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What system of democratic government is best? 

J.J. McCullough
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Let's look at the different ways that a political leader can be elected, using Kevin McCarthy as a case study.
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@georgeiii2998
@georgeiii2998 Год назад
Watched this video without knowing what was happening; 30 minutes later he's ousted. Wow.
@markk6060
@markk6060 Год назад
When I as younger I naïvely assumed that candidates had gone through some sort of vetting process that could ensure that they had a skill set which would make them at least likely to succeed. My expectations have been dashed by the overt and obvious way that money and celebrity now dole out candidates for us in the last 10 years. I’m also saddened by the sentiment that people don’t want to elect officials who are *gasp* smarter than they are.
@LucasBenderChannel
@LucasBenderChannel Год назад
And then there's Switzerland, whose leaders aren't determined by a national election at all. The same four parties are basically guaranteed the same level of power, no matter the outcome of an election. Coming from a fairly competitive democracy, that seems absolutely crazy to me. I can't wrap my head around how that's supposed to be legitimate. But whenever I talk to a Swiss person about it, they seem surprisingly chill and instead proudly tell me about all their forms of direct participation. Switzerland has a very weird and unique mix between elitist executive politicians, but direct democratic law making. Very weird, very unique.
@JJMcCullough
@JJMcCullough Год назад
I get the impression that Swiss people are also used to being constantly praised for their unique system, and have a patriotic culture that puts the system at the center of their identity. So I feel like Swiss culture isn’t super self critical of Swiss democracy.
@LucasBenderChannel
@LucasBenderChannel Год назад
@@JJMcCullough True, I also get that impression.
@Nl0R
@Nl0R Год назад
There is no perfect system and we swiss acknowledge that... but our system has worked rather well for us so we tend to look at it fondly. As for the same parties being in power, it's something we call the magic formula to form the federal council (no PM or president). 7 seats divided between the 4 parties with the most representatives in a 2-2-2-1 distribution. That can change if other parties gain power. We might someday have 6 or 7 parties of similar strength to form the federal council.
@LucasBenderChannel
@LucasBenderChannel Год назад
@@Nl0R I do get that and I'm not saying it's necessarily bad. But it does seem very weird to me, that a parliamentary election in Switzerland will not change the composition of the government. For instance, the Greens now hold more seats than the Center party, right? And yet, there's no Green member of the Bundesrat council. That way, the magic formula seems very rigid and in a way... not legitimate.
@nintendofan1749
@nintendofan1749 Год назад
Man coming back here is wild after what happened
@cjmakescontent
@cjmakescontent Год назад
I tend to think the public should have as much say as possible (within reason, obviously every decision can’t be done through direct democracy) . But it is frustrating how so many people prioritize culture war, personality issues over the actual policies and platforms. Feels like the conservatives here in Canada often barely have a platform beyond vague notions of lower taxes yet they still get votes.
@Xidnaf
@Xidnaf Год назад
I feel like there's an obvious solution to the problem JJ describes at 19:55: make the politicians rank all the nominees, and then chose the winner with an instant runoff system.
@JJMcCullough
@JJMcCullough Год назад
The problem with instant runoff is it assumes people will be happy with like, their sixth choice getting in power.
@randommodnar7141
@randommodnar7141 Год назад
@@JJMcCullough assuming anyone is happy the other way is a pretty big leap too tbh
@Xidnaf
@Xidnaf Год назад
@@JJMcCullough That's a reasonable concern, but like, at this point I've given up on "happy" and I'm mostly focusing on "not worth trying to start a civil war over." (Great video btw!)
@woltews
@woltews Год назад
so if you rank your ballot 1- Jesus 2- Hitler 3- Jeffry Daumier 4-Thanous then you are ok with your 2 or 3 choice ?
@Xidnaf
@Xidnaf Год назад
@@user-be1jx7ty7n That's a good point, but I also think instant runoff is the most democratic option. All the other options give disproportionate power to whoever's willing to dig their heals in and make the biggest fuss.
@bananenmusli2769
@bananenmusli2769 Год назад
In Germany it is the same as in Canada. The parties nominate a candidate for chancellor and the person is the center of the campaign, rather than political ideas. In the last election, the Green candidate led in the polls, but after she published a book which had a lot of plagiarized sections, her numbers fell and the Christian Democratic candidate then led the polls quite comfortably, until he laughed during an emotional speech by the President at a town which was hit by a flood where over 100 people died. His poll rates fell and the Social Democratic candidate got ahead, even though nobody thought a year before that the Social Democrats could win an election because they were at 15% at the beginning of the campaign and at the end they won because of personal mistakes by the other candidates and Olaf Scholz pretty much did nothing during the campaign and waited for the others to do something wrong, instead of offering better ideas. So people don't really care as much for politics as they do for personalities. And also there is the point of "tactical voting" where people don't vote for the party they like the most, but for parties which would prevent the opposing party from forming a government by not wanting to go into a coalition with it.
@watchit3746
@watchit3746 Год назад
14:52 FOR THE VIEWERS: To avoid confusion, the one showed in the photo from Bloomberg's news is Luigi Di Maio and not Giuseppe Conte.
@nathanprindler
@nathanprindler Год назад
This is a great video because I've thought about what an ideal democratic system might look like. Maybe something like the American system with the congress functioning more like a parliament. I like Italy's system of keeping the position of leadership open to anybody, only I think it would be better if the parliament picked the candidates, and then the people voted for who becomes Prime Minister. Btw, ranked voting fixes most of those plurality problems.
@nintendo7065
@nintendo7065 Год назад
Idk but for me the German system of elections seems way more democratic than the one in the US. Because in Germany, you have multiple very different parties with distinct interests and goals. And so if you want to become the Chancellor, you have to win a coalition that will satisfy the most diverse range of demographics from very different parties. And in the US, there's only two parties, and while inside of the parties you might have the choice for who to vote for, those people wouldn't really need to have some sort of compromise and coalition amongst the diverse things the population would want, instead only supporting their own party.
@jemalo36
@jemalo36 Год назад
As a German I must disagree. States and Municipalities have more freedom in the US than in Germany. The American democratic System is in theory more democratic than the German one. It is however ruled and manipulated by an elite class of society, so it is not so democratic in practice.
@baskoning9896
@baskoning9896 Год назад
A two party system is a complete joke of a democracy. And so is the 'winner takes all' on a state level. The Netherlands has 17.5 million inhabitants. 13.6 are old enough to vote. We have 150 seats in parliament. If you have 90667 people nationwide voting for you: you get one seat. We mostly vote for parties. We had 41 parties attempting to gain a seat. 17 got in parliament. There is no majority party. For each decision, or, more likely, a large volume of decisions, parties have to form coalitions. We have 4 parties in a coalition now that have a majority (and can thus negotiate and push their agenda). This creates a much more vibrant political landscape. A two party system is a complete joke in our eyes. Winner gets it all is the opposite of democracy: its the disfranchisement of all minority political groups. It creates a two party system that in the end is a one party system with two branches. Like in the USA now and before Trump. Then there is the fact that your political system is infested with lobbyists, that pay big money and is in bed with Big Tech, creating actual fascism according to Benito's definition (the merger of state and corporation), with propaganda, censorship, endless wars for profit, inflation, etc. To call the USA a democracy is reaching.
@BasicLib
@BasicLib Год назад
k good for you I guess.
@SirSX3
@SirSX3 Год назад
I actually quite like the Germany system. While it's true that you technically don't actually know who will be Chancellor, but you can generally guess based on the parliament distribution of seats. The parties generally wants to work with those closer to them on the political spectrum, but not always. If there is a more feasible coalition, they will pursue that option. You can have a mixture of left and right parties in government based on the parliamentary arithmetic, and it creates a moderating effect that prevents something too partisan or extreme.
@khouryma
@khouryma Год назад
Hi JJ, in Germany parties have developed the habit of presenting in elections for the national parliament the so-called "Kanzlerkandidat". Even though the chancellor is not elected directly by the people, the people have an idea (not unlike Canada) about who a party's preferred candidate is. The more critical challenges result from a "tail wags the dog dilemma", the need to enter into coalitions with other parties if the winning party does not have the absolute majority of seats in the parliament. Entering into coalitions with smaller parties will oblige the party with the relative majority to make concessions to these smaller parties so as to get their vote for the chancellor. In such situations sometimes the party with the lowest percentage of votes gets to impose its minority view on the absolute majority of voters just because it has the few critical needed by another party. Hence the dog does not wag the tail, but the tail wags the whole dog.
@Robogames05
@Robogames05 Год назад
Smaller parties entering coalitions also have to make just as many if not more concessions to the party with the most votes as that party has to make to the smaller ones, so at the end of the day the policies of this coalition should be a combination of those of all participating parties, with the bigger parties in the coalition able to enforce more of their policies in the coalition agreement. So overall I'd say that that is still pretty representative of what a majority of the people voted for.
@ifeeltiredsleepy
@ifeeltiredsleepy Год назад
Well this same situation happened in Canada as well. Trudeau has a confidence and supply deal with the social democratic NDP in return for introducing universal pharmacare and dentalcare.
