What's the Difference between Captain Falcon and Ganondorf? (SSBU) 

Next should be: What’s the Difference between Fox and Falco

Difference between zelda and sheik?

DrDaricul47 TM Unfortunately he only does cloned characters and echo fighters

Okay

For the record, Nair comes out on the same frame for both, being f7, but the 2nd hit is faster for Falcon's (13 vs. 17)

How dare you insult our beloved captain?! *Sniff*

GamingYoshi Fanatic No offense to cap himself, but his games are as dead as smash 4

@@cag_0k642 Welp, you're right. Atleast he's doing better than Ice Climbers or Takamaru

Falcon's moves aren't even from fzero as well. They're just copied from sakurais original fighter before smash had nintendo characters lmaoo.

SHOOP-AHHH maybe they’re from... the... anime??

Or until you play casually long enough

*Glances at Daisy and Richter*

This is obviously a Melee reference, isn't it?

Roy hasn't been a clone since Melee

@@darkx415 Eh, he's changed, but only by so much. Now if you really want to talk about declines, look no further than Falco

or winning lol

I love both

Captain Falcon is a rushdown while Ganondorf is more defensive.

That is me F# combos i can kill fast

And that's where I appear

That is a nickname, Knee smash is the actual name. If that was a joke, i get it

@@ribsofmanhattan404 i was about to whoooosh you

@@luziiiii He saved himself at the last second just like captain falcon would.

@@luziiiii you saved yourself from all the hate

@@Dante_Sparda_DMC true tho lol

Oof

*_A A A G H_*

of course he doesn't have any armor... Every men's weakspot! (Except you don't have any, then you are somewhat immortal)

*YoU hAvEn'T sEeN tHe LaSt oF mE*

it leaves him very exposed

Same

Add Zelda and Fire Emblem characters to the next F-Zero and that will save the franchise.

same bro what if we get a mod that changes captain falcon’s model to ganon’s model so basically ganon over captain falcon. why do this? because we could get to see ganon in the blue falcon lol

Juan Rodriguez Honestly we should just get a Nintendo racing game that has content from a lot of 1st party Nintendo games. The gameplay could be a mix between Mario Kart and F-Zero, or just one or the other. A Nintendo all-stars racing game or whatever could be the only way we could see Ganon in F-Zero, that and mods lol

@@LegoMarioDude1 I'd like too keep some things separated, Mario Kart for the casual gameplay and maybe for give more visibility to the rest of Mario sub-series (Wario Land, Warioware, Luigi's Mansion, Mario & Luigi, Paper Mario, Donkey Kong, etc) while F-Zero should be the more "hardcore" and competitive, something nice to watch and to play, I never liked the idea of a massive racing crossover for Nintendo, I think that only one massive crossover is enough, instead SEGA should make another massive crossover but this time including Nintendo character for the Switch version, because limiting themselves to just Sonic is quite lame.

I think everybody except Sakurai thinks that

Ganondorf is the only clone that was copied from a character from a different series, so yeah it's kinda weird, considering most of the clones are from the same series as their other clones.

@Ren 1 8 3 I just wished they added Ganon as a Brawl Newcomer so he can have a different moveset from C. Falcon

He isn’t really a clone

@@kirkskilling3249 He is like Roy to Marth, except they are both Swordfighters, so having Similar moveset in partially justified. Captain Falcon is a racer, Ganondorf is the King of evil. Why is so much in common?

Captain falcon: plus ultra

Captain falcon: One for all Ganondorf: All for One

@@MfwPrivate In both ways captain falcon is all for one He usually doesn’t do a raw knee, he uses a lot of moves to combo. And he has a fair diversity in his moves. Gannon usually only does one combo: side b to down tilt. Other wise he is just using one move to try to kill you (DORIYAH)

and damn slow

yes @@gammaf1365

Long for the range short for your life.

And F smash and up smash Is just Ike and Down is cloud

One uses a Sword

If someone swaps falcon and ganon's models and voice lines no one will notice

Oh boy! Kid is at kill percent! (30%) Time to yolo f-smash!

That could be amazing, you make it more real to his character while keeping the cloned parts.

I would actually like those kind of changes while still making him the true Ganondorf.

That's a really good idea. I wish Nintendo would see it.

I think they should put Warlock Punch on a Black Shadow Echo and redo Ganondorf from the ground up.

@@petery6432 I think we will never get a new F-Zero character xd

I feel like pichu is both ganons worst and best matchup at the same time

@@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747 In what universe is it his best MU?

