls. Highest rated refs get a massive salary bonus.

There are no meaningful reps that are NFL caliber that can happen outside of the NFL season. Making refs full time wont fix this.

None of the Lions fans are replying to you because they don't want to acknowledge that if 68 was called eligible he wouldn't have been so open.

Also the bad tripping call

​@lactoseintolerantgaming2711 its a 37m old comment an a video posted 1hr ago. Calm down there buddy.

⁠@@lactoseintolerantgaming2711ok if they cover the route, and they lose no one cares. We don’t know how it goes because you never know what happens. He could get covered and still catch the ball.

Regardless of what number was called over the loudspeaker, the formation clearly showed that 68 was eligible. They're pros they should be able to read an offensive formation and at the very least know who is an eligible receiver.

Because it's fixed

@@prettyrickystarchild307 i believe it more and more every year

@@johndreyer9730 they don't even hide it good anymore

@@prettyrickystarchild307 facts

Online betting, the simple answer.

Them boys worried about Cancun already

The ref knew what he did as he did it. This was intentional. I don't care what anyone says. The way he smirked at the end said everything

😂😂😂 did 3 other linemen go over to act like they were reporting to confuse him with you?

@@JonDough-ux9juMaybe the ref should be a dishwasher since reporting seems to hard for him.

There was a flag on that play regardless the refs just called it wrong. There should have been an illegal formation called because 68 was in the tackle spot and 5 lineman can’t be eligible for a pass

It's "almost" suspicious, because it's blatant. There are definitely some Vegas plays. The mob / mafia no longer exists, you know. CIA and FBI got rid of them in the sixties ;)

Do you think you'd get a better standard of referee? If they were forced full time, then you'd push out some and the referee's association would have demands to preserve the jobs of it's members and then you'd have the Angel Hernandez situation.

@har234908234 you wouldn't always have a better standard of refereeing, that can never be promised. There'd be far greater accountability though, and it's more than likely that the standard would go north instead of south.

All by design

Watch McAfee's discussion about his idea for how the whole thing could be structured.....it is brilliant & is precisely how it should be done. It would absolutely result in a clear & tangible improvement to the overall quality of the officiating, as they would be held to a higher standard, they would be more thoroughly trained, they would improve through this year-round training & it would ensure that the officials that are performing at the highest standards are in charge in the most important games, while those that are underperformed are demoted. Essentially it would work the same way a football team does, with the best refs as starters, working their way up (or down) from chain gang to linesman to head officials based on performance, which would be evaluated much more carefully. Most importantly, it would instill a much greater degree of confidence from the fans, as there would be very clear & obvious immediate consequences for officials that make obvious mistakes, unlike now, where they can do something like Brad Allen did & then be in charge of officiating the most important must-win game of a team's entire season (as in the case of Allen & the Steelers) the very next week. The whole system will almost certainly have to change & I would be shocked if something similar to the plan spelled out by McAfee isn't implemented by the off-season following next year's games.

I completely agree. The lions were definitely part of the problem.

#70 Dan Skipper played 2 snaps on Saturday. 2.

@@SiberianSneaks Exactly. One in the first quarter and then the 2pt conversion...

It doesn’t even matter. The fact that the ref can just say that, and that’s that is the problem.

@@danlayne9436it pisses me off more that he only played 2 snaps. If he played 20-30 snaps and was reporting eligible all game, maybe I could see some confusion. BUT TWO SNAPS?!?!

There's not really an excuse, allen fucked up. He knows it, everyone knows it. After the fact, he was faced with what does he screw up? Does he rob the cowboys or rob the lions? I think when you have to screw one team over, the best case scenario is to let it play again.

Their observing strategy missed some egregious calls though. The blatant roughing the kicker should of been called against Michigan, late hit out of bounds on McCarthy by Alabama, horse collar tackle by Alabama on UM reciever Morris td. I'm sure there were others. However, other than those, it felt pretty fair by the refs.

I thought the same thing. Let the Fing guys play. Games last night where awesome

Ruffing the kicker…

@@hangontravellers2584agreed

I found it infuriating. Almost every play that had more than a 5 yard gain had some obvious holding.

