What TV Shows Get Wrong (and Right!) About Therapy 

Not sure if it'll be possible but could you do a video on conquering phobias? I've only had one experience with a therapist who tried exposure therapy but in my opinion, rushed it which really put me off. Knowing what to look for in this specialist area or even just some tips on handling it myself would be amazing.

It was kind of hard for me to reach out and admit that I need therapy.

Please make a video on Nimona.

Can you guys please do a character analysis from a Korean drama?

My X boyfriend was narcissist. I still feel I didn't value the relationship enough I didn't make him feel validated. I hurt person even he was a narcissist I feel I need to take accountability hurting this person

The Good Place is amazing.

I tried to watch it but it triggered more existencial crisises lol

YESS IT'S A MASTERPIECE OMG

A Chidi episode would be right up their alley

Yes, I hope that they do a Psychology of a Hero Analysis of the main characters.

Yeah, I did not get good vibes from her in general. She just seemed really condescending, which is fair coming from a normal person talking to this awful young girl, but she is a professional therapist who is actually meant to help rather than judge.

Yeah but to be fair to the writers, she was a red herring so they had to add suspicious elements to her personality. I give her a solid B because I feel like everything else she did in that scene was pretty good.

Absolutey agree. Not to mention her leaning in and staring. She presents as over-eager, almost predatory, giving off strong venus flytrap vibes. I'd be running for the hills in 5 seconds flat.

Absolutely agree. She’s giving Umbridge vibes saying that she’s safe and then violating Wednesday’s trust by reading her work without her permission. Also, I think the tense and eerie music supports this view as well. It’s not only Wednesday’s experience, but the audience as well.

Honestly, also the 'you can't leave yet' thing, like hello?????? Way to make someone feel comfortable. I'm more surprised that the therapist somehow isn't picking up on how uncomfortable she's making wednesday.

Another therapist Georgia Dow calls Raynor out for not following up on this. She gave him shit about not being open but does nothing when Bucky finally decides to do so? And it's hard for Sam not to gloss over when Raynor just ends the session like that. It's her responsibility to lead a therapy in a certain direction so I don't put the blame on him. Fortunately Sam makes up for it a few episodes later. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rbBEViyIZtA.html&pp=ygU2cmVhbCB0aGVyYXBpc3QgcmVhY3RzIHRvIGZhbGNvbiBhbmQgdGhlIHdpbnRlciBzb2xkaWVy

YES! That frustrated me too

Same! I didn't understand the therapist's sarcasm at the end.

YES!!! that was so frustrating!

I wonder if this gets quoted as an example of Marvel's "irony poisoning"?

It certainly helps that Iroh has been through war and through his travels through the four nations, learns that one side is never _completely_ right no matter who’s perspective it is viewed from. He’s just amazing and I’ve yet to see a show or movie hit me as hard as “Leaves From the Vine”.

@@tlkfanrwbyfan8716 The wars are definitely a big part of it, but I think the lesson he took was less "one side is never completely in the right" and more ""no matter who's right, violence sucks, and should only be used when every alternative has been exhausted AND whatever it is is worth fighting for". The Fire Nation is pretty unambiguously in the wrong in ATLA, but that doesn't make the lives lost on their side of the war, Iroh's own son included, any less of a tragedy.

Im also interested in Zuko as well. I literally just commented in another video about zuko but iroh would be amazing.

Nah. Zuko

@@sheesh994 Yeah, Zuko's arc of working through trauma and recognizing that doing bad things for the approval of a bad person won't bring him peace would be another good video topic. Closely related though, given how much of Iroh's screentime is devoted to helping Zuko reach that point.

He really was an wonderful Dr. Definitely someone I would've trusted with my well-being.

If you watch the whole show, you'll see that Iggy sometimes is too needy with his patients. In some episodes he wants the kids to be his friend too much. Probably because he went through a crisis himself.

I like that balance and kinda wish they didn't pick just the s-tier moment.

@@papercrafttherapist7998he is human, makes mistakes, but I think he is a great doctor anyway. And this clip is amazing

I have to add, that the kid in that scene seems like an incredible actor. I haven't watched the show, but that tiny clip moved me to tears, especially because the kid did such an excellent job acting.

Yeeeees, I loved that scene! She was constantly so frustrated being his therapist, but always kept herself professional (aside from the payments she got ahaha). It was kinda nice to see her finally just say "eff it, I'm gonna tell you straight to your face!"