@ellieflaggirl934
@ellieflaggirl934 Год назад
@@Robogames05 I agree with this wholeheartedly. Germany 🇩🇪 should be proud of the Weimar Republic-era democratic traditions (I’m an actor like Jreg/ well aware of the Cabarets of Berlin ;), instead of “accidentally” or inadvertently reverting to Nazism. Don’t worry, German 🇩🇪 police arrested various *actual Neo-Nazis* who may have threatened to plot a real-life coup. Not a good thing during **WWIII**/ The war in 🇺🇦 Ukraine. Shoutout #NATO. 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇸🇨🇦🇦🇺
@ellieflaggirl934
@ellieflaggirl934 Год назад
@@ifeeltiredsleepy I’m mixed on *Trudeau* but he is an attractive actor, despite the *Trucker Protest* where he may have threatened to send actual Tanks, not just *RCMP Mounted Police* against the *pro-freedom protestors*. That being said, I have more respect for the *NDP*, especially the one in British Columbia. Shoutout *Jreg*, he’s probably too far-to-the-left of *Justin Trudeau.* 🇨🇦 🍁 🇲🇶
@ridingweeb4801
@ridingweeb4801 Год назад
@@ellieflaggirl934 the political system of the weimar republic was so useless in its strive for equality that the parties rather had fistfights in the streets about who is right
@f_f_f_8142
@f_f_f_8142 Год назад
Germany does not technically require an absolute majority to elect the chancellor. It never happened but there is a weeks long process that ends with a rare political decision of the president: he can either appoint the candidate with the plurality to form a minority government or dissolve parliament going the "emergency election" route.
@chaosPneumatic
@chaosPneumatic Год назад
On the question of whether Plurality should rule, I think this could be resolved with a kind of run-off system; especially ranked voting. For example, in the situation with the Democratic primary, registered Democratic voters should have been able to directly vote for their preferred nominee by ranking each candidate in order of preference. This is basically how the UK Conservative Party selects their nominee, except I would give the vote directly to the voters who are registered to that party instead of to delegates and party officials. It still has problems, but I find it to be the most democratic option.
@lemonz1769
@lemonz1769 Год назад
But then they wouldn’t be able to use their smoke-filled room to decide 😅
@kaspianepps7946
@kaspianepps7946 Год назад
The UK _Labour_ Party rank their candidates (using the Alternative Vote system with all members of the party getting a vote). The Conservatives hold multiple votes of just MPs with the lowest performing candidate being knocked out each round (although it's common for other poorly perfoming candidates to also withdraw) until there are only two candidates that the members get to vote on.
@fructiferous
@fructiferous Год назад
i prefer approval voting, where individuals can cast a vote for every candidate they approve to hold a particular office. whichever candidate has the most approval wins. it avoids the wasteful extra rounds of tallying that can often happen in ranked choice voting.
@jasonbelstone3427
@jasonbelstone3427 Год назад
I wish to honor the founding fathers of my country (that my parents immigrated to), by suggesting an anti-populist measure. You know, to stick it to the plebs? Ranked-choice Voting, *BUT* slanted towards everyones secondary choices. Cause screw you for thinking the popular vote matters.
@chaosPneumatic
@chaosPneumatic Год назад
@@jasonbelstone3427 The founding fathers were not gods or prophets and they knew perfectly well that their plan for the country couldn't be perfect forever, which is why they allowed amendments. Originalism is as anti-American as loyalty to the British crown.
@johnburk6564
@johnburk6564 Год назад
In the US the number of presidential electors each state has is based on the number of members of congress each state has. Because each state has two senators, regardless of its population, many of us considered this an undemocratic system: states having a population of a million (or fewer) having much the same impact of states with 10s of millions of people. In recent memory, both Bush Jr. (in his first election) & Trump received a smaller popular tally than their opponents. Unfortunately, changing the constitution to correct this imbalance is an equally undemocratic and unlikely possibility.
@Joe__M
@Joe__M Год назад
Truly an award winning video. It actually made me do nothing but watch the video for a whole 25 minutes.
@JJMcCullough
@JJMcCullough Год назад
I love to hear it!
@rogink
@rogink Год назад
I agree. One of JJ's best.
@cfcreative1
@cfcreative1 Год назад
JJ what do you think of Klaus Schwab and Agenda 21 and the New World Order and links to Trudeau.... no ok I don't want to interrupt your leading the sheeple.
@cfcreative1
@cfcreative1 Год назад
U are just a sheep.
@smareng
@smareng Год назад
I often say I'll only watch the first 5 or something since I have to get back to work or whatever, but here we are.
@NeRdAlEhStErFErI
@NeRdAlEhStErFErI Год назад
In Australia we have a representative democracy, and the system usually works really well. Like Canada, we’re also a federation, and it’s a really fascinating blend the way the monarchy is integrated into our democracy, but there are a lot of people who would like to be a republic. It’s also pretty confusing though because our main parties are Liberal and Labour but the Liberal party is our more conservative party
@RealBadGaming52
@RealBadGaming52 Год назад
wow thats gotta be confusing
@StephanieJeanne
@StephanieJeanne Год назад
I don't have an answer as to which system is "best." As you pointed out, democracy is quite messy. I think we should always be trying to make improvements, though even that is difficult. Great topic! Thanks, JJ.😊
@thexalon
@thexalon Год назад
I'm reminded of the old quip about "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other ones."
@kenchristie9214
@kenchristie9214 Год назад
Democracy is only messy when you have a system that is chaotic crap. The U.S. system is anything but democratic. You have politicians dictating the electoral boundaries and the number of polling places. Voter suppression is rampant in the Red states.
@daerdevvyl4314
@daerdevvyl4314 Год назад
thexalon Churchill, I think.
@TheMitadog
@TheMitadog Год назад
I agree however I think there is too much direct democracy as much of the public does not have the capacity to think long term. Also in the US the constitution is being treated too much like a religious text and the Supreme Court has too much power
@ricardoxavier827
@ricardoxavier827 Год назад
A system that eliminates small parties access to have seats, are not a democracy. First we must count the total national to define the number of the seats per party, than we must choose by deputee territorial source. First the total national count, its the only way to not discriminate small parties, its the only way to be true democracy. About Belgium, you shown ignorance about the country. Its 1 country agaisnt people will. In fact, belgium are 3 diferent countries forced by monarchy to be 1. What happens in Israel its politicians guilty and not voters guilty. Voters must vite for ideology and not for government. Its the ideology based parties that needs to find a way to make coalition government. The french system are bad because the elected president at the second round, dont trully represent the majority of people votes, otherwise would have the same votes in the first round, and becausr its the elected president of the second round who defines government, its even less fair than the coalition parliament system to define government. USA are a 2 party autocracy, 2 elected wings full controled to the same not elected eagle.
@trouverunpseudomarrant9423
@trouverunpseudomarrant9423 Год назад
8:28 in fact this had become highly controvertial inside the partys since non of all the candidate elected by a primary had reach the second turn of a presidential election, LR the most important party that practiced primaries had say that they doesnt want to do that anymore since their last deafeat. And for local elections, from almost all the partys, the smoke filled room method is still the only methode. Having a system of numerous party and two turn elections made the systeme of party primaries not as important even if personaly I think it remain a good option worth trying especially when we are not satisfied with our local politician that seems unremovable.
@liftingskies8970
@liftingskies8970 Год назад
My government teacher told me that being chosen by your party as an elector (for the electoral college in the US) is a great honor, it’s like a status symbol showing that your party trusts you. So not that important to the American people, but if you want a career in politics it’s a great thing to be.
@TheMysteryDriver
@TheMysteryDriver Год назад
Most electors don't have more of a political career than that and being involved at the local level.
@Waldzkrieger
@Waldzkrieger Год назад
Same thing for delegates at party conventions. Being a party delegate is a reward for party loyalty.
@ricardoxavier827
@ricardoxavier827 Год назад
A system that eliminates small parties access to have seats, are not a democracy. First we must count the total national to define the number of the seats per party, than we must choose by deputee territorial source. First the total national count, its the only way to not discriminate small parties, its the only way to be true democracy. About Belgium, you shown ignorance about the country. Its 1 country agaisnt people will. In fact, belgium are 3 diferent countries forced by monarchy to be 1. What happens in Israel its politicians guilty and not voters guilty. Voters must vite for ideology and not for government. Its the ideology based parties that needs to find a way to make coalition government. The french system are bad because the elected president at the second round, dont trully represent the majority of people votes, otherwise would have the same votes in the first round, and becausr its the elected president of the second round who defines government, its even less fair than the coalition parliament system to define government. USA are a 2 party autocracy, 2 elected wings full controled to the same not elected eagle.
@fabriziovignati383
@fabriziovignati383 Год назад
@@ricardoxavier827 so all options sucks, is that your point? you know you are right let's delete all of this crap and put one person choose by god and when this person die let put his dinasty at power
@EpicMiniMeatwad
@EpicMiniMeatwad Год назад
@@fabriziovignati383 Lets go, establishing the Absolute Monarchy of the United States of America.
@joshvonterio687
@joshvonterio687 Год назад
I'm from PR China, whenever JJ asks his subscribers to think of their own country's democratic traditions or something like that, It will always be like well damn looks like I have nothing to contribute for this episode lol.
