What The Atheists Tend To Miss 

Love that quote. Reminds me a lot of Jacen's final words to Anakin in Star by Star.

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Infinitely more interesting & moving afaic

This is such a wonderful moment and speech he gave. Thanks for sharing. Do you know if this was written by Peter Jackson’s writers or JRRT’s writing?

Reading Isaiah, Amos, Jeremiah, Christ ( esp. in the Temple ), again and again I have to think ' was this written two millenia ago or two hours ago ? ' ( ' Men live and die. Truth is eternal. ' - Flaubert )

I think the word deception would fit better. A lie is a lie, which means untrue but deception can surely contain truth and lots of it but then it also contains a lie, and that lie, even if only a little bit, could be deadly.

That’s an absolute word salad of nonsense.

@@haveaday1812 honestly you might be right. I'm not the best at grammar. The best way I can describe it is when someone takes a verse out of the Bible or a person's words out of context. It's not technically lying, but using the truth to deceive someone. Hope that makes sense.

It's important to understand that truth is part of what is good. Then sin enters the picture and what sin always seeks to do is distort what is good. Good can exist without sin but sin cannot exist without good. Sin is a parasite on the body of what is good. Therefore when it comes to dealing with truth sin will always take truth and seek to twist it - it becomes a mix of truth and error - just enough to get followers going in a wrong direction.

@@johnguyatt8515 I 100% agree with your statement! But I'll admit though sin has always been like a Rubik's cube to me, once one side is figured out another side is distorted.

Thank you sir. I suspect some aspects of Hollywood movies have picked up on the Mystical Visions of the Catholic Mystics. Perhaps some Hollywood writers even used Catholic Mystics to write their stories. I thought Nicholas Cage's 2009 "Knowing" was excellent. I suspect the writers borrowed elements from Fatima - 1917 07 13th - Saints Jacinta & Francisco -- Servant of God Sister Lucia pray for us! The aliens at the end were reminiscent of the angels from the "Wheels within Wheels" as recorded in Ezekiel 1:1-48:22 I sold everything I have and purchased many books from EWTN. I am honored to know that Mother Angelica helped KEEP strong to our Roman Catholic Faith while large swathes of the Roman Catholic Church were falling away into a modern day Manichean Heresy. The Tree of life is Jesus. Mother Mary chose the Tree of Life First. The tree of the knowledge of Good & Evil is the devil. And Eve chose the devil first. Saint Francis was considered crazy but he kept Jesus and the devil SEPARATE. Friedrich Nietzsche went down TOO FAR and concluded God and the devil were the SAME THING. If evil is understood as a ‘privation of good’, then the Almighty could be understood as allowing privations in order to bring a greater good. But if evil is understood as a ‘literal physical evil’, then this understanding seems no different than the Manichean heresy. Yes, it is a subtle distinction. But this is a crucial distinction and I think Chaos theory comes in at this point - a minor change in the initial conditions can have a big change in the final outcome. It seems a 'false dichotomy' to insist we are caught in a cross-fire of Nurture vs. Nature. We’re already in too deep if we start with that assumption. We just need to step back and realize that Eve chose the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil FIRST. Mary chose the Tree of Life FIRST. THE VIRGIN MARY CHOSE THE TREE OF LIFE FIRST

We may play the fool well...but do not suffer them so.

Only the jester may speak the truth to the king

@@steveunderhill5935 While we play the fool well..we do not suffer them so.

I believe his perspective boils down to trying to understand what the other side believes. He’s been doing that since his early years, when he was trying to understand what the Communists believed they were doing. In going all the way down to the underlying values that are the base of those beliefs, he can very well see what’s missing fundamentally. He looked into that with the cold war communists, and now with neo-marxist liberalism.

His clarity and comprehension is a gift to our times from --- you know who. A genuine effort is being offered to put us all back on the "yellow brick road".

His podcasts are largely Socratic dialogues. You need two to tango in a dialogue, real or imagined. You're missing half the revelation if you're just trying to ff through his guest's contribution. They are guests for good reasons.

Firstly, sorry to hear how you were treated, some congregations can be very closed off to challenges to belive systems. The whole "you are challenging my whole world and self image" thing that they seem to think about anyone having any form of questions. Secondly, oh yes, the old testament has plenty of places that has some morally questionable things in it, even some of the new testament as you pointed out with the examples. Now I can't speak for others but I can speak from my own point. I'm religious (I'm Christian but I don't identify with any one particular subgroup and admit that I sometimes struggle with my beliefs) because of a verity of things that I have experienced and have happened to me; but this doesn't mean that I don't question a lot of things within my own religion. I've had plenty of conversations with friends who range from atheists to hindu to wiccan and I still find it interesting to hear the views of people who think differently. Now I'm going to make an argument, or rather an observation, here and it's probably one you have heard before but I would still like to make it. Firstly some of the examples that are often made to show the immorality of God are cases like Genesis 22 but when read in context and totality then we see that it was a test to see how devoted Abraham (in this example) is to God. Now I do admit this is not an argument that works all the time but the point of context is important, not just the context of things like time period but also what the point of the text is. Secondly I read the old testament as a "here is how it was and what was required before Jesus came and God softened to a strict father arcitype" type of thing. This is my interpretation born from my own readings and interactions with others. Now this change in how God became softer with his people but still strict resonates a lot with me as my own father was always very loving and I saw how good he was for us and how much he did. But; he was incredibly strict and steadfast in his views and judged all around him to his standards. This all changed at some point when he started becoming more religious. He is still strict and if you ask for advice and ignore it, you will receive little simpathy but his love shows through a lot more. I feel like the change we see from God between the beginning of the Bible to the end reminds me of his change. But that's my 10 cents based on personal experience. Hope you have a good day.

@@beardedricotheold2640”before god softened to a strict father archetype” God is by definition unchanging and eternally perfect. Any arguments of that sort or “he was taking the social climate of the time into consideration” are completely hollow since God should be so above us in power and intelligence and morality and EVERYTHING that the notion of him adjusting his own conduct and morals to the norm of humanity are utterly ridiculous.

@@theodorable1425 I was referring to the decrease in punishments like what was in the old testament compared to the new and referring to it as a softening but sorry if that didn't come across. English is not my first language. On the second part. Isn't that the whole argument for the permanency of any deity not just God and how they never change in any way even though there are examples in a lot of different religious texts and mythology that shows that deities do change and sometimes the changes being quiet major? That's an argument that normally goes into several different paths depending on the answer so I'm just going to say that yes I think that God is above us in all those ways but I also think that there is enough scripture to show some change even if it is just in the way He interacts with the world and his believers. Even if you want to look at it from a purely mythological point then there is still changes in the source material. Hope you have a good day/evening

Well GOD doesn't fit into neither your standards, nor your understanding. You have to seek truth from GOD'S perspective.