The whole dynamic between Lucifer and Dr. Linda is a bit far-fetched, but also hilarious

I loved Dr. Linda. She's who I'd want as a therapist if she existed IRL. :D

"Maze is pissed with you because you used her!!!"

I REALLY REALLY REALLY want them to do Lucifer. I LOVE that show. 😂 🤘😈🤘

I so agree with you.

please don't forget it was court mandated. but i agree you are right in that she could have respected her more.

I interpreted the therapist from Wednesday as a satire of therapy

My take on Wednesday’s therapist was that whoever selected her hadn’t done their homework. An absolute horrible match for the patient. And she overstepped her boundaries.

Child psychologist from the Netherlands here, I had the same feeling! I felt like she was too steering and confronting regarding her client

👏🏾 Exactly

@@Firegen1 Thanks, nice to see you again, Firegen1! 💞

​@@trinaqIt's always good to you, too Trina! 😊💕 Keep being awesome you

@@Firegen1 Thanks, right back at you! I hope that our paths will cross again soon. 😘

​@@trinaq Thank you 😊! Me too. We enjoy big heart, big brain content. ✊🏾

Holy shit. Your therapist also described my problem. 😂

Wow that's a deep insight. Thank you for sharing that :)

This reminds me of a young woman I cared for with kidney failure. She had been on dialysis extremly young, and received a transplant before she turned 18. As she reached adulthood and dealt with mental illness and the change in healthcare team after 18, she stopped taking her transplant medications and her transplant failed. She carried this guilt that she had destroyed this "gift" of a kidney. I tried to shift the perspective for her - her untreated MEDICAL diagnosis of depression, had the side effect of impacting another medical diagnosis. It was not a personal failing, it was a failure of the system to catch her as she free-fell into depression.

The marshmallow study also failed to control for trust in authority - does the child have authority figures in their lives who would fulfill this promise of more marshmallows later? What race are those authority figures, and does it match the race of the study authority figures?

Thank you for passing it on. I relate to this a lot too. I am not a therapist, but when youve been in that system for a while with burnt out workers and a system thats barely functioning, you pick up a few things. And when one therapist comes along and is actually able to see you as a person, and form that connection, sometimes they find the right words to say, they can see what the issue actually is, and speak to you in the language you know best. I wasnt always being honest with them, which was part of the problem. But i knew they could take away the little i did have without understanding it was the only threads i had left to hold onto. (Online friends back then werent "real" they were strangers trying to lure you into their van). But what i really needed was someone to see the overarching question i really had, the "whats the point of it all?" And that i didnt have support, that they couldnt change my parents into that, that they couldnt "manifest" friends with real connections and support into my life. (Ie join a club, do a class, generic meet people regularly types of generic advice didnt work for me. I couldnt make people like me). Its hard to convey to them that it wasnt straight forward. Some things just have to be observed. I know the pattern, i can relay the pattern but not the key factor in why its a pattern or find a way out of it myself. Other people have the key but do not hand it to me, the same way other people have your name, you are the one that uses your name the least.

Also she gives wednesday absolutely No Time to come to Terms with the fact that she is in therapy or to build Trust. Instead she confronts her directly even though wednesday is already about to Close down. She s No where near a useful Trustlevel and she gives wednesday No reasons to build one. I only Had Basic counseling in Uni and they would have criticised me heavily for such a Style

@@myriamh.2182 good points! she's a terrible terrible therapist in the show for and that's intentional. Which is why I was surprised that they almost praise her as the point of this scene was literally to establish how bad she is. The music alone makes it ominous and communicates how upset Wednesday is!

Also how Otis's own biases as a straight white cis male can prevent him from helping his clients in a meaningful way. There's a reason that women tend to seek female therapists, BiPOC people look for BiPOC therapists, etc.

That would be an amazing series to focus on! So many painfully real moments. Also, the therapists are the main characters, which is in contrast to what we so frequently see

Yes omg!!!

I don’t remember if they’ve ever gone over it and some therapists aren’t comfortable with it, but the best advice I’ve heard was “Even if it’s your therapist, ask questions. Ask how to improve certain aspects in several different ways instead of just what you think would be best for yourself. Ask at your job how to do other things” and the most important thing they ever said to me which I wish I had done more of towards them, “Ask your friends and family how they’re doing, ESPECIALLY when you see they’re in their usual state, but possibly subdued. Everyone asks if you’re ok when you look not ok, but nobody asks when you look fine.”

