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2:07 “you have to suffer your life, that’s how you gain wisdom, through suffering”. I agree. Also through investigating what we “think” we know, what we believe, and why. It’s not easy, it’s not comfortable, but it’s how we mature. It was shocking when I realized how deluded I’ve been (and still continue to be. ) Ultimately, that’s what I think spirituality is about, becoming a mature human. I don’t think spiritual teachings were ever meant to be taken literally, just to open us to a different perspective, and/or perhaps to break open the ones we cling to. But what do I know? Thanks Robert 🙏🏻❤️
Thank you Robert. Despite considering myself to be a non-dualist Muslim, you remind us all that there are practical limits to non-dualism in the way we conduct ourselves.
Thank you for this talk . I have a question : around time 8:30 Walter is mentioning projections , but where is the limit of projection ? What if projection is also just an idea? Was Hitler evil or he was just predatory animal like any other already existing in the Nature but with human - kind creativity in killing? Was he evil or its just human projection? And for whom as for some he was a savior. Thank you
You are most welcome. :) I would not say that projection is just an idea. It refers to an actual psychological phenomenon observable in human beings, so it is a valid idea. Other ideas are nonsense, and discerning the difference makes a difference. Another way to put the idea of projection is that what you see IS you. That does not mean that other humans--you used Hitler as an example--have no qualities of their own, but that you notice the qualities that you notice, while the person standing right next to you might see entirely different qualities. You said this yourself. Leaving Hitler aside, take the Hitler wannabe, Donald Trump, whom many nincompoops regard as a savior sent by God. From my perspective, including my professional opinion as a doctor of depth psychology, he is a pathologically narcissistic sociopath, and the people who view him as a savior are simply fools who understand nothing about either political history or psychology. Probably, many of those camp followers are attracted to his message because it gives them permission to indulge publicly what previously had to be hidden: racism, misogyny, hatred of the "other," etc. Others are like dogs who will roll over and show their bellies to any dog with a fiercer growl. This latter category includes the many politicians who see his defects but roll over anyway. I was born in 1945, and this is the worst I have ever seen. Whether the qualities we call good and evil exist objectively or are only matters of point of view is a profound question that I won't explore here. The point in the video is this: people who know me personally usually see me as kind, open, and gentle, so if someone finds "Robert" scary, it is most likely my way of regarding their cherished ideas skeptically that is scary, not me personally. Be well.
I don’t ever really see people weaponizing non-duality the way that everyone fears they will. Not saying it doesn’t happen, but there’s a ton of warnings without rigorous clarifications. “No one is absolutely responsible” makes people fear that people will use it to stop taking responsibility. BUT relative responsibility still appears. Obviously it’s relatively necessary for people to assume responsibility for actions involving the particular body directly associated with their unfolding in a society. No one is responsible, YET the appearance of a person taking responsibility may still arise. That seems like the more transparent way of seeing it. It’s all-inclusive. Nothing at all about the world and how people navigate it needs to change as a result of non-dual messages. I’d say anyone proposing that is the real danger to society, but I don’t really see anyone saying that. Maybe that’s just my blind spot, but it mostly just seems like a common fear of a hypothetical. The non-dual recognition is meant to be silently held in the heart as the hands move through the world.
I've just been bloc by a non-dual who simply couldn't take the evidence of her narrative and naturally made me an apparent apparence on her apparent YT page. 😂😂 Frankly, it's always a compliment et quite funny to be bloc by someone who insiste they dont existe. This being said, Love man.
Thanks, One Om. Don't fuck up again. Always remember that you don't exist at all because "THERE IS ONLY THIS" (whatever the fuck "this" is, they don't bother to say).
@@RobertSaltzman 😅😅😅 THIS I know, IT M'is, if you see what this means. Been on the spiritual wagon for so many decades before being taken out by This, Whatever the fuck This is, as you so well put it. I just love to play their word charade and get them mumbling, what else can I do 🤣🤣
For me, neither of those things do come, Derek, so I might not be the best one to ask. I have no so-called faith and no need for any gods either. Since you are asking, as I see it, "faith" means believing things for which there is no evidence and no good reason to believe, and the gods or a God are conceptual fantasies that humans cooked up in an attempt to explain the observable universe to themselves before science, beginning in the 18th century, made deities unnecessary as an explanation for anything.
@@RobertSaltzman thank you so much for your reply, in my early twenties I began a search.. a spiritual path and still I continue to search it's hard to find someone like yourself for guided or pointers.. what am I searching for? how can the desire to know to feel at peace be quenched? I ask you because you seem to have found it.
@Derek Kase I am going to do a couple of Zoom meetings in January, Derek, where people can ask questions. I will announce these meetings on my substack. The link is in the description. If you subscribe, you will get announcements of the dates and times and can attend and speak with me then if you like.
@@RobertSaltzman what you said here could relate to anyone and not especially non duality. Therefore the title is irrelevant. It also applies to your stance. Eg you saying you are awake. It’s not scary Robert. It might just be you have a stance like the rest of us. Believing I am awake or not is also a stance is it not.
Yes, Mark. We all have a point of view and no one can escape from that situation. I am not claiming a privileged view of the human condition, just an awake one. When I look around me and see the hypnotic trance that seems to hang over the human mind like a fog, it is apparent to me that I am free of it entirely. I call that awake, but that's just a word. Naturally, you can't see through my eyes and I am not asking you to take my word for anything. Apropos, Part Two has that great quote from, I think, Dogan, cited by Walter: "Never put someone else's head on top of the one you already have." I think Dogan was awake too. He's famous for it. He also, like me, advised people to snap out of it, just in different words. There are many awake people--some famous, some entirely anonymous. Regarding the title, on further consideration, you may have a point, so I see it was not out of your range at all. I called this "Part Two" because it followed after the part of the conversation shown in Part One which I assume everyone who wants to has already viewed. The entire interview was about nonduality. Part Two was about epistemological humility the lack of which is my prime critique of the nonduality industry and its claims.
@@RobertSaltzman thats a fair point about the video titles. You often make interesting and totally valid points. I don’t however understand the ‘an awake person’‚ thing. I can’t see through your eyes nor you though mine (or maybe ?). Saying you are utterly free of delusion does sound pretty privileged and if I may say so, quite unlikely. But not impossible I guess. I don’t know how you could know it if it were true. It would seem to me you would have to be above everything and have an objective perspective on everything including yourself and your own biases - and I don’t think that exists as a human being. But I think you also have said something similar. I suppose my question is - how can you know you are ‘entirely free’ from the hypnotic trance. ?
