What should you expect from force feedback?

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Force feedback is a crucial aspect of the simulation experience in sim racing.
It refers to the tactile and force effects transmitted to the driver through the steering wheel, providing a more realistic feel of the road, car dynamics, and other environmental factors. In simple terms, it's the connection between you and the car 😁
This video will try to give you an idea on what you should be expecting from the force feedback and how much of it is actually usefull/sufficient for you.
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@halilibrahimakkaya6663 8 месяцев назад

It was incredibly informative for a new enthusiast in sim racing (like me 😄). Thank you, Jason!

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@KeremYurtsevenOfficial 7 месяцев назад

I have always wondered why you were not aiming for an international audience when you possess such knowledge and experience. However, better late than never.

@eRacingAcademy 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for the nice comment 🙏 we will continue doing English content but also try not to forget our Turkish viewers too, but like you said, late is better than never 🤓

@Erdemtgl 8 месяцев назад

Böyle yabancı içerikler de güzel oluyor aslında, YDT ye girecek birisi için hem eğlenceli bir içerik. hemde ders tekrarı gibi 😃 ellerinize sağlık efendim.

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

Keyifli seyirler .. 🙏👍

@scottcrawford4655 7 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for this video. I’ve been looking to upgrade to a DD but was not sure about how much power I needed. Like you say I want to feel the car and not get worn out after a few laps because the weight/NM is so high. I’ve wanted to hear from someone who has race as a pro to state where a good middle ground is compared to a real car. Thanks you once again

@eRacingAcademy 7 месяцев назад

Thanks a lot for the nice message, it makes us happy if you can benefit even a little bit 🙏 now it's up to you to upgrade to what you want or need 😁

@rrrushan 8 месяцев назад

Thank you for the valuable information 😊

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

Glad it was helpful!

@rynosraceroom66 7 месяцев назад

Great content ! Thx man 🤘🏼🏁

@eRacingAcademy 7 месяцев назад

Glad you liked it mate, thanks for the support 🙏

@bugrahanilter9725 8 месяцев назад

finally an english content, this channel belongs to world audience

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

I appreciate your kind words. 🙏

@skynick77 8 месяцев назад

Liked and subscribed 👌🏻 just waiting for my P2000 (two pedals by the moment) to be shipped to start driving. Making some initial adjustments on simpro manager and ACC with Alpha base and gts wheel. Catching up all tips available as possible here and there. I found yours very useful.

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

Welcome aboard! 🙏👍

@BrokenWheelYT 7 месяцев назад

Başka bir dolu dolu içerik bulunan değerli bir paylaşım! Videoda emeği geçen herkese çok teşekkür ederim. Benim en büyük ve tek takıntım sadece direksiyon hissiyatının olabildiğince ''doğal'' olması yani gerçek bir GT aracın koltuğuna oturduğumda edinebileceğim direksiyon hissiyatını evimde kokpitimde olabildiğince yakın hissetmek istiyorum, daha önce hiç bir GT araç deneyimim olmadı ve GT araçlarının pistlerde verdiği direksiyon hissiyatı konusunda hiç bir tecrübem yok bu sebeple olabildiğince sosyal medya üzerinden pilotların POV videolarını izliyorum ki pilotların direksiyona tepkisi nasıl? Ne derece zorlanıyorlar vs. Belirtmek isterim ki şuan için elimde Alpha mini bulunmakta ve bu ürün senin de bildiğin üzere 10Nm torka sahip 13nm Peak tork çıkabilen bir base ve sanırım ''sweet spot'' diyebileceğim değere sahip. Daha önce bir çok aracı pistlerde deneyimlemiş bir pilot olduğunu bilerek ve sim racing ile yıllardır iç içe olduğunu ve fazlasıyla bu konuda da deneyim sahibi olduğunu düşünerek bir iki fikrini almak isterim, (video da bahsettiğin GT3 araçlarının direksiyona 6 ila 9nm bir kuvvet uyguladığı kısmı sanırım doğru anladım) mevcut donanım ile FFB gücünü kendi yazılımı üzerinden %100 ve Mini kullandığım için de yazılım üzerinden Max tork değerini de 10Nm tuttuğumda Mech. Inertia ve Damper değerleri ile oynayarak daha doğru bir hissiyat elde edebilir miyim ? Ben kişisel tercihten çok kim olursa olsun bir GT aracın direksiyonuna geçtiğinde hissedeceği kuvvetten bahsediyorum, kısaca bunu bire bir olmasa da en azından olabildiğince yakın bir deneyimi yaşamak isterim. :) Veya sence bu değerleri FFB100 fakat maks tork değerini dediğin gibi 6 ila 9nm arasında oynayarak mı yakalayabilirim ? Kafam çok karışıyor çünkü maks tork değerini düşürdüğümde diğer FFB hissiyatlarından ödün mü vereceğim yoksa bahsettiğin gibi dinamik ffb için daha doğal bir his mi yaşatacak ? Bunu hiç gerçek bir GT araçta yaşamadığım için kıyaslayamıyorum ve senden vaktin olursa bu konuda fikrini paylaşmanı isteyeceğim. Tekrar çok teşekkür ediyorum, sağlıkla kal.