@SWProductions100
@SWProductions100 Год назад
Well, since you're here, how does the leadership work in China? Even if it's a different system, it's interesting to hear how it functions from someone who's lived there.
@redsamson5185
@redsamson5185 Год назад
how are delegates chosen for cpc party congresses?
@redsamson5185
@redsamson5185 Год назад
do you vote in local elections with secret ballots with the option to vote for or against the candidates?
@devilex121
@devilex121 Год назад
​@@SWProductions100 Non-chinese here but my understanding is that it kinda just works like a club (being a one-party state and all). You basically get more involved in local CCP activities and aim to move up the ranks as you would in a club (or company) in a Western state. Naturally, as with any large bureaucracy, you still have to deal with office politics and consider aligning with (or against) certain factions within the CCP.
@haojunli917
@haojunli917 Год назад
@@SWProductions100 The thing is we don’t even know unless one is a part of the communist bureaucratic machine
@jmax0330
@jmax0330 Год назад
I’m surprised you did not talk about Switzerland’s democracy. It is arguably the most direct democracy there is. Citizens get to vote on bills the legislature wants to pass. They are constantly voting for multiple reasons, they basically call a referendum whenever there is something big at stake. Also they have a plurality of leaders. There are 7 presidents I think or whatever they call them. Very interesting democracy maybe a follow up video?
@eljanrimsa5843
@eljanrimsa5843 Год назад
They call them Bundesräte. There is a president, but it's only a ceremonial role which rotates every year between the 7.
@RealBadGaming52
@RealBadGaming52 Год назад
@@eljanrimsa5843 ireland has started doing this, the two largest partys Finna Fall and Fina Gail voted in recently dont have enough votes to rule on there own so they [The two partys] went in colation and the position of Taosech (Prim minster) is roated between the leaders of the two partys every 18 monhts but a larger 3rd party Shinn Feinn in the dail (Our Parliments name) is ignored is unfair as there connected to Terrorists (IRA) i wonder will keep this system forever ? oh and smalerl partys like the green party ,People before profit(commies) and labour and so on are ignored in this system. (ie: I wrote our countrys party names phoneticlly so Our Forghien freinds can pronounce them, sorry fellow irish readers)
@eljanrimsa5843
@eljanrimsa5843 Год назад
@@RealBadGaming52 That is quite the opposite to the Swiss system. In the Swiss there is no Prime Minister, and it's not important who is President at the moment, because all decisions are made and implemented by all seven Bundesräte together. We expect them to be adults who are capable to come to a consensus decision. The Bundesräte are from 4 different parties which roughly represent the political spectrum from the last elections. But the party affiliation is not that important either because all important policy decisions will be voted upon by the general population four times a year.
@DorkMag00kunGrill
@DorkMag00kunGrill Год назад
My day always brightens up when I see you've posted a new video. Thanks JJ. 💙
@JJMcCullough
@JJMcCullough Год назад
Thank YOU for being such a loyal watcher!
@DorkMag00kunGrill
@DorkMag00kunGrill Год назад
@@JJMcCullough 💙💙💙
@AdrianJaime-uf8db
@AdrianJaime-uf8db Год назад
I am eating ice cream and went on RU-vid to watch while eating. I chose this vid, a high compliment good sir.
@cfcreative1
@cfcreative1 Год назад
JJ what do you think of Klaus Schwab and Agenda 21 and the New World Order and links to Trudeau.... no ok I don't want to interrupt your leading the sheeple.
@russ.harding3d
@russ.harding3d Год назад
Thanks for the insightful video JJ! The only thing coming from Australia to Canada that really surprised me is that Canada doesn't use preferential voting... Which is an easy way to ensure that the people's will is accurately reflected in their vote, and 'strategic voting' and distorted results are minimised. Any word on why it's not a thing here? Oh also mandatory voting helps too. Keep up the good work!
@Luke-vb3yl
@Luke-vb3yl Год назад
I wish we had the Australian electoral system over here in the U.K.
@metsfan1873
@metsfan1873 Год назад
The US is interesting here. Each state decides for itself, how to elect its members of Congress. So Alaska and Maine now use "single transferrable vote" and Louisiana has FPTP but (French-style) it demands an outright majority and might need another round to get it, with only the top few still competing. The rest are FPPT and accept plurality outcomes on a per-seat basis. So that's THREE different systems, as each state has decided to do it. (And probably if looked at them closely, each of the 50 systems differs in smaller ways.) And yes, they are all perfectly Constitutional under the Federal Constitution. And yes, that's how they send people to the Federal Congress. (It's also how they choose in-state officeholders too.) If a state decided to use party lists, or multi-seat districts, or who knows what-all, they probably could. I suppose you could invent a system that isn't Constitutional, but you'd probably have to violate equal representation to manage that. You'd pretty much have to bring back some form of segregation, to make it actually unconstitutional.
@SolomonUcko
@SolomonUcko Год назад
@@metsfan1873 Isn't Georgia majority, at least for governor?
@jsnrvst
@jsnrvst Год назад
I wish. In Canada we don't have it because not enough people care, and those care don't all agree which electoral system is best. There's also a sense that preferential voting systems favor centrist party, which is why the Liberal party somewhat supports it, and no other party does.
@metsfan1873
@metsfan1873 Год назад
@@jacobcooper5514 I assume you have to a point to make hidden in there someplace?
@Craxin01
@Craxin01 Год назад
I live in Oklahoma and our primary system requires you to be a party member to participate. I'm registered independent, so I'm not even allowed to have a say in which candidates run for office. I do think it's a bit odd to have an election to determine who you're going to vote for in an election. Why not an election to determine who is going to be available to vote for in the primary? Why not an election to decide who'll be in THAT election. At some point, it becomes quite regressive. Donald Trump never won a majority in any election he participated in, primary or main election, yet he was president for 4 years and damned near killed our nation with his little coup attempt.
@thomasgoenner9320
@thomasgoenner9320 Год назад
Hey JJ! Love your content! Some words on Germany, i was a candidate in the last federal Eletion for the Green Party, we are part of the Scholz Gouverment. Our System to apoint our candidates is in the Districts by a Party Vote (a bit Like a Caucus in Style). The second Option is by state List, the List is also voted on by a state convention of each Party. The convention is different in style from party to party, sometimes all atending party members can vote and sometimes delegates which are elected on the county level. At the end the candidates for parlament are elected by a combination of distric results end state results of the Party. If you win the most votes in the districts you are running you are elected, possible is also via state results this elects a number of peopel from the state list. To become a candidate for Chancellor is mostly symbolic and also different from party to party. Scholz got a "vote of confidence" by his partys board but was elected by the delegates of his partys federal convention. Its important to understand that this is vote by the party convention is not meaningless, these votes are often highly competetiv and holed the true power in every German party. Fun fact, like the speaker of the House, it is not guarenteed that the members of parlament vote to make the head of the strongest party chancellor. In the 70s and 80s the conservatives were the strongest party but the social democrats and the liberals head allways a majority to build a coalition gouverment which is normal in Germany. The Chancellor does not need to be e member of parlament, you just need to be a German citizen and get a majority. This also happend allready in the 60s. Hope to see more of your great videos and greetings from Germany!
@jak3w
@jak3w Год назад
My dog was a candidate for the green party
@globalpoliticsman9523
@globalpoliticsman9523 Год назад
Did you win your District
@useless_name
@useless_name Год назад
The most important thing to understand the German system is that the government is formed by a coalition. We might not have so much direct control over who becomes chancellor but by having more than two choices on our ballots, we have much more control on the style of government we get under whatever chancellor.
@thomasgoenner9320
@thomasgoenner9320 Год назад
@@globalpoliticsman9523 nope, my district is in Baden-Württemberg and pretty Conservative.
@moisuomi
@moisuomi Год назад
@@thomasgoenner9320 Wait, isn’t your minister-president a Green? Then again, you are speaking of a district which could be more supportive of the CDU. Also despite your minister-president being part of the Green Party, isn’t he kind of a conservative himself?
@Blaineworld
@Blaineworld Год назад
Haven’t watched the video but earlier I saw a gravestone that said McCullough on it. I didn’t have time to read the rest of the text if there was any as I was driving.
@chris7263
@chris7263 Год назад
It's fun to think about questions like this that really don't line up with modern left/right political alignment. I find myself weirdly torn; on the one hand I think contemporary populism shows exactly why too much direct democracy can be bad, and yet as an American I got a huge kick of pride when you said we were among the most anti-elite.
@Sorcerers_Apprentice
@Sorcerers_Apprentice Год назад
I don't understand why elitism is seen as a bad thing in the US? Don't you want an elite surgeon in charge of your surgery? Don't you want an elite fighting force in charge of an anti-terrorism operation? Saying something is bad just because it's 'elite' just becomes a brush to blindly tar something as bad without any critical look at the details or merits of the thing itself. Direct democracy can be good for very simple things like a starting point on police i.e. asking if people want marijuana or abortion legalized. Not so much for something super detailed and complicated like international trade deals or long-term foreign policy.
