What's My Line? - Vince Lombardi; Herb Alpert; PANEL: Sue Oakland, Tony Randall (Jan 22, 1967) 

Thanks for your service, soldier..

I would guess you no longer have the Lombardi Board Game. I don't know if it was a popular game, but today It probably would have some value - and what a great nostalgic item to own. Great story. Best Wishes to you.

Thank you for your service! Nice that you shared your memories too. 😊

​@@robertsprouse9282(Marine!)

Aritosthenes I think the sentiment was more about how clever Cerf was. Forget the 'genius' usage. I forgive the use of that one all the time.

Isn't it obvious, this show was totally rigged! Cerf gave it away when he claimed to know Lombardi was a sports figure, simply by the way the audience applauded.

@@michaelkelly3221 The loudest applause was men cheering. That means sports. If it was men whistling that means a glamour girl. If it's a loud cheer of everyone then it's a major star - John Wayne, Judy Garland, etc. If it's women cheering it's a male heartthrob - likely a singer but also a handsome movie star. If people are laughing it's a comedian. It's been 17 years of show. Arlene and Bennet know the audio clue of the audience.

@@geraldkatz7986 They also researched what prominent famous people were in town.

Or straight up greedy.

'Football isn't a "contact" sport. *Dancing* is a "contact" sport. Football is a collision sport.' Vince Lombardi

​@@57highlandFrank Gifford was the first to utter that phrase.

@@kevinmadden1645 Wow! I wouldn't have thunk it!

Baffling, isn't it? I don't think I've ever seen a RU-vid video with more than a few thousand views that didn't have downvotes. Just goes with the territory. But comments like yours more than make up for it!

Merrida100 Apparently hip-hop & rap fans.

Presumably the more views, the more likely a clip appears in the feeds of people using RU-vid. Of course not all those people will welcome something in black & white featuring people they don't know with music thry don't like.

Mostly people unhappy with their own lives and like to bring a bit of grief, however small, to RU-vid posters of good material.

There are always those who vote down because they can just to give a bad rating. It doesn’t matter if they really care about the video or not they hit down. They’re called mean people

That’s incredible!!

@@BrookeBullmasterStewart, that was on ABC in the '80's.

Yes, they are the triumvirate of guest panelists.

I like Tony. There was the Odd Couple episode where he and Oscar were guests on Password. It's a classic.

Tony was my favorite guest panelist.

From what I saw of him as a guest on some talk shows, I think he would be a lot of fun to be with at a party.

He was 31 here.

And a talented, gorgeous wife as well.

Not many people know it, but Alpert is the most wealthy man in the music biz. He out-banked Elvis, The Beatles, and Michael Jackson.

Jimmy Fallon's cousin?

Eleven years later, he had another number one hit with the instrumental "Rise," on of my favorite hits of the 70s.

1985OldSkool Joe Postove *More from Wikipedia:* " 'Rise' made Alpert the only artist ever to hit No. 1 on the Billboard Pop Singles chart with both a vocal piece and an instrumental piece." And a bit more about "This Guy's In Love With You," written by Burt Bacharach and Hal David (which I agree is a *great* song!) : . "Alpert sang it to his first wife in a 1968 CBS Television special titled Beat of the Brass. The sequence was filmed on the beach in Malibu. The song was not intended to be released, but after it was used in the television special, allegedly thousands of telephone calls to CBS asking about it convinced Alpert to release it as a single, two days after the show aired.[15] Although Alpert's vocal skills and range were limited, the song's unchallenging technical demands suited him.[16] The single debuted in May 1968, topped the national chart for four weeks and ranked among the year's biggest hits."

SaveThe TPC Both of them are great songs.

SaveThe TPC It is his vocal limitations, and his forthright sincerity that really comes through that makes it an everyman song. Better voices have sung "This Guy's In Love With You" but not even coming close to the true expression of HA.

My best love song choice too, but I never found out who the Guy was.

LOA1955 It's a wonderful thing, isn't it?! :-)

I think this same thing often. They were hilarious and so much fun. Tony Randall was a hoot and I really only knew him from the Odd Couple! He was so much more than that role! ❤️

So well said and so true.

Of all the DDot wannabees that they auditioned, I think I like her best, mainly because I can't stand Phyllis and Suzy doesn't turn my crank too much.

@@jethro1963, Sue turns my crank. I just made homemade ice cream..sorta

Robert Sprouse....gotcha 😏

@@robertsprouse9282 eww

​@@robertsprouse9282🤣

Who wasn't?

I think her music will make a comeback.

In love with her voice maybe, but her? I think Lani Hall would beg to differ.

