What Tekken 8 Doesn't Tell You About Frame Advantage 

Thanks for explaining this, i always did find it weird how Tekken chooses who gets a guaranteed hit lol.

I hope they color code the plus frame data in the future. White for real frames, blue or purple for g-frames

I think I'm following but I'm not sure - you're "+17" or whatever, but your opponent is in a guard state rather than recovering?

I swear I was going crazy thinking I had misunderstood the whole concept of frame data before this.

Yeah i had no clue wtf was going on, I love tekken but it sure does have alot of "this is how things normally work.... Except here, and here, also here...." Moments.

Now that I think about it ... 🥴😭 why haven't I questioned this for YEARS 🥹🤣

Something else worth noting that's also deceiving is that it's not like they can guard for the full 13 frames in "13g". It's highly move dependent but take for example Steve's 2,1~PKB When Steve transitions into PKB he becomes +13g, but without the PKB transition is +6 on hit (without the g). The implication here is that if Steve were to have a 6 frame follow-up for example, then in spite of the move being 13g it would still work because there are 6 frames which they can't guard. This is really common for stance transition characters where they get more frames by going into a stance after a string Why this is also relevant is on backturn combos. In backturn the guard frames are different! Hence its theoretically possible to do infinites with law and steve in backturn combos and stance cancels. Doesn't apply to weird moves like Nina's evil mist however, even backturn they can guard on hit.

Thank you for this Hope they add this info in the next patch!!

I actually haven't played T8 yet so this may or may not apply... I remember there were some moves in T7 that would have very large plus frames where a follow-up would be guaranteed for the first few frames in the advantage and then the rest of the advantage would be guard frames. For example, a move that might be +17, where anything i13 or faster would be guaranteed, and anything i14 to i17 could be blocked. These numbers are just an example though, I can't remember any specific examples because it's been a long time since I played.

this is very valuable, keep sharing these tips!

oh no +g.... Mortal Kombat also have this kind of frame data btw

They tend to communicate this idea with attacks that leave the attacker plus, but recovering from their own attack animation itself. Reina's example low is +13 but she spins around before you're able to attack again, so that the idea is that she can't get a guaranteed hit after such a commital attack

Thanks for the info! I'm a long-time tekken player, and I wasn't aware of this

Good stuff man. I was just doing some labbing the other week, I think against Devil Jin. You can step or intterupt a string if the followup hit, for example is something like i26? It's something like that. So DJ has a string where you can step the second hit - the move comes out at like i26, or maybe it's i28, but you can't step the 3rd followup in the string and it's like i30-i32? I need to go check, but I just recall that standing out to me. I'm assuming some moves have inherrent jailing properties or whatever.

Back in the good old days we all used Geppo for frame data. Move like this was listed as +17g. Now T8 just says +17, making it hard to understand. The ”g” in the end simply means that opponent is in forced guard state instead of recovery state. All they can do is hold db to low block or b to standing block. Nothing else is possible. +17g happens now much more often due to heat engagers and wall crush. Game should have visualized it better in the frame data UI.

Excellent video, thanks

assuming all that author said before, "your minus frames only if you are b**ch" (c)

I know it certain situation you get a guaranteed grab as well because it combos; for example with Bryan if you do b3 and the opponent mashes follow up with d2 and you should trade but Bryan now has 12+ frames of advantage making his uf 1+2 guaranteed I believe I know for a fact it combos

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Awesome video, great information.

Very good video, bro. Vou ficar de olho nessa situação e já deixei o sininho ativado no seu canal.

rly good video thanks for the tips

Love your very educational videos I would appreciated of u make video about perfect electric that I'm struggling so much about because some times I can do it but I feeling I miss one frame though its says not i can by kazuya forward 3 it is _13 on block so I should be able to punish it by perfect electric but he can block before it connects can u help pls

I did notice that, but I did not know that it is called guard frames.

wow so that explains why parry never worked after heat activation.

are there heat moves that wont let me guard low after being hit? because i felt like i was struck by few for example by steve

This was god to be the first to know about thank you.

Does that mean got a safe low attempt after a heat engager in D2,1?

Can yoshi flash it?

Nice tip

Oh what the fuck! That explains so much. Ugh!

Too many things to study, I'm tired of this.

Thanks for the explanation, Tekken as a game really has a huge amount of depth. How do you think people who probably do not have all this info at hand (such as those players in Pakistan) are able to dominate the game at the highest level?

Damn.. You solved my question that I confused for such a really long time-- 🥹👏👏