What's the damn difference? And which is best for you ? | Enduro vs Dual Sport vs Adventure Bike 

Glad to hear it!

G’day from WA. It’s a shame they don’t make a bike like you listed. I think there would be quite a few in line for one.

You’re both on the money. I’ve owned MX, Enduro, ADV and dual sport bikes. Your definition of these is spot on Solid and thanks for breaking this down perfectly for the broader audience. The individual has to decide what they want from their bike. It’s personal. But the manufacturers appear to be listening and now we will see them producing “crossover” bikes ticking more boxes. The future is exciting. From my point of view, growing up riding small bore 2 stroke MX’s, having recently owned mid CC enduro and dual sport bikes, I am frothing on my T7 World Raid right now for the type of riding I enjoy at 57 years of age and being the responsible income earner for my family. Love your content Solid, you are the mouthpiece for the everyday rider. Listen to Solid, manufacturers.

@@bosoceansport2068 Thanks mate, appreciate the kind words. That world raid sure is a nice ADV. Expensive but lovely 😎

Nice summary

Much appreciated!

Thanks Dave 👍

I agree with that train of thought. Weight makes everything much more difficult and proper technique becomes even more essential.

Op starts in the first minute of the video "I'm taking skill out of the equation for the comparison" also I'm pretty sure your 250 isn't a dualsport. I'll simplify what op said. : Enduro bikes - lightweight is more important than user quality of life. Eg: service intervals in hours not miles. Dual sport: adds extra weight but service intervals are longer. Adv bikes: ignores weight almost completely for better highway use. If you're going to trails only a handful of miles away or plan to trailer your bike - but needs it to be street legal. Enduro bikes are best. If you're looking to travel on bike more then a few dozen miles to get to your trails a dualsport may be better for you. If your looking to jump on the highway, where having a p-twin is more useful, an adv is the way to go.

Agree, my modified 500excf ( lowered, retuned for mid range and excellent traction control) would be a lot safer in the hands of a lesser experienced rider than say a standard DR650 with its terrible suspension, average brakes and weight. Also the 50kg weight difference is winner as you age.

I think you guys may have missed the point though, it’s more about horses for courses than rider ability.

Travis, skills were not part of the discussion. But give me your thoughts on my proposal. Please develop your 'extreme skills' on your 1250 GS. Then take a now 'easy to ride' WR450F and enter the Roof of Africa. Since by your conjecture the WR450F riders have lesser 'extreme skills' and you after honing your 'extreme skills' on you 1250 GS has it in abundance, let me know how well it went during the Roof of Africa, the Baja or perhaps, just the first day of your Dakar challenge. Then do the converse, Invite any well-skilled MX, or enduro or desert rally rider (obviously by your measure not 'extremely' skilled). Put your chosen one on a sponsored 1250 GS, get on yours and select your adventure back country route. Agree to a race and let me know the outcome.

Good description. I was a bit worried about discussing the American nuances given I don't live there. Hopefully it was accurate.

@@chroniclesofsolid I did a big spread on dual sports here. Lots of Americans swear the KTM’s EXC line is the heart of the dual sport segment. I roll my eyes because they’re just dirt bikes with plates. Folks are also so “comfortable” here they buy performance because it’s “cheap” and it’s really conflated the definition of dual sport.

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Glad it helped 👍

Cheers 👍

Marketing sure does not help!

Many of those in my vids 😅 Symptom of my poor spelling, no spell check function in the editing software and being an overtired new dad with 0 time 😴

Let me know how you find it over the long term?

Maybe Himalayan, maybe mt450, maybe nx500 kardeş.

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Yep, around and around we go repeating history. I have a feeling scramblers will trend towards more off road capability as we move forward.

Might put this one in the next Q&A as its a long answer. Give me some context to help - whats your idea of comfortable on the highway? and hardcore dune kind of sand or just sandy trails?

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It’s such a hard and nebulous topic to get into 😅

Always 😁

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It’s hard to pin point but around the time of the first DR650. Early models had “dual sport” decals on the tank.

Left me even more confused sadly The bike Itchy Boots rode first time across Southern Africa what was it. Adventure or Dual?

You're correct but I would add the caveat that not all states have the same rules on what can and cannot be converted. Otherwise, yes.

@@FXSTB well you are correct most states besides California

So, what exactly is the 950/990 adventure that was originally developed for the Dakar? An off road capable road bike? I don't think so! Especially for the very tall S and R, OEM variants!

