What's My Line? - Johnnie Ray (Aug 22, 1954) [W/ COMMERCIALS] 

WML NOT A TALK SHOW They had some extra time to kill😊

And what a beautiful baby he was.

😮😮😮

Although she was married to another man.

Wow!! Never heard that before. How did that information become known, and did Johnnie Ray or Dorothy Kilgallen ever admit he was the father of her youngest child?

Kerry. Dick - Dorothy’s husband was bisexual (she found out awkwardly) as was Johnnie.

Sad, how simple pleasures like the blanket toss can go so wrong. A kid in our neighborhood lost control of his sled & at the bottom of the hill, he slammed into a car's exhaust pipe & got a very serious head injury. It's a physical world though, so we're bound by the laws of physics.

Nothing on currently that even comes close. I LOVE these videos!

America was better Whlter.

Totally ..I practically fell over when I saw it up cloise.

Ed Miller It's amusing though, yeah?

That looks like the CBS EYE on her mask. Yes it's funny.

Everytime the camera was turned on her the audience cackled! There must have been a monitor they were watching.

I wasn’t either, and I am retired!

I just retired. Born in '57. I love these old, wonderful, cellphone-free days.

Dorothy & Johnny Rae have a baby together. It's weird to see him on the show

I have a Lady Remington shaver of that era and it still works! I also have my mom's 1952 Hamilton Beach mixer, another sponsor of this show... Also still works! Stuff was built to last back then

@@LazyIRanch They sure did build things to last in those days. I have an American Flyer train set, with some electrical accessories, from 1957, and all of it still works. And while they are not electrical or mechanical, the Revere Ware pots and pans that I got from my mother's kitchen after she passed away are in wonderful condition: they were made before I was born in 1951.

@@mikejschin I was born in the fifties and I still work. :)

@@stanmaxkolbe lol. So do I: even though I retired from paid employment 4 years ago, the wife makes sure I keep working around the house and yard. ;-)

@@mikejschin Yeah it will never end lol.

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According to Wikipedia, they may have actually had a child together.

@@sstavsky I don't know how that rumor got started. People are saying that Kerry was Johnny's son, despite him look exactly like Richard Kollmar.

I don't believe rumors- especially in Hollywood. There are too many false rumors that get spread about celebrities.

Dorothy wasn't having relations with her husband at this time due to his philandering. Kerry is Johnnie Ray's son. After Dorothy's death, Kolmer disowned Kerry, and he grew up in foster care.

That's sad. I wouldn't disown a child I'd raised no matter the origin of the genes.

Maybe the stamps were after her part of the process.

That's what she said.

Well, mistakenly. He was supposed to be introducing The Egyptian. The Robe came out the year prior to this show's air date.

She's not. Cerf is. But Dorothy is pretty sharp.

Actually, Dorothy Kilgallen, Arlene Francis, and Bennett Cerf are all very intelligent. Each one has his or her own expertise on different subjects so one time it will appear that one of them is smarter than the other two, and another time a different one will appear smarter than the other two.

Dorothy was a investigative reporter for years 😊

Yeah that's where I heard the name Dick Kollmar on Sirius/XM Radio Channel 148 Radio Classics; Boston Blackie.

Very close relationship I'd say. He's the father of Kerry🙄

Johnnie Ray is the father of rock-n-roll. He was the 1st singer to take the mic out of the stand. He was the 1st to move on stage, years before Elvis. Sinatra and Bennett, Elvis all called him the father of rock and roll. Jerry Lee Lewis knocked his piano bench back because he saw Johnnie do it. Johnnie refused to hide who he was and as a result his career fell in the US because he was bi-sexual. However in Europe he still packed houses. I saw him perform at the Dunes in Las Vegas in 1982 and he was magnificent.

Steve Burrus I sure most people reading that already know he wasn't but just in case, to set the story straight....no, he wasn't a "flash in the pan". Circumstances led to his popularity being shortened, yes....but he has a star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame, formed a bridge between the crooners and the rock n rollers and to this day, several decades after his immense popularity, his chapter in the history of pop music still endures.

Michelle Jollie Hear hear.

No flash in the pan

More than one panelist referred to (which could be interpreted as criticized or made fun of) the guest's weight - the panelists were not as cordial as one might have thought.

Boo on him.

70 years ago it wasnt an insult, but an observation 😊

@@robertjean5782 I'm not sure the Sticker took it as an "observation"

What about the song "Come on Eileen", by Dexy's Midnight Runners? The first line is, "🎶 Poor old Jonnie Ray 🎶".

@@shuroom57 That is why I am here. But Johnnie is a genius. Thanks Dexy's.

He also plays the cabdriver in the Billy Idol video "Don't Need a Gun..."