@2.0zetecturbocougar44 2 месяца назад

Subbbed! Learn more and more watching different videos and how in detail you went. Thanks P.s. You kinda l👀k like Bradley Cooper lol

@eRacingAcademy 2 месяца назад

Thanks for the sub! Hope our videos can help. Bradley Cooper LoL 😖😲😘🤣

@Max__apex 4 месяца назад

100 💯 with regards to kerbs and road …. Makes no diff

@nmelol 6 месяцев назад

Do you mind sharing Alpha U settings for AC1?

@chotus69 7 месяцев назад

Just starting the vid now but I have a 9nm and it definitely isn't enough and wish I had more but dealing with it for now as been going threw alot lately and can't afford it .. to be honest I'm just thankful I'm still here to even be able to play racing sims lol

@eRacingAcademy 7 месяцев назад

So what did you think at the end :) Yeah, 9Nm is not enough for people who require that extra strength and higher dynamic FFB range.

@chotus69 7 месяцев назад

@@eRacingAcademyyeah still feel the same way. I am always running the 9nm as high as I can to the point I'm just starting to clip if something major happens as I like to feel weight behind the wheel but then if I hit the wall or something I will have no input as it goes beyond clipping lol. Maybe in the future I'll be able to upgrade for now I'm just happy to be sim racing again after my brain surgery a year ago, I'm still not working and just got to a point recently my eyes and body can handle it. My vision and process of fast moving objects have been out of wack and I use VR. but I think once starting it has helped my progress in real life as the g forces in real life mess with my head still but vision side is improving 👍 All that was prob pointless but just kinda came out 🤣

@eRacingAcademy 7 месяцев назад

@@chotus69 That was not pointless at all!! Thank you so much for sharing your personal life and experiences you have had recently. We are sorry to hear about them but also happy to hear that you are getting better. It's great to hear sim racing with VR is helping your vision and hand eye coordination recovery. We hope the best for you and that you get your old health back soon, and hopefully even better 🙏Keep on driving and contact us whenever you want ask a question.

@Mov1da 7 месяцев назад

nice video kanka, do you use the same settings for Assetto corsa? i used your settings on iracing and i liked them. Can u Share your assetto corsa Please

@eRacingAcademy 7 месяцев назад

i will post them very soon and update this post. 👍👍

@ArchOfficial 8 месяцев назад

I suggest turning feedback frequency to 0 and going down on both smoothing and feedback detail. All you're doing with these settings is adding delay and introducing spikes which you then filter out. The tooltips mostly lie and don't say what it really does. Probably need more damper too, but it'll depend on how the PID params are tuned. I know Mini needs quite a bit of damper for a realistic-ish PS feel. They all have the same chip so I don't think the sliders are actually different per wheel, but I could be wrong. I use 40/40/20 on damper/friction/inertia in AC, ACC and RBR. Of course real hydraulic damping or EPS damping function are not like the wheel driver damping, so it will depend what part you're actually paying attention to.

