As an Indian, we don't have much options in case of dual sports bikes but the most famous is Xpulse 200 4V which is a simple dual sports bike, nothing too fancy but I really enjoy the bike and its cheap and amazing in off-road and trail riding.
In the U.S. an enduro is a dirt bike made street legal with lights and a license plate. It has dirt bike maintenance intervals, with those intervals expressed in hours. You can ride it on the street, but it ain’t going to be happy on the street. The dual sport is a dirt bike designed to be happy on the street. It has higher oil/coolant capacities and street bike maintenance intervals expressed in miles. The ADV is a dual sport designed to be happy on the _highway,_ with wind protection and other rider creature comforts.
Yup. Although many (most?) enduro bikes aren’t street legal as sold, though some States are lax with the rules and you can plate many bikes. Enduros are, fundamentally, dirtbikes. I’d call a KTM/Husky 500/690 a dual sport, but dual is more logging roads and single track, less than road/dirt. Ymmv. Like Solid said, no one will ever completely agree.
@@steveh545 Yep. When I was a kid I had ‘78 Yamaha XT 500 _Enduro_ (it said so right there on the side cover). It was basically the same bike as the strictly off-road TT 500, but with lights and a license plate bracket and I think, if memory serves, slightly beefier drum brakes. Today we’d probably call a bike like that a dual sport, although back in the day it qualified as a pretty hard core off road machine. The DR650 I own today is certainly descended from that concept. The lines, particularly between enduros and dual sports, are blurry.
@@steveh545 I can't comment on the USA, but in my country in Europe the bikes are, in general, homologized for the road usage, although you get things like exhaust, parts of intake, etc. for sport use, which most people choose to mount at the dealer. Technically, it is not street legal with those parts but outside of the regular technical checkups, barely anybody cares. One can mount the original parts too, if they want to make it truly street legal. This is a difference from e.g. MX or XC bikes which lack crucial equipment and do not go through the homologation process.
Nice one Solid, and gidday from ACT. The difficult thing is the bridge between these categories. For instance like you I have a CRF300L, but often wish it had Honda's 471cc parallel twin but was still a relatively lightweight dual sport. It's in these crossover areas that many people would like to have options - why the CFMoto 450 MT has lots of people excited (I still wish it was 20kg lighter with less fairings).
You’re both on the money. I’ve owned MX, Enduro, ADV and dual sport bikes. Your definition of these is spot on Solid and thanks for breaking this down perfectly for the broader audience. The individual has to decide what they want from their bike. It’s personal. But the manufacturers appear to be listening and now we will see them producing “crossover” bikes ticking more boxes. The future is exciting. From my point of view, growing up riding small bore 2 stroke MX’s, having recently owned mid CC enduro and dual sport bikes, I am frothing on my T7 World Raid right now for the type of riding I enjoy at 57 years of age and being the responsible income earner for my family. Love your content Solid, you are the mouthpiece for the everyday rider. Listen to Solid, manufacturers.
In the US at least, "Dual Sport" motorcycles originated as, and in my mind still are, "Dual Purpose" bikes. Dual Purpose is what we called them when XLs, XT, DTs, TSs, etc were the dirt or trail bikes with lights and plates from the factory. When Suzuki released their DR(S) series, they launched a big marketing campaign, with invitations to anyone to join their local dealer hosted "Dual Sport" rides. Of course this term was used in the DR product literature as well. I never understood why the motorcycle media transitioned terms, but here we are. I will always call them DP bikes myself.
Thanks for this Solid, I talk with riders flirting with dual-sport vs ADV frequently as a new segment for them. Also, thanks for focusing on American's massive confusion with "enduro", remember, English is our second language here. To me, Enduros are dirt bikes with street legal equipment, Dual Sports are dirt-bike-like motorcycles with street legal equipment but have better street manners and maintenance schedules, ADV bikes have a factory windshields.
@@chroniclesofsolid I did a big spread on dual sports here. Lots of Americans swear the KTM’s EXC line is the heart of the dual sport segment. I roll my eyes because they’re just dirt bikes with plates. Folks are also so “comfortable” here they buy performance because it’s “cheap” and it’s really conflated the definition of dual sport.