@@jimjam1556 it's because pichu does so early. That's about it. Pichu still wrecks him more often than not

@@TheEmeraldTyrant If the Pichu player has any idea how to play the MU they realistically shouldn't lose. Like yeah Pichu dies early but good luck even hitting one of the smallest most nimble characters in the game with one of the slowest and lethargic characters in the game. Ganon needs to rely on hard reads in order to accomplish anything in that MU, whereas Pichu can combo him into infinity off a single whiffed move, or just camp him out. That MUs like 30-70 at best.

@@jimjam1556 i know. Like i said. It's only cuz he's light and dies early. OTHER THAN THAT pichu mops the floor with ganon

I wish it was Twilight Princess Ganondorf with the Sword of The Six Sages

What moveset Would you like for Ganondorf?

Sword

The sword is not enough!

@@rodrigomorales563 bigger sword

Yes,yes you are

They literally just stuck the sword onto his hand while he was doing a Warlock Punch. I'm surprised Sakurai was OK with that.

@@nousername191 yeah but it had a tipper and much more range. Yet somehow the sword was weaker than the warlock punch, which is, well, just a punch.

Almost everyone hates the idea of custom moves tho. They could've been done better at the very least; his sword back then was a slightly modified Warlock Punch.

@@nousername191 They didnt even give him a new animation or anything. They just cropped a sword into his hand and called it a day.

cloud's nair is nerfed

Instead of a non-canon sword, people should've begged for magic and a float instead.

@@CertifiedBruhMoment. the sword is canon. But u right

The sword wasn't used nearly as much compared to some of Ganondorf's other weapons

@@CertifiedBruhMoment. He uses a Sword in Twilight Princess. I think that his Smash attacks should be based off of sword attacks that he uses in Twilight Princess, and the rest of his kit be more Magic-based.

No kidding. Why can't he summon Phantoms, use an electric orb, or warp?

I want him to use his Cape as a reflector and the Orb from Ocarina of time

Better yet, give him the trident from Hyrule Warriors to make him represent Pig Ganon as well!

Sakurai: Huh? Oh you want him to stay as Captain Falcon right? Got it. I mean it's not like other characters were changed but my Ganondorf is special he gets to stay shit in every game because I decide never to change him for no reason.

PolishToy Gamer14 Not really. I like Ganondorf how he is. I would miss him if they changed him. I feel like if they reworked him he would be less hype and more campy. Ganon is best how he is

The magic is not efective with the master sword link have and zelda the light arrow and the magic power,ganon use the triforce of power not magic

@@fullfrontal7422 Each triforce grants different powers. Ganon is a magic character, play Zelda games and then compare.

That's if we even get a smash 6

I like the fact that I found out recently that the version of ganon smash uses,he never uses a sword in his game(im pretty sure it was from a tech demo for the gamecube back in 2000 for a zelda game that was cancelled for wind waker and theres also a sword similar to that one in hyrule warriors) so they gave the sword to the wrong guy

@@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747 Yeah, they gave Ganondorf a Sword, but cut Twilight Princess Ganondorf out of the game, you know the Ganondorf THAT ACTUALLY USED A SWORD IN HIS HOME GAME. I find it odd they didn't just include both in one slot the way they did Ike.

@@petery6432 I agree,or what could've happened was a second ganon based on his oot appearance and his old moveset could be used for his twilight princess appearance but he uses his sword a lot more(including maybe a new up b and his down b could be him stabbing forward with his sword)