@@MrWitchman1967Thank you. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Nd_GRy8SKII.html

do you have a source material for this? how do you know? is there a complied list, or have you just been counting? thanks.

@@MathewRenfro I counted because I read so many comments with people asking those questions. I stopped somewhere about 1955.

Sal Bazaz Not for long

@Ed Miller JERK!

The Commissioner of Garbage line certainly made me laugh out loud! Very funny, Arlene!

Well, he WAS a CAPTAIN.

@Jayne Johansen - Sadly for him, Kerry in adulthood looks way too much like Dick Kollmar to even necessarily make him related to Dorothy. Plus I had read of her affair in the good biography of her by Lee Israel. I recall that her 3 year affair with Johnnie Ray was in the late 50s-early 60s and not as early as Kerry's birth.

lol I get it. I see you're a Dexys Midnight Runners' fan.

he sounded sad upon the radio

Wow! That line really sounded familiar, then I looked it up and there it was, "Come on Eileen"

Pooooor old Johnnieeee Rayyyyyyyy....(people in the US have no idea what we're on about ha ha!)

@@davidsanderson5918 Au contraire mon frere,back in the eighties the video was playing non stop on MTV, I never did get to meet Eileen, though.

I hate when they do that. So rude.

Being overweight was not common at the time.

Never mind it was a tougher time the way it should still be.

I agree, especially since she already seemed nervous to begin with.

@@xaviermcnutt5039 That's right. Kids in the 1950s participated in a lot of very strenuous sports instead of being lazy and just stay indoors playing games on their phones 📱. Nuclear families (1 husband, 1 wife, and the children) was the norm back then. As a result, the mother was able to make sure that her family 👪 ate very nutritious meals every day. Therefore, when the children grew up, it was ingrained in them to eat well and to get plenty of exercise. As a result, overweight people were not common.

I think ZIP Codes came about in the sixties?

Per Wikipedia: "The early history and context of postal codes began with postal district/zone numbers. The United States Post Office Department (USPOD) implemented postal zones for many large cities in 1943." The 22 mentioned is a zone number (or maybe a postal district - internet is unclear). Zip codes tended to incorporate those postal districts/zone numbers as the last two digits of the 5 digit zip code (ie, zone 6 became the terminal 06 in a zip code). Zip codes and the two letter state abbreviations were introduced in 1963. Some old movies, TV shows, TV ads, and print ads may include the zone number in a mailing address.

@@zekezacker9449 yes, growing up in a small burb of Cleveland, Ohio ; mail addressed to our home came with the 31. Cleveland 31, Ohio. Then when zip codes were presented in around 1963, our mailing addressed included the city we lived in with the zip code after the state. Independence, Ohio 44131

@Paul71H. Now, a lot of times the zip code will have a 4 digits extension.

@Justin Stewart I believe it was 1988, two years after her beloved Martin,, who gave it to her, had died that she was exiting a taxi and it was snatched from her neck while she was getting out in NYC. It probably hurt her more to lose it when Martin was no longer around, as it was a token of his love.

@Justin Stewart I think it is reported as she was exiting a taxicab, which would mean she was probably in that partially bent position as one moves from sitting on the backseat to standing on the sidewalk, so was most vulnerable to someone just grabbing the diamond heart and tugging it off.

She wears it on every show

Her earrings match the necklace and it now has a diamond hanging in the middle

@@jaynerosajohansen4864 Yes, she wore it on most shows. Not quite always, but she also had a slightly larger diamond heart that she wore a few times around her neck and a fair number of times on a diamond tennis bracelet on her right or left arm. The arm differed on different programs. Once I saw her with both on at the same time, which confirmed the existence of two. Then, of course, there were those little diamond heart earrings with the drop in the center that matched the heart she usually wore at her neck.

She committed adultery.

He pinged for me...

they were so refined on this show, but very blunt with heavy people. One woman came on and was very overweight and sold diet pills and they blatantly said, well I guess you don't take them. Very mean in front of an audience.

@@greneellen8 Yes, I saw that episode. Interestingly as a kid going to school in the 1960's we only had one or two what they called chubby kids.

Unfortunately the modern Remington shaver quality is gone. The company was bought by Victor Kiam because of the quality of the products. He even did their commercials for many years. After he died in 2001 the quality really dropped. I have owned several of their lady shavers. The ones made in the 1990s were excellent. The couple i bought this century are very cheap.

Remington 😮no longer exist

I don't think they'd met yet when this was filmed.

No, their son was several months old at this time.