I'm so glad you found a fitting therapist.

I can relate... which, I find kind of funny since we share a name

I think I've been there and Jono has such a sweet soul I even watch Cinema Therapy whenever I'm feeling deeply sad, it really helps me

Omg yes. My exact experiences.

Yeah she kind of violated her trust and had her own biases going in and was trying to steer her in a certain direction that she felt would have her desired client outcome to me. Her sickly sweet act was definitely a front until Wednesday showed her that she wasn’t going to melt to it so she had to try and “match” her energy. Which, normally I guess is good if the therapist is dealing with a difficult client but it came across as almost combative. And don’t even get me started on the family therapy session. That being said though, I feel like unless you watch the entire show the context of her words and methods and some of the things she does after this first session helps in judging how good of a therapist she actually is. In my opinion she really was the worst of them all.

I agree. Having not watched the show, seeing only this clip, my first impression was how off-putting she felt, even beyond what the show is trying to make you feel from Wednesday's POV. Her "niceness" seemed insincere and she felt very "on the offensive". Maybe it was the characterization or pacing, like you said not building up a relationship first, but I didn't come away from that clip thinking she was a good therapist.

She demands trust off the bat, then tells Wednesday how to feel and why she was wrong. She should have started off slow and probed into why Wednesday released piranhas in the pool. If she had done some digging she would have discovered that Wednesday is incredibly protective of her brother, and that Family is one of her core values. After she figured that out she should have steered her patient in the direction she could have gone to instead while fulfilling her need as a sister. Wednesday also has a tenuous relationship with her mother, mainly because Morticia doesn't allow her daughter to develop a sense of self. Demanding to explore that dynamic without understanding how highly Wednesday values her sense of self is completely detrimental.

@@LittleHobbit13 I've also only seen the clip and completely agree. The sweet is put on and I'm quite surprised they don't see it.

When a patient would rather climb out a window and over a roof, you know they're a bad therapist.

I was also thinking about Dr. Linda she helps so many intimidating figures

I’m glad I found this comment because I was thinking about the same thing!

Dr. Linda is a good pick!

But how many times would she be struck off, lol

I have watched the entire series three times and there is an episode where Lucifer sits in her office after he was so angry he punched a hole in her wall and he has apologized. Then she calmly asks him, “Why did you think I would be mad?” And I feel so seen and vulnerable in that moment! She got many things wrong, but the healing of Lucifer in her office was awesome.

i would watch that!!

Agreed! I actually think that scene shows that sometimes breakthroughs can happen in strange ways. I also did not find the therapist's affect to be grating.

Eyyyo are you me? No, I didn't get any help 😢 Hopefully soon though

@@Nerobyrne it took me almost two decades to finally get help and another six years to finally get properly diagnosed. And that sucks because I lost 32 years of my life to struggling, but at least I finally am on the right path. Don’t give up.

​@@BeeWhistler I absolutely, completely, 100% agree with you. The system is broken af. I'm autistic, and our system is so damn broken that my life expectancy is two decades less than my NT peers. I absolutely know those feelings you're articulating and had given up myself many, many times. The fact that I managed to make it through those 20 years is something I still don't understand because, oh damn, was it close. There needs to be MAJOR systemic overhaul to properly help and support ND, mentally ill, and trauma-surviving folks (in the US anyway) - categories all of which I'm lucky enough to belong, so my rage at the system is compounded. People shouldn't have to struggle and fight and suffer like that in this day and age. It's unacceptable.

It took me 20 years as well to find a great therapist that helped me and changed my life forever. It is really hard. I am really proud of myself for pushing. (Just for context I am not from the US and the difficulties I had are a little different, in some cases way worst than in the US and in others better)

I’m right there with you. Finding therapy and testing (ADHD) for myself and my kids has been rough. We are in a rural area and so lists of therapists don’t ever seem to cover us. I encountered a psychiatric practice that wouldn’t help me with my ADHD because they don’t write any prescriptions for controlled substances?! How…how do you practice psychiatry without? We have managed something to help each of our kids get along and function. In areas such as ours a Speed Dating type of event where you move around a room meeting all the therapists and can ask questions and see if you like them and vibe with them would be so helpful. Right now the big mental health clinic assigns you a therapist, somewhat based on your issues and their education, but I got a NP who was awful, like truly… my family doctor on hearing about this person said “that’s excessive, I’ll write your scrips…” I could see where this NP might be ok for someone else…but she treated me like I knew nothing about ADHD and I know a fair amount, plus I’m an RN. We get burned out by the search, if we can function without therapy we wind up giving up!