@@carolemafotsing9987 Child abuse (butchering them and sexually enslaving them) is always evil. Threatening to force parents to eat their children is always evil. What the God in the Old Testament stories I cited above commands is always evil. I agree that the God of the Bible doesn't fit into my standards or my understanding, because a being who commands such gross evils yet commands to be praised and worshiped as the highest good is a being I am incapable of understanding and is a being who is beneath my moral standards. The same is true for Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and every other monster who commanded their peoples to butcher children and allowed their people to sexually assault people, including children. To seek truth from the perspective of a God who outright delights in committing the cruelest acts against His own people to the exact same degree that He delights in helping them grow and mature (Deuteronomy 28:63) is madness. Morality and truth cannot be borne out of a being whose moral perspective is as warped as this.

That's because Yahweh was a lesser deity in the Canaanite pantheon before he became the Lord (Adonai)

you forgot that there is only ONE Creator of universe

This is so wrong. God was very clear that he is one, and that he is the only was, is, and is to come, and beside him, there is no other. There are other created beings, but there has never been multiple Gods.

you should learn to question capitalism because it is evil.

So hard to do though. Questioning your own beliefs is so hard and we all do it less than we think we do. The first thing to question is if you are actually questioning. Because odds are you aren't.

The weak minded don't care.

What counts as a question

Question everything for default and your parents kill you in your childhood...brain evolute to survival, even if is the survival of the sheep

Shakespeare didn’t write anything. He is the opposite of truth.

So is "God" a woman?

@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?

John Lennox is a follower of Christ but Peterson is not. Peterson understands lots of deep things and is close to the truth, but he is not an actual Christian. Here is the video where he explains how he was too afraid of accepting the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit left him in sorrow: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NAaXCxQwKNI.html&pp=ygUacGV0ZXJzb24gcmVqZWN0IGhvbHkgZ2hvc3Q%3D

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Jordan isn't a theist though, he's practically an atheist. He relies heavily on Jugian psychology to make his points about God. For him, God isn't a real person who exists.

@@hlulanizitha9920 Is Elvis a real person who exists? Does the next president of the United States exist? You seem to be talking haphazardly without considering what "existence" means with respect to time. One has to wonder whether you even watched the video. Fiction isn't false. So the entire notion of whether a "real person" exists is immaterial. Somebody befitting the archetypes exists or existed.

Yesssssssssssssssssss we need this!!!!

are you a Canadian?

Hell is not as clear as described here. Heaven, well, that is God and the ability to be with him. The Bible does not say there has always been evil, and that there has always been a place where evil people went.

@sarahsf6940 il y a 2 secondes Damn that’s interesting, I might give it a watch with my younger sisters, they’ll see it as pure entertainment while I will be trying to see it from a psychoanalytical pov. good luck sleeping in the era of overstimulating youtube

As one who was raised with the Bible and a reasonable sense of the value of truth and my personal responsibility, can I comment a little: I still learn from scripture: it speaks to me if I let it, in ways I never heard before, sometimes harsh in cold, in-your-face chastisement, sometimes useful counsel, other times comforting, but generally enlightening in some way. But I have to want it. I have grown to see the Christ as less of religious figures the 'Church' would oblige us to see and more as very real and immensely inspired philosophers, teachers and supremely qualified in the most deep and vital ways of truth and life.

@@stilllearning1160 Thank you for presenting your opinion and doing it in a way that doesn't feel as if you're trying to convince anyone else to live as you do... like JBP does (intentionally or not).

Atheists don't have a problem with fiction. Fiction is great entertainment and great lessons and values can be woven throughout fiction. Star Wars is an epic story of the fight between good and evil and most can relate to the ethics of the Jedi Knights and the wisdom of Yoda. The atheists problem is with any people who would claim that Luke Skywalker, Chewbacca and Darth Vader are actual real people (and whatever Chewbacca is) fighting the battle in a galaxy far, far away to destroy the Death Star.

Yer but that is true of human art. What the bible is meant to be is the undeniable word of God...its meant to guide humanity. So why is it so vague?

@@JP-je6jg If you find "guidance" from the bible, then that's awesome... for you. However, if you expect ME to buy into the "undeniable word of God" part, well... then you'd better be prepared to substantiate that claim with some demonstrable repeatable evidence.

The Holy Spirit helps us to learn truth. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth. Jesus Christ teaches (the third chapter of the gospel of John) us that one must be born of the Spirit. No religion needed. Just faith (believing), faith plus nothing.

Nailed it. Deep intelligent thinking well expressed. Must say I am a Jordan fan most of the time but not when it comes to religion

It’s not just great literature… it’s the Word of God! And that’s what makes it TRUTH.

@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql ok

Yet it also might be quite more literal than some people make it out to be.

Your comment is the most underrated I have ever seen. So sad!

The concept most people envision when they say or hear the word "truth" is something Peterson literally doesn't have. His discussions about what is "truth" where he tries to get all deep and pretends to be a philosopher... the notion of there being literal events and facts about the world and a responsibility to represent them honestly just sort of doesn't occur to him. That's not what the word "truth" means to him.

@@paulsmart4672When he talks about literal truth he describes the difference between that type of truth and the biblical. The biblical represents somethong always being useful, useful indeed. That truth is set there because it always was meant to. Its not a temporary thing just representing the truth for the moment So thats what he means when he discusses literal truth. I wouldnt say he tries to be philosofic, sometimes I think so too. But the thing is, I think, that I in those scenarios havent yet understood what he meant. Because I can understand how he easily sounds confusing, not making sense

​@@whilliambergenwall8137 See, thing is, that's not what the word "truth" means. Mister be precise in your speech here ought to be a little more precise in his speech.

@@paulsmart4672I get you don’t agree It sounds like he does annoy you. He talks about how he thinks things work, as people tend to do. If his way of talking or describing things annoy you, I recommend you watching less annoying content Some people I can’t see without getting annoyed, and then the best for me personally is to do something else - in order to not get frustrated

I appreciate the light that obviously burns from within you. It must do so more in you than in those females you first knew. Keep it safe, keep your faith, whatever way you can. God bless.

I love the way you think.