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

Hi there, thanks for sharing you thoughts on this topic!! Generally we have been avoiding that type of setting (we tried again now to make sure) as the lower setting smoothness just creates a lot rattling that does not feel natural. We don't particularly always want to feel every single bump or ripple on the road and with that low smoothness setting, it's just noisy and we don't think a DD should be that, especially when most of the race cars we drive on these sims have hydraulic steering system. The high damping, inertia and friction just make the wheel much heavier (harder to turn in and turn out) and lazier when a FFB is received. It feels duller as it is much harder to feel the Dynamic FFB fluctuation and range. We don't feel any delay that doesn't feel right or unnatural when the smoothness is at a higher setting As we said in the video, FFB settings are totally subjective and we prefer feeling the weight of the vehicle and it's rotation speed through change in direction. Other drivers may prefer other feelings with is totally subjective. Unless you are driving a go kart and want that feeling then I guess you would go for a very raw setting. But hey at the end of the which ever setting makes you quicker and more consistent wins :)

@ArchOfficial 8 месяцев назад

@@eRacingAcademy Well, if you are setting them up for esports/feel then sure, but I'm speaking more from a simulation standpoint. 3-4 smoothness is fine if you run "detail" at 0. Like I said, detail introduces spikes, which you only need high smoothness for because you introduced them. 0% effects is not a "kart" or "raw" feeling; karts probably have more friction than pinion gear setups. It's not as simple as "fx = fake".

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

@@ArchOfficial Hey again Arch! From this conversation, it is a very obvious fact that we both like our FFB set up in a different way which is probably the best thing about this topic being so subjective. There is no right or wrong cause you are not happy with our setting and we are not with yours :) For us FFB settings is a process that involves a lot of calculative trial and error in order to find the FFB setting that you feel most comfortable driving whilst getting the feedback you need. For this reason sometimes going according to the books may not help. Something similar to vehicle set ups, some set up changes you make would not apply to the real world but somehow they work amazing in the sim world. Coming to to the kart setting, you normally tend to feel all the bumps on the road as there is no suspension, and that the tyre diameter is much smaller than a road car tyre making you feel all the bumps a lot more, meaning you get a lot more road feed back. So technically if you wanted a more kart style feeling you would lessen the parameters that dampen and smoothed the FFB. I, Jason, respect you comments a lot and can not judge you for what you are saying as I do not know you or your back round (seems like you like your control systems :) ) but I can only comment and share my knowledge on my experience in real racing, knowledge in vehicle dynamics combined many years of sim racing and professional driver training. But hey this is the virtual world and rules are different (like in the Matrix :P ) and again the stopwatch wins :)

@BWE_Racing 7 месяцев назад

@eracingacademy what mic are you using for this video? The beginning standalone mic with no headphones.

@eRacingAcademy 7 месяцев назад

Hi there, it's the RODE Lavalier with the RODE micron connector and the RODE Lav-Headset rode.com/en/microphones/lavalier-wearable/lavalier rode.com/en/accessories/mounts-grips/lav-headset

@Yusuf-wp6lv 8 месяцев назад

Tekrardan selamlar abi, uzun zamandır sana mesaj atmaya çalışıyorum ancak otomatik olarak mesajım siliniyor. İlk öncelikle Ets2 gibi simülasyon oyunları oynuyorum. T300 RS(İki pedallı, debriyaj olmayan model) ile T248 arasında kaldım. T248 modelini alırsam yanına shifter alıp kullanabilirim ancak direksiyon modeli, kalitesi ve F1 kulakçıları hoşuma gitmedi. T300 RS modelini çok istiyorum ama debriyaj olmadığı için shifter alıp kullanmam mantıklı olmaz. İnternette araştırmalarım sonucunda pedalların şekline göre debriyaj tasarlayanlar var. Yerimde olsan hangi modeli tercih ederdin, T300 RS modelini alıp sonradan debriyaj alır mıydın? Şimdiden yorumların için teşekkürler.

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

Selamlar, Özellikle Ets2 veya City car driving gibi oyunlarda debriyaj ile sürüş yapmak tabiki de keyifli oluyor. T300 ün büyük avantajı simidinin değişebilir olması. T248'in eksi yönü, simidin sabit olması ve (kişiden kişiye değişebilir) direksiyon simidinin plastik ve suni deri ile kaplı olması. T248 yeni komponentlere ve daha iyi soğutma sistemine ve enkoder sistemine sahip. Bu sayede sürüş esnasında FFB'yi değiştirebilirsiniz. T248'in pedallarındaki hall effect sensörler daha uzun ve dayanıklı kullanım sağlayacaktır. T248 videomuzda da T3PM pedalları ile bir çok bilgiye değindik fakat, son karar senin fakat T300 simidin modlanabilmesi ve biraz daha fazla güç ile bir tık ön planda. T248 daha yenilikçi ve Pedallarındaki hall effect sensörler ile daha sorunsuz fakat dediğin gibi tasarım bir çok kişinin hoşuna gitmiyor. Oynadığın oyunlar debriyajı 2. kontrolcü olarak destekliyor ise bence sorun yok.