@lancerd4934
@lancerd4934 Год назад
It's not really true though is it, given the existence of political dynastic families, the average wealth of American politicians, or the proven fact that public opinion has no statistically observable effect on legislative activity, or the causative relationship between large campaign contributions and policy decisions.
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 Год назад
@@lancerd4934 alot of that applies all over the world though.
@brokkrep
@brokkrep Год назад
@@chickenfishhybrid44 How does that help?
@tommarsdon5644
@tommarsdon5644 Год назад
@@chickenfishhybrid44 well, lobbying does tend to be particularly bad in the US, increasing the amount of influence being rich has.
@WeyounSix
@WeyounSix Год назад
Hey JJ! Thanks for the upload! I wanna say that though I don't dislike your cultural literacy videos, I really do enjoy this more political system type of educational video. They really are something else that I appreciate and very unique. Love your content!
@reshpeck
@reshpeck Год назад
He explains things so well, and I can say that as I am steeped in this political stuff. For that reason, I prefer his cultural analysis because I am not nearly as exposed to that sort of content.
@clintonharvey2384
@clintonharvey2384 Год назад
I’m down for anything he puts out but you’re right this is a good format, but his knowledge is so vast and amazing it’s hard to corner him into talking about one thing since he’s so friggin’ smart.
@andrewshanks7053
@andrewshanks7053 Год назад
One thing I find amusing about the issue of faithless electors in the US is that the biggest movement I was aware of for electors to use their discretion in the states they were legally allowed to was when electors proposed a pact to vote for the winner of the national popular vote rather than their state's vote - arguably planning to use their indirect discretion to make the presidential election more direct.
@B3NSON
@B3NSON Год назад
I always love your videos JJ 20-30 minutes is the perfect length to have enough interesting content whilst also not being too long and overbearing on the viewer
@Will0398
@Will0398 Год назад
I live in Kevin McCarthy’s district (CA-20), the most Republican leaning district on the West Coast. Although he usually wins his seat with 60% of the vote, most Republicans are split on him, with the very right-wing Trumpers hating him but still voting for him anyway since he’s not the sacrificial lamb Democrat running.
@Ari--d
@Ari--d Год назад
i find it funny that both house reps have been californians. Maybe because it is the biggest state (by pop)
@lelandunruh7896
@lelandunruh7896 Год назад
Is he as dim in person as he is on TV? Sometimes I've found that not to be the case.
@TokyoXtreme
@TokyoXtreme Год назад
“Very right-wing Trumpers” LOL. Obviously you don’t know what it means to be “right-wing”. Trump would’ve been liberal in 1995; Bill Clinton was further right FFS.
@SingingSpock
@SingingSpock Год назад
Huh, weird seeing someone else from my district who probably lives within a few miles of me in these comments. I hate McCarthy (primarily for his flip-flopping and eventual permissiveness towards the attempted insurrection) and vote blue on that seat no matter who, but the primary will indeed be interesting, especially considering how California does it now.
@cfcreative1
@cfcreative1 Год назад
JJ what do you think of Klaus Schwab and Agenda 21 and the New World Order and links to Trudeau.... no ok I don't want to interrupt your leading the sheeple.
@Christopher_TG
@Christopher_TG Год назад
"Democracy is the worst form of government ever conceived except for all other forms that have been tried." - Winston Churchill
@cosmosyn2514
@cosmosyn2514 Год назад
“rEaL cOmMuNiSm HaS nEvEr BeEn TrIeD” - Twitter Communists
@MatameVideos
@MatameVideos Год назад
Underedieraidiradoodoo -Winston Churchill
@bradbell4022
@bradbell4022 Год назад
It's funny because Churchill was an aristocrat, born in Blenham Palace. (Look the palace up. It's funny.) Aristocracy and democracy are antithetical. British politics is 100% class war. Democracy is the working class winning
@ricardoxavier827
@ricardoxavier827 Год назад
A system that eliminates small parties access to have seats, are not a democracy. First we must count the total national to define the number of the seats per party, than we must choose by deputee territorial source. First the total national count, its the only way to not discriminate small parties, its the only way to be true democracy. About Belgium, you shown ignorance about the country. Its 1 country agaisnt people will. In fact, belgium are 3 diferent countries forced by monarchy to be 1. What happens in Israel its politicians guilty and not voters guilty. Voters must vite for ideology and not for government. Its the ideology based parties that needs to find a way to make coalition government. The french system are bad because the elected president at the second round, dont trully represent the majority of people votes, otherwise would have the same votes in the first round, and becausr its the elected president of the second round who defines government, its even less fair than the coalition parliament system to define government. USA are a 2 party autocracy, 2 elected wings full controled to the same not elected eagle.
@progrockmorelikefrogc0ck157
Good thing america isnt and never was meant to be a democracy
@SamueltehG33k
@SamueltehG33k Год назад
As a former RNC Delegate, I can say first hand how delegates were chosen had a huge effect on what type of people were at the convention.
@SoftCrunch917
@SoftCrunch917 Год назад
Could you elaborate?
@italiano120
@italiano120 Год назад
Hi JJ, the system we have in Italy is more complex actually. It is not the parliament who chooses the prime minister, but it is the president of republic who nominates someone prime minister who in turns has to get a majority confidence motion by both parliament houses. When a prime minister get a no confidence motion or resigns, it is again the turn of the president of the republic who have to try finding a new name for prime minister and only if not possibile dissolve both houses and call new election (this happens quite rarely). Some of this procedure is not written in the costitution but has become in decades a constitutional convention.
@JJMcCullough
@JJMcCullough Год назад
The presidents role doesn’t seem that significant since it is ultimately the parliament that has to affirm the nominee, and the president doesn’t pick a nominee unless he knows the parliament wants him. So it seems to me that it is possible to imagine the system working without a president at all.
@LordDim1
@LordDim1 Год назад
This is pretty standard in most parliamentary systems. The head of state (be it president or king or what have you) will designate a person as prime minister, if they are satisfied they can hold majority support in parliament. Some countries will then have an investiture vote, where parliament formally votes to confirm the designation (Italy, Spain, Sweden), or they don’t, and the appointment is simply official until a vote of no confidence is filed in parliament and won by the opposition (UK, Canada, Norway)
@italiano120
@italiano120 Год назад
@@JJMcCullough all the non-politician prime ministers in the last 15 years has been picked by the president of the republic often against the will of the leaders of the political parties in the parliament. The president of the republic, with an high popularity and authority, kinda said selecting those names that he was acting in the best interest of the country contrary to the party leaders and the parliament and that they had to accept his will. And so they did. At the end of the last president's term his role had grown so much that he was nicknamed "King George" and many political scientists believed Italy had become a semi presidential republic de facto. The current president has streched his consitutional prerogatives quite less, but still when was forming a new cabinet a few years ago he refused to nominate minister of economy a guy proposed by the appointed prime minister because of his political views. And the constitution does not say he has this power; for sure is not the excercise of a cerimonial role.
@nirad8026
@nirad8026 Год назад
@@JJMcCullough The symbolic role of the head of state is not just to exist. They do have a limited scope of powers, very important in order to balance out the the other branches of government. In today's system, where the executive branch takes all the lead, a state without a head of state 1) leaves too much space for confusion of powers, and subsequently leads to a de facto dictatorship of the executive aka the government 2) leaves the country headless, as it no longer has a person to represent the state. A system without a head of state de facto establishes a presidential system, but without separation of powers. It's called "confusion of powers" for a reason.
@andreageuna6649
@andreageuna6649 Год назад
@@italiano120 what you've said is wrong. The President of the Republic in Italy actually has the full and autonomous power to appoint whoever "Prime Minister" (whose correct name is "President of the Council of Ministers") and to refuse to nominate whatever Minister proposed by the President of the Council of Ministers. The powers of the President of the Republic in Italy is checked and balances by the Parliament, as in every Parliamentary System. I.e. the Government is full in office only after a confiance vote of the Parliament. Whenever Italian people choose a strong Parliamentary majority (such as in 2022), the President of the Republic knows his powers are to be harshly counter-balanced. Whenever Parliamentary majorities are weak post-electoral coalitions (such as in 2018, 2019 and 2021), the powers of the President of the Republic may extend because they are not supposed to be counter-balanced
@GrievousReborn
@GrievousReborn Год назад
Always a good day when JJ uploads a video.
@VagabondRetro
@VagabondRetro Год назад
Voting methods are a very fascinating and complicated Field. It seems like each system, from Instant Runoff to Approval voting has major issues but the one we most commonly used (plurality voting) is definitely the worst.
@andrewrollason4963
@andrewrollason4963 Год назад
IRV which is what we use in Australia, means that every single member of the House has the consent of at least 50% of their electorate.
@SolomonUcko
@SolomonUcko Год назад
What major issues do you see with approval voting?
@andrewrollason4963
@andrewrollason4963 Год назад
@@SolomonUcko Approval voting is just slightly fancier FPTP and doesn't address the question of consent.
@VagabondRetro
@VagabondRetro Год назад
@@andrewrollason4963 This is not accurate at all. See my link for an explanation.
@kitkitos
@kitkitos Год назад
It feels like direct democracy makes voters more responsible for their choices, because they have no one to blame for the "misrepresentation" but themselves then
@jasonbelstone3427
@jasonbelstone3427 Год назад
They will never blame themselves. you kidding me?