Mhm true , that adam and eve story is a cautionary tale about A LOT OF THINGS, like what happens when you lack discipline and self control , futile arrogance in thinking you can know better than the creator , Men that dont know how to lead their women in God's ways and just go with the flow, How parents behaviours and choices dont only impact them but future generations too, Self defeating attitude of thinking chasing fleshly desires will yield any good. How in a partnership if you dont love each other according to God's word, you will eventually lead each other astray and also how fear of the lord is the real beginning of wisdom and any other sources can lead to consequences you never imagined , as a former atheist i will make an example " we are all stardust , there is no God, when we die thats it, so what does it matter what i do or if i use the next person ,We are all just dust and emotions are chemical reactions and if a hurt a person its just chemicals and they wont even be alive to remember it in a 100 years anyways " that is false wisdom that can lead a person down a very dark path in how they treat others and themselves. But when you fear God you start to see the world in a way you never could before. , Other atheists will try to say you can be atheist and still good, but if there is no God then who defines good and who are you to tell the next person what they should and shouldnt do if we are all just stardust and chemical reactions? . I thank God so much that veil of darkness got lifted off my eyes , now the only wisdom i seek is from the creator of life himself, Not humans who they themselves haven't truly figured out a single thing about living

@@kgosiking4228 this comment is amazing brother, Literally this past week I've just been thinking of atheists and that it's so sad to see them ignore their creator, so corrupt as humans we believe everything we are, came from nothing. It was on my mind this past week and as I read your comment I had joy in my heart because I'm literally so happy to see atheists actually coming to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. The reason I call you brother is because I'll see you in heaven, any believer is my brother. I got a question tho, Do you ever remember what initiated the change, was it friends/family or was it your own initiative to find out, how did you begin to know the truth? I always wondered if an atheist is left alone to think their own way, such as what you described, that in being atheist, there is no moral standard therefore raping isn't any different from giving a million dollars to charity. Say that you were to leave that atheist alone, would anything come from him? because they are just lost completely. They've deluded themselves into believing we came from nothing... like........ what? So do you think there would ever be a chance of them humbling themselves and actually realising that we are created than non other than God. Can they do it by their own initiative or is there a need for an external source to assist them? for e.g maybe a near death experience, supernatural experience, even just stumbling across a street preacher. I'm not too sure tho Everything just makes too much sense, I know there's a God and I believe him and he loves everyone and wishes for everyone to come to him, God bless you all

​@@kgosiking4228it's also a story how God intentionally caused us to sin. It's the story with the birth of sin, God's creation.

Except he cannot form a coherent sentence without insane tangents😅

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@@FentonMulley-cz8pvbecause he's rationalizing his nonsensical beliefs, painful to watch

the words ''agnostic and Atheist'' only exist because someone else ''claimed'' ''there is a god'' and was then asked to prove it. the claim has been propagated without proof, so I now need to be labelled ''Atheist'' because the religious could not prove their claims. 8 billion people, a millennia, still no proof and yet I have to carry a label from religious mystics that are desperate to believe in something with no evidence. how dare you label me with no evidence!.

How can you be a catholic after you read the bible?

Pretty much every Catholic doctrine has it's direct grounds at least partially in scripture, and all have their indirect root in scripture. "@@Midz439 "Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle." 2 Thessalonians 2:15. Did you know there are many omitted gospels in many protestant bibles including the King James Version because they too obviously contradicted protestant theology? If I were you, I'd read them.

@@Midz439 lol. Interesting question, I was born and raised catholic, my parents are both catholic, very good people. It's seemingly obvious their doctrine is absent in the new testament but I don't know what keeps them there. Similar to the new breed of Christians, prosperity, prophetic, healing and deliverance, it's all nonsense. The problem is Christianity generally speaking and I am saying this as a person who believes the bible to be the authoritative word of God.

@@mashfintech Does that mean you disregard the new testament? That's a matter of faith and what you believe of course. But if you accept the new testament it makes absolutely no sense to be catholic, and being born in it is no excuse if you ask me

So Jesus didn't really exist

the words ''agnostic and Atheist'' only exist because someone else ''claimed'' ''there is a god'' and was then asked to prove it. the claim has been propagated without proof, so I now need to be labelled ''Atheist'' because the religious could not prove their claims. 8 billion people, a millennia, still no proof and yet I have to carry a label from religious mystics that are desperate to believe in something with no evidence. how dare you label me with no evidence!.

Atheists don't have a problem with fiction. Fiction is great entertainment and great lessons and values can be woven throughout fiction. Star Wars is an epic story of the fight between good and evil and most can relate to the ethics of the Jedi Knights and the wisdom of Yoda. The atheists problem is with any people who would claim that Luke Skywalker, Chewbacca and Darth Vader are actual real people (and whatever Chewbacca is) fighting the battle in a galaxy far, far away to destroy the Death Star.

@@chrisgraham2904That not the issue I had when I finally realized God excited. It was the absolute state of being aware of what it is to be alive and thinking about infinity. Nothing can be created or destroyed. Yet we are here for some reason, life not only likes structure but it demands it. When we come to that singularity of creation itself there should be nothing yet we are here. Nothing should exist. It’s not even an argument the point of something is to have a meaning or job otherwise it wouldn’t exist in the first yet we are here. I can say for current whatever God is he is outside of physics itself the infinite Logos. I finally understand what it meant in revelations by “I am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the End.” God isn’t going to give us evidence that is going to point right to him because it wouldn’t make sense to salvation itself. This has to be true there is no other way.

@@tapep225 “This has to be true, there is no other way” is a fallacious claim. There could be many, many other ways, which you fail to consider and you default to “The God of the Gap”. You state that “God is outside of physics itself and infinite logos”, yet, for some reason you state that you “finally realized God existed”. Tell me how you came to build a belief without evidence? I would not hold a belief in the existence of dogs, if I could not provide you with verifiable, demonstrable and repeatable evidence that dogs do exist. You claim; “Yet we are here for some reason”. How did you determine that your existence has a reason? Who established that reason and provide evidence of it? The Universe is an environment of absolute chaos and any patterns or structure, are a determination of our own minds and our feeble attempt to make sense of it. If you seek purpose for your life, it is up to you to create, or find the purpose in your life, which can bring you some satisfaction during the short time that you will exist here. “Nothing should exist”, is another fallacious claim without evidence. How did you determine what “should” or “should not” exist? “God isn’t going to give us evidence that is going to point right to him” - Why? The Bible states that God wants us to know him. God is the ultimate player of Hide & Seek. Why would a god not reveal himself/herself with verifiable evidence to every human being within his creation? Finally, the controversy, conflicts and wars between hundreds of different religions and ideologies would disappear and a greater love and harmony could exist throughout the world. Why does God not want that harmony to take place?

@@chrisgraham2904 Atheists have a problem with truth. Christ Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. They hate Jesus because he speaks nothing but the the truth. The main one being that we are all sinners in need of his Grace and mercy. We are sinners not because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. Christ Jeus is our only hope. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.

This is the point I’ve been making. The value comes from the moral of the story, whether or not the story actually happened is irrelevant.

​​@@AvinaLookAbaatofc it's relevant. Everyone knows hare and tortious story is fiction, when it comes to religion, no actual believer claims it's fiction, and if they are convinced is fiction, then they're lying if they claim they are, which goes against one of the core values. Simplifying such a nuanced and complex situation to "stories move people, so let's act like it's real" is very naive. It ignores the wars, discrimination, government policies and influence, manipulation done by religious authority, biases based on culture, devaluing science, etc. I agree some of the stories have value and are interesting, but that's so irrelevant to the issues at hand

Exactly.@@spawncampe

Ok so Jesus is not literally historical and did not literally rise up from the dead. It is all a story telling some big truth. I can buy that...