I disagree about the enduro bike being for competition minded or extreme riders. These bikes will assist a less competent rider in tackling more challenging terrain. My 500excf is so much easier to ride than my wr250r in the bush. I also have a 1250gsa and that's the one that needs extreme skills to take off-road.
Op starts in the first minute of the video "I'm taking skill out of the equation for the comparison" also I'm pretty sure your 250 isn't a dualsport. I'll simplify what op said. : Enduro bikes - lightweight is more important than user quality of life. Eg: service intervals in hours not miles. Dual sport: adds extra weight but service intervals are longer. Adv bikes: ignores weight almost completely for better highway use. If you're going to trails only a handful of miles away or plan to trailer your bike - but needs it to be street legal. Enduro bikes are best. If you're looking to travel on bike more then a few dozen miles to get to your trails a dualsport may be better for you. If your looking to jump on the highway, where having a p-twin is more useful, an adv is the way to go.
Agree, my modified 500excf ( lowered, retuned for mid range and excellent traction control) would be a lot safer in the hands of a lesser experienced rider than say a standard DR650 with its terrible suspension, average brakes and weight. Also the 50kg weight difference is winner as you age.
Travis, skills were not part of the discussion. But give me your thoughts on my proposal. Please develop your 'extreme skills' on your 1250 GS. Then take a now 'easy to ride' WR450F and enter the Roof of Africa. Since by your conjecture the WR450F riders have lesser 'extreme skills' and you after honing your 'extreme skills' on you 1250 GS has it in abundance, let me know how well it went during the Roof of Africa, the Baja or perhaps, just the first day of your Dakar challenge. Then do the converse, Invite any well-skilled MX, or enduro or desert rally rider (obviously by your measure not 'extremely' skilled). Put your chosen one on a sponsored 1250 GS, get on yours and select your adventure back country route. Agree to a race and let me know the outcome.
You’ve defined the categories exactly right. I have a KTM500exc enduro that is and does exactly what you described. I also have a KTM990 Enduro R that is an Adventure bike, but is quite capable as an enduro with a skilled rider. The Dual Sport bikes are more enduro than ADV, but are less powerful than both other classes, along with cheaper, easier to repair and maintain.
*Solid explanation pertaining to the 3 different pourpose 👌 the solution for me are as follows. Started with my 1978 and 1980 Honda XL125(I still have them). I wanted a dual pourpose that's light and powerful...bought a 2004 KTM640 Adventure 158kg dry 54Hp. Ultimate bullet-proof dual sport out of the box. I bought a 2016 Sherco 300 SEF-R 6 days due to enduro fever. What a weapon. I bought a 2017 Honda CRF250L filling in for a lightweight dual sports. My choice for an Adventure motorcycle was a 2021 Motto Guzzi V85TT. All these bikes cover my "off road" needs. I still have all of them today. 😊 *pun intended 😊
I want a lightweight frame with geometry that's good on and off road, an engine with long service intervals, a large fuel tank and large rear rack, that's light enough for good off road performance but powerful and comfortable enough for road travel. There will obviously be some compromises between on and off road performance, but all of these goals can be mostly achieved by spending a bit more money for aluminum instead of steel to get the weight down, but no manufacturer wants to make a good on & off road bike despite a *LOT* more of us wanting a bike like this than the Dakar bikes or large heavy street oriented ADV bikes.
Good video solid. I appreciate some context around differences internationally. Im in the US, you largely nailed our description but I'll add a few thoughts. For me, an enduro is one of several forms of dirt bike. (IE trail bike, MX bike, enduro) The primary difference is going to be the suspension. MX bikes are meant to jump but an enduro is meant to ride hard, typically on natural terrain. Like the hare scramble races. As you eluded to, a dual sport in the US typically refers to a bike that starts with an off road platform but has the equipment and tuning to make it legal for road use. Think CRF250x and CRF250L. An adventure bike is something that typically start with a street orientated platform and makes it off road capable. Think MT-07 and Tenere 700. Final thought on which is right for you? Riders, especially in the US, want the one with the biggest power, the best specs, the most suspension travel and i think this mentality often leads to some riders getting the wrong machine. The first thing I ask a rider when they express interests in an off road machine is, what do you realistically believe you'll be doing with it? Are you really planning to ride thousands of miles, maybe even internationally. Or, is it much more likely you'll spend your time in dual track forrest roads, close to home. Recognizing what you'll really do is key to picking the right one for you.