@kokofan50
@kokofan50 Год назад
Tell that the to the classical Athenians.
@Arkantos117
@Arkantos117 Год назад
All they'd do is shift the blame to the people informing them on their voting options.
@agbarugo
@agbarugo Год назад
In a small community, yes. But imagine 300 million US citizens voting for every piece of legislative or executive action...it's a logistical nightmare.
@bopete3204
@bopete3204 Год назад
Brexit tho
@concentratedcringe
@concentratedcringe Год назад
Here in Australia we have a parliamentary system similar to Canada and Germany. However, because we don't use the 'first past the post' model, the parties and candidates we elect don't usually have this issue. At the ballot, we number our representatives by preference (hence why it's called preferential voting), and this means that a candidate/party/etc can always have a true majority of the vote. If I number my ballot as Greens [1], Labor [2], etc, then even if the Greens don't get a majority, I can still count on Labor getting my run-off vote, which frees me from worrying about 'taking votes away' from Labor. I seriously think switching to preferential voting would help so many other countries immensely. I could also talk about how mandatory voting (another thing other nations should adopt) affects this, and how the Hare-Clark voting model Tasmania uses is even better than preferential, but I feel like this comment is long enough already lol.
@romainsavioz5466
@romainsavioz5466 Год назад
But still you don't vote for a prime minister or at least not directly (prefering one candidat not for the candidat but for the leader of that party)
@concentratedcringe
@concentratedcringe Год назад
@@romainsavioz5466 Aye, that's why I described it as a parliamentary system (which it is). He mentioned this in the video.
@WanukeX
@WanukeX Год назад
When Trudeau was first elected in 2015 he promised to implement electoral reform, and it was pretty clear he wanted to Implement Preferential Voting (or as we call it in the US and Canada “Ranked Choice voting”). When he set up an all party parliamentary committee to recommend an electoral reform system, it recommended proportional representation instead (A system like the Single Tranferable vote like Australia uses in the Senate, Hare-Clark, or New Zealand’s MMP where the % of seats in parliament is correlated to the % of the vote a party receives). Trudeau then stated there was “No consensus” and dumped electoral reform from his platform.
@xrimn9294
@xrimn9294 Год назад
Germany isn't FPTP either. People get two votes, one for a person and one for a party. Half of parliamentary seats are given to the people directly elected to represent their district, and the other half is filled up with people from party lists so parliament overall matches the proportional outcome of the party vote. Which is the reason our parliament is so big. So the party vote usually is much more important. Parties need a minimum of 5% of the votes or three directly elected candidates to have their party votes count, to avoid the Weimar republic's problem of too many parties, and this is a point if contention. The other is, what happens when a small party gets many direct seats. Currently, the other parties get more seats until the balance is reestablished, but this has become increasingly problematic with people consciously splitting their vote, because we started facing a parliament with 800 delegates for 299 districts. So they changed things up for the next election to stay within the nominal 598 seats. We'll see how this goes.
@grude45
@grude45 Год назад
Great video J.J. The first country i think of when you talk about direct democracy is Switzerland. From what i understand they get to vote on most if not all their laws and who the elected officials are doesn't matter too much. I'm from Norway so i know next to nothing about swiss politics, but that's my understanding of their system. Anyways that might be a topic to explore in a video.
@nicholasengel9823
@nicholasengel9823 Год назад
It's more along the line of if enough signatures are collected in the three months after a law has passed, the people can vote on if the law should exist
@ShadowSkryba
@ShadowSkryba Год назад
@@nicholasengel9823 Okay, that is an amazing control mechanism, how many?
@nicholasengel9823
@nicholasengel9823 Год назад
@@ShadowSkryba after the law is passed by congress you need to collect 50000 votes in 100 days for a referendum. So it is usually not too hard if the law is somewhat controversial
@ShadowSkryba
@ShadowSkryba Год назад
@@nicholasengel9823 now that is a viable form of direct democracy, if every citizen could/had to vote on every bill everyone would have gone insane
@Nl0R
@Nl0R Год назад
@@ShadowSkryba we can also propose changes to the constitution and if 100000 signatures are gathered, we vote. It's called a popular initiative.
@Абдулло-щ3е9э
@Абдулло-щ3е9э Год назад
Interesting you didn't mention Switzerland when it comes to direct democracy. That generally tends to be the go to example.
@starvingpeoplecantcomplain
@starvingpeoplecantcomplain Год назад
The best form of democracy is a parliamentary system with a directorial executive that has the principle of collegiality and where every major party is represented. Also to offset the indirectiveness of this form of government and to increase the participation of the public, the system should also permit/encourage people’s initiatives and referendums. In short the form of government of Switzerland. One perk of it is also that it hinders the creation of cults of personality. I usually abhor patriotism but i am proud of our form of government even though it also has its flaws
@Jamandabop
@Jamandabop Год назад
The smoke-and-mirrors style is only acceptable in a multiparty system where new parties can come and go. If you're stuck with two options that never go away, primary elections are necessary.
@LuziFearon
@LuziFearon Год назад
I think an important addition for germany is missing - every party has a party programm that is somewhat binding, so you don't just 'let them do there secret meetings and trust them', its a public contract that they feel bound to the party programm so the voter knows where they want to go and what to expect
@DadCanInJapan
@DadCanInJapan Год назад
As a Canadian, I find it interesting that the political parties basically use a ranked voting system to elect their leaders and yet they think the public too stupid to use a ranked voting system in the ridings.
@matteorenner1386
@matteorenner1386 Год назад
Probably because the American public IS too stupid to use a ranked voting system..... lol
@jsnrvst
@jsnrvst Год назад
I don't think that's the reason. The reason is that different voting systems favor different kinds of parties. Preferential voting systems tend to favor centrist parties, which is why the Liberal party supports it but other parties don't.
@MrNicholasAaron
@MrNicholasAaron Год назад
@@jsnrvst They support it when they're not in power. If I remember correctly it's been about 100 years since the Liberal party first suggested a change from FPTP, but magically forget about it every whenever they win power through FPTP.
@DadCanInJapan
@DadCanInJapan Год назад
@@MrNicholasAaron I think a big reason why they don't follow through with it is because it wouldn't be able to get passed. The Conservatives, for one, always spread the lie about some people voting more than once. With the disinformation and the resistance to change, it is doubtful that it would become law. That is what I am referring to. The Conservatives, for one, use it to elect their own leader but then refuse when it comes to the public because they know a majority of the public would not vote for them. Slightly hypocritical.
@devilex121
@devilex121 Год назад
@@MrNicholasAaron I'm still salty af about the libs just dropping electoral reform from their campaign promise. My riding is super liberal though so any vote (esp for NDP) just ends up being wasted and not really reflected in parliament.
@tylerkochman1007
@tylerkochman1007 Год назад
Also, in primaries in the US, we have further complications. Some states are open primaries, where you can vote in either party’s primary regardless of your party affiliation. Others are semi-closed, in which independent/unaffiliated voters can vote for either party but those registered with a party must vote for that party’s primary. Other are closed, where you can only vote if you are registered for that particular party (independent/unaffiliated voters can only vote on nonpartisan races/ballot questions in such a primary system).
@tylerkochman1007
@tylerkochman1007 Год назад
Also, for president, you are actually electing DELEGATES to the convention. Essentially, electors for the nomination.
@luisdergroe8944
@luisdergroe8944 Год назад
Another argument here is the idea of a United government. The USA famously regularly ends up with a Congress majority that’s opposed to the president, which often leads to tension and gridlock. Letting a parliament elect a prime minister at the very least guarantees that a workable relationship exists and the country is governed. I also think it has a lot to do with options a voter has at Election Day. Americans are used to have two viable candidates and therefore everything that happens before Election Day becomes quite important. Germany is a good example of the opposite, because even though the parties are quite autonomous, German voters have 6 (or 7 depending on where you live) parties to choose from that will likely be represented in parliament (and therefore keep their vote from being ‚wasted‘). Germans care far less about the nomination process, because if they don’t like the nominee, they aren’t stuck with it at Election Day.
@chris7263
@chris7263 Год назад
I've thought something similar; that our primary system in the US sort of simulates a multi-party election with a final runoff at the end. Not perfectly of course, since the actual 3rd parties are still there and can have a spoiler effect.
@robertjarman3703
@robertjarman3703 Год назад
One problem is that this isn´t necessarily inherent. The US does not proportionally elect their legislature, and if they did, the Democrats would have had more seats in 2012 and 1996, during Democratic presidencies, and there are other examples for Republican presidents (who won the largest number of votes). Also, the presidential elections are not direct in fact and don´t use runoffs if nobody has a majority. The US also does not have a harmonized system to determine eligibility and the conduct of elections like most countries do, so it is hard to know whether a party does enjoy confidence. I also add that the Senate has a lot of power over legislation even where the matter does not concern states and their autonomy, like passing a federal budget, this is a major contrast to many other countries, even federations. Plus, the US has midterm elections, amplifying the chance of the Congress being opposed to the president as opposed to if they were elected for four year terms in each house just as the president is. It would be very interesting what would happen if the US didn´t do federal midterms but harmonized the elections.