Yeah. But the message in the bible isnt healthy or useful or well spelled out to avoid confusion. Id throw it out. We have science and social mechanisms better than spiritual tribalism now.

Excellent thanks

Amen to that

The problem is when the holistic viewpoint insists its 100% correct all the time. Reality must come first. So if there is something that has been observed 1000 times to happen the same way 1000 times it doesn't matter what the holistic viewpoint has to say because y'all will grasp at things that aren't there then when we ask how you know you point to the Bible, when we ask how do you know the bible is true you point to God, when we ask how do you know God is true you point to the Bible. Y'all's method of understanding is "source: trust me bro"

Thanks!!! Very interesting.

@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?

So you see God's truth, and yet you still deny him. Explain that please.

​@@mickeyguide3112God chooses whether we believe?

@@tornay131 if you truly believe from the bottom of your heart I believe God has already chosen you. I was an atheist before, although I slightly doubted the possibility of God it wouldn't have led me to faith on it's own. It's only cause of the things I saw/experienced led me to the absolute conclusion there is God, and our God is the God of the Bible.

Aren’t you simply saying that you and another person are interpreting the same piece of text in roughly the same way? That doesn’t sound miraculous to me. If you’ve done that, probably 1000s of others have too. And, in fact, a lot of what you are saying is consistent with the core ideas of Hinduism. Maybe you are really a Hindu but don’t know it … you’ve stumbled onto an understanding of ultimate reality but are looking a veil of Judeo-Christianity and so lack full awareness.

It's a guarantee that I lack full awareness. To believe otherwise is arrogance that prolongs ignorance. To say that I am Hindu or Christian or whatever.... I don't really care what box people try to put me in... I know that I don't really want to study religions to figure out where I "belong." I am perfectly happy simply having a relationship with God. and yes... I am saying that we are interpreting things in a similar way... that is the point of my comment. I wish I could explain better why that is significant... but I struggle with words sometimes. However... I never said it was "miraculous" I don't think (I went back to look if I used that word and I couldn't find it)... I said I love it when I am listening to someone intelligent and they are saying something similar to what I have been thinking, too. I am the last child in a big family... I am often told that my opinions don't matter. For most of my life I have believed this lie. God is helping me understand it isn't true through moments like these. Jordan Peterson is someone people respect. He is intelligent. People want to hear what he has to say. He thinks deeply and complexly. When he is talking, it is obvious... to me anyway... that he often "sees" a lot of "connections" to the topic being discussed. Some of the significant differences between us is that he has training and a professional career behind his name, and I do not. He has confidence, and I lack it. He is well spoken... and I am working on it, lol... getting better. But... our brains tick very similarly. There is something in the differences that led me to have anxiety and other issues because of things that go on in my brain... whereas Dr. Peterson is able to navigate similar things much better. So when he says something that reflects what I have been thinking... it helps me believe the lie, that I don't matter, that much less... if that makes sense. But also... when someone else "confirms" some kind of "important thought" such as the one being discussed in this part of the video... it helps me understand even more that the thought came from God rather than just the rantings of a lunatic middle aged woman. lol

@@caydancebloom "it helps me understand even more that the thought came from God" Well, as secularist, I consider that a claim of something miraculous whether you choose to use that word or not.

@@esa916 so if there are many personalities within a person then why can they not "inhabit" both? It makes sense.... It is claimed after Jesus ascended that the Holy Spirit came to fill every Christian (at least as I recall from my teachings in a Christian church attended long ago. But if one can "house" the Holy Spirit, in addition to being an Image bearer of God.... but also be capable of sinning.... it definitely makes one think! Yes, when you meet someone it is like meeting one version of them. I myself have found it extremely helpful to think of different parts of my personality as different characters. It has helped me identify what "parts" within are "acting up" and kind of "ask" it what it needs. I realized this was going to help me with self-care because I tend to take care of others before myself... so seeing myself as "other" has been helpful. Like... I recognized "Anger" gets stirred up when "JJ" (the naive little girl that was traumatized) is some how threatened or taken advantage of. Try it out! The idea came to me after dating a guy that was really into role playing games. I really enjoy the process of using those types of games to help a "character" ..... uhm... "develop" (sorry for all the quotes. I'm just not sure if the words I have necessarily make sense within the sentence.) Anyway... I started doing it through learning roleplaying games... but later I found out it is actually a legitimate thing in the mental health world known as "piece work." It is my belief that as I learn more about each of these parts within me... I will also learn to know when to draw upon which part given a situation. I'm hoping this will help me be around people more.... eventually. Right now I am just weird.

@@esa916 wow that is fascinating. bodies are amazing!

The Bible is a novel.

@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu He literally addresses that the bible is fiction and why it is still significant. You basically admitted to not listening

@@TheEggroll4321 Few Christians acknowledge that. They usually insist it's all factual.

Continue on your gifted journey. 😊

@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu Scientists insist too that their theories/stories are factual. But that's just a matter of philosophical choice. Science is "factual" if you are a realist. Science is "useful fiction" if you are an instrumentalist. Both are perfectly valid world-views. Still, some rather prominent names have supported the notion of "Model-dependent realism" which undermines the unity of truth/facts.

They’re definitely are difficulties with a non-literal approach. And there’s some difficulties with a literal approach. I’m glad that God does not spell it out too easily. It’s something that we have to go after and grapple with to find.

I think you make a good point. What reason do we have to think that the account of creation isn't literal; it isn't poetic. There are other poetic books in the Bible like psalms. And the reason he gave for Moses writing what He did is because the other nations worshiped different gods? Why then are their instances in Moses's other writings where the Israelites are grumbling against and disobeying the god they made up and Moses is angry with them?

Grant Morrison has said the same.Grant also said just because fiction didn't happen doesn't mean it isn't true.

But no

I guess if I believe really hard Star Trek TOS will be real like his bible. UHURA HERE I COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jordan is so dumb

@@BaronFeydRautha Speaking as an atheist, I think it's clear that you've rather missed the point. But that's okay - most people do, theist or not. 🙄

@@joshuastrawser9160 No I got it. Fake it till you make it. Just like every other religion. Just because people use their lives to pull inspiration from to make up stories, does not make those stories true or "real" like JP wants to pretend.

The bible is just a book written by simple minds in a simple age. The reason it is popular is because it is old and some people say it is the word of some higher being. Other than that there is nothing special about it. Many books have been written since that are more profound in their writing(in my opinion, and that's what counts for each of us), the difference is these books do not claim to be literally true. JP reminds me of a schizophrenic, always looking for the deepest meaning in everything, usually there isn't one, but he will find one anyway. He's read all these books and wants to apply it everywhere like a child that's learnt a new word.