Wednesday's therapist is AWFUL and I'm 100% sure she was written like that on purpose to make her appear suspicious.

Thank you! Took the words right out of my mouth

Yeah, she did everything to have Wednesday shut off completely.

I also agree the therapist was awful way too confrontational especially for a first session. First couples of session should be about building rapport and very little to no confrontation in general

Agreed.

If we're only looking at the "couple therapy" scene, I think Dr Raynor's approach was effective. But going back to the episode before where we see one of Bucky's solo sessions - I think she was not a good match at all. Not that she didn't care because I do think she did care. And maybe in dealing with vets there does need to be a certain "no bs" attitude. What I have a problem with was her actual approach to his issues. He's not just a vet dealing with PTSD. And he's not just a person who did bad things he regrets. She approached it like as if he was an alcoholic or addict; maybe some bad things you did were out of your control because you weren't sober, but there was still a choice made to get drunk/high whatever. Bucky never had a choice. The closer comparison would be treating him like a cult survivor. Someone who was severely manipulated, was a victim himself. They never talk about the torture he suffered, only the pain he *inflicted* (against his will).

@@echoingvistas So in think you have a point here but looking at Bucky and how he also isn't taking the steps he needs to move past those actions it is clear (to me at least) that he cant let go of his guilt. I think he feels like he is still responsible and simultaneously wants his "victims" to exact vengeance on him and is afraid of what that would look like. I also don't think Bucky can allow himself at that time to see himself as a victim so then it does kind of become a strategy of finding the problem with the most easily accessible solution. That most easily accessible solution seems like getting Bucky the tools he needs to be able to forgive himself then when the pressure of that has eased he can work on getting him to accept he was powerless and a victim. Its one thing to accept that things happened to you out of your control and another thing entirely to accept that you were a victim especially from the generation that Bucky was a part of i think.

​@@masterxm1972I actually agree with all of that. Of course Bucky doesn't see himself as a victim. My issue was Dr Raynor treating him like he was not a victim. "You did the bad things, you need to fix them" does not help someone who already thinks that when it's wrong. How is he ever supposed to try to forgive himself if a professional is telling him that his inner demons are right? I'm not a psychologist by any means, so please someone tell me if I'm off on the approach, but it just feels like confirmation bias. And hey, maybe literally no one but Steve has said to him "none of this was your fault." Especially when Bucky is going to people like Yori Nakajima to tell them the truth and they're (rightfully) upset. I dunno. I think the exercise was helpful in the end, I just feel like it should have been presented differently.

Bucky's "aggressive comminication" here was fairly typical of someone who has very severe trauma. As professionals Dr Raynor and especially Sam should have recognized that. Instead, Sam basically responds like a petulant child and takes offense. Bucky literally *doesn't know* how to communicate his pain, guilt, fear and trauma because he was not able to do that with HYDRA and then after he escaped them nobody realized the full extent of what they did to him, and would have just seen it as self-pity. Sam's reaction is in no way jusitified to a person who is so damaged and broken as Bucky. Especially not in a moment when he is *finally* opening up and his response would have been extremely harmful in any kind of real-world context. If anything Sam is being incredibly selfish and only thinking of himself and his feelings when the therapy session is *not about him*. He was told that. Its about Bucky. Dr Raynor should also not have just let it go like that and should have followed it up. Not understanding that Bucky was also a victim is a major problem with both he characters and the series overall.

YES, they were both so good!! Maybe This Session is a masterpiece performance 😄

The episodes where Rebecca gets her diagnosis and when she’s finally on her medication, and when she relapses while she’s with new Greg and the song the Darkness…. So many psych breakthrough moments ❤

so glad you mentioned her - she's such a great and beautifully written character !!

Love that show!!! 😍

I think about the "antidepressants are so not a big deal" song every time I talk to anyone about medication lol

I loved the show "The Falcon and the Winter Soldier" and was always curious what a real therapist who specialized in therapy with veterans would think of those therapy sessions, especially the one shown here.