So, what exactly is the 950/990 adventure that was originally developed for the Dakar? An off road capable road bike? I don't think so! Especially for the very tall S and R, OEM variants!
@@C_R_O_M________the 950 Adventure was surely developed to be registered for and used on the street. Dakar bikes back in the day were pretty much standard bikes compared to today’s full-bred rally bikes. 950/990 Adventure are adv’s all day long, and the 950 Super Enduro was a dual sport.
@@joakimf4868 you don't know what you're talking about. The 950 was developed FOR the Dakar. It was a prototype bike that Meoni gave long term input to develop just for that race. The LC8 engine he and others rode in those races were identical (but souped up to 130hp - basically what the Super Duke produces with the same 950/990 engine) to production bikes that were sold from 2003 onward. The chassis is identical. The weight distribution was a bit different due to the battery moved under the seat for more rear weight (for sand riding) and an extra oil tank. Suspension was 330mm travel and that was the real difference. Not much else. So, no you are wrong here.
@@C_R_O_M________ Yamaha races with T7’s, are all T7’s rally bikes too in your book? I can tell we’re not gonna agree on this matter, so you call the 950/990 dual sports / enduros / rally bikes or whatever you wish, I’m gonna call them what they are: Adventure bikes.
@@joakimf4868 I just described to you how the 950 concept was first developed and you deflect pointing to production bikes like the T7 that are adjusted to racing. The 950 was designed for race and adjusted for civilians. There’s a difference.
Greetings Solid! An excellent definition of the three categories. this is very helpful for those who wish to choose a bike that will suit their needs. Well done excellent production as usual. David....Adelaide....Triumph Scrambler 1200X
I see two problems here: 1) Definition of OFFROAD. For most Germans, offroad starts where hard pavement ends. However here in Scandinavia we got tens of thousands of kilometers of unpaved, public roads between settlements. Simply because those roads withstand the harsh nordic climate better than asfalt roads, are easier to maintain and cheaper to build. I would never call those offroad, because you could ride them basically on any bike, even a Harley. Then there are smaller logging roads of variable state of maintanance, but real terrain (off the road) is off limits to motorized vehicles anyway. 2) Marketing. Just now when watching this video, it was interupted by a BMW commercial, showing a rider on a F900GS in terrain where a light dual sport or even enduro is much more suitable. People buy then those 230, 250, 280 heavyweight bikes and get out on tracks like the TET, with the result that we basically every week see one or several posts in FB of riders who crash, get stuck, cant lift their bike... and cry out for help in remote places. For most of us average riders a lighter dual sport would be much better suited for trips like this, but far too many fall for this kind of marketing. I downgraded now, by the way, to an "adventurized" 701 Enduro (165kg fully fuelled) and did a trip from Stockholm to Albania and back on it - 7000km in four weeks. Worked very nicely, as long as you avoid the boring motorways.
Nice to list some of each priorities ; engine maintenance interval, weight, wheel size, headlights... And really confusing the different names in different countries. So... I ride a "Frankenduro" 😁😄
I'm going to send this to a friend of mine. He's been thinking of getting a bike maybe this year or next, and he's a bit unsure of what would be the best fit for him. Thanks for making this!
we didn't say dual sport in australia it was a road trail bike. enduro bike = sold as a competition bike, road registered or not. road trail bike = an offroad oriented bike with some features that allow it to be used on road like taller gearing, durable components more fuel and oil capacity, longer lasting offroad tyres etc. adventure bike = a road oriented bike with features to enable it to do some offroad like more suspension larger wheels more offroad suitable tyres etc.
Skills?! SKILLS?! Take away the one thing I don't have! Seriously now, if one has really good skills they already know what they want; the problem is folks that have little to no skills so a video that approaches the buying decision tree for folks looking at either an Enduro, Dual Sport or Adventure bike. One can get seriously hurt if they buy too big.