​@@andy-mb3nn100% agree

@@andy-mb3nn While I agree with your thoughts about The Bible itself (especially that there's no specific reason it ought to have acquired the reputation and significance it has) I think you're being somewhat uncharitable towards Peterson and his approach towards meaning. Where The Bible is concerned, it's impossible to deny the effect it's had on countless peoples throughout history, all of whom have had differing interpretations of it (even if such interpretations differ only in degree) and the ubiquity of certain stories, themes and images throughout the history of human literature is something we need to mine and explore. A free approach to such exploration is an important component of study, and Peterson presents himself as a very capable creative thinker (in fact, it's interesting that he has come to associate himself with people like Douglas Murray, as they are far more capable as critical thinkers and that compliments Peterson's own approach). It's not schizophrenic to believe that there is meaning everywhere; schizophrenia is when a person no longer has the ability to distinguish between reality and unreality, and there's no evidence that Peterson is suffering from this condition or is displaying behaviour that can be likened to it.

Some things just are the way they are, there doesn't have to be great meaning behind everything. If you list 1000 religions throughout history you have yourself close to 1000 creation myths, many baring no relation or similarities at all to each other. You don't hear JP going deep on Thor, Poseidon or some obscure African deity, why is that? Schizophrenics have a tendency to over analyze things and create meaning when really there isn't one. Not saying JP is literally that, or he would probably have been diagnosed, but the way he appears to overthink everything reminds me of it.@@thefuturist8864

​@@thefuturist8864bingo

I will just point out here that the oral tradition of Greek myths is older than the Hebrew Bible. I would also like to point out the remarkable similarities between Greek myths and Bible stories. No doubt the latter borrowed heavily from the former. Do with that truth what you will.

Boom and amen

How do you demonstrate a god helped you with anything. And just saying 'I couldn't do it by myself' isn't an answer and that would also add another layer of evidence you would need to give.

I called to Him and He helped me. He heard me. He heard my parents and in laws, both marriages heading for divorce, they turned to Jesus. They walk with Jesus now. I have experience Him in my life also. You can have a personal relationship with God. He wants a personal relationship with you. I can tell you about my relationship with susy all day long, but until you get to know her yourself and have your own relationship. You won't have a relationship with her. Obviously an analogy.

@@johnnybgood7442 I was going to share my visions with you. However, I will stick to the Bible as my source of help. I was a drunk and a womanizer for many of my teen years. That is sort of a norm for society these days, but as I started to live by the principles of doctrines of the gospel, my quality of life changed. Around the time I got baptized my mother died, and my heart valve collapsed. At the time a doctor told me 17 years ago, my heart was so swollen I had 3-6 months to live. So I was dirt poor and medical debt was not in the cards for me. So I sent for the priests, and they laid hands on me. In that prayer, they said, "As you live by the principles of the gospel, may your heart be blessed." So long story short, I went back to the doctor. He then said, "Sir, did you do some sort of surgery?" I had not done any, so I looked baffled. He then explained my rib cage had readjusted to accommodate the heart. Whenever I do anything outside of the principles of the Bible my heart changes speed and it feels like I am dying. When I surrendered completely, I have lived until now in harmony with nature and God. I have seen many lives changed, and the people who have been placed into my life are a blessing to my life. I can only testify that this is the work of God.

Fiction is a genre. A narrative, creative genre. Fiction can be false, depending on the intent. If the intent is to deceive, than it’s a lie. But for example, a futuristic dystopian movie, it’s by genre definition a fiction; however it may point to some universal truths. Therefore the fiction it’s not synonymous of falsehood or lie. It’s intent is not to lie; it’s intent is to create a story, a narrative.

...still going lol

shh you cant tell people not to interpret,., they would have to kill their children then,

revelation says that only 144,000 virgin men go to heaven.

@@Stafus No, scripture does not say that.

@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?

Long before factual knowledge? That’s a strange claim. Like the people in genesis had no factual knowledge? What a bizarre claim. The most cutting edge evidence is that Moses actually wrote the book, and he certainly had some serious factual knowledge.

the words ''agnostic and Atheist'' only exist because someone else ''claimed'' ''there is a god'' and was then asked to prove it. the claim has been propagated without proof, so I now need to be labelled ''Atheist'' because the religious could not prove their claims. 8 billion people, a millennia, still no proof and yet I have to carry a label from religious mystics that are desperate to believe in something with no evidence. how dare you label me with no evidence!.

@@Ian-if2lfwhat kind of proof would suffice?

@@maluke8712 irrefutable evidence

@@maluke8712 God or anything supernatural is not proveable by definition. If it was proveable it would just be normality, or science.

Morality There is no objective right or wrong if there is no God. There is no purpose. Everything is a big cosmic accident. But you can't live that out, morality is evidence of a God. ✝️

The effect of prayer is placebic only.

It’s by faith and it’s also by intellect. God did not give us our intellect to throw it into the trashcan. God proves himself out in our lives. And he gave us an intellect to interact with as well. And trust comes over time and experience with God. The intellect is not thrown away. But yes, faith is foundational. And God develops faith in us. And he works with our intellect.

There's a different between believing in God, believing in a God, and believing the Bible is true

Genesis is important and there are very good pastors on you tube that can help you understand. However, and is merely a suggestion, start with the New Testament -you will find the sermon that Jesus gave in Matthew. 👍.

It's hard to understand geneis. Because enoch scripture is removed. Explains what the fallen angels are. And explains more information to the flood

@@Matthew-yr2yr enoch's book is available but there are two versions - whi h one to chose?. It is however very good background to have.

Book of giants

Will also suggest reading john 14:6 and Roman's 10:9.

But it didn't. It made disingenuous points. The bible is meant to be the word of God. If you can't believe 'in the beginning', why believe any of it?

Whether or not the Bible is true in a literal sense, is not the point of this clip. The point is that even for atheists, the Bible has a tremendous amount to offer.

I asked him at a conference once this question and I felt it was significant. "When you see the Bible and you can see these poetic and significant themes, why do you assume the book was invented by poetic men rather than reality itself having been invented by a poetic God?"

@@Andy-gq5hb good question, man. One thing people don’t realise is that the Bible is so profound it could not be written by men

@@kingpin3795it does matter because if it is hell is awaiting

Lool, you jokster.

You are intellectually shallow and spiritually adolescent Your focus on religion, morality, evidence, and atheism demonstrates this You seemingly lack the metaphysical understanding of Self You shall stagnate in your logic and reason until you transcend your egoistically imposed framework Religion is a distorted expression of Fundamental Truth See the Truth as a whole, don’t get preoccupied with its beautiful distortions (unless you want to 😊) You have not yet transcended religion, if you must still religiously and ironically debate against it, stooping to the same level as the “naïve fundamentalist”

An atheist who says I don’t know is not an atheist. They are agnostic

how is the story of adam and eve 2:14 in any way true to the human condition ? I challenge anyone to point out any relevant "truth" in that story.