Next to Chuck Knoll

Ken Henderson He was a singer, but at the time of this show, he had not yet started singing. About a year or so later.

Herb is, to my knowledge, the only person in the USA to have a number 1 instrumental and a number 1 vocal hit.

I'm 63 as of this writing, and I can say that is one of my all time favorite song...it's so intense...

Mine too. I love the unique time changes.

"This Guy's in Love with You" was released in April of 1968. This program aired in January of 1967.

Yes, he did.

yes among others

Superstar is right. I remember as a kid Casey Kasem saying that in 1966, Herb Alpert and the TJB sold more albums than the Beatles (this was in part because until Sgt Pepper's, younger people tended to buy 45 rpm singles rather than albums).

TJB recorded The Lonely Bull Spanish Flea Tijuana Taxi So many others I loved them at the time

@@lucyflorey9152, Mexican Shuffle, too, not to be confused with the Teaberry Shuffle..which used the same music for the ad.

+Unko Piko Just three years later, he learns he has terminal cancer.

+Grant Bewickne of the finest cancer clinics in USA is named for Vince Lombardi, it is in DC.

especially-with the "no kneelers". miss those respected days.

Soooo humble, too.

Don’t forget the carpenters, Joe cocker, Cat Stevens, and many others,

No past tense needed. Still live and blowing his trumpet! And doing shows before this pandemic.

His Wife is a beauty..

I am shocked. I thought Herb had Argentinian German roots as he looked hispanic with a Germanic sounding name. He is of Ukrainian and Romanian Jewish roots? I am shocked. However, many Ukrainians look hispanic or "native" American indian..

@@robertsprouse9282 Most of the Tijuana Bass members were Jewish. Alpert also co-founded A*M Records. I think he sold it to Sony, etc.

He had an amazing memory. He remembered every question and how it was put.

Great newscaster in his time..married to Earl Warren's daughter= ironic when you consider how Ms. Kilgallen probably met her fate..

@@robertsprouse9282 Hmmm.. Didn't know that factoid about JCD. That is ironic.

Meant to say “just found this ON Sue Oakland…”

epaddon Thanks for explaining that "positively last day" comment. I was wondering about that.

With one of, if not the worst, defenses in NFL history..37 points a game..worst..

@@michaelhasenstein7838, but in the NFL TITLEGAME ERA post-1932, the Pack under Lombardi the only ones to win three NFLs or NFCs in a row= '65-67..

After Lombardi had been in GB a few years, the Giants tried to hire him back but it didn't happen. Some of Lombardi's quotes on the matter: "I think I'd be leaving in bad taste out here (meaning Green Bay)", and "As much as I'd like to come to the Giants, I've made a commitment out here". Imagine Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Rick Pitino or Larry Brown saying something like that.

That's because they put two and two together with the audience reaction and the fact that the championship was just the week prior.

@@chrisgast, in most of the 60's GREEN BAY was Pro Football..Just as the Browns and Lions were the sport in a lot of the '50's..with a little Rams and Colts thrown in. Green Bay won FIVE NFL titles, and the first two SBOWLS= from '60-68, with the only three seasons they did not win involving: 1.the new experience of that bunch of Packers being in their first championship game= vs. Philly, 2. Paul Hornung suspended for gambling, and 3. The Packers trying to get him back to snuff while they had a big injury year. After that, it was three NFL CROWNS IN A ROW the very first time in the championship game era that the threepeat happened, with none since, nor in GREEN BAY's NFC(post 1969) has it ever happened, and when Lombardi quit, they were never the same machine. He was so good that Washington his one year there had their first winning season in TWELVE YEARS.. The only other time a threepeat happened in the NFL(NFC) was Curly Lambeau's late 20's PACKERS who won by the best winning percentage in the league(no playoff= nor official titlegame pre-1933..) three years in a row.. Buffalo in the '90's did win four AFC's in a row, but not the NFL CROWN..MIAMI in the '70's three AFCs in a row, two NFL Crowns..NEW ENGLAND recently three AFCs in a row, two NFL Crowns.. R.I.P. VINCE..

Not and live to tell about it, unless they were alive then in New Orleans, or now in Cleveland..

Nonsense...if Lombardi was coaching today, you can bet your sweet bippy he'd get dumped on and would enjoy it because it would mean he is winning and would be bonding with his unit. Lombardi coached in an era NO coach got dumped on...today, they pretty much all do - thanks to the 1986 NY Giants, who made it a season-long ritual right up thru their Super Bowl victory.

