What role do members have to play when loved ones leave? David Ostler with Melissa Inouye 

Thank you to Melissa Inouye for being a source of honesty and compassion for all, both in and out of the church. I hope to grow up to be like her.

I just listened to this again. This put things in perspective 💕 thank you for your testimony and thoughts and I hope I can implement this in my life to help others. ❤️🌞🌵

I've talked to five different Bishops over the years and NOT one of them had been given any training about how to talk to the youth about moral issues. This is a HUGE problem within the Church!!!!

I LOVE the idea of having "how to listen to those with doubts" as a sacrament meeting topic!

Control is an illusion can't do anything but set a good example try to be loving and understanding supportive then it's up to them to prayfully move forward

My wife (52)and I (55) left 4 months ago. It was a 2 year process of deep research, prayer and soul searching. Too much to cover here but, I can tell you that the history is deeply disturbing. Even just what the church admits in the essays on religion is disturbing. This is stuff they said was anti rhetoric in the 80s and 90s. Now, they pretend it has always been fact that they embraced. With the “rest of the story”, the good feelings of the confirmation from the Holy Ghost have never been felt again. I didn’t think the HG could be deceived. Sadly after a lifetime of dedicated service and offerings, it is not true. In leaving, ward members we served side by side with who we considered our dearest friends have mostly forgotten us so quickly. One more confirmation that this is not God’s “true church”.

Regarding minute 11:15, some people are leaving the church because Joseph Smith was NOT a polygamist (which there are many good arguments for this, ie ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F5heXE5xS5w.html ), and he taught vehemently against it. This obviously causes a chain reaction because who was Brigham Young, Heber C Kimball, etc? But these same people still have a strong belief in God, and they believe the church has strayed from the Doctrine of Christ, ie receiving their Baptism of Fire & Baptism of the Holy Ghost. Ask a GA what this is or how they got it, and see what the answer is. If kids are leaving the church, the goal should at LEAST be for them to not leave God as well. We should all have truth be the goal. He's right that the info is out there, and we need to confront it. Members of the church become dogmatic to the point where they don't want to talk about it. David Ostler sounds like a man that is willing to have some of these tough conversations.

The morality of the leadership is vastly different from the members. The whitewashing and lack for transparency alongside distancing themselves from the issues [fair,apologist]

💭Quitting the Mormon Church In a local newspaper in Provo (Utah), there had been an ongoing series of articles written by individuals who wanted to persuade, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, commonly known as, the “Mormon church” to leave the Church. In response to the highly critical and spirited remarks, a local member wrote this rebuttal: “Editor: I have been thinking of quitting the Mormon Church. Yes, if I can, I am going to get even with that church. As soon as I can find another church that teaches about the Gathering of the House of Israel; the return of the Ten Tribes and their mission; the return of the Jews to Palestine and why, and how they are going to build the temple; the building of temples and what to do with them; the mission of Elias, the prophet, as predicted by Malachi; the method for the salvation of the people that died at the time of Noah in the flood; the origin of the American Indian; the complete explanation of why Jesus of Nazareth had to have a mortal mother but not a mortal father; the explanation of the three degrees of glory (three heavens) as mentioned by Paul; the complete explanation of why Elias and Moses did not die but had to be translated (since they both lived before the resurrection was introduced by Christ); the restoration of the gospel by modern revelation as promised by Peter and Paul and Jesus himself; the belief in eternal marriage and the family, and the knowledge and the place to seal for eternity; that teaches abstinence from all harmful drugs and foods ; and that sells the best fire insurance policy on earth, for the last days, for only a 10th of my income. Yes sir, as soon as I can find another church that teaches all that, or even half as much, I will say good-bye to this Mormon Church. The church that I am looking for must also be able to motivate 50,000+ youth, and adults, for the first, second or third time, to leave their homes for two years at their own expense and go to far-away places to teach and preach without salary. It must be able to call, on a frosty day, some 5 or 6 thousand professors, students, lawyers, doctors, judges, policemen, businessmen, housewives and children to go and pick apples at 6 am. It must be able to call meetings and get the attention for two hours of more than 150,000 men. Yes, it must also teach and show why salvation is assured for children who die before eight years of age. Mr. Editor, could you help me find a church that teaches all that and more than hundreds of other doctrines and principles, which I have no room to mention here, and which brings solace and comfort to the soul; peace, hope, and salvation to mankind, and above all, that answers the key questions that all the great philosophers have asked; questions and answers that explain the meaning of life, the purpose of death, suffering and pain; the absolute need for a Redeemer and the marvelous plan conceived by our Father and executed by Jesus Christ the Savior? Yes, as soon as I find another church that teaches that, and also that has the organization and the powers to make that teaching effective, I am going to quit the Mormon Church. For I should not tolerate that “they” should change a few words in the Book of Mormon-even if those changes simply improve the grammar and the syntax of the verses-for, after all, don’t you think the Divine Church should employ angels as bookmakers, and clerks, to do all the chores on earth? Don’t you think, Mr. Editor, that the Divine Church should also have prophets that don’t get sick and don’t get old and die, and certainly, that don’t make a goof here and there. No, sir! A Divine Church should be so divine that only perfect people should belong to it, and only perfect people should run it.As a matter of fact, the Church should be so perfect that it should not even be here on earth! So, I repeat, if any one of the kind readers of this imperfect letter knows
about another church that teaches and does as much for mankind as the Mormon Church, please let me know. And please do it soon, because my turn to go to the cannery is coming up. Also, “they” want my last son (the fifth one) to go away for two years and again, I have to pay for all that. And I also know that they expect me to go to the farm to prune trees, and I have heard that our ward is going to be divided again, and it is our side that must build the new chapel. And also, someone the other day had the gall of suggesting that my wife and I get ready to go on a second mission, and when you come back, they said, you can volunteer as a temple worker. Boy, these Mormons don’t leave you alone for a minute. And what do I get for all that, I asked? “Well,” they said, “for one, you can look forward to a funeral service at no charge!”… Do you think you can help me to find another church?💯♥️☮️Thomas D. Clark”