Thanks for including DKL Griptape and really cool to see this! We’re skate nerds too, so we just had a few notes to consider if you ever decide to repeat. Regarding the eraser test, we think what might be happening is the weight needs to keep the already bouncy eraser from bouncing up and down which translates a lot of the force upwards and reduces the amount of time in contact. For a simple comparison, if you take an apple and rub it on different griptapes you would see pretty definitively which is abrasive or not. Lastly, the pull tests can be tricky because there are a lot of variables to consider like shoe soles, weight distribution, or static VS kinetic friction etc. Regarding your static friction test, rubber griptape provides friction in a different way, so it might need a heavier weight to mimic the real world application of engaging the deformation of the pips and ensuring solid surface contact. It would also be interesting to see this with different shoe soles since some are much grippier than others. In our ideal world, we’d love to see shoe companies invest in new technology like they do with basketball shoes and their soles. By having non-abrasive griptape, it opens up the door to new materials and shoe technologies that otherwise would be destroyed instantaneously with sandpaper. Since friction is a 2-way street, you could choose the friction of your board just by changing your shoes like most sports do. For a simple rule of thumb, the grippier a shoe is on an indoor basketball court, the grippier it will be on DKL Griptape. Anyway, keep up the good work!
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Black diamond grip. Don’t know how you missed it out. It grips great.
I sort of landed with Jessup and Grizzly depending on what came free or was cheap because they stayed more consistent in an area where your grip gets dusty constantly. Seems to match up with the durability results.
Pepper is my favorite, specially the galaxy glitter one. Love it. It almost as grippy as MOB, but doesn't chew up my shoes and fingers as much. Mad props on your testing methods. Fairly practical.
Same. I've had standard pepper in the past and this stuff is cool. Just adds a little hype looking down at it, without being over the top like having some graphic on there. Pepper slices like butter, too.
Yo man i just bought 4 sheets today and giving it a shot, always was using black magic or grizzly, fuck jessup hard, idk about alveer grip but i heard its good
Oh I slammed that Like button the second you used water displacement for the eraser test. Science! Edit: Damn, it didn't work, but still a damn great way to think!
Video was successful. Just ordered a couple boards from y'all, and I'm going to give Pepper grip a try based on your tests and some of the comments below. I've been skating Mob mostly the past year, so interested to see what the difference might be.
I'm trying out Pepper soon on my new setup but could you please let me know or give an update how you feel about the grip? If it does less damage than DKL then it's super worth it
This was an amazing test! Please do more of these with Board durability showcasing wood MFG's, Trucks, and wheels. Although, that might not be a great idea. hahah!
@tacticsboarsshop Should have included Iron Horse. Also, you could do a blind study where you give skaters boards with different grip to try and rate. Although, for more experienced skaters it might be easy to guess which brand they are trying, thereby invalidating some of the results. You could also poll them to see if they have ridden all the other brands, or are exhibiting some kind of bias in the form of brand loyalty.
This was nice! I would love to see a scientific test if bearings. Which ones stay fast longest? Which resist clogging up with dirt, or binding up from rust? What about raw vs lubed, and covered vs open, and with spacers or not? Do they have different impact resistance? For this video, I am a little skeptical of the DKL abrasion result, but I can’t say if you did anything wrong. What would the result be if you did like 250 kickflip attempts with it, vs other brands? Maybe the constant friction and heat from it melted the eraser, and made it wear faster. The DKL rubber perhaps retained heat in a way that traditional grip didn’t, and in a way that wouldn’t accurately reflect normal skating wear.
i like that jessup doesn't peel up, doesn't destroy shoes as quickly, not too grippy. it just works as advertised, tried and true. mob m-80 i guess if jessup not available
For the durability test, I think more cycles are required, 5 times it's just too little. Make it at least 100 times, many videos show that after 100 Kickflips shoes show damage. Nevertheless, the approach is interesting. Thank you for sharing.