Refs should 100% be at practices, that makes so much sense. The more opportunities they have to observe reps and make calls up close, the better. Higher pay and full-time benefits would raise the standard and attract better candidates for the job. I’d suggest that the refs rotate between different teams practices throughout the season to avoid biases.

@@JBtakes side rule, you do not ref teams you practice with. no "home field" refs

So when bad calls still occur, what happens then? Multimillion dollar professional players and coaches screw up their jobs all the time in games. Why do we assume this will be any different?

@@hawkthorn33 Anything to get the refs involved with practice and prevent any biases is a good idea to me👍

@@JBtakes why do the refs need to be involved in practices

They did everything they were supposed to do the ref fucked up and instead of coming out and saying it they lying that’s all. Decker would of gave the play away with the extra crap

Bro they got a play too do they ain’t focused on no damn PA you ever been in a game situation like that?

Campbell couldn't hear the announcement it was so loud, he said it in post game presser

​@@REVBomB1Exactly a trick play=deception or it wouldn't be a trick in first place

@@REVBomB1 I agree, they did nothing wrong. I'm arguing they should've done more. The play is "given away" by a lineman reporting as eligible... That's kind of the whole point... To give the defense a chance to know who they need to cover...

Or we need to fire bad referees. Not sure if the NFL referees have a union and whether referees can be fired for poor performance (unfortunately we know MLB umpires cannot be fired for poor performance)

As if thats the solution....so you want them dedicated to cheating full time?

Yep. Have them train in the offseason, go over tape during every week between games, identify their mistakes and figure out where they need to improve. Can’t believe it hasn’t happened by this point.

Not only full time refs we need less refs

There should be a maximum of 4 refs in the game

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 but then they won’t have an excuse when they cheat silly. 🙄duhhhh

@@jackhenry290 Lol true but you gotta understand from the leagues perspective. If your point is the only one that makes sense these days, which your point is outright corruption and I don’t disagree, it’s tough for the league. They either admit that or go back into comical denial. And while I laugh for weeks at some excuses, these men break their body for the sport and opportunity and it’s unfair to them while we laugh our asses off at the obvious corruption.

@@jackhenry290 it’s the easiest excuse in the books lol “the problem is that are refs (employees) are incompetent and we are doing everything in our power to fix that” sounds good on paper but nothing changes

Your an idiot. Campbell himself said the usual protocol was followed which is that the refs who will be working your sideline comes to the pregame meeting and likewise for the refs on the other side who go to the other team's meeting. Then the refs from both sides relay any pertinent information to the head ref. That is how it usually works at least according to Dan Campbell.

The ref will never be fired because theres just told what to do by the owners and Vegas. The games are %100 scripted it's all about the money.

Or he got paid off to cheat 😂😂😂😂

@@jjwolfpack5076And don't forget about the aliens in area 51.

The lie is worse than the truth

@@gregkleinfall1901 it's a fact the the NFL is under entertainment corporations like the WWE not a sport why? Because they can script all the games without being sued . Look it up .

Kinda this too, however things we're going fast and I don't believe they had a time out. Lions should've realized, but also they shouldn't have to.

200k to 400k a year, the refs are fine.

Very hard obviously

Nobody cares about that. Wheres Detroits outrage for that. Man I'm not trying to hear that. Karma just corrected what was supposed to be. Cry me a river

After the tripping call they had the opportunity to drain the clock but chose to go for a touchdown throwing a go route out of bounds and stopping the clock. They would have easily gotten a first down and been able to take knees if they ran all 3 downs or went for short passes, or at the least given the ball back to the lions with less than a minute left instead of almost 2. Thats on McCarthy being an idiot not due to the questionable tripping call.

There was literally no tripping on Detroit. That's a false narrative. Look for a video, there isn't one.

Point taken, but not entirely accurate. The penalty occurred on the right side of the two minute warning on first down, so Dallas would have had 1st and 10 at the Detroit 14 instead of 1st and 25 at the 44. It would have been a Dallas first down right at the two minute warning with Detroit having two timeouts to stop the clock either way. They would have still needed a first down to kill the game off, albeit in a more advantageous position than what ultimately happened. Knowing McCarthy and his lack of time management skills he may have very well called a passing play on second down if Pollard -- who had been bottled up all night -- doesn't gain more than a yard or two on first down. It could very easily have played out similarly to what happened, just with Pollard runs on first and third down instead of short passes to Lamb and Ferguson, and Aubrey would have kicked from 25-30 instead of 43. We won't ever know what would have happened if that call was made correctly (as is the case any other bad or missed call these incompetent refs made), but we do know it wouldn't have effectively ended the game.