@@waldolydecker8118, no, he never wanted to be at the same level of his players, and he damned sure did not want them to act like college boys, or high schoolers. Professionalism was intricately linked to discipline in the NFL back then. Lombardi was no exception on that sideline. He may have wanted to go out with HORNUNG AND MCGEE= "Gentlemen, You find something worth 500 dollars(curfew breaking fine) and I'll go out with you."..but he never did. To suggest otherwise, that LOMBARDI in the NFL was a clown, is the really pure nonsense. See, I can be dismissive, too.

@@robertsprouse9282 - You can be an idiot too, lol. You are talking a bunch of nonsense that has to do with a completely different era in time. How Lombardi coached in 1969 has NOTHING, I say again, NOTHING to do with coaching today's multi-millionaire, free agent, union represented, #1 asset franchise players. Lombardi and other coaches from the 1960's and earlier held all 52 cards when dealing with players; today, the deck is more evenly distributed, as it should have been all along. You are making the mistake that many stupid people make when they compare eras 50 years apart - you think that how somebody operated in 1967 is exactly how they would operate today. Bull. Lombardi is a legend - everybody knows that - but if he coached today, he would have to evolve with the times, just like every other coach has Only an idiot claims a Lombardi today would approach every aspect of his coaching as if he was stuck in 1967, lol. Your claim reveals you didn't live when Lombardi coached, so you are unable to know anything personally of the difference in eras, and unfortunately, your education has failed to inform you. In a word, ignorance.

@@waldolydecker8118, Genius Mensa Man, I was a teen when VINCE won those SUPER BOWLS. AND.. BILL BELICHICK in the age of zillionaires, coaches the same way. Or, did you miss that? You ever see the look on BILL'S FACE when his players ONE TIME TRIED TO DUMP GATORADE ON HIM? Did ya ever see them dump it, again after that? As for 1969, AND 1959-67, V. LOMBARDI ruled like BELICHICK..AS FOR 2000-PRESENT..BILL B. RULES LIKE LOMBARDI. No, some of today's players are more interested in SOCIAL MEDIA and trashtalking and beating their wives and girlfriends, and driving like maniacs and preening about politics that they DO NOT KNOW BLEEP ABOUT. And, the next time that I see them put out third and fourth professional effort will be the first such occasion. I would rather see them squirm under the owner's thumb and act like professionals aimed at keeping their jobs and providing what the ticketholders' paid for, and what homeviewers who buy their spots/ ads products advertise, and order SUNDAY TICKET AND STREAMING, paid for, than the frauds in the inducement half-assing it twits who have as much power or more than owners and management today. This may come as a big shock to you. But, the fans don't owe the players a damned thing. They are there for us. We pass the bond issues for their stadiums and pay taxes to give us a comfortable, modern place to watch a game or more.. We are doing them a favor, not the other way around. We demand professionalism. They don't think they have to deliver it. Sorry, if they don't like it, let them see no fans, and go pump gas or say: Y'WANT FRIES WITH THAT.. Unfortunately, enough union mentality people like you will put up with a modern inferior product. Why is that? Is it because the players are sticking it to the MAN? Its time the MAN says: GO bleep off. If you and they don't like it, too bleepin' bad, ALEXANDER FLEMING. Got it, you NUKE PHYSICIST/PENICILLIN USER? YOUR MOVE, GENIUS..

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but one person who did not agree with that sentiment was John Wooden. He thought his style was completely different from Lomardi's, and it was. To me, after reading "When Pride Still Mattered" is the repeated willingness of Lombardi to overlook poor character in his players. He viewed good players as not being subject to the rules that everyone else had to follow. Rather then being exemplars, he felt that their prowess entitled them to cut corners. Two examples. When Lombardi was at Army, there was a huge cheating scandal among the football players. Despite the Honor Code, football cadets who took exams in the morning told football players who would take the exam in the afternoon some of the questions. This rocked West Point around the time of the Korean War, a much different era, and when "Duty, Honor, and Country" exemplified West Point. Lombarid was well aware of what was occurring. According to the book, Lombardi felt that in addition to their studies, which all cadets did, football players were also expected to devote themselves to football and deserved to have a break cut for them. At the time, Army was a huge football powerhouse, but after the disgrace of the scandal, it never recovered its lofty position in college football. By contrast, Wooden wanted his players to be successful beyond basketball. When Lombardi coached the Packers, one of his best players, Paul Hornung, bet on NFL games and associated with shady characters. The NFL put a lifetime ban on his playing. But the ban was later reversed, and Hornung said it was because of Lombardi's lobbying of the commissioner. All that mattered to Lombardi was athletic success at any price. Ultimately, Lombardi's swagger and misguided machismo cost him his life. Lombardi refused to undergo standard preventive screenings for colon cancer. He felt that no one was going to place anything in that part of his anatomy. By the time he was in pain and bleeding and agreed to a colonoscopy, it was too late. I respect his victories but not the man.