Yeah I was wondering if it was just her personality take no bs kind of approach. In that way how is she that much different than the therapist helping Frasier in his scene?

Yeah, I've always read her as done with their shit and not actually having gotten to the therapy, yet. To me she seems like the person who specializes in getting stubborn people to admit they need therapy and be willing to participate (as I remember Sam and Bucky are not there voluntarily). It's likely that she isn't their first therapist and isn't intended to be their last.

Yeah, I disagree with Johnathan on this. I think her approach was correct in this setting.

It's been awhile since I watched the show, and my memory isn't the best, but I'd have sworn that she was a government employee who WAS burnt out and seemed to be counting the days to retirement .

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@@CinemaTherapyShow loved this video! But you should definitely do a therapy video on Iroh from Avatar The Last Airbender

Thank you for putting into words what I’ve felt every time I’ve seen the scene in Wednesday! You were spot on.

I very much appreciate what you’ve said here, especially about exploring that empty place and Wednesday’s positive attributes, and agree.

Frasier is such a great show!

I think what really cheesed me off the show was that two of the three men dealt with it and grew...but Frazier never actually did.

That is actually consistent though. We always look to help others and forget about ourselves. As a kid there was a saying, “the shoemakers kids have holes in their shoes”. It just means that we do our jobs looking to take care of others and it is usually ourselves or those closest to us that become overlooked.

I don’t know if the therapists was good however. He already knew he felt empty (which is why he called) so it wasn’t a breakthrough. But maybe the scene goes on and the therapists says something useful.

@@dclark142002 But deep down, that's kind of the point. But it's also why Frasier as a character and a series, underneath the comedy is a little depressing. He's a man who really truly struggles through life. Those around him seem to find a purpose, but he is desperate to find the same thing. That's the deep premises, he helps others, but he can't help himself.

Omg I haven’t thought about that show in ages. You’re absolutely right! I watched it as a kid but the fact that he was severe OCD and needed a therapist made sense to me. I feel like that show for it’s time was brilliant

I’ve heard great things about that show, I need to find where to watch it all

I thought -- Mork from Ork?

@@kyze8284Peacock!

@@kyze8284 prime video has it

Have you looked into Adventure Therapy? It sounds like it would be right up your alley.

Thank you for your perspective! I appreciate learning.

Also autistic, and Wednesday's therapist creeped me out through my tiny phone screen... I keep telling my mental health professionals over and over that I'm autistic. Mostly so far they have refused to tell me whether or not they agree I'm also ADHD (probably they think I just want methylphenidate or something)

Same! I wish there was therapist who help the helpers would love to try to be one someday

I can empathize. I find myself analyzing technique. Ultimately, I guess like any client in that regard, I found myself kissing many frogs until I found someone with the heart I was looking for. Unfortunately, he didn't have the right skill set, but he walked me down the road as far as he could. And then I found my current therapist, who has both the heart and the skill set. I wish you well on your journey to find the right person. I'm an MFT by the way 😊

Made me tear up as well, not because of what you said, but because the way Ted was describing his father reminded me so strongly of my Dad. He didn't commit suicide though, he died of am aggressive brain tumour when I was in my early 20s. But like Ted's father, Dad was a humble guy and he never really understood, or believed, how awesome he really was. Fortunately I got the chance to tell him before he died, for which I'm grateful. It helps now. I still miss him decades later.

Yup, adapt and match the tone and personality of clients not one size fits all.

Ikr? I don't think her being authoritative was her "not having passion for the job", it was her ensuring she's being listened to. Both Sam and James are extremely opinionated and stubborn, sitting down and going "Let's talk about your feelings" would get them nowhere. She basically tricked James into speaking his mind and he actually ended up in a place of autoreflection, which in effect forces Sam to realize James wasn't acting the way he was just because he wanted to be difficult or didn't like him.

I would love to see an episode regarding making the best out of mandatory counseling/therapy. The entire approach is shifted due to that thorny "M" word. A mistake shouldn't define the entire relationship between two people, but it almost entirely does in required Counseling. A good movie for that might be Antwon Fisher. I'm always so proud of a fictional Navy seaman who decided not to let his past define his direction.

The only note I have about her is that she used a notebook during Bucky's one on one. Which is pretty inappropriate given his trauma.

I agree with all of this, but I also got "exasperated mom" vibes, and I feel like that was used to portray then like bickering siblings. This wasn't just soldiers in therapy, this also was very much family therapy. On one level, as brothers in arms, but also through their relationship with Captain America .