@@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747 True, BUT the sword Ganon uses in TP isn't visually consistent in a way. Its a sword of light, so someone seeing him wield that in Smash and hasn't played TP may be confused. Moreover, that sword wouldn't be very good at doing what his Doriyah sword does, since its a smaller sword like a rapier. And Sakurai wanted the Zelda characters to be visually distinct from the previous game and use more designs from the series history (Zelda representing the classic 2D games, Ganon the 3D ones, and Link the new era of open world games that just started), so his OoT design was the best fit because that was GanonDORF's first appearance (before that game it was just Ganon) as well as the most popular 3D Zelda. But doesn't Ganon wield a weapon in his Phantom Ganon appearance in that one fight, as well as his final fight where you play tennis with him? I think it might have been a Trident though (it's been awhile). However, people have been clamoring for Sakurai to give him a sword, so I think what he did was a great middle ground with all this (and the sword is a good design for Ganondorf I think). However I think that maybe a trident could take its place just fine in the next game (if there will be one) and I think that might make people happier. But I think people might be happy with his moveset in this game, its a fun one that has made him very popular while still referencing his history and personality. Although I've heard some people still don't like it, but I really don't think it needs fixing, maybe just make a few visual changes to make it feel more like him. Like the moves are essentially the same but have some new additions to please people who like the moveset and those that want something different. So I think maybe have his Down B on the ground could create a Phantom Horse like what he rode in the Phantom Ganon fight (perhaps so that it doesn't create too big a hitbox they could make it more like an effect of magic rather than a full sized horse he rides, so it could be he is engulfed in the magic flames as a semi-transparent horse head leads the charge, kinda like the Falcon in the Falcon Punch I suppose). And his Up B could be redone to more resemble what he does when he throws the balls of lightning in the final fight with him in OoT, while still retaining elements of his current one. First he leaps like he does now, except he thrusts his Trident up as he ascends, and can still grab people with the trident (and if he grabs someone he can still ascend with them unlike now) then at the peak of his jump he swings the trident throwing a lightning ball towards the ground, and if he grabbed the enemy then he throws them instead. And he could have much better control in the air at the peak of his jump like he is floating for a short time. Then his Jab should have a larger hitbox with a magic wind effect (more for visual, since it would likely be too strong if he could send windboxes with every jab) that can shock opponents but isn't too strong. This is referencing his waves of evil energy or whatever it was that he does to Link in the cutscene before his fight in OoT, which I'm pretty sure the Jab is referencing anyways. But I think the Aerials should maybe be made different overall (except the FAir and DAir which are too good and iconic, but DAir could at least be a different animation but the same move). But anyways, those are my thoughts on what can be made different, but I think its good enough already.

Wdym both of their side b’s work

Patrick Nguyen Falcon’s side b is awful. It’s so hard to hit Lucina can be walking and avoid it no problem

@@swagdrakefan8791 I also want to add that its so inconsistent in the air and its not really a good recovery move since if you miss the ledge at the end of the move then you cant drift to it as well as his up b

@@swagdrakefan8791 I think falcons side b is good for long combos, ya ik it's ass for air fights though

ProFish Oh I forgot about that it sometimes whiffs but it’s still a really good combo starter

But that was a custom move and not a special move that ganoondorf had by default so technically he doesnt use a sword. And besides, they literally just cropped a sword into his hand and called it a day.

m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QOliN6nVxP0.html Done, this dude is genius

Too broken in you dream gano is a clon but same time not and ganon is strong withour magic and sword.

Like Little Mac

This may not be the Ganon we know from the Zelda games, but this is the Ganon we know in Smash

No don't touch Ganondorf and instead introduced a new character called Gannon

Plus he can 0-death anyone with a move or two like it's nothing.

Zachery Gower that’s the king of evil for ya

You edited the post but still used the wrong “their”

@Shrike _ There I fixed it

ackshually that was a custom move which are banned in tournaments so technically he doesnt use a sword in sm4sh

@@pizzawonderer5024 But people used custom Palutena for Trophy Rush

@@monoko1234 yeah, but notice how i said TOURNAMENTS which is a completely different thing from trophy rush.

@@monoko1234 *HEAVENLY LIGHT*

@@pizzawonderer5024 But consider: Tourneys are not the only way the game is played, you can't base everything off that

Look up Mage Ganondorf

@@joshuabennett8256 i actually have that mod/played project xp and i love that ganondorf so much. I wish nintendo would put that ganondorf into ultimate

@@MartinRodriguez-jy5cx Let's face it Ganondorf battles in the Zelda series were never a challenge, except for maybe Pig Ganon. Ganondorf in Smash feels more hype by comparison. Dead man's volley, that weakest spell in villain history.🤦‍♂

Ganondorf never used a trident in his human form outside of a non-canon game, and was only a floaty mage in Ocarina. In most times he's been fought as a Gerudo, he has mainly used swords and some physical attacks. I'd rather not have my main become another floaty zoner, thank you.

“Fraternal echos” maybe?

Ganon is the only semi-clone in that entire line-up

I never thought of Luigi as a semi-echo fighter.

@Elijah Parker Exactly. Mario and Luigi are typically polar opposites.