@Croz89
@Croz89 Год назад
@@robertjarman3703 I do wonder if non-proportional systems are common in countries with lots of low density rural areas, which argue that their voting base is so small as to be effectively powerless, therefore they need a system which favours them over urban areas.
@robertjarman3703
@robertjarman3703 Год назад
@@Croz89 Not really. Brazil is not very dense by world standards, but uses PR. India is very dense and uses plurality.
@robertjarman3703
@robertjarman3703 Год назад
@@shorewall The US isn't at the point of Congress merely being a check on the president but to the point where immensely critical legislation is not even being voted on despite opinion polls being so overwhelmingly in favour of certain policies. The Congress is not supposed to be this hapless. It has immense constitutional power. In order for Congress to be a check it must be coherent and relatively unified and not too much so preoccupied for the better part of a decade or even more than one decade on ideas that gained majority support 20 years ago. And Congress has immense difficulty with passing things that remain popular election after election. The state legislatures are similarly designed to be checks and balances but pass far more critical legislation, even if the party balance between legislature and governor or the house and senate in the state are incongruent, they still pass huge numbers of bills. The Book of the States goes into detail about how many bills are passed per state, also tracking vetoes. The state senate would be unlikely to do something like delay an important nomination, knowing that they themselves must be reelected come November and that a governor must have the largest number of votes to win. The ideas I have aren't just about the balance of power between the two branches either but the basic legitimacy of the government of the US, like how judges of federal courts can only be legitimate if the president who named them is more popular than any other rivals in the election, and won because they clearly got a majority of votes and not by any kind of arcane and byzantine rules people don't intuitively understand, and that the president can only have constitutional power to check a democratically elected legislature if they themselves are just as legitimate via the electoral process, things like the sole right to nominate so many federal officials and decide on their dismissal or to use a veto power, or to have the right to not be dismissed from office except by impeachment and conviction, or to pardon people for serious crimes against society and their particular victims. The Congress likewise cannot have legitimate powers to do things like control the budget or to pass laws or to decide fo give something the people own away without being fairly and freely chosen by that population in a harmonious manner that likewise is not byzantine or unintuitive and gives equal chances to all candidates differentiated only by the degree to which they abide by the constitution and serve the needs and desires of the people, otherwise they give away the legitimacy to the president even over matters a president should not have like to direct so much of America's military or foreign policy strength alone.
@mbag4
@mbag4 Год назад
JJ, have you ever looked at the politics of school boards? interesting how they are elected officials and work every day jobs a lot of them or are retired. I work in a school system and it is a gateway into politics for some too. there was also that insane story about that guy in California who trolled the school board after he got elected. some places are getting rid of the school board election systems and school boards all together in the USA. I am also curious about "school boards" in other places like canada or europe. the education systems and politics of education vary from place to place incredibly, yet are so critical to the infrastructure of a healthy public.
@Croz89
@Croz89 Год назад
The UK has governors, but AFAIK all positions are appointed by existing governors.
@petemartin6270
@petemartin6270 Год назад
i feel like American society has gone to two different extremes here, in the modern era: on the one hand, day to day life seemingly requires experts for Everything. from cleaning windows to delivering food to plumbing to whatever other profession. on the other hand, we no longer believe in professionalism in politics.
@MidwestArtMan
@MidwestArtMan Год назад
That's a really interesting observation that I haven't heard before.
@Powerman293
@Powerman293 Год назад
It's because professionalism in politics is seen as interchangeable with corruption. The assumption is that if you get someone from outside the system, they have no connections to exploit when voting on leigslation that influence their voting against the system.
@alexpotts6520
@alexpotts6520 Год назад
​@@Powerman293 Except, of course, we just had a president who had never previously held political office, but he had plenty of business contacts and yes, he used them corruptly. The vast majority of corruption happens in the private sector; public servants are actually less likely to be corrupt.
@Powerman293
@Powerman293 Год назад
@@alexpotts6520 That's why I said "Assumption"
@landrypierce9942
@landrypierce9942 Год назад
Combine that with the fact that "expert" is a lower standard than ever before now that a bachelor's degree is more or less the bare minimum in most fields for new workers, and that these "experts" are contradictorily blindly trusted more than ever, and you get the worst political catastrophe in American history since the Civil War. We might even get another one of those soon.
@mcmann7149
@mcmann7149 Год назад
In the USA, at least if you were just paying attention to what all the party heads were saying on both standard news media and social media, the whole debacle around McCarthy was unprecedented in history. Knowing what we know about other similar government stoppages due to similar problems of negotiation, I think anyone of any political lineage can easily say that it could have been much worse.
@vibhav_m
@vibhav_m Год назад
Fairly unpredecented yeah but not "unprecedented in history", there was this trivia going around of the time before the civil war there were over 100 rounds without someone becoming speaker.
@TheMysteryDriver
@TheMysteryDriver Год назад
It just showed how the Squad and other progressives were wrong.
@southerncoyote
@southerncoyote Год назад
@@vibhav_m the correlation between many rounds of voting for a speaker and civil war or economic depression is both certainly not a causal link yet it is disturbing
@skelenton92
@skelenton92 Год назад
In the Latvian system, the parties get to pick who to put on the ballot, but the lists of candidates are fairly long, and you can vote both for and against someone. This always leads to some dumbasses hate-voting and crossing everybody out, not realizing that that still counts as a vote for the party itself, but generally this system offers a lot of customization. The ballots and lists are also different in each of the five large regions of the country. So in the end, it's counted how many seats each party gets in each region, and the most popular people from their list for that region get to be in parliament.
@hans7743
@hans7743 Год назад
I think that it is a bit weird that you did not focus more on the number and diversity of political parties in relation to these issues. I do at least think that having a system where multiple parties represent broadly similar political factions, as we have in my home country of Norway, legitimizes a more "smoke-filed room" kind of electoral prosess as people have the opportunity to change parties based on their actions without needing to vote for a completely different political platform.
@simplethings3730
@simplethings3730 Год назад
Maybe he should do the top 5 countries in the World Happiness Report and how their governments function.
@samuellove9619
@samuellove9619 Год назад
As an Australian, I wanted to shout "use a preferential voting system" too many times while watching this vid
@marc-andremuller1954
@marc-andremuller1954 Год назад
I have been living in Canada for 22 years but I am originally from Switzerland and I still think the Swiss system does have some advantages. The lower house features a variety of parties of which none have a majority, the upper house is similar to the US senate with 2 politicians per Canton (1 per half canton). The government is a group of 7 ministers which are elected by a historically grow agreement that provides two seats each for the 3 largest parties and 1 seat for the 4th largest party. candidates are elected by the individual party caucus and can be politicians from amongst their own ranks or any other eligible citizen. Typically two candidates are nominated by the party coming up for filling a seat. the combined house (lower house and senate combined as a single chamber) elect the candidate for 4 years, after 4 years candidates are usually re-elected except if they choose to retire or in rarest circumstances they are not reelected. Sometimes the candidates proposed by the party are not acceptable to the house and another candidate is elected (still from that specific party) which has led to crisis as the candidate does not have the support of the party; such candidates my accept the election or they may refuse acceptance... it is all very complicated.... but fascinating (I hope I got it all right)
@JJMcCullough
@JJMcCullough Год назад
What would you change about it?
@marc-andremuller1954
@marc-andremuller1954 Год назад
@@JJMcCullough about the swiss system? It’s main shortcoming is that consensus is slow and has a hard time of dealing with pressing issues in a decisive manner. On the other hand, the canadian system can act fast and decisively, and make many missteps in the process. I wish for an intermediate version that retains the consensus based legislative branch of switzerland and the efficient executive branch of canada (i don’t mean to say that the canadian public service is particularly efficient) What I mean is that the executive should be given maximum freedom to act within broadly set legislative boundaries. But then; I live in a dream world ;-)
@cfcreative1
@cfcreative1 Год назад
JJ what do you think of Klaus Schwab and Agenda 21 and the New World Order and links to Trudeau.... no ok I don't want to interrupt your leading the sheeple.
@scottodhonnchu5034
@scottodhonnchu5034 Год назад
In Ireland, if we had gone by 'Plurality Rules' Fianna Fáil would've been in power for 82 of the last 102 years since the first elected Dáil, with them in power continously between 1932 and 2011, so I can't imagine if we had that system
@Jenkowelten
@Jenkowelten Год назад
Do you think there's any difference between FF and FG?
@SethTheOrigin
@SethTheOrigin Год назад
That’s assuming that the voters would of voted the same way if we went with Plurality Rules. Which obviously they wouldn’t, so you’re argument is flawed
@kingofcards9516
@kingofcards9516 Год назад
@@Jenkowelten as an Irishman there's only some slight difference between them as both parties are pretty much centrists if not centre-left when it comes to governing with a healthy dose of liberal economics. P.s. anyone telling you they are right wing are definitely extremists.