Would you accept the truth if it would be shown to you?

What’s Agnostic then? Do Agnostics not exist?

And thousands of years later, Jesus referenced Genesis accounts as literal events. Matthew 19:4-5 and Matthew 24: 37-39.

@@funkfamily4165 such a great point. Thank you!

@Actualchristianity Your welcome!

The Big Bang theory doesn't claim to be fiction or poetry. But it is. What else could it be? Nobody was alive 13.8 billion years ago to witness it. It's all reconstructed from what we can see today. So, of course we can say things like "The Big Bang literally happened" but that's not literally literal. We believe it literally happened based on the scientific equivalent of Genesis.

@@funkfamily4165 Had he known Aesop's fables, and referred to them, would he have been vindicating their historicity? Is the story of the Prodigal Son history, or a morality tale?

The problem is that there are claims associated with the Bible and religion generally that claim to be ‘true’ in the literal sense. For example, Jesus was literally god incarnated in the flesh and literally had a physically resurrection. The position as I understand it that Jordan has arrived at is that there are metaphorical truths. For example, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. That’s actually literally false but metaphorically it’s suppose to denote the idea that you can persuade and attract more people being kind and flattering than bitter and aggressive. The problem is that Jordan conflates both of these, he wants to have his metaphorical cake and literally eat it too.

You are presupposing God

@@CMVMic I don’t think I’m presupposing anything (in this context at least). My argument is actually to avoid presupposing. My point is that poetic and artistic stories don’t necessarily imply that they also are fictional.

@@Andy-gq5hb why assume reality was written by a God unless you are presupposing that a God is metaphysically possible

@@CMVMic facepalm...

The bible is a compilation of texts, canonised by religious prelates-some went in while some not. To assume it is "gods word" is baseless and one could even convincingly argue the contrary. This god needed 2 version of Genesis (chapter 1 vs chapter 2 from verse 4 on)? He couldn't remember whether he created plants (gardens) first or man-because both versions differ? Did he order the genocide of peoples (book of Joshua) or did he order to spare many (book of Judges)? The list goes on, and that doesn't even adress his horrible commandments we find in Exodus and Deut. Nah, even considering the bible as 'divine word' is preposterous.

@@lizadowning4389 Thank you for your reply to my comment. The issue I’m dealing with here is on the value of the Bible… Of course with each individual based on upbringing, experience, knowledge we would view it on a different scale. But before I attempt to reply to your point. I would like to know what your understanding of the bible is….Then we can have a place to start on. I think as you have noticed in my comment: I view the Bible as divinely inspired and authoritative.

@@FaithTruthLife In my previous post I already pointed to what my understanding of the bible is. "The" bible does not exist. We have the Tanahk (Hebrew bible) from the MT (Masoretic texts), Septuagint (LXX), christian bible (Hebrew bible + gospels, etcetera). And even within those we have several different versions. E. g. the MT states in Deut 32:8 “According to the number of the sons of Israel.” DSS (Dead Sea Scrolls), Deut 32:8 “According to the number of the sons of god.” And the LXX speaks of the "angels of god". A clear demonstration of "men at work" trying to adapt, accomodate their "views" and "beliefs" by redacting ancient texts that were already written by mythographers. So to me, the biblical texts and all the extant religious texts that didn't "make it into the christian bible" are myth. Those who wrote it, were mythographers, not historians, not even (religiously biased) people trying to found their beliefsystem and religious dogma and doctrine in factual events. There is simply no shred of evidence for the historicity and provenance of what has been written.

As a Conservative atheist, I can mock the Right and their religious lunacy and mock the Left with their lunacy on almost everything including religion. It’s a great world I live in.😊

There is objective truth in the biblical narrative.

Nothing really rewarding ever comes easy.

Faith is a special gift from God. It's a funny thing that you don't generate faith yourself, yet you go to God in faith to ask for any at all faith or more than you already have. Just like loving Him requires Him to put the love in you. If you want to believe, that's the sprout of faith really trying to break the soil of your heart's garden and find some sunlight. He put it there. He intends for it to grow. Lean into it. He's knocking at your heart's door. Let Him in your heart's garden, and He'll turn that sprout of faith into a grove of mighty oaks, with roots so deep they find water in a desert. That's how you find real peace and solidarity in life. Those oaks don't grow overnight, though. I'm just saying I'm sending this to two people.

It isn't work! It's about accepting a free gift of forgiveness, legally aquired by Christ through his death on the cross. He died in your place to rescue you from you fallen nature. God is on a massive rescue mission to save people from his righteous wrath. God is righteous because he is holy, which is why he won't give anyone a free ride. All the work has already been done 2000 years ago on that cross!

@@jaikee9477 Christ did not die. If he did, he wouldn’t have risen the next day to go to heaven. And he is coming back, right? And Christians don’t believe in reincarnation, so how is he dead? And dying as a martyr was actually his destiny, isn’t that right?

@@esa916 I am not familiar with Stoicism. what is it/

Edit is because of gd autocorrect.

I say respectfully that atheism is a faith that believes in magic. As in the universe and all life came from essentially nothing. The tree of life resulting from belief in Darwinism or neo Darwinism has been proven a sham by science, in knowledge of the genome for example. It's back to the drawing board on any theory's of evolution.

Nothing gains new information even a virus , only looses information which make changes. Your being lied to

If you're curious about God, then stop calling yourself a unbeliever then.

​@@summerrose8110Why, and what do you mean by unbeliever? I have my definition, but what I mean is not some spitfeul, God hating, arrogant, and ignorant person when I say unbeliever. I mean just someone who lacks belief. I think the OP is just saying he is interested in biblical theology, God, and he isn't a pompous atheist.

@@summerrose8110 No, curiosity does not imply belief, nor can you choose your beliefs.

You could be the type that only thinks some parts are literal, and the rest is lesson or myth. Some Christians believe Jesus was the only literal part of the Bible, hence why he was so important, the one time the story met reality, hence why the bible refers to him as "word becoming flesh". Of course, others will call them blasphemous for even suggesting that haha...

You are not alone: it is probably best to live with the ambiguity.

Don’t believe, just KNOW You don’t have to know any specific thing Just KNOW, as such And you will be like Christ You’re problem is your logical hangups, be more chill with the Bible you don’t have to make yourself believe, just experience it and let it go

Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on you. Art of Salvation by Elder Ephraim is a good read. Elder Ephraim founded 18 monasteries in USA, 1 in Canada, maybe if you're close to one you could visit and talk to a priest monk if you meet one you're comfortable with.