@mucahitsimsek1649 8 месяцев назад

Hi Jason! I have a question: What would you recommend to me? Set FFB settings to 100 on Wheelbase and higher or lower in the game depending on your taste? or in the game max and on WheelBAse higher or lower? Thanks!

@Dani_Jari 8 месяцев назад

FFB to 100 on Wheelbase,,, and set on your taste in the game.

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

As Dany's said, max on wheel and adjust game's ffb to your liking. Not too high or low. You have to find sweet spot for the best datails on it.

@nmelol 8 месяцев назад

When it comes to wheel height top of shoulder to grip level or top of pecs?

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

Hi there, i would say the middle of your hands to the top of your pecs but I would suggest you find the best for your liking and comfort 👍

@fredrikrosvoldaunet7615 8 месяцев назад

Hi, Can you please explain what mechanical inertia does, if you are using it and how much percentage? can you also share your baseline settings for gt3 on simagic wheel bases? Thanks! :)

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

Hi there!! Inertia is basically a parameter that simulates a type of additional weight to the wheel. More inertia means more weight but also that leads or means that you require more force to actually stop it rotating. It is something you should adjust with different wheel sizes or weights and it is something that will differ depending of vehicles. Too much inertia can lead to loss of detail during cornering and also unwanted oscillations. For that reason you need to be adjusting the damping also to get the most natural feeling. Does this make any sense at all? The settings you see in the video are for the Alpha U and honestly it is a good baseline for both LMP2 and GT3

@fredrikrosvoldaunet7615 8 месяцев назад

@@eRacingAcademy i tried your settings on a alpha and it feels nice :-) but you keep adjusting wrs, smoothening, dampers in the video so im not 100% sure which setting is correct?

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

FF 100 Smoothness 4-6 (depends on your liking) - 6 On this profile Wrs 8-13 (depends on your liking) - 13 On this profile FFB Det 2-7 (depends on wehiclee) -5 On this profile Max damp 2-10 (depends on your liking) -2 On this profile Mec Fric 5-15 (depends on your liking) -13 On this profile Mec inertia 15-30(depends on your liking) -21 On this profile FFB Freq 1-2 (depends on Sim) iRacing Needs 2

@fredrikrosvoldaunet3551 8 месяцев назад

what does the "-6 on this profile" mean?@@eRacingAcademy

@eRacingAcademy 7 месяцев назад

4-6 means between 4 and 6 so in this case it can 4 5 or 6 as you wish

@user-ol3lh9eo8g 8 месяцев назад

Altyazı koysan güzel olurmus

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

Alt yazı ve seslendirme ile ilgili planlarımız var. Şu an için sadece RU-vid otomatik çeviri ile izlenebilmekte.

@duarte11vieira 8 месяцев назад

Hi there, Simagic specific, whats your take on WRS? Everybody seems to not like it at 100 and use around 20 to 50. But for me if I not use 100 the wheel feels lazy and its like everything is in slow motion, is this very wrong?

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

Hi there :) As we always say, FFB settings are subjective as you adjust it according to your preference. We always like to adjust the wheel at around 80-100 percent and control the strength from the game settings. We do this with nearly all of the wheels we have tested and used. We know what there are people who prefer the complete opposite as you said but we can only say this is a preference. There is not one right or wrong, it is more about what you want to feel. Also if you feel the wheel is lazy, maybe you need to decrease the smoothing, damping and friction and playing with the spring and inertia also. This is very obvious to say but a slow, heavier and softer can will respond later and feel more lazy compared to a GT3 or single seater so we recommend trying all types of cars.

@fredrikrosvoldaunet3551 8 месяцев назад

Hi, Can you please explain what mechanical inertia does, if you are using it and how much percentage? can you also share your baseline settings for gt3 on simagic wheel bases? Thanks! :) @@eRacingAcademy

@eRacingAcademy 8 месяцев назад

@aliakgul4468 2 месяца назад

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@eRacingAcademy 2 месяца назад

Çark tuşu- Subtitles- Auto Translate- Türkçe.

@aliakgul4468 2 месяца назад

Türkçe hariç çoğu var (Vietnam-Tayca😅) ayrıcamı eklemeliyim son küçük bir destek daha 🙏🙏