@RealBadGaming52
@RealBadGaming52 Год назад
but other than 1972-74 and 1994-97 Ireland has pretty much been a one party sytem untill 2011
@RealBadGaming52
@RealBadGaming52 Год назад
@@Jenkowelten Theres NONE, Ireland has no opositon,, ALL partys support LGBT,Pro Abortion, pro Green policies, Black diversity over whites, Immigrantion with no restrictions du to the EU and every woke policy u can think off, we have No TRUE Opposition in Ireland, all partys support EVERYTHING Liberal so u may as well just merge to form one giant party last time thre was a real devide was 1996
@harelartzi2581
@harelartzi2581 Год назад
I think that the amount of power being trusted to the public in elections heavily depends on the quality of the public's education. A democracy with a broken education system could be a broken democracy.
@shaniamibar5459
@shaniamibar5459 Год назад
you made this video at such a perfect time. being from Israel, the political situation in this country is so messy, exactly because of what you described. all those elections caused people to just give up and burn out, and the new coalition that was formed is a far-right coalition that is starting to pass many problematic rules, and is not actually representative of the will of the people (as is demonstrated by various public surveys). personally i work with teenagers in the education system, and this video will be super helpful in my efforts of talking about democracy with them! thank you.
@NeelLLumi-AnCatDubh
@NeelLLumi-AnCatDubh Год назад
שיהיה לנו בהצלחה
@shaniamibar5459
@shaniamibar5459 Год назад
@@NeelLLumi-AnCatDubh לפחות אנשים התחילו להתעורר, נקווה שזה יעזור
@MohammedAli-hl4mr
@MohammedAli-hl4mr Год назад
@@shaniamibar5459 the script of your language looks so cool
@cheeseninja1115
@cheeseninja1115 Год назад
I think people see the recent speaker voting as the government not working, when that was exactly what it was doing. The parties have just been so split down party lines recently that we don't see the internal politics of either party that should slow down the government. The US system of governance is interesting because its basically built to stop officials from doing their jobs at every turn, especially with the splitting of the Executive and Legislature branches even though they are both needed to do anything meaningful.
@skaparinn
@skaparinn Год назад
8:30 Not really though. While it is true for the traditional parties (Parti Socialiste and Les Républicains) and the Greens, these parties either drastically fell off in the last couple of years or were never that big in the first place. In the 2022 election for example, the four most successful candidates in the first round (Macron, Le Pen, Mélenchon and Zemmour) totalizing 80% of the vote were not designated to be their party's candidate through a primary election.
@FairyCRat
@FairyCRat Год назад
One thing I find interesting about the French party system is how it drastically changed with the 2017 presidentials, and how there now seems to be an entire different set of parties that do well in presidentials (LREM RN and LFI), as opposed to the "traditional" ones who now mostly do well at the local level (PS LR and sometimes EELV). And yeah, meanwhile you have Zemmour, who is good at shock value but just not enough to break into any kind of electoral success.
@fokonlead
@fokonlead Год назад
The Waffle House has found it’s new host.
@thatsaboat2882
@thatsaboat2882 Год назад
The Waffle House has found it’s new host
@cusy1054
@cusy1054 Год назад
The waffle house has found its new host
@global2829
@global2829 Год назад
Considering that the concessions given favored the more right-wing elements of the Republican party, I wonder if it could've been a good strategic move for some Democrats to give McCarthy enough votes to get a majority, to avoid those far-right concessions from being granted.
@Powerman293
@Powerman293 Год назад
And then whoever voted for McCarthy to do that would have that vote hang over their heads next time they run. Their primary challengers could easily use that against them.
@diney7085
@diney7085 Год назад
The Republicans' only mandate in this election cycle is to slow down the Biden agenda, they can't actually pass new laws even past the Senate. The Democrats would have zero benefit from electing a Republican that has promised to work against the interests of the administration. He wouldn't ever survive a vote of confidence.
@zjzr08
@zjzr08 Год назад
@@Powerman293 While true, they have to know there has to be some meeting in the middle with these things if it is for the "greater good" - if American politics is really almost like religion now, then maybe it is better to make a loose union instead as the lines seem clearly drawn IMO.
@atticus._
@atticus._ Год назад
In the United States there is a general sense that politicians when behind closed doors can’t be entirely trusted, I’ve heard that in Canada that can also be the case, I think before we create the perfect political system or even try to determine it we need to do as much as possible to insure politicians have the peoples best interests in mind, that could involve restricting campaign financing laws, lobbying groups, and generally brining more transparency to the committee as well as accountability to decisions being made.
@joshualieblein5223
@joshualieblein5223 Год назад
From now on when there are multiple votes to elect someone we should play Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies over it the way JJ did in this video and as the votes go longer and longer the song should get faster and faster like it does in a game of Tetris
@joeyscerbo7776
@joeyscerbo7776 Год назад
My mom walked by the tv as this video was playing and simply said “love his hair!” and moved on
@marcello7781
@marcello7781 Год назад
I hope to see a video on the Swiss system.
@nelsonmeier7861
@nelsonmeier7861 Год назад
I agree. It's very interesting and unique as a (semi) direct democracy
@jokehu7115
@jokehu7115 Год назад
The moment JJ discovers belgian politics his mind will explode
@ArthurCSchaperMR
@ArthurCSchaperMR Год назад
😂😂😂
@yokelengleng
@yokelengleng Год назад
In Malaysia, our system is basically the same as Canada. Basically the PM candidate needs a majority of MPs in order to hold the office of PM. However, we also have a middle ground because political parties make it clear that if you vote for their party, this is who you'll get for PM. For example, Pakatan Harapan supporters are very clear that they will get Anwar as PM, Perikatan Nasional supporters will get Muhyiddin, and Barisan Nasional supporters will get Ismail Sabri (although everyone knows that Zahid, who is charged in court for corruption, is the actual candidate and Ismail Sabri is just being used as the "poster boy" so that voters won't perceive BN yo be corrupt). Last time, our political parties win a clear majority, but this has changed in 2022 when no coalition has a majority of 112 seats to govern the country. Eventually, Anwar from Pakatan Harapan (which had a plurality of 82 seats) emerged as the PM and led a unity government of 148 seats, consisting of PH, BN and East Malaysian parties. In this situation, the guy with the plurality got to be the PM, but things weren't as certain when the election results first came out, as there were concerns that Muhyiddin with 74 seats might actually be PM. I hope it will be a tradition in the future for the guy with the plurality to be PM
@Scottshodgepodge
@Scottshodgepodge Год назад
I’ve always wanted to see an “old timey” multi ballot convention here in the US just to see how it works.
@WanukeX
@WanukeX Год назад
16:45 - Although European style majority coalition building is starting to feel a bit more normalized in canada, especially recently, we’ve had two provincial Governments be formed (BC in 2017 and Yukon in 2021) by the party who finished second forming an alliance with a smaller party to form a majority, as well as the current liberal and NDP alliance federally.
@stellar927
@stellar927 Год назад
yayyy ive been watching all ur old videos waiting for an upload!! best thing to have playing in the background while I study
@NauticalMongoose
@NauticalMongoose Год назад
Apart from the populism/elitism angle of indirect democracy, there's also the time/effort angle: one can argue that ordinary voters simply don't have time to learn about the deeper details of policy and statecraft since they are usually busy not being politicians.
@_MrMoney
@_MrMoney Год назад
I don't think the German/European style of parliamentary elections faults on too much indirect democracy. In fact, the main criticism about this model circles around the concept of "strong party discipline" in which, unlike the US, the elected members will 99 out of 100 times vote what their party leader says, and at the same time, everyone in the country votes more thinking about the leader of the party rather than individual parliamentarians elected in their region, pretty similar to the UK or Canada, but there always has to be an actual majority (be it outright or through pact/coalition) for someone to run the government.
@nicegan8902
@nicegan8902 Год назад
In the State of South Australia we had a weird situation a few years ago where the government effectively lost control of the state Parliament but rather than voting no confidence, the opposition and independents pushed through a change to the state constitution so now the Speaker of the House has to legally resign any party membership and become independent upon election. So now only really those already elected as independent want to become Speaker! Of course this is a Parliamentary system where the Speaker just chairs the debate but I thought it was interesting.
@connorames8007
@connorames8007 Год назад
Great video! If your looking for ideas for another video topic, I would be curious to learn how Switzerland democracy works cause I have heard that have a unique system. Or a video of non western democracies. Like comparing Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and India. Also how does the European Union work and the African Union compare. I would be curious how a global democracy work. Like if the United Nations ran the world like in the TV show The Expanse
@cfcreative1
@cfcreative1 Год назад
JJ what do you think of Klaus Schwab and Agenda 21 and the New World Order and links to Trudeau.... no ok I don't want to interrupt your leading the sheeple.
@drmadjdsadjadi
@drmadjdsadjadi 11 месяцев назад
This video actually aged very well.
@tobeytransport2802
@tobeytransport2802 Год назад
I think two good things about parliamentary systems are that parties must compromise so they come up with a more diverse cabinet representing many different views, and also that it’s fairly easy to remove an unpopular head of government because vote of no confidence... especially in a system which favours coalitions over single parties.
@juliegolick
@juliegolick Год назад
One other problem with all these systems is that many of them are "first past the post" systems, whereas other voting systems might make the process both smoother and more representative. Something like ranked-choice voting (both at the level of the public and then again at the level of indirect democracy) could potentially get people out of gridlock while still maintaining their preferences.