For most of my life I have considered myself atheist. No longer. I can’t call myself a believer either. When you learn about really ancient humans from the oldest writings, you realise there is so much unknown about our past. I think it hobbles you intellectually if you can’t open your mind to all possibilities. Atheism is therefore for the truly closed minded imo.

So but there would be no critical questions right?

the words ''agnostic and Atheist'' only exist because someone else ''claimed'' ''there is a god'' and was then asked to prove it. the claim has been propagated without proof, so I now need to be labelled ''Atheist'' because the religious could not prove their claims. 8 billion people, a millennia, still no proof and yet I have to carry a label from religious mystics that are desperate to believe in something with no evidence. how dare you label me with no evidence!.

... The evidence is all around you, 0+0 does not equal 1 You have a creator. You can choose to deny Him.

@@Ian-if2lf If one admits his or her sinful condition (total spiritual depravity) and reads the bible, they will discover that it is God's/Jesus Christ's love letter to all those who believe and are born of the Holy Spirit, born from above, born again. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.

@@GodSoLoved.Yeshua not necessarily, Zero to the power of zero, denoted by 0 , is a mathematical expression that is either defined as 1 or left undefined, depending on context. bring the evidence

These are very poor interpretations of the scriptures you’re quoting. It’s easy to cherry pick some verses like this, but not grapple with the full narrative of what they mean.

@@MarkMetternichPhotographyLLC Actually, I take the inspired words for what they say... If you find a different meaning than what the words say is you changing the words. I don't add or take away words. I see them for what they are. You are changing their meaning.

@@MarkMetternichPhotographyLLC Also, how is quoting any Bible verse "cherry picking"? It is what it is. It isn't what you wish it to be. Ananias, his wife, Achan, his innocent family, all his belongings and all the rebellious sons were stoned and burned and destroyed for disobedience.... What world do you live in? it must not be God's word-- and if you aren't following his word I don't think you are obeying him...

That can work if you cherry pick the good parts.

Yes, well, the NT reminds slaves to give full respect to their masters. Don't forget, don't make it a projection of what you think it is.... it is what it says. It is the inspired and preserved word of God. 1 Timothy 6: *All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.* 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, *they should serve them EVEN BETTER because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.* ^ *These are the things you are to teach and insist on. *3 If anyone teaches OTHERWISE and does not agree to the SOUND INSTRUCTION of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing.* They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 6 But godliness with *contentment* is great gain. 7 *For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it.* 8 But if we have *food and clothing*, we will *be content with that.* 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. 11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time-God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, *whom no one has seen or can see*. To him be honor and might forever. Amen. 17 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life. 20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith. Grace be with you all.

That's how religion was birthed, the point for religion is for people to get close to God, than man added traditional and laws into their religions to suit what men wanted. Jesus said your body is your temple, man turned it into a building for them to preach in. You see I could take out say, all the chapters of +Luke+, than write and publish Luke, than create traditions and laws to follow, build a congregation and call it +The Luke In Christ Church+. There is now 4,000 Christian religions globally. Yet there is only 1 solid paper Bible.

@@chrisgraham2904no one cherry picks anything about the Bible, we just understand what it says. Non Christians who tend to not understand it think we are supposed to use it all equally 100% of the time. Time passes in the Bible, things change

@@jacobi-vision3249 LOL That certainly is not true. Since there over 200 different forms of Christian churches, which all have different interpretations of the same book and each determines what percentage and what messages they use from it. Most disregard, or make excused for the immoral actions of the Abrahamic God. Most Christians believe that the perfect word of God is absolute and timeless and never subject to change.

"Your Truth?" ....or the actual truth, that can be supported by verifiable, demonstrable and repeatable evidence?

Fiction obviously can't be supported by any of those things... but it's not false, mental gymnastics it sounds to me

@@richardbigham4138Peterson is notorious for taking "the deep dive" into issues, but in this case he has dived hundreds of feet deeper than the average Christian to develop his interpretation. Peterson is saying that the fictional story of Star Wars, for example, contains certain truths, such as the struggle between good and evil, as Luke Skywalker battles against Darth Vader. So, it is a story of truth. However, Nobody should be making the claim that Luke Skywalker, Princess Laya, Chewbacca and Darth Vader, or the Death Star actually exist in reality.

@@chrisgraham2904 I'm not really sure if I should thank you for further illustrating my point since I didn't really ask you to but JP's lecture can also be used in favor of the "live your truth" philosophy using the same logic. Anyway, thanks for playing.

So is it “true” or merely “Bible true” that the earth was created a mere 6,000 or so years ago? I mean, how wrong can a “truth” be before it is simply wrong/untrue?

Because he understood grammar

JP is a 100% bogus. Just putting hollow phrases on top of each other in his endless quest to get rich.

@@bikerrecumbent1064 : Well said communist dupe. Enjoy the Great Tribulation.

Within ten seconds of the video, he's literally talking about how being fiction doesn't mean it's automatically false.

@@Dan-km8zy Thank you for the reply, I suppose I misunderstood when one of the speakers said that Genesis wasn't written for or against evolution. I heard that as the implication is that evolution could co exist with the Genesis account.

Possibly, the first scriptures were poetry, or mythology about human nature?

revelation says only 144,000 virgin men go to heaven, no one else AT ALL.

The belief that the stories of the Bible are literally true, not just metaphorical or hyperbolic, is a perspective held by many individuals and religious communities. However, it's important to note that interpretations of religious texts, including the Bible, can vary widely among different religious traditions and denominations. While some people take a literalist approach to the Bible, others interpret it allegorically, symbolically, or metaphorically. The claim that historical documentation backs up the Bible beyond any doubt is a perspective that aligns with the faith-based belief in the historical accuracy of the Bible. It's true that certain events and places mentioned in the Bible have been supported by archaeological and historical evidence. However, the interpretation of these findings can be complex and may not always align with a strict literalist interpretation of the Bible. Historians, archaeologists, and scholars often approach ancient texts and artifacts with a critical and evidence-based methodology. While some events in the Bible have been corroborated by historical and archaeological discoveries, other events remain a matter of faith and interpretation. The diversity of interpretations and beliefs surrounding the Bible highlights the complexity of religious and historical understanding. It's essential to approach discussions about religious texts with respect for different perspectives and engage in open dialogue to foster understanding among individuals with varying beliefs.

It does have incredible historical evidence. Most people are not aware of the most cutting edge and newest archaeological finds.

@@Stafusvirgin? Where do you get that? But yes, the unique book of the revelation flips the golden rule of interpretation upside down.

Correct. God is always kept a little mystery in some of the things that he has communicated to us. A more literal interpretation may very well be true. But I don’t think we’ll ever get to the point where we can prove that. Because then many humans would be Trying to jam God down peoples throats. He always leaves a little mystery there.