Absolutely, and you could even throw in Guinan, even though she's not a therapist exactly she does just as much as Troi throughout the show.

​@@grahamvaneck8906honestly she was more of a therapist that Troi.

Sydney is great! The fact that when his life, and job, gets too much for him he goes *to* the 4077 for R&R always makes me laugh. And at the end of that show... Just... Damn, having to see what's left of the people that he clearly Loves dearly.

I LOVE Sydney. If they do him, I hope they steer well clear of Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Or do him in the show and the series finale. I'd like to see the insight on how Sydney deals with people who are coping, not so much on how he deals with someone detained for care for what is a pretty fantastic scenario (though probably also a true story).

“Dear Sigmund.” That’s the episode.

​@@templarw20Agree 💯

Yes!! Sydney is incredible! "Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice: Pull down your pants when you slide on the ice." Such a silly man with wonderful empathy and wisdom.

I've definitely told many people to just go spend time with 7 Cups of Tea or something similar, and/or otherwise validated people who have bemoaned how much trying many professionals hasn't yet helped them because the professionals they have found so far have been too eggheady about their stuff or tried to be all "doctor" but without actually going with them--rather, going ahead, and doing diagnosing but without actually connecting, as Jono says...I put it as, "sometimes you need a professional and sometimes you need a medicine and sometimes you need information, and sometimes you just need a human being to be a human being and to treat you like a human being."

I loved in treatment as well. It still amazes me that when the millionaire ceo broke down, I was crying with him. He started as a character who would only irritate me if I met him in real life.

Eye contact, loving physical contact, and focused attention...I say these things to people of all ages all day long on social media (specific wording courtesy of Ross Campbell).

When I was 12 a teacher from school was struggling with depression (I did not know that), she missed a couple of classes and when she came back I was so happy to see her I went on and hugged her. I forgot about that for years but when I was graduating from school she came to see me and told me she was really grateful because my hug gave her strength and will to seek help. Hugs can go a long way

@@mmkvoe6342 - I completely disagree about eye contact. It always makes me feel extremely uncomfortable to the point where can only do it for moments at a time. I does not solve anything for me. ------------ @anainesgonzalez8868 - On the other hand, there are few things that feel as wonderful and as fulfilling to me as an thorough hug.

​@@anainesgonzalez8868That's beautiful.

​​​@@anainesgonzalez8868 the schools I went to didn't allow hugging between students and teachers. I never felt a connection with any of my teachers, even the good ones. School always felt cold and impersonal. I assumed it was like that everywhere for everyone. Now I'm kind of sad. I'm glad you had a bond with your teacher though. What a sweet story.

Agreed. Totally agreed. That's literally Bucky's problem. He does not and cannot view himself as the victim he is because everyone tells him he is an evil monster- including himself. He's literally weighed down in guilt, shame and self-loathing because of that so he cannot learn to forgive himself and begin to heal. The only people who really helped him in that regard were the Wakandans, and the woman who helped remove HYDRA's programming from his mind whose name I always forget. The way that Sam dismisses his fears in this scene would actually be really harmful and the therapist should have known better than to not follow it up either. What could actually have been a very good moment which was meaninful for trauma victims was sacrificed for the sake of cheap laughs.

Seconding! Loved this episode, as I do all your videos. Would love to hear what you think of "In Treatment".

Yes, would be interesting to get a professional's take on that one.

Also in This is us they show how to find a good fit and it is really interesting

Kings Speech omg yesssss

Bonus points if you have an actual speech language pathologist who specializes in fluency join you to discuss the techniques

I love This is Us

Kings speech is so freaking good

Yeah sounds like you ex was gaslighting you.

The therapist that helped me and changed my life forever was also very blunt and straightforward, but also very validating. That was exactly what I needed

I've had a couple therapists who had jaw-drop moments and they all apologized for being unprofessional, and my response was always "actually, that was really validating. Thank you," because my family always made me feel like I was making a big deal out of nothing and that shocked reaction was a lot easier for me to trust than a more careful sympathy/affirmation.