There are actually three subgroups: Semi-Unique (Luigi, Lucas), Semi-Clone (Falco, Ganondorf), and Full Clone (Daisy, Dark Samus)

This. I’m a Zelda fanatic and ganon main and this ticks me off so badly lol

@@insertcoolnamehere8516 Ridley can barely recover also.

It's more along the lines of FALCON...............PPPPPAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNNCCCCCCHHHH

Well not for my standards

Who needs speed when you have an Armorslayer and Saitama's Punch?

His up and forward smashes are just copy and pasted from Ike and Cloud.

@@seniorshrek6197 at least he uses the power of DORIYAH

I think the real problem is "why does Ganondorf, a dude who uses either a sword or ranged magic, have a fighting style so similar to a dude who fights like an anime protagonist, despite it having little to do with his original game, if any?"

Ganondorf cant cuz his jump height is pathetic and he falls too fast. But kirby can thanks to his slow falling speed and multiple jumps, to top it off kirby even has a 1.2x damage and knockback multiplier to copied special moves.

@@pizzawonderer5024 no I think you confused Ganondorf's fall speed with Falcon as Captain Falcon falls faster while Ganondorf is slower while falling so it could be possible but I agree on the fact that he doesn't have the best jump height.

@@JustAguy006 Yea ive tested it and he cant land an aerial reversed warlock punch in a regular match.

@@pizzawonderer5024 ah okay I forgot to say that I don't have a switch and the game so thanks for correcting my mistake.

@@JustAguy006 I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not

Sm4sh player: "Wow, his smash attacks are different now? That's amazing!"

I was thinking that too lol

Yup! That'll be the next WTD.

@@AlexEXE how about Ryu and Ken ;)

But apart from their special attacks ALL of their moves are different

@@pizzawonderer5024 Still, would be nice to have some more in depth analysis

And previous smash but now it’s a semi clone

Especially since he's never used that sword in a single Zelda game and the animations he has with said sword are just reused from other characters.

@@thelavaslug5465 Yeah Smash Ultimate feels almost rushed in some ways. Link was updated to be his BotW appearance, but they barely even changed him. It should have been a full overhaul instead of him having remote bombs and basically nothing else. Young Link is fine as he is honestly, but Toon Link so pointless. At least give him unique items instead of the basic Link bomb, boomerang, and bow for specials. And don't get me started on how Peach/Daisy, and Richter/Simon have almost no differences and could easily be swapped between. Or how Chrom makes no sense with him literally appearing in Robin's final smash and even victory screen sometimes, which feels super strange. Or how Palutena's guidance was updated for Piranha Plant, yet none of the previous 5 new fighters (Plant was obviously finished and was just delayed to advertise the DLC). Or how the right platform on Pokemon Stadium 1 is slightly angled all of a sudden, which is clearly just a mistake. Yeah the game should have been updated post release beyond characters

@@thelavaslug5465 He uses a Sword in Twilight Princess. His Smash attacks should have been based of that game, but they decided to go cheap and just copy-paste over moves from Ike and Cloud.

@@petery6432 Yeah I know, but since that Sword has only been used in one game, and the rest of his swords are also exclusive to one game, I still feel like he should use his recurring trident. Or maybe revert Ganondorf to his Twilight Princess design with sword and magic fighting style and then make Pig Ganon his own character using the trident.

@@flamingpaper7751 Yeah, I definetly agree with you there. While I am satisfied with Ultimate overall, it just feels like it could have used a few more months of development time to flesh out the clones and make them feel more distinct. Also, I still find the Chrom situation really stupid. Like, would it have that hard replacing the Chrom in Robins moveset with someone like Lissa or Tharja?!

Because changing too much would have meant creating an exception to "Everyone is Here." And how many people actually _care_ about the F-Zero cast? Current Ganondorf mains don't just want to keep the moveset, they want to keep the moveset on a Zelda series character.

@@benhuang2773 Let's face it Ganondorf battles in the Zelda series were never a challenge, except for maybe Pig Ganon. Ganondorf in Smash feels more hype by comparison. Dead man's volley, that weakest spell in villain history.🤦‍♂

Ganon was a last minute addition to melee, a game that was already incredibly rushed. Falcon had a similar character model to Ganon (both tall humanoids) and so they just copied his moveset and tweaked it. Even Falcon himself was a product of time saving; in 64 Falcon was only added as a means of re-using the assets from the original demo build that just had generic fighters, which is why Falcon in smash has almost nothing to do with his home series either.

@@jimjam1556 At least Ganon embodies POWER.