And the father of Dorothys son Kerry

your dead on my friend. Johnny broke ground with his incredibly emotional style of singing. He was Elvis before Elvis and yet doesn't get the recognition that he rightly deserves. But of course his career was trashed because of the sex scandal that happened early on

Geez, has DeSantis already rolled out his revisionist American history education program? Rock n' roll was "fathered" by those who created, penned, and performed rhythm and blues. No credible music historian or scholar puts Ray anywhere near the top of that list. There are plenty of award-winning books and documentaries on rock and roll, where the people who created it tell you where it came from and who fathered it. None of these folks ever claimed that Johnnie Ray 'fathered' anything pertaining to rock and roll music.

@@waldolydecker8118To quote Wikipedia: "Ray has been cited by critics as a major precursor to what became rock and roll, for his jazz and blues-influenced music, and his animated stage personality. Tony Bennett called Ray the "father of rock and roll", and historians have noted him as a pioneering figure in the development of the genre."

@@rmelin13231Those pesky facts.

Is that why you can’t rid of them?

*an affair

My mouth just dropped open!

I knew about their affair, but while i watched this show, I thought maybe she was just seeing him for the first time. Did the rest of the show’s personalities KNOW about them?

If they were having an affair I hope they'd know each other really well lol

James Hepburn, good catch - sharp eyes! I think ambidexterous ability shows a very intelligent, creative brain! Johnnie's accomplishments were amazing: very early musical ability, piano playing, song composing, performing intense, entertaining shows...and actually doing this when he was almost completely deaf!

Mentioning being fat 70 years ago wasn't insulting, just an observation 😊

The spellchecker also made the mistake of putting "Ricky" instead of "Rick" after Rick Nelson signed in as "Rick Nelson." I noticed that too about Johnnie Ray.

This is one of a few misspellings of the nameplates for celebrity contestants over the years of What's My Line?

Ginny Lorenz Hahaha!!

Too much..funny

Elvis didn't invent it. He borrowed ideas.

Elvis was the guy who made it popular across all races.

Her youngest son, reportedly his, was less than a year old at this time of this episode.

And reportedly looks more like Johnnie than her husband Dick. I think all of her children are still alive.

The audio isn't real good on this episode.

It's true..

Where is this information from?

Mark Stewart He was a narcissistic egocentric man who, while very smart and talented looked down on others who weren't. He displayed the properties of one with an inferiority complex always needing to prove to others just how smart he was. He was a snob in general. Too bad since he was so very talented. A typical New York City celebrity who chose to forget that he wasn't always famous.

Ben is awesome

At that time there was a conclusive presumption that the child of a married woman was the child of her husband. Her lover boy had no legal responsibility.

She is lucky he did not divorce her. So if your wife had a child by another man, you would be okay with that?

When it came to love she wasn't very bright😊

Not cows, steers😊

I'm not entirely sure just what the relationship was between Dorothy Kilgallen and Johnnie Ray. They were close friends at the very least. But one thing that's part of the record is that Johnnie Ray was unquestionably gay and while homosexuality wasn't talked about in those days, apparently he never denied it when asked about it privately. So a lot of people in the entertainment industry knew it and his friends must have. Who knows whether Dorothy knew about him? I have the impression that she was conservative on a lot of issues, so it's possible the subject was never broached and if it was never discussed, she didn't have to worry about it. However, I have to wonder if it wasn't one of those very close friendships between a woman and a gay man that works so well because nothing sexual is ever an issue between them. As women I've known have observed, it's nice to go out and have a good time -- you can go dancing, to a show, the opera, etc., and when the evening is over, you say goodnight, having had a good time, and there are no "expectations" to worry about. It can work well for married women, too, especially if she and her husband don't enjoy going out together anymore and he's liberal enough to realize he has nothing whatever to worry about . . . .

On! I didn't know that. Thank you for making it clear for me.

Justine K Her son Kerry is purported to be Ray's son.

Oh! Really?!

I didn't notice so much til I read this....when Arlene guessed J. Ray the camera stayed on her only. Usually they pan to all 4 panelists..........trying to be polite?

A barge full of garbage😊

I have never seen a Baseball that was alive? Let's not talk about the skin that's stupid.

Hey! You know, we have this thing called the internet now, and it's awesome! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_Ray

Probaby before your time. Became popular before the era of "Rock and Roll" with a style of his own. With his good looks, surprising Johnny didn't have a wife. Sometimes he spelt his first name "Johnnie".

@ Weather: He was homosexual and never denied it. His relationship with Ms. Kilgallen remains an interesting point of discussion.

Steve Burrus I'm 35 and even I know who he was. Google it.

He never said fat😮

Sure did and her son looks just like him

Why?

It's said her youngest son may be his.

And her youngest son, reportedly Ray's son, was less than a year old at this time.

I wonder if the panelist and John knew about the baby.