I agree, I enjoy writing and I would've reacted exactly like Wednesday before immediately leaving

@@bellaknightR597 I feel that

I also love Frasier and have watched it waaay too many times. Ham Radio is personal my favorite episode. “Could the McCallister sisters stand back to back; I’m short on bullets” 😂

They are all top notch actors and of course the writing was second to none

The scene was compressed here, presumably for time purposes to give you the most important points in the scene and get an idea of character dynamics. Dr Raynor is a therapist who specializes in therapy with combat veterans, and she is assigned to Bucky in court-ordered therapy. Sam is also a combat veteran who's worked for the VA as a therapist himself. "If he was wrong about you, then he was wrong about me" comes towards the end of the second episode, and, when I first saw it, that line and delivery took my breath away, because, aside from a brief scene in a previous film with Captain America, ("I'm not worth all this.") it's really the first time in all of the MCU that we get a REAL insight into what's going on in Bucky's head.

Man, I love that scene so much. Her talking with the team in S1 after that botched training exercise is really good too.

yes!! i always come back to those scenes

I love her to peaces

This is why I don't trust therapists. If they're not mentally healthy themselves how am I supposed to trust them with my mental health?

As a therapist who deals With depression, it's enlightening me seeing the effect that can have. Glad you also made it through that time

A sentiment I share 10000% this channel is my way of letting myself feel and process all the bad without loosing sight of the good

That's so selfless❤❤❤

YES PLEASE

Honestly would be better for a “let’s deconstruct what happened here” type episode, not villain therapy. I’m not sure there would be much you could therapize there because the man is a sociopath with zero empathy, high intellect, high knowledge of therapy + techniques. You can’t help someone who does not want help, and Lecter’s philosophy and sense of self are coherent and self-justified. (Caveat that I’ve only looked at the films, not the show or the books.)

I think it is important to recognize a client's autonomy over a situation. Proper Language is a huge part of that autonomy!

I told my therapist about Tuca & Bertie! I love that show so much -especially as someone who happens to be a 30-something baker! 😆 That episode where Bertie's parts keep mixing up and rearranging is such a beautiful portrayal of what therapy can feel like sometimes.

Even if I know that, of course, actors play other characters in other movies/TV shows, it is always a pleasure to have these kind of surprises recognizing them, especially when look different. In Rene's case it happens even on the same show, DS9, if you remember! There is one episode where Sisko is having some sort of vision, and he lives in the 1930's (?) era, and those around him are portrayed by the same people he is surrounded by in reality. Using the same actors in that kind of context is not new, but I always find that interesting. Anyway, when Rene's character appeared, I didn't know who he was supposed to be, until he started speaking. The same with Armin Shimerman (Quark). They were unrecognizable without all the prosthetics!

She also got a robot to understand how his suicide affected his crew

@@Hawner Yes! From Beyond the Stars. 1950's is more accurate, but it's a fun episode. A couple of shows to check out is the movie Dirty Harry, with Garak as the villain, and Seinfeld episode The Caddy, with Quark.

@@katielee7897 Dude, yes! That scene! And the extra bit of them as former lovers gave their conversation extra bite.

He was also the chef in the Little Mermaid ("Les Poissons")

Yeah. Bucky is never going to open up to a regular therapist's nicey nice approach. He has severe combat PTSD; but also, complex grief from lossing his family, abandonment issues from Steve leaving, survivors guilt for living through what HYDRA did to him, was psychologically manipulated like someone that's been in a cult, and he survived torture. Man needs understanding; but, like Sam says in a latter episode 'tough love'. Raynor won't let Bucky deflect with sarcasm and won't simply allow him to shutdown; disassocition being Bucky's default mental state for years.

@@melissaharris3389 @bad_wolf_media It's not Dr Raynor's attitude that bothers me - her directness, her no "bs" attitude is what the two of them need, especially Bucky. However what I take issue with was her approach. The Amends List like he was an alcoholic. The problem with Bucky is he wasn't just a WWII vet with (C)PTSD, he wasn't just someone who has survivors guilt. The severe manipulation and psychological (as well as physical) torture he experienced - you can't just boil it down to "say sorry to people".

Kindly said

I mean...that was the whole basis for the show though, that he gave all this good advice and therapy but didn't always follow it for his own life. That's basically every episode.

@@LittleHobbit13 Yes, but when it originally aired, I don't think the general public understood how great therapy can be for so many people and so many situations. I'd love to see it, and it has a tie to the present day because the sequel series is out.

Weirdly, I think a study of Niles would be easier, especially into the later seasons. He frequently goes into psychologist mode with other characters over coffee, casually helping them break