It’s called gamesmanship. The whole point is deception for the defense. Saying it’s Detroit’s fault in any way when they did everything they needed to do exactly right and the referee just can’t do the easiest part of his job is completely asinine.

It’s not rigged the refs are just ass

You think billionaires that rig economys and wars wouldn't rig the sport league they own??? poor judgment on you're end.​@@gradyjones7017

Yeah I agree. But I do know the idea is a viewer and refs can see a number and know is that a skill position or not. However viewers don't know that mostly. So if it's a legal formation and there is no illegal man down field then it should be fine. Players should be able to tell who is and isn't eligible as should refs. But refs are a joke. They don't call obviously penalties they do call phantom penalties. I don't expect perfection but they have shown me that expecting mediocrity was too much. Ultimately I think the less rules that have to be called the better. Why aren't we using robots for false start, illegal formations, offsides, or if a catch is made? They can literally do it in a matter of milliseconds after the play. And have refs to override if the AI made a clear mistake. Little bit of a tangent but ultimately, there are a lot of things that could be replaced and work better.

That is horrible. So no more Jumbo Packages? No more Goal-Line formations? No more Extra Blockers? You want WRs blocking on Field Goal and XP attempts?

​@@marvinmange4805 What I'm saying is you have to have 5 lineman, 2 on each side of the center and everyone else is an eligible receiver, I don't care what number they wear. All 11 people on the field can be "lineman" but only 5 of them are eligible receivers.

The entire purpose of the eligible numbers is to make it easier to ensure eligibility. You had the play in High School, in California, where the snapper caught the ball on an errant PAT attempt. The snapper was wearing number 2, an eligible number, but ineligible by position. We have 22 players to account for and 7 officials if we are lucky.

Make it even easier. Eligible # AND eligible by position. Get rid of reporting all together. The NFL is the only level that has it.

It's also karma for the poor sportsmanship involved in trying to trick Dallas into thinking #70 was the one reporting eligible, subverting the whole reason why the rule about reporting exists in the first place. They got what they deserved.

Crazy bro I literally just posted “Nobody brings up the tripping call though? LIONS SHOULDVE LOST “

The refs did get this call wrong, but not in the way you think. Hutchison does look like he's trying to trip Pollard, but fails to make any contact. There is no penalty for Intent to trip. The way the refs screwed this up is by announcing the wrong number, where the trip happens is on the far hash mark when Lion DE John Cominsky trips over the feet/legs of Cowboys RG Zack Martin. Weakass call to mark that a penalty, but that's where it actually happens.

On the bomb touchdown to Lamb the refs missed a holding call on Dallas. Your turn

@@fmrhkyfan There's a difference in not calling a holding call that probably happens every passing play and calling a 15 yard tripping penalty on the wrong team. 1st down at the 11 or 12 with less than 2 minutes would have ran the ball over throwing every play because it's 1st and 25 from the 45.

you're really reaching!@@user-um7qb8bb5f

@@Kevin_OU_007 Weren't they initially on the 23? If so wouldn't that have put the 15 yard penalty then put Dallas on the 6? Far cry from 1st and goal. Than 2nd and 25 from the 38.

Yup....refs got it wrong.

Totally!

💯

Also, if the tripping call was called on the correct player, the cowboys would've had the ball around the 11 or 10 with a first down (the penalty yards get added after the play which means it would've been added after the tony Pollard run. At that point more time is wasted and/or the cowboys score a TD (or worst case kick a field goal). At that point, the lions would've realistically had only about 30-40 seconds. This is also assuming Dallas didn't just run out the clock and win that game that way.

​@@Achilles217THIS^ ...logic

Everyone hates Dallas, and it's mostly cause of the fans 😂 stay salty

It's been mentioned quite a bit, and is posted ALL over every comment section. It's just another side note that actually supports the whole entire point which is inept officiating.

EXACTLY! Go Cowboys!

@@technomage6736It’s not a side note. If that BOGUS call doesn’t happen, the game is over right there and y’all wouldn’t even be boo-hooing over the LIONS getting “screwed”.

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So the tripping penalty HAD to be called?

Dallas was favored by 6 so either way the Lions covered the spread if you bet on them. Had no bearing on Vegas.

@@charleychambers6317 Covered spread but nobody hit ML alot of money was on lions straight uo

What about the pi that wasnt called on the cowboys before that?

Hutchison does look like he's trying to trip Pollard, but fails to make any contact. There is no penalty for Intent to trip. The way the refs screwed this up is by announcing the wrong number, where the trip happens is on the far hash mark when Lion DE John Cominsky trips over the feet/legs of Cowboys RG Zack Martin. Weakass call to mark that a penalty, but that's where it actually happens.

This argument is useless, if a QB waits a half second before the ball is snapped on any of the 150 plays before this it changes everything along with a billion other things that could have changed the entire game.

I missed call is not even close to the same as blowing a call like this and reversing the outcome of a game because the ref made a mistake

@@willfitz777​​⁠It’s a perfectly good argument. There was a blatant tripping penalty that was called on the wrong team which would have ended the game. By your logic the eligibility play in question doesn’t matter then. It’s just another play…

​@@willfitz777it would've given Dallas an automatic 1st down around the 10 yard line. If there's no call, it's 2nd and 2 around the 20. Instead, it's 1st and 25 from the 44.

Same thing for the penalty on the Lions that was actually a Prescott grounding throw.

I thought they had lmao 🤯

They get paid, a lot, they ARE pros. What they aren't is full time, NFL only refs.

NO

Yes. Piss poor officiating ruins the game, regardless of who you root for

Mike McCarthy not running the ball to kill the clock and basically repeating the Jax meltdown from last year happened. So, yeah I was outraged.

NOPE, because Dallas has been truly hosed in past games with TD's taken away ect....and media and all masses just mocked, laughed and said get over it. No national outrage when bad calls against Dallas. People make a living off slandering Dak and the Cowboys constantly .

@@jackfeltmeyer6764stop lying, you don’t give a 💩 unless it happens to your team

How Aiden trip Pollard when he wasn't even the one who made the tackle on the play? He never touched him

​@Aaron-kj8dv look at the film

​@Aaron-kj8dv aiden tried to trip pollard when he ran pass him bit missed I stead the called tripping on hendershot which was penalty on dallas even though aiden missed it caused cowboys yards and protenally running out the clock but what I'm saying theater's screwd that call too

Refs

Not everyone in the heat of the moment hears the pa announcement. You don't hear things down there

Because the stadium is loud while Cowboys are on defense. This isn’t a new concept; teams do it all the time.

The referee, didn’t tell the crowd. But he DID tell the defensive captain because he has to. You can’t surprise a defence so I think both 68 and 70 reported, but not clearly enough. Because you can’t surprise the defence, 68 should have made sure the ref, who was looking right at him, heard him. Both 68, and the referee screwed up.

@@Blt-rr2lm If 70 did report, it was an illegal formation. That was a pre-snap penalty and should of been called and not illegal touching, because the play is dead at the snap.

illegal formations playout all the time, I have never seen an illegal formation blown dead before the snap. They also stated that 2 flags were thrown one for illegal formation and one for illegal touching.@@jdy14

Game Clock is stopped, but the Play Clock was running. ;)

@@marvinmange4805 no it wasn't. Play clock didn't start until the center touched the ball

@@philoneussquire3877 I stand corrected. But that actually makes it even worse. That means that the Lions had even *more* time to correct the Refs tho. The time before they play and an additional 25 seconds. :(

@@marvinmange4805 I see your point although it I don't think its the job of the players to correct referee mistakes

It's all over the Internet. :)

So then you could easily link it?@@marvinmange4805

Exactly, no one wants to hold Campbell’s feet to the fire for being an arrogant moron and ACTUALLY losing them the game. Oh and Goff for being his choke-artist self🤦🏻‍♂️😂

What he said has been misinterpreted as him saying there were two other penalties on the play by the Lions. He DID say that, but he meant that ALL THREE were dependent on 68 being ineligible. So it was either no penalty, or take your pick of 3.

Not exactly, if you are ineligible you must be covered, not the other way around

His explanation ruined so many people’s understanding of what happened it’s annoying because people actually think a play they literally went over with the refs before the game was somehow an illegal formation. The fact that it’s only illegal if 68 didn’t report makes it even more obvious this is completely Brad Allen’s fault because if the other actually refs actually thought 70 was eligible they would’ve thrown the flag at the snap

@@XanielMarinoall of what you say doesn’t matter BECAUSE Dallas was told #70 was eligible. Therefore the pass completed to #68 was to an ineligible receiver. That’s the bottom line so stop your whining and bias complaining.

​@@Redwhiteblue-gr5emwhoa.. ease up on the testosterone, champ.

Granted we don't know what was said. It's possible they informed both of them were reporting (as Dan said both were supposed to report as eligiblde), and #68 said both him and #70 were reporting, and he misheard and heard #70 only reporting as eligible? I can't imagine he was intentionally this blatant.

You can see the official is looking at #70 and points to him, acknowledging him.

I would have rather lost from a tripping penalty.

I'd rather the refs pay attention to who is actually declaring as eligible and not guess at it.

@@adrienspaceage1619 agreed. And id rather teams not try to cheat and make it clear they are following the rules. Detroit ran a trick play on the refs and it worked. And once the refs announced it was 70 that was eligible on the stadium tannoy it was unfair to Dallas. Detroit could have stopped on a non timed play and made the correction. They did not.

@@godlikemonolith better keep and eye on the Ravens game this weekend, Brad Allen might get confused announce Skipper as eligible

@@BTPPR or the Ravens wont try to cheat and fool the referees and make sure the right player gets reported as per the rules.

Detroit fans & haters don’t want the truth and accountability

If I was a coach that is how I would do it...every single play

Did 3 people report @ the same time?

They are as long as it is both declared and reported.

I’d much rather lose that way knowing we ran the play and it didn’t work than to leave it to the refs. 😊

@@alexantunez8661 Well, sure.

I don’t think you know what the word “literally” means, genius

@@Reggie99119 An automatic first down after the lions already burned a timeout. Kneel the ball and GG. But go on fn

​@@nqtebobExactly. Period.

If Ceedee Lamb didn’t fumble out of the end zone it wouldn’t matter.

That is very plausible

That is something us Lion fans and Cowboy fans could actually agree on

Just pissed me off as a Lions fan there trying to blame the players then the coach makes it that much worse

In hockey we call those,”make up calls”.

@@moonglow630baseball too

because that doesn't fit the narrative. People need an excuse to believe the lions were cheated because goddess forbid teams are held accountable anymore for losing.

This.

@@duelist301💯The Lions have always been, and will always be, a poverty franchise. Nothing else to do but pity them I guess. They were lucky to not get trounced by the Cowboys.

What a moronic statement 😂 in multiple ways 🤣 imagine someone you work with asks you to cover one of their shifts. You both go to the manager together and ask if that’s ok. He nods yes and waves you off. So you do the shift, then when it’s payday, the money from covering that shift isn’t on there. You go to the manager and ask why you didn’t get paid, and he tells you you that unapproved shifts don’t get paid, and on top of that he gives you a write-up…. even though you clearly asked him, and he obviously approved of it with the nod. Then he doubles down and says that you asked him if a different person who was standing on the other side of the room was the one who would be covering the shift, not you, even though you were the one asking. 😂 I guess that would be 100% your fault, huh? I guess you deserve the write-up, and don’t deserve to get paid even though it was your manager’s incompetence that was the problem.

68 was covered by the receiver, so wasn’t an eligible receiver on the play.

@@dr.markevers8331 the line is the 2, and Reynolds is lined up well behind the 3. Decker is considered to be on the line. It just looks off because is Reynolds is lined up close to Decker. If Reynolds were down below the numbers you wouldn't think Decker was covered. The player who is more questionable is actually St Brown at the top. He's just in front of the 3, so a little off the line, but he's supposed to be on. The ref said he was okay though.