I felt that they didn't address Jordan Peterson's question sufficiently. Peterson was asking about their thoughts on the transcendental power of truth (In German transzendente Wahrheit) in the Adam and Eve narrative. Both literal and symbolic, the biblical narrative echoes a religious, metaphysical, or existential truth that conveys and surpasses both the literal and the symbolic, arriving at an all-encompassing narrative theme, among other themes, that are enduring and cyclical patterns in the collective consciousness and experiences of mankind. They could have touched on the Aramaic language itself, or proto-Hebrew, which is a multi-faceted language rooted in symbols, sounds, letters, and meanings for each letter. So not only are poetry, alliteration, symbolism, and patterns a part of the biblical narrative, but they echo the language, experience, and even more broadly, the consciousness of the creator's form of communication as a mirror of the immaterial (sounds, speech) reflected into the literal (letters, symbols) in a way that carries meaning, feeling, and messages as motifs as lessons that we should learn and live by. Knowledge and truth itself are both spiritual (Religious) and material, (empirical) and this is what Atheists miss that Peterson was suggesting to his speakers.

he loves post-modernism when it suits him

Religion is mythology. Fiction. We can hear your mental illness and your comment. The remedy is to read more non-fiction. Your brain sounds broken.

Goodness me, what a busy troll!@@tyroneallen7857

Agree, Sola Scriptura.

@saliadee2564 thank you! As Christians, we are called to defend our faith and spread the good news. God bless.

@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 🙂👍

That is a tasty tasty comment.

You wouldn't because Genesis says nothing about apples.

@@onesimozondani5774 Everybody knows that, lad. You see, I am making a cheesy joke.

Nope - didn't happen to me. In fact, I was horrified by what I read in the OT.

"Moses instructed the soldiers to kill all women who had ever had sex with a man, and to keep the women and girls who were still virgins for themselves." I just can't get enough!

Did you finish the book? Most people get stumped on the first books. Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you. I guarantee there is something special in the Bible, most miss it. All glory to God. He opened my eyes to understand. There is a special message in the Bible and it's for you.

@@GodSoLoved.Yeshua There’s certainly a lot of death and destruction in the OT. Have you read it? What is edifying about that?

@@DocnoXXX If one admits his or her sinful condition (total spiritual depravity) and reads the bible, they will discover that it is God's/Jesus Christ's love letter to all those who believe and are born of the Holy Spirit, born from above, born again. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.

Are you a Christian?

Real bible believers channel would be great for you. His studies are numbered intermediate discipleship #1 and so on and he's a Pastor and Dr and grad from Berkley. Bible believing KJV dispenstionalism.

I quite agree. As someone that used to be in an IFB church and spiritually grew past that, it is pretty evident how people can skip context in order to push the laws/traditions of men. I'm also not a liberal Christian by any measure though the most fundamentalists would think so.

@redgoesface1671 I would check out real bible believers channel. He is IFB , KJV only with dispenstionalism because the bible calls to rightly divide. His channel is awesome and his playlists have crazy good information using scripture alone. He even does history lessons so you can see the bible throughout history. Here's a video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a_zeuJOpSWA.htmlsi=qF_VLWJ9kYjFdwID

When will you accept that this manuscript can ONLY BE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED?? The human intellect created Good and Evil, God did not, as God IS OMNIPRESENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, INCORPOREAL, INFINITE CONSCIOUSNESS, or SPIRIT! The Material World is the Illusion based upon man's ignorance, and his penchant to accept good and evil as reality when it IS NOT!! No man, no church, no school, no lesson learned through the human intellect is truth!!! One Truth, One Principle: OMNIPRESENCE!!! There is nothing else! In Silence This Truth will be Imparted to you through the Activity of Your Consciousness, but only in Silence, as God is NOT IN THE WHIRLWIND(Material Based Existence), God is in the Still Small Voice that shows us the path through the Dying Daily to all that we've been taught!! God IS OMNIPRESENCE, therefore, God is the Life of your very being!! Acknowledge this as many Mystics throughout history have, and you will also Demonstrate this Principle AS THEY DID IN THEIR LIVES!!

As much as I like a lot of things Ne says and stands for Iwould first find out what He actually believes. It’s very hard to nail down and quite concerning. His recent interview with Piers Morgan for example. We need to know if he believes in the fundamental doctrines of scripture A person becomes a Christian by an act of God, not through intellect. It’s by being “born again” which happens by repentance and faith.

@@ourclarioncall Contrary to many other Christians I think it's pretty clear what Jordan Peterson believes. But we dont know his heart as much as we dont know the heart of our closest friend. It's between him and God. Also repentance and faith is an ongoing procedure. You don't repent and believe just once in your lifetime and that's it. Repentance, modesty and faith is a lifestyle. And it's a lifestyle that won't save you btw. Repentance, modesty and faith are God's gifts towards us and their sheer existence saves us. And as soon as we understand this, our lifestyle will adapt naturally. Most Christians get this wrong. They think they have to belief human beliefs in order to be saved which leads to spiritual abuse eventually. But no, God's gift to us means that we are able to believe and hope. The truth (for everyone to see) is that modesty and repentance is the only way to achieve love and hope (again, its a daily decision). As soon as we understand that our lifestyle will change accordingly. Out of love for God, not out of fear. There might also be times when we understand that and times when we dont. Your Christian title doesnt mean anything to God. Its only about your heart.

Clearly you didn’t.

That is a lie to be told and told to be lied. You are a known liar based on your comment. Read more non-fiction. Your brain is broken.

Yeah, no. 0 scientifically approved proof buddy.

@@joeyblogsythere so many things that science has not & cannot prove that ARE true. Believing that only scientifically proven things can be true just limits your mind & makes you a sheep. Before gravity was scientifically explained, it was still factually real. Don’t let science be your religion & what you worship. Otherwise, you’re a slave to man and are open to receive and believe any information they want you to, whenever they want. You also close your mind off to other ideas if they tell you to. Study both sides with an unbiased, pride-free mind & you will find truth

@@joeyblogsy Yeah or no? The bible: The universe had a beginning Science: The universe had a beginning The bible: All life proceeds from life. Science: All life proceeds from life. The bible: You reap what you sow. Science: You reap what you Sow.

​@@JesusThineBeTheGloryThe Bible: prayer works. Science: prayer works as well as not praying.

Amen, Seriously do so When you get to Romans, Galatians, Corinthians, Thessolonians, Great Books The Book of Danial and Ephesians are Also great ones.. You can't Never go wrong with Psalms and Proverbs!!

Please do! My favorite Bible story is when some children make fun of a man’s baldness and god sends a bear down to maul the children. Classic God.

Spoilers, god hates its creation, has regret and then murders millions in his regret. LOL. NT god is a new god that has experienced ego death. Too bad it too will eventually regret its creation and murder billions.

@@storminmormn6283 mine is when this one and only god says Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image where does the "US" and "OUR" come from how many gods are there?

@@storminmormn6283 Nice 1, storm.