@@preppysocks209, I love Wooden, especially when he told the long haired, bearded Walton, he appreciated Bill digging his heels in to keep Bill's beard and hair longer, and Wooden told Bill that, just before he added WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU AROUND HERE. LOL.. Walton cut his hair.. But.. WOODEN looked the other way when UCLA's "godfather" booster broke every rule in the book, to illegally pay and recruit.. We found about all of that much later.. So, Wooden wasn't Mr.Perfect, either..

Doc Severinsen?

Conrad Gozzo? Uan Rasey? Derek Watkins? Bud Herseth? Maurice Murphy? Louis Armstrong? Freddie Hubbard? Kenny Baker? …ad nauseum

soulierinvestments Having just read the Wikipedia article about Herb Alpert, I'm guessing that the chewing gum urge refers to the tunes he has written for gum commercials, but I must have missed the references to pumpkin pie.... ?

I'm assuming that chewing gum refers to the song "The Mexican Shuffle" which was renamed "The Teaberry Shuffle" for Clark's Teaberry Gum. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Fk11Acjofu8.html And that pumpkin pie refers to the song "Whipped Cream" (the title song from the album with a most provocative cover) another song that "The Dating Game" sampled for introducing its contestants. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pp4hXEm0Ses.html Some stories about the cover and the woman on it (as far as I can tell, she is still living between Seattle and Portland as of July 2019). www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/herb-alperts-whipped-cream-lady-now-76-living-in-longview-and-looking-back/ groovyhistory.com/whipped-cream-girl-herb-alpert

@@savethetpc6406 "The Teaberry Shuffle" is the tune that pertained to chewing gum. The Brass also had a hit titled "Whipped Cream." Which probably pertains to pumpkin pie.

Betty is 98..that's my temperature!

Hold on, cool down..you're a little too alive for her...

Please explain who she is

​@@janetmarletto6667 Be a woman and GOGGLE her. Don't be that lazy.

WML had comic Vaughn Meader on just before JFKENNEDY was assassinated. And, Kilgallen was just singing his praises for being on his way up to the bigtime after he had initially broken through with his smash millions selling comedy album. Unfortunately, the JFK impressionist saw his career go up in a puff of gunsmoke when JFK was killed. Literally it was a rags to riches to rags story over a two year period. Two things died in Dealy Plaza in Dallas that November 22nd., 1963, one far more important than the other; one very important= impactful for a whole 200 million people, one far less important= devastating for one man, his family, and his millions of fans.

a Tape of that first broadcast was found a few years ago www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704709304576124373773290508 Which means to me, Gary, that there is more out there (I'll betcha a million sheks) of WML, Jack Paar, 1962 guest hosts of the Tonight Show (period between Paar and Carson) and early Carson. On Kinescope or tape, I think the motherlode is out there.

It was carried simultaneously on CBS and NBC (but with different crews I think).

What years did Lombardi work for the Packers? He did a short stint in Washington with the Redskins in the early 70's before his untimely death/

Joe Postove 1959 to 1968; 1959-1967 as Head Coach, and 1968 as General Manager.

+Joe Postove Ray Scott (first half play by play), Jack Whitaker (second half play by play) and Frank Gifford were the announcers for CBS. They had a 22.6 Neilsen rating (estimated 26.75 million viewers) and a market share of 43. Curt Gowdy and Paul Christman were the announcers for NBC. They had a 18.5 Neilsen rating (estimated 24.43 million viewers) and a market share of 36. (Since my brother and I were AFL fans, we probably watched it on NBC.) War nearly broke out between the crews of the rival networks and a fence had to be built to separate their trucks.

Most of their albums were recorded with much better musicians= THE famed studio musicians, THE WRECKING CREW. These guys on WMLINE? were more actors than musicians out on the concert and appearance circuit, and their TV SHOW gigs..

Love these shows...a great visual time capsule!

So did the ushers..

In 1967, this show was in color.

Yes she was..

Your comment has nothing to do with this episode.

Except for the whipped cream, the lady was nekked.

@@57highland Actually, the model was not naked. The picture only suggested it.

To my ear she has a Standard American accent. Bennett has a bizarre accent loaded with mispronunciations: he makes known a 2 syllable word!

Daly, not Daley

From Tijuana, if by Tijuana you mean Salerno and Bensonhurst or Hoboken..

@@robertsprouse9282 Is that where those guys were from?