@cfcreative1
@cfcreative1 Год назад
JJ what do you think of Klaus Schwab and Agenda 21 and the New World Order and links to Trudeau.... no ok I don't want to interrupt your leading the sheeple.
@AesirUnlimited
@AesirUnlimited Год назад
We should go back to strange women in ponds distributing swords to determine our leadership.
@juhatenhosaari9550
@juhatenhosaari9550 Год назад
Exhaustive voting is used in the EU parliament and the Scottish parliament. The candidate who got least votes is dropped on every round until someone gets over 50%
@lancerd4934
@lancerd4934 Год назад
That's just ranked choice with extra steps.
@OmneAurumNon
@OmneAurumNon Год назад
I do think this illustrates another advantage of having separate legislative and executive branches. In the US, if the legislators can't work themselves out for a while, at least the day-to-day administration of the government can keep happening
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
Well, yeah. And the legislature isn’t tied up with the executive. If you don’t like your Senator but like your President, you can just vote for the President but not the Senator.
@SouthDetroitFishing
@SouthDetroitFishing Год назад
Remember that election reform we were promised in Canada? Coool
@janmelantu7490
@janmelantu7490 Год назад
Personally, I think an executive leader, especially one so disconnected from the legislature as the US President, should be as directly elected as possible. On the other hand, while the legislature as a whole should be as reflective of the public as possible, its leaders should be people who can make a legislature function
@PuppetsByPalmieri
@PuppetsByPalmieri Год назад
I’m a fan of representative democracy with those representatives being elected by as wide a swath of the population as is reasonably possible. I’ve been a fan of ranked choice for that reason lately. Do I trust the general population to make the best decision? I go back and forth on it. But the solution to that issue to me is better civics education, rather than voter restriction.
@PremierCCGuyMMXVI
@PremierCCGuyMMXVI Месяц назад
I really like Germany’s mixed member proportional system
@hyan5cardoso
@hyan5cardoso Год назад
In Brazil, candidates for executive office are chosen conventions. Important to note that parties also do that to chose to join together for a 4 for year fedaration. In Brazil, one is not allowed to run as an independent. As for the legislatures basically any party member can run for anything since it's a proportional vote, open list. Within our legislatures we use a runoff sistem for the presidency of the upper and lower houses.
@aw2740
@aw2740 Год назад
In the Netherlands we have a system akin to that of Canada: people can vote for a party in a multi-party system, then the largest party leads in building a coalition, and their front(wo)man (usually) becomes the prime minister. I think this sytem works best, since it forces parties to make consessions, thereby never having an 'extreme' government (in contrast to two-party systems like the US) and guarding the position of prime minister against populist extremists. Yet currently this system undergoes some problems too, since polarisation and loss of trust resulted in extreme fragmentation in parties and mutual distrust, making it near impossible to form a majority coalition. But I personally think this is just a global phase Dutch politics is going through, and that this will settle back to normal in a few years.
@ArgKaiser
@ArgKaiser Год назад
This thumbnail aged like fine wine
@snapgab
@snapgab Год назад
The main thing that is extremely important, is that systems of democracy should extend to the economy and not be limited to just the government. It's absolutely insane that when it comes to companies and workplaces we suddenly completely abandon all democratic principles and allow them to be run like autocraties and oligarchies. No democratic government can survive and be truly fair and representative so long as the economic system is so undemocratic and as a result wealth and power are so unevenly distributed. Economic power and power over the government will never be completely separate from each other, no amount of anti-bribery laws will ever change that it's just an inherent part of how the world works, wealth equals power. We can talk about the details and such conversations can be interesting, but the core premise that we should first agree on is that the best democratic system is certainly not a capitalist one.
@williamxu1621
@williamxu1621 Год назад
Hey JJ, really like the video! What do you think about the Independent State Legislature (ISL) theory and the Moore v Harper case currently being decided by the US Supreme court? The theory goes that a literal reading of the Constitution says that State Legislatures have sole power in choosing electoral college votes. This means in a worst case scenario, a State Legislature can ignore an election and choose electoral votes how they see fit. A lot of liberals, especially leftists, see the ISL as an apocalyptic blow to democracy. This is because in 2020, Trump threatened the state legislators of several battleground states to decertify their respective state elections. So if a slate of secret election deniers get elected, they can essentially cancel their state's presidential election. What do you think? Is this too alarmist?
@user-hm1zb8js5i
@user-hm1zb8js5i Год назад
Maybe you shouldn't call people who recognize all the shenanigans that happened in the 2020 election election deniers.
@battra92
@battra92 Год назад
One thing to point out about the American system being indirect is that at the time it was set up, the individual state governments were more powerful at the time. So the people at large had more control via their home states.
@mnnm522
@mnnm522 Год назад
Israel actually had direct elections for prime minister exactly 3 times from 1996 until 2001. It didn't last long as the prime ministers and their parties had supposedly very little actual power inside a parliament that didn't elect them nor did they have any kind of a deal for basic legislative agreements with other parties. Although there have been a few attempts to recreate that system in recent years as a suggestion to solve the political crisis JJ mentioned, it never progressed anywhere.
@globalpoliticsman9523
@globalpoliticsman9523 Год назад
Israel has been so ineffective informing governments that they allowed Benjamin Netanyahu to come back as a leader of one of their parties and as I'm sure you're aware he nvestigated for corruption
@scaevolaludens679
@scaevolaludens679 Год назад
In Italy the rationale for the parliamentary system is one of compromise more than anything (especially since the constitution was drafted right after fascism and it has to put christian democrats, socialists, communists, liberalists and republicans in agreement). Having one leader with a lot of powers sounded too similar to fascism so the Parliament, which is/was elected directly, had the most power, the President is mostly a symbolic figure and the Prime Minister and government are supposed to function as an expression of Parliament more than individual deciders
@frodojuniormlg653
@frodojuniormlg653 Год назад
Thanks JJ amazing video as always! i have a topic suggestion have you ever heard of lottocracy or Sortition i felt like that topic was missing form this video because it would solve or bypass this whole problem Professor Alexander Guerrero made a online lecture about lottocracy that was very convicting to me i would highly recommend it it is such a refreshing take on democracy and would definitely be a Great video topic in my opinion Vsauce also mentioned it in the future of reasoning
@sollamander2206
@sollamander2206 Год назад
I'm agnostic on the question of how individual parties elect their leaders, but I'm an American who supports a more parliamentary system where divided government is less of a problem. In the post ww2 age of the imperial presidency it seems like divided government just leads to legislative gridlock and more and more executive orders.
@mbogucki1
@mbogucki1 Год назад
I find the contrast between the US/North America and the Europe interesting. As a European I always find it fascinating how North Americans denigrate politicians and paint them all incompetent which happens to coincide with ever increasing "direct democracy" over aspects of the government. Meanwhile Europeans scratch their heads and keep asking why people don't just vote for better politicians in America. I find the slide to full direct democracy rather troubling myself as, besides Switzerland and its rather educated population, leaving complex decisions to the whims and fancies of the fickle masses will inevitably lead to disaster especially in a society that no longer values education and intellect. I also have to disagree as I don't think in Canada we talk enough about how individuals vote and the inherent undemocratic nature of the "First Past The Post" winner takes all system we have. In fact most people don't understand there are different types voting systems, some more fair and some less, and that they may represent the will of the people far better and more accurately regardless of political party.
@Nl0R
@Nl0R Год назад
Just wanted to mention that we don't have a direct democracy in Switzerland. It's more of a participative democracy.
@thejimmydanly
@thejimmydanly Год назад
Great video, one small quibble though: The US House of Representatives isn't required to elect a speaker with a majority. They can choose to change the threshold used to elect a speaker to a plurality. This has only been done twice, in 1849 and 1856. Like many other things the house does, the rules regarding selection of the speaker are made by the house, not set by the constitution.
@nestormakhno9266
@nestormakhno9266 Год назад
Gaddafi was very clear on this issue in the green book. Idk why we are still struggling with these questions when he was very clear in his third universal theory
@Jenkowelten
@Jenkowelten Год назад
Clear about what
@nestormakhno9266
@nestormakhno9266 Год назад
@@Jenkowelten Chapter 1 The Solution of the Problem of Democracy: The Authority of the People “Parliament is a misrepresentation of the people, and parliamentary systems are a false solution to the problem of democracy. A parliament is originally founded to represent the people, but this in itself is undemocratic as democracy means the authority of the people and not an authority acting on their behalf. The mere existence of a parliament means the absence of the people. True democracy exists only through the direct participation of the people, and not through the activity of their representatives. Parliaments have been a legal barrier between the people and the exercise of authority, excluding the masses from meaningful politics and monopolizing sovereignty in their place. People are left with only a facade of democracy, manifested in long queues to cast their election ballots.”
@Jenkowelten
@Jenkowelten Год назад
@@nestormakhno9266 That may be true and all (and there are valid points), but Gaddafi was a dictator
@BasicLib
@BasicLib Год назад
@@nestormakhno9266 This is not a solution, only a critique. So the question still stands, clear about what ?
@stevesmithy5644
@stevesmithy5644 Год назад
i personally am not a fan of the new color scheme used in the JJ logo, but that is just my personal preference
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