@@C_R_O_M________the 950 Adventure was surely developed to be registered for and used on the street. Dakar bikes back in the day were pretty much standard bikes compared to today’s full-bred rally bikes. 950/990 Adventure are adv’s all day long, and the 950 Super Enduro was a dual sport.

@@joakimf4868 you don't know what you're talking about. The 950 was developed FOR the Dakar. It was a prototype bike that Meoni gave long term input to develop just for that race. The LC8 engine he and others rode in those races were identical (but souped up to 130hp - basically what the Super Duke produces with the same 950/990 engine) to production bikes that were sold from 2003 onward. The chassis is identical. The weight distribution was a bit different due to the battery moved under the seat for more rear weight (for sand riding) and an extra oil tank. Suspension was 330mm travel and that was the real difference. Not much else. So, no you are wrong here.

@@C_R_O_M________ Yamaha races with T7’s, are all T7’s rally bikes too in your book? I can tell we’re not gonna agree on this matter, so you call the 950/990 dual sports / enduros / rally bikes or whatever you wish, I’m gonna call them what they are: Adventure bikes.

@@joakimf4868 I just described to you how the 950 concept was first developed and you deflect pointing to production bikes like the T7 that are adjusted to racing. The 950 was designed for race and adjusted for civilians. There’s a difference.

Very well said

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Yup. Although many (most?) enduro bikes aren’t street legal as sold, though some States are lax with the rules and you can plate many bikes. Enduros are, fundamentally, dirtbikes. I’d call a KTM/Husky 500/690 a dual sport, but dual is more logging roads and single track, less than road/dirt. Ymmv. Like Solid said, no one will ever completely agree.

@@steveh545 Yep. When I was a kid I had ‘78 Yamaha XT 500 _Enduro_ (it said so right there on the side cover). It was basically the same bike as the strictly off-road TT 500, but with lights and a license plate bracket and I think, if memory serves, slightly beefier drum brakes. Today we’d probably call a bike like that a dual sport, although back in the day it qualified as a pretty hard core off road machine. The DR650 I own today is certainly descended from that concept. The lines, particularly between enduros and dual sports, are blurry.

@@steveh545 I can't comment on the USA, but in my country in Europe the bikes are, in general, homologized for the road usage, although you get things like exhaust, parts of intake, etc. for sport use, which most people choose to mount at the dealer. Technically, it is not street legal with those parts but outside of the regular technical checkups, barely anybody cares. One can mount the original parts too, if they want to make it truly street legal. This is a difference from e.g. MX or XC bikes which lack crucial equipment and do not go through the homologation process.

You and me both Bill 😅

Simple answer - the Himalayan 450 is definitely an ADV based on it's road bias and just shy of 200kg wet weight. DRZ 400 is no question a dual sport as it doesn't have high end components and lightweight construction needed to fit into the performance category of an enduro.

Also classification is for legal not purpose

Himalayan = 100% adventure bike

@@joakimf4868It more of a Dual sport in my opinion, as it’s a single cylinder, Yes it probably has its feet in both camps to to its weight .

@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449 If I have missed your comments mate its not on purpose. A lot of the time, all I have time for is a quick browse and hitting the like button. I used to try and answer almost all my comments but with a busy life and many questions it often gets away from me. Its all subjective as I stated in my video so I can only give my opinion. Himalayan (both) are adventure bikes in my book, bare bones but adventure bikes. DRZE certainly was an enduro when it was released 24 years ago. Legally it has had to remove the pegs to duck the ABS laws. Time has passed by and it has ended up a Dual Sport IMO with the specs it has. The 690 and the MV Agusta 9.5 both have enduro in their names but it does not make either of them an enduro IMO, likewise the 400E. Could be a fun video to try and categorise all the fence sitting bikes that sit between categories. As for hard questions, often its just a matter of so many people asking similar questions and usually opt to answer it generally in a video. As answering a technical question requires nuance that is lost through typing. Or I plain just forget, which I am sure is frustrating from your end. If its a super hard question (if I remember and have time) I will just point out its over my head. I am no expert and have always maintained I'm just a passionate everyday enthusiast. I had a quick look back through my history and could not find any difficult questions from you? perhaps I missed it. Reply with them here and I will do my best mate👍

E stands for electric start

@@kamukosong false, it stands for enduro they're all electric start except for drz400.

Symptom of my poor spelling, no spell check in the editing software and being an exhausted time poor new dad. You will likely see many more in future 👍

You are quite well spoken .

You are quite well spoken .

You are quite well spoken .