No, maybe..those are heavily Italian areas, one in Italy, lol, and one in NYC- AND ONE IN NYC-NJ metro, where Sinatra is from= Hoboken..,

@@robertsprouse9282 Sinatra - Hoboken!

@@basilmarasco1975, I got my h's mixed up. I should have known that, too because when I lived in FLORIDA, my favorite DELI was owned and ran by the same people that used to operate in Hoboken, and they had Sinatra autographs with him in the pics. inside their deli, and they told me they used to deliver to him when he was resting at home.. The one in Florida in Clearwater had the best baclavas..or cannolis..oh they WERE GREAT! Thanks for correcting me, appreciate it..

She is beautiful, 10 out of 10, but if she is the most beautiful lady you’ve seen make a note to get out more often after the Covid epidemic.

And whatever she was wearing on her head when she walked out in this episode, it worked for me!

From Tulsa, Oklahoma= Mr. Randle..

It was changed in 1970. That year K.C Chiefs beat Minnesota Vikings 23-7 This makes them the first true Lombardi trophy winners

@@incognitouser1344 Lombardi was still alive when the Chiefs won Super Bowl IV.

@@incognitouser1344 The first winner of the Vince Lombardi Trophy was the Baltimore Colts. (Super Bowl V)

Really? So he had a live band and a studio band? I thought that was an '80s invention.

M. M. The studios demanded the very best backing musicians and that was The Wrecking Crew, including Glen Campbell on guitar and Carol Kaye (sp?) on bass. They backed all genres, including Sinatra. They were legendary. There's a short video documentary on them floating around.

+M. M. The Wrecking Crew through the 60's and into the 70's played on thousands of studio recordings. On hundred's of top 40 hits. As music started changing in the 70's their need faded. !6 track recordings. Groups started stipulating in their contracts that they be allowed to play their own instruments. Live studio ensembles were not needed any more. Some of those in the WC went on to solo music careers. Such as Glen Campbell, Leon Russell. Some others stayed in music their names would not be recognized by most.

He most certainly did use these guys in the studio.

@@jasonbennett3293, well, blueticecho says he didn't. I suggest blanks at 15 paces..

Herb Alpert still performs with his lovely wife, singer Lani Hall. Jerry Moss owned some great race horses including the mighty filly Zenyatta.

Vahan Nisanian yeah we know🙄

@@TheJonaco, anyone that gets involved in horse betting is just a fool on a hill, near downs stands..

Very true, but Lombardi was also a master psychologist in dealing with his players. Even in his day different personalities needed different treatment to get the best out of them, and he was a maestro at that.

He let Hornung be a wild child, and McGee, too, but only in the offseason.. Lombardi told them if you find a woman that is worth the money I am going to fine you for breaking curfew, come and get me, I'll go with you..

In '63, HORNUNG was suspended for gambling on NFL games. He said they were not Packer games..

There was a lot more to it in '63 & '64 than just Hornung's absence. Much shifting in the O-line due to injury. And, the team won it all in '67 WITHOUT Hornung.

Charles Booker Not true! Among other accomplishments, she had a successful career doing television editorials.

SaveThe TPC Great! I would like to hear more -- so do tell. I could not find reference to her online.

Charles Booker There's a whole lot of information about her on the following tv.com page, corresponding to Sue's first WML panel appearance on July 31, 1966: www.tv.com/shows/whats-my-line/episode-824-98343/ . I haven't been able to find much anywhere else either, but all the various posts about her on that tv.com page are very informative. Be sure to scroll all the way down the page, as there are a few different spots in which she is discussed.

Much like many o fthe panelist,, they had well established backgrounds as writer, editors, journalist, Because the show was to have mostly an educated in wide areas and then a comic or regular Joe or (jane) as a guest at times. She had a good private career. It was not all about star power and rock star status.

+Charles Booker I agree with you. This link that was given does provide some good information about her and she did work doing some editorials on the local CBS channel in the 70's, but that was AFTER her game show appearances. The only thing I've never been able to learn is what qualified her to be able to appear as a celebrity panelist on these game shows. I can see if she had been working on TV news prior to this, but that's not the case. She has no credentials, other than "smart and pretty" before appearing on the game shows. Drives me crazy that we can't seem to find how she stumbled onto the WML gig.

Well, Bennet Cerf immediately remarked "that the roar from the audience often denotes someone from the athletic field". The audience's reaction was a big hint. Probably would have been better if John Daly started with one of the other panelists.

But, could you comprise a current panel & moderator with the talent, class, and discretion this group had? That's what made this show so enjoyable, and compared to the current day, probably unique.

Updated?, the world we live in today would ruin the show. What’s my line?, well I give sex change surgery to five year olds