Agree 100% Solid. Great explanation. It gets confusing when Dual Sport or ADV bikes release an "Enduro" model, for example the new BMW 900 GS Enduro. This big twin is clearly not an Enduro bike, but its more dirt-friendly than the standard GS model so it gets an Enduro label. Cheers
Basically the dual sport is the middle of the road, out of the 3 different types of bikes here. I was brought up on Enduro riding. In fact I had my 1st bike for off roading when I was 12 years old. Which meant 5 years riding before I got to go on the roads. Which I found boring, which is easy to understand after all I'd know for 5 solid years was riding off road. I also hated the weight of the street legal bikes & still do. Maybe if I didn't have 5 intense years of riding off road to start. I'd more than likely have different opinions. I haven't got a bike at the minute. But I'm totally clueless what type of bike to buy. As I mentioned my biggest dislike of modern bikes is the Weight. I'm pretty sure a GS 1250 is as smooth as butter on long journey's. Most likely a great bike to own. Even if I had the money you wouldn't see me going anywhere near something like that. I'd prefer to take a much less comfortable ride on the road as long as it was great off road. Bring mainly a Yamaha owner & loving every bike I've had from Yamaha. I'd say my perfect bike would be a Tenere if it weighed half the weight 🙄 I know it's me not the bike that's how I haven't got a clue what to buy.
Here in Indonesia dual sports are getting smaller and smaller, and this is good for the consumer, as they began to replace 110-125cc underbone semi-auto as daily ride. Because of our uneven road infrastructure, and especially in mountainous area, more and more people choose 150cc dual sports and we have KLX150, WR155, and CRF150L. The only one missing among Japanese manufacturer is Suzuki.
Thank you for the video, it's really well described! I am sometimes confused by english-speaking bikers (probably Americans) custom to name everything a "dual sport" which I find confusing, as in my mind, there is a world of difference between bikes like the EXC on one side, CRF250L on another and PR7 or Touareg on yet another. It may not seem so at first glance (as especially dual sports mimic the enduro looks) but try them either off- or on-road and you'll see. (Enduro bikes are often not smooth when you only ask for a little power. They will happily give you controllable burst or sustain s..tload of power but if you want them to be slow and smooth, they are not.)
At first glance I thought this may be simply another rehash of an old argument, but you nailed it in a very comprehensive manner…As a Kiwi I still cannot understand the Yanks, I mean it’s right there in the title DUAL, meaning two, who the hell wants to keep up with the service intervals of a high performance Enduro bike by riding it on the road? And of course the KTM 500XCE always wins the dual sport category every year as the most high performance and best handling off road, it’s because it an emissions restricted ENDURO bike (the choice of weapon for desert racers).
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KTM 390 adventure is best choice of lightweight adventure bike... İts also very close to dual sport bike....
@ ben 390 adv kullandım, facebook grubunu kurdum yönetiyorum, fakat bam yoluna, moğolistana onunla gitmem. Avrupa turu yapılır. Benim kafamdaki motosiklet beni eve geri getirecek olandır.
I've got a lot of expensive bikes but out of all of them. To be honest, one of the cheaper ones the SSR sr250S. 6 speed. One of the best bikes. I got for hardwoods riding And then on road riding You can scrape the pegs on corners.What about damn thing And go up some nasty rough hill climbs. No problem. The gearing is pretty nice. Can crawl on a trail as slow as you want and does 80 mph And then after the timing key big bore kit everything else to make it a true 300 eighty four millimeter bor Things extremely reliable One of the bikes I had to do the least amount of work on.
We've come full circle with Dual Sports being an attempt to get dirt bikes back towards their Scrambler roots & ADV's being a modern version of the Scramblers of old. It's just a shame that modern scramblers are mostly just a styling exercise that would wither at anything more technical than a gravel road or fire trail, especially for those of us that aren't a fan of the dirt bike or ADV aesthetics. A Honda CL500 with some actual off road capability would be my ideal type of bike. It's just a pity that Honda probably won't make one.
Might put this one in the next Q&A as its a long answer. Give me some context to help - whats your idea of comfortable on the highway? and hardcore dune kind of sand or just sandy trails?
Typo: Wieght ? Honestly, I wish we could get an Enduro chassis, suspension and combine it with a more de-tuned, larger oil capacity and perhaps stretched gearing setup. Single or dual cylinder, don't really care, but low weight should be the aim. I drool over a Gasgas at 106kg, but I wish I could get a Honda trail engine instead. Honda CRF350FL with 6 speeds or an Austrian Enduro setup with say the newest Euro 5 399cc KTM street engine.
American here. (EnduroVsDualsport) If you can get it tagged leaving the showroom, it's a dual sport. All others are a dirt bike. 😂I hear very few Americans use the term Enduro. I could go with, a dirt bike, not plateable, but with a headlight as an Enduro.
Klx 300r and Suzuki rmx450z are both enduro bikes but cant be registered in Oz. In general your explanation is solid but there are exceptions to the rule just to confuse things.
Enduro- trailer it to the trails, own everyone there. Dual Sport - ride it short distances to the trails, middle of the pack. Adventure - ride it half way across the world. Take it easy. Look cool @ starbucks
To add to the confusion, Yamaha used to call their old '70's-'80's super-popular DT-series bikes "Enduro" when clearly by today's definition they were Dualsports. I run into some old guys that still think a dualsport is an "enduro".
In the US we can plate an enduro bike..we have to install turn signals a horn and mirrors then have inspected an a dealership then wr get a modified title. It's rather expensive and time consuming
So what are the bikes typically ridden in Southern Africa off-road. Can't be adventure or any that stuff as they are quite cheap The ones on farms and ridden by teens
Some of the people in SE Asia modified the Dual Sports in a wrong way. The CRF-150L or KLX-150 for example, it's modified into a Street Bike (like the biggest Downgrade Modification with the CSGO Skins) rather than a Supermoto and use it like a Fairing Sport Bike, or a Drag Race. It's cursed, tbh. Other than that, it is considerably the safest, affordable, and reliable bike for the locals when the government hasn't fixed the Road yet
Is the new Himalayan 450 a dual sport or an ADV bike ?, the DRZ 400 is now considered an enduro bike ( in Australia ) as it has NO rear pegs now and under 149kg - that’s considered a Enduro bike in Australia. I know you will not reply as you never 👎 do .( when asked the hard questions)not just from beginners. I do like 👍 your channel mate but you never answer the hard questions.
Simple answer - the Himalayan 450 is definitely an ADV based on it's road bias and just shy of 200kg wet weight. DRZ 400 is no question a dual sport as it doesn't have high end components and lightweight construction needed to fit into the performance category of an enduro.
@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449 If I have missed your comments mate its not on purpose. A lot of the time, all I have time for is a quick browse and hitting the like button. I used to try and answer almost all my comments but with a busy life and many questions it often gets away from me. Its all subjective as I stated in my video so I can only give my opinion. Himalayan (both) are adventure bikes in my book, bare bones but adventure bikes. DRZE certainly was an enduro when it was released 24 years ago. Legally it has had to remove the pegs to duck the ABS laws. Time has passed by and it has ended up a Dual Sport IMO with the specs it has. The 690 and the MV Agusta 9.5 both have enduro in their names but it does not make either of them an enduro IMO, likewise the 400E. Could be a fun video to try and categorise all the fence sitting bikes that sit between categories. As for hard questions, often its just a matter of so many people asking similar questions and usually opt to answer it generally in a video. As answering a technical question requires nuance that is lost through typing. Or I plain just forget, which I am sure is frustrating from your end. If its a super hard question (if I remember and have time) I will just point out its over my head. I am no expert and have always maintained I'm just a passionate everyday enthusiast. I had a quick look back through my history and could not find any difficult questions from you? perhaps I missed it. Reply with them here and I will do my best mate👍
It’s very simple. An enduro is a MX bike with lights, a dual sport is a bloated enduro with blinkers. An ADV bike is a bloated multi cylinder dual sport. In a nutshell
Which bike has a ash tray and a cigarette lighter and can drive me home after a late night of drinking moon shine and riding gravel roads and a few mishaps in or thru a ditch or 5 sometimes more but any way that KMT 454 sounds good with all those gadgets and can you get it in camouflage in case the forest ranger gets after me that orange just not going to cut it .
