What Robert E. Lee Thinks Of Black Soldiers? 

If those blacks could read and write, they would have wanted to become writers too.

Nathan Bedford Forrest's body guards were BLACK Confederates. He did not have the elite officer attitude because he was not a graduate of West Point. R.E. Lee was former Headmaster of West Point. Some of Gen. Nat's white troopers were more afraid of him than they were of the Yankees. Lee was the commander of the Army of Northern Virginia. Forrest was in the Army of Tennessee, and not of the Virginia elite class. Government is controlled by those with power. The Civil War was also known as "The Rich Man's War". There were several races and ethnic groups that served for the Confederacy. The victorious wrote the history, and wanted people world wide to believe that it was all about slavery and nothing else. ie: Russia vs. Ukraine

@@TheGuitarReb Interesting. But Nathan Bedford Forrest went on to become a founder of the KKK, of the Night Riders, to spread terror and keep blacks down and cringing after the Civil War. NBF was brutal. Lee preached graciousness...

That didn't stop the individual states from employing them, which they did. The Confederate national government didn't control the Southern states like the Union's federal government.

@@les3449 True that. The South was represented on the field of battle by the CSA forces (Confederate States of America) which we are all familiar with, but also the PAOV (Provisional Army of Virginia) and other groups which had separate command structures. Jefferson Davis tried the duration of the wary to introduce more efficient command structures, but the South was always behind the Union in that respect.

@@pimpompoom93726 OK, but I was referring to the individual states which had a lot of control over their own regiments as opposed to the Confederate national government. I don't necessarily agree with your assessment about Confederate command structure since most of the Confederate commanders AND president were USMA graduates. Their armies structure was a product of West Point just like their Union counterparts. And those states allowed various regiments to field armed Black companies of combat troops early in the war. I believe as the war went on those Black troops integrated into the white units and all Black units were disbanded, probably due, at least in part, to a constant shortage of stands of arms (musket, bayonet, cartridge box and cap box) which would obviously go to White units first. There ARE records of Black soldiers being armed in White units. Don't forget though, a soldier is still a soldier if he is in a support role as armies ALWAYS have more troops in combat support than in actual combat. When I was in the Army it was calculated that there were seven support troops for every combat soldier.

Thank you!

More like William Anderson, Stonewall Jackson was a Christian Zealot or it may have been Union Gen. Phillip Sheridan killing Indians.

The early and often overlooked existence of graffiti 😂!

Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson was a religious fanatic and would NEVER utter such non-sense! He did however take his school cadets, arm them and send them into battle because "God told him to" I'm so glad I did not live in those times and my child was not one of his cadet's.

​@TheGuitarReb The Cadets fought at the Battle of New Market in April of 1864. Stonewall Jackson died on May 2, 1863. Breckinridge who was the youngest Vice President to Serve in the Office was the General that reluctantly sent the VMI Cadets to plug the line at the Battle of New Market. The Cadets themselves decided to Charge across a muddy freshly plowed field. Their shoes got stuck in the mud. They changed a Artillery Battery that was hitting the Confederate Line's. They caused the Union Retreat and the Confederates won the Battle. The Battle of New Market is a story of Honor and Bravery. The Fallen Cadets are Honored every year at the VMI.

Real Talk...

Fear of a punishment worst than death is one of them.

Very few did. But you have to remember that these weren't people with free access to information. They couldn't get a copy of the emancipation proclamation, read it and know what it meant. That said, it's 2024. I'm African American as well. I don't understand why so many of my people sell drugs to our own community, rob and loot our own stores, kill our own children, rape our own women etc. I personally know someone in the hospital shot by a stray bullet for what?

If a slave didn't have the full information of what's going on it could have been enticing to some of them. Information moved slower back in the 1800s and if you were a slave and presented with an opportunity for you and your family to be free by enlisting with the Confederacy, it might seem enticing to join if you didn't have awareness of the war dynamics where the Confederacy was struggling and about to be defeated. The Juneteenth celebration is actually a observance of slaves in Texas finding out they were free more than 2 months after the Civil War ended. Despite moving slower back then, information did get out which is why very few slaves took the bait to join the Confederacy

Lincoln's biological father was a half-breed Indian by the name of Abraham Enloe. His step father was Tom Lincoln, a near-do-well drunkard.

That’s right.

Lincoln stated the Case for Seperation that Elijah Muhammad made..and Minister Farrakhan made in a Speech last Week...