Hey Tactics team! Thanks so much for this video. As somehone who works in the metal industry I love the tendency of trying to look at skateboard gear more scientifically. For a long while it was just all subjective opinion with no real evidence for anything being superior to the same product from a different manufacturer. The result is that basically anyone can put anything on the market without any baseline quality standards. I would love this to change. Also the information that is out there. Heck skateboards have long stopped being little kids toys. I feel like there should be industry standards that make it easier to compare products.
Just got myself Some sheets of DKL, of it saves shoes, I’ll take the less grip part. Also DKL States that shoes build for a gym course would grip more than traditional skateshoes. Would like to try that. One brand is missing: Alveer by Sewa Kroetov. He did al those tests themself while creating Alveer
I just tried Miles for the first time on my last setup, out of curiosity, and I paid the $10 for it. It looks great, it really looks high quality, and the grip is amazing....at first. Fast forward two sessions later and it's lost nearly all of its aggressive grit. It was very disappointing to be honest. This sheet of grip died out way before the actual deck. Lesson learned, never again. Mob grip for life.
I'd like to see a bearing test. Stoked to find out that Mini Logo bearings are scientifically proven to be as good as G3s or Super Reds (or even Swiss).
I have been using rubber griptape for years now. For me, it is the fact that my shoes look decent for their ENTIRE lifespan (which btw is - thanks to the rubber - several months). That alone makes be tolerate the fact that grip is just a little less than regular griptape (yet I would never be able to blame that when not being able to land a trick, is always my technique not being what it takes) and the fact that the rubber griptape itself wears out quicker (because the rubber takes a lot of the abrasion your shoes get with regular griptape). Having said that, I loved to see how rubber griptape performed under those tests, thanks for the inclusion of it! It was a really nice video, definitely looking forward to a follow up video.
This was great. I’m hoping this can be done again with the suede pieces and grip tape from the smaller lesser known brands like Switch Supply, Paradox, Tomo, Black Widow.
This is a great video. Very thorough. 6:26 Tactics, Jessup and Grizzly are what im interested in because I like grip to be consistent for as long ss possible.
This was awesome please do more videos like this also confirmed some of suspicions about Jessup heard people say it stays gripper for longer guess it's somewhat true would still feel weird not getting mob though lol
I choose pure black MOB because you can sand it down to get as grippy as Jessup easily, even change the amount of grippiness in specific areas. It peels of easily without leaving the residue, which is good if you are re-gripping your deck regularly. Anyway I apply my the griptape in 3 sections so that I can re-grip my nose and tail more frequently and the section in between when it gets really dirty or very damaged.
Yeah i hate the idea of sanding down any grip, i’ve done it once as a homie showed me with mob and i fucked up the grip and had to peel the entire thing off, just bought pepper grip atm cause grippier than grizzly
Why didn’t you guys put black magic grip tape? I buy it every now and then cause it was always my go to, been trying grizzly just switched over to pepper, mob destroys your shoes too fast and jessup is 🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️
Honestly, I just used the grips that we had in stock at our shop in Eugene. But we didn't have any Black Magic otherwise I would have used it in the video! When I was starting to skate in the early 2000's I used to get Black Magic all the time. 🙌🛹 - Tim
@@tacticsboardshop trueeeeeee, i have to say though pepper is one of my favorites up there next to black magic, i peeled off my grizzly cause the grip was dying out and the fresh pepper for the used board made the session pretty good, i think it will last longer than grizzly for sure, just tried it out yesterday
So if I bought the Lithe Slate 3 (which lasts 8 times longer than a normal deck), which grip tape would both preform well enough but would also last the longest?
grippiness on "cloth" e.g. for flips and ollies would be interesting. Riding DKL, it always occurred to me that it stays as grippy as in the beginning. It basically is always as grippy as old regular grip tape 😬
rip n dip is definitely the worst grip tape it’s so overly abrasive that you can’t do certain tricks or It can make them way harder and it’ll destroy your shoes quickest. Definitely avoid it it’s ass