What a bout Trail ? Like the crf300l, in France Honda says it's an adventure : "Présentation - CRF300L - Adventure" BUT sometime they are saying it's a trail : "Trail Honda CRF300L 2023", AND NOW U SAID IT'S a DUAL SPORT !!! ;-) LOST IN TRANSLATION.....
drz400 = kickstart only non complianced bike for closed course racing. drz400E E stands for enduro they've won enduro titles in australia and complianced and sold in the enduro bike category. drz400s s stands for street it's a road trail bike or road oriented trail bike. drz400sm SM stands for super motard
Can you get it off your leg after you stall and fall over??? by yourself? If not, then watch out for gulleys, big rocks, steep ups and downs, switchbacks . . . unless you can ride and you're not really watching this.
Don't know much about bikes as only bikes I've ridden in Africa were what we call farm bikes and I was literally on a farm.. Occasionally I rode to the local shops But clearly bike manufacturers are doing a number on the buyers How come buying a car isn't as complicated 🙄🥴 Clearly a scam
The only thing that I didn’t like about the ideo is that you kept referring to the US as America. There is no country named America. I keep asking people to proof me wrong. But, there is a continent (yes one and not two like the empire of the US wants it to be) officially named America. And it was named that back in 1507, hundreds of years before the US became a country. There are 34 countries in America and everyone from any of them are Americans, not just people from the US. In America, the movement to reclaim our rightful title of Americans for all people and America for our continent is small but growing and picking up speed. Regardless of what Unitedstatians (literal translation of the word Estadounidenses, which is the most common way of referring to people from the US in Spanish speaking countries) think, we see our continent as one, not two. Hence the futbol (soccer for Unitedstatians) American Cup. No, it does not refer to some futbol championship in the US, but rather a continent wide tournament. The division of our continent into two different continents took place just a handful of years after the US became a country. Only proof that the US has tried to control the continent right from the beginning. And to be honest, based on what I have seen from people from Europe, they know that America is not the name of a country. During the world Cup in Brazil, I saw an European fan (can't remember the country, I think it was a Swedish) when asked if he was enjoying the World Cup he stated, and I quote, "I’d always wanted to come to America... I am very happy to be here in America..." During the semi finals as Germans were leaving a stadium after winning that match, some Germans were asked who they thought was going to win the Cup. One German fan stated, "We are going to win it! We are going all the way. We are going to take the cup away from America and take back to Europe." I loved watching that! Obviously those people new that they were not in the US and that the US has never won the men’s World Cup. The last country to do so at that time was Brazil. Which is an American country. And notice they said America and not Americas, like Unitedstatians like to say. That is right baby, one continent, the way 43 countries in America sees it. Of course the other two countries being the US and itKe booty kissing neighbors, the Canadians.
"... and they can all go on road". NOT TRUE. True Enduro bikes are not street legal, although some can be made street legal in some states (countries). "Think of bikes like KTM's EXC range, and Beta's RR-S." INCORRECT. Those lines of bikes are Dual Sports. That is why you don't see them being raced, at least not by the top pros. In fact your video didn't even show Beta RR-S when you said that. It showed Beta RR series! For Enduro, think of bikes like the KTM XC, Beta RR, and Husqvarna TE or FE (but without an 'S' at the end). Generally speaking, Enduro bikes DO NOT HAVE LICENSE PLATES. When was the last time you saw Billy Bolt, Graham Jarvis, Johnny Walker or Manuel Lettenbichler race an FE 350S, or a Beta 350 RR-S, or a KTM 350 EXC-F? Never! Why? Because they aren't Enduro bikes. They are Dual Sports. Here is where you get confused: Dual Sport has two categories: high performance and Low Performance. You think high performance dual sports are enduro bikes, but they aren't. Regarding adventure bikes, you say almost all adventure bikes have multiple cylinders. I am going to submit that ALL Adventure bikes have multiple cylinders.
Symptom of my poor spelling, no spell check in the editing software and being an exhausted time poor new dad. You will likely see many more in future 👍