@@claudefields5941 NOTHING...nothing at all wrong black living among black. Racial identity is god's will. HE made different races and intended each respective race to live among their *own* ppl. No genius is needed to see this. This forced integration system has been a complete catastrophe.

Folk’s Lincoln was talking to people that had just been freed I guess and 3/4 couldn’t read or write, because they had been slaves all their lives. Suddenly they are free and dropped off, and most just went back to farming or menial labor.?

Most Politicians are the same but they practice to deceive the ignorant masses by obfuscation and PR sound bites or accusations aided by a Bias media who refuse to call them on falsehoods.

Oh my God the first dude spent 4 and 1/2 minutes trying to start to get to the point LOL..

Just what I was thinking.. What the hell is he talking about??😂😂

They sound quite stately improper. More importantly, intelligent.

Orwell's 1984 was ultimately about the destruction of the English language, which is proceeding apace. It's destruction is one of the larger reasons civil discourse is collapsing.

That's because they did little to nothing else but read and write all day. Today, we're bombarded with many activities and media platforms. A 24 hour day appears miniscule at best.

You said it! Jeezus H. Christ! Get to the point and STFU.🤣

No.

Wrong.

You're right on both counts.

@@k1ll3rzombii it is you and LawrenceRoss1906 that are wrong.

​@@les3449some people as above still believe high school history and take it as truth. They lack initiative to go outside what they have learned. People who follow blindly are ignorant.

I thought the same thing.

He was" Bill Murray 's" great grandfather " Ellijah, funny man." Murray!

Especially, nowadays

You mean Fox and Newsmax? You got that right!

@@Sunbeard.9 no, we mean lying CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, the Washington post, NY times, daily news

It's not which news agency broach the topic but more so the equality of the factual answer. Ask yourself is democracy for the few or the many? If answered for that point primarily no further answers are required

@@twain2square436 wrong, wrong!-- the media is untruthful with an agenda purposely slanted to the far left, this has been going on for years, they must just report the facts, NO personal opinions

Yes, the slaves in Haiti slaughtered 25000 whites in a few days and repelled several European attempts to re enslave them--Haiti was a nightmare for the US South--a remainder that some of the violence and death they meted out to the enslaved people might come back on the oppressors.

So Lee's opinion was to use Black troops before the Federal government did. He never said "Kill them all" as your race baiting, inflammatory, bigoted title implies.

My guess would be the letter was written sometime during '42 - '43, by which time the war had become, to a degree, a war of attritional mass, and the South's position increasingly desperate.

Lee's reply was 11 Jan. 1865, rather late in the War. Hunter's letter was 7 Jan. 1865. Rather too late to change the outcome of the war.

@@georgefitzhugh5408 Indeed. Still found it interesting that they did in fact start to raise units with slaves a couple of months afterwards

@@georgefitzhugh5408 Yeah, seems pretty delusional to be talking of such things so late. Anyway, apparently I was way off... Glad I stated clearly it was a guess!

This video proves 2 important facts. First, holding on to slavery was the cause of the South losing. England and France would have rushed too help the South if they gradually emancipated the slaves. The second is that Lee wanted to fight for slavery, which he did not. Lee’s opinion of the fighting abilities of black troops is far beyond both the American Armies of Ww1 and Ww2.

Yes, it is.

A TOTAL LIE!!!!GENERAL LEE…ONE MOST HUMBLE AND GOD FEARING MAN..IN USA HISTORY..READ THE PATRIOTS BIBLE…ABSOLUTELY TRUE-UNLIKE THIS MALARKEY FROM HELL.DR.BRYANT LANE ORDAINED MINISTER 41 YEARS AND NOVICE BUT SERIOUS HISTORY BUFF…CALLED RESEARCH AND THINKING THROUGH THE FACTS…FACTS ARE STUBBORN THINGS AND CANNOT BE CHANGED.

How do you kno was you alive back than hell we All just go by what we read

You say the title is a lie, So Robert E. Lee didn't "think" anything about Black people at all?

Please reference the opinions of black soldiers during later wars. In fact, blacks were not even allowed to fight at the beginning of WW1. They were thought to be incapable. The French asked for our black troops and were given 2 battalions. These two battalions were feared by the Germans and the most decorated units of the war

Did he really say that or was that Tom Berringer?

@@dinahnicest6525 He said it.

It may have been dying in the western world, but not in the American South. Not even close.

Lee was a slave owner who fought to preserve slavery. He was NOT the anti-Hitler German general .

Isn't it always the case?

Slavery was not even close to dying in the US. It was becoming more profitable. Why the South seceded and went to war.

The north had factory slaves

Probably one of thee most ignorant comments I have ever read on here. Congratulations. You must be miserable.

I don’t know where the source is from, but I do know that what is being attributed to Lee in this video is false. This letter is actually from Confederate General Pat Cleburne…not Lee. Jefferson Davis and the Confederate administration did receive the letter, and they were so upset with the suggestion that Davis tabled the idea and never brought it up for debate.

Brown murdered blacks who refused to help him.

Good one

Don't forget WWI, where more hundreds of thousands of black Americans volunteered to risk their lives serving their nation in the highest regard that any man may serve. But that was for a different country, wasn't it? This context is the Civil War. For the sake of argument, I'll concede you all you said about Forrest, if you concede that he was the anomaly, the exception. That if Forrest was one out of 100, the other 99 wouldn't dream of arming slaves and would publicly thump the melon of any white man that suggested it. Agreed? I'll assume yes. You forgot one aspect in your last offering of why many black men put the uniform on for WWI and WWII. Equality. They took the same risks as the white man so that they may draw up to equality with the white man, especially in the eyes of the government which called for men in the first place. This is where your Forrest example gets benched. The institution of slavery had a solid foundation of inequality supporting it. Forrest trusted his men enough to arm them, but most of the confederacy saw blacks as inferior. A slightly smaller number than most thought arming negroes would give them opportunity to rebel and fight for their freedom, as had happened in Haiti and with Nat Turner. Then there's the other factor. You guessed around 18,000 black men served the confederacy directly. While I think this number an over estimation, I'll use it nonetheless and ask you: why did more than ten times that number volunteer for service in the Union Army? Countless numbers of them, lacking the trust of an N.B. Forrest, risked life and limb to escape the south specifically to join the Union army. Your answer to why blacks would fight for the confederacy is inaccurate and the inaccuracy shows your bias. Quite obviously it was not the only country they had. During the civil war the country was split in two, with one ersatz country seeking to maintain their status of slavery, while the other primary country sought to eliminate it. In a country that was eliminating slavery, service in that country's army seemed to offer 'equality'. In the post-war south, once confederates controlled their state governments, equality was the primary attribute they sought to deny emancipated blacks. The white supremacy embedded in your post was the main fuel for the segregation and second-class existence they put up with. They knew the 'whole nation' wasn't that way however and with each subsequent war they felt, 'maybe this time' risking all as soldiers do, will be enough to gain equality, not advantage, not better-than, not hand out and not affirmative action... just equality. After some 30,000 blacks gave their lives to save the nation; the fact that that same nation's military took 80+ years just to integrate its ranks, while the states and counties many of them called home still segregated, disenfranchised and frequently assaulted and murdered them, meant they still had some way to go.

You're a liar.

Answer this? Why did American Germans, kill German Germans.

Pro Nathan Bedford Forrest propanganda.

When asked why the South fought the Civil War, Forrest replied: "It was to keep our n*gg*rs". Also note Forrest founded the KKK.

Lol…Lee opposed slavery like I oppose barbecue.

That's not true. Actually Lee and his wife owned slaves. It is factual that Lee was brutal to his slaves. He speaks about Christianity but chose not to live by the word of God. He was everything but a gentleman or Christian.

What are you smoking?

​@@williamanderson1091Lee was a very good and intelligent man. He was imperfect. This was a system that all people were born into. Very few white people were slaveholders. A small wealthy population owned slaves. This was a brutal war. Following the war, The entire south lived in abject poverty until the end of WW2.

Lee had to be told by courts in 1857 and 1862 to give up his slaves. He also only considered arming blacks once he needed more troops than could be rounded up through conscription. He worked his slaves harder than normal, in the eyes of his fellow slaveowners.

I wouldn't say it's in decisive because how practical would it have turned out.. you really think at the end of the day you're going to get a large enough force of slaves to fight for themselves to continue to be slaves LOL

@@bronxbomerpito7286 They could have had a chance if they could have used the narrative of a controlled but expeditious transition from slavery with property and employment strategies and painted Lincoln and the north as unjust, unwarranted invaders. They were a separate culture and could have relied on theirhuman relationships. Neverforget many slave were the offspring of slave masters. The economics involved would have been enough to sustain them through a a controlled situation with far less lives and property losses than their lost cause of unjust opulence...

@@MacroX1231 LOL, many a slave were the offspring of slave masters?! Are you for real? They sold their little biracial kids all the time. SOLD THEM. Most of those mixed race people were not treated special and their white parentage was NOT acknowledged. They sometimes worked in the house or yard but they were still enslaved.

@@MacroX1231what? Many of the black soldiers who fought for the north had recently moved there from (you guessed it) the south, also why would they fight for being slowly integrated when Lincoln promised immediate freedom? Although Lincoln couldn’t start his plan

Thousands of slaves worked as laborers for the Confederate armies.

The channel stole the video, so do you think he would change the presentation.

@@STho205 how would I know he stole the video? I just commented that the thumbnail is a total lie.

@@MikePluto he didn't produce any of these videos. They are just reposted from documentaries produced years ago.

@@MikePluto so don't waste your breath. He did what he wanted to do, fully aware.

@@STho205 yeah, man…I didn’t know that. Sounded pretty polished work for the thumbnail though. Should have seen that as a red flag.

Ok? One of those fights to to own human beings against there will, basic thinking will bring you to this conclusion.

It was how cultured men of the south and even some in the north were expected to correspond at the time.

That'a what Lawyers do.

@@johngaither9263 Lee at least got TO THE POINT. This guy walked the fence so bad, to come down on the right side of an argument. Thing Lee was saying, was slavery was pretty much over, either us defending it or the north stopping it. But the south wasn't going to stop it, due they would have made peace at Hampton Rds.

More like shit bait and lost cause shit bait at that

No he wasnt

Fake

His letter speaks for itself. the woke crowd don't like it though.

BS!!!

Lies

this is a great post--the Emancipation Proclamation was indeed a serious document that was the beginning of the ending of the South. The only thing I would add is that it was also a PR move that linked the Union to Abolition and made the European supporters of the CSA. like the UK, drop their support as the UK was anti slavery.

Hilarious

Hilarious

Truth.💯

The Bible is not anti-slavery. Leviticus 25:44-46. Peter 2:18.

@@richardstephens5570 1 Peter 2:16 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 1 Corinthians 7:21 21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you-although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 1 Timothy 1:10 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine These verses tell immorality of slavery. The Bible is confusing because it conflicts itself, but these clearly state it’s wrong. Also the Bible says to treat slaves well, how did Lee and his peers in the south treat there slaves? With sexual abuse, branding and lynching any slave who dared escape?

A more accurate title for this video.

We aren't picking and choosing, we are commenting about the decisions that THEY made.

But if he treated his slaves like animals

Why are you lying for this old dead evil man?

If he was against it why did he treated his slaves like beasts?

@@Jean_Jacques148 He wasn't they want to try to re-write history.

Wrong. BS. No more than 30,000 African-Americans served in any positions within the CSA Army. By the Conscription Acts of 1862, they were limited to non-combatant roles. The CSA Congress did not pass a law allowing the recruiting of African-Americans for combat duty until January 1865. Only two companies were initially formed in Richmond. At their first drill, white women and children threw refuse at them. Both companies disappeared during the retreat to Appomattox. The non-combatant positions were some time filled by free men of color, but usually, especially teamsters hired by the CSA War Department, were slaves hired from their owners. (ie. the owners were paid, not the slaves). There were three major surrenders of Confederate armies during the war, and at Vicksburg and Appomattox, the number of slaves holding non-combatant positions did not exceed 22,000. There were a large number of fortifications built by slaves locally and temporarily hired from their owners. The states were restricted by the Militia Act of 1792 as amended and accepted as law by the CSA Congress to white males between 17 and 55. There were no Home Guard African-Americans because most were running away to the US Army by 1863. Over 150,000 African-Americans served as free men in the US Army, along with 50,000 serving as teamsters and in other non-combatant jobs. Over 30,000 served in the USN.

Difference is the Black slaves would shoot their commander and flee to the north for freedom.

My dude, the Bible is disgustingly pro-slavery. Of course a slaver like Jackson would want his slaves and neighbors' slaves to learn about the BibIe. It would make them more accepting of their lot in life. 1 Peter 2 - 18 "Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

It was cruel to not allow them to learn about God but it was o.k to keep them in slavery? I wonder what Jesus would say about that.

He still fought for the right to enslave and mistreat us.

0ookay.

Crutch? Kind of when the federal government comes in and makes the state governments do right and they start to scream and holler about "government overreach"?

Lee could not open a school for blacks before the 14th and 15th Amendments as it was Virginia law against educating slaves.

A school to keep us as slaves? how kind.

You need to use quotes or you are plagiarizing

Possibly more. Many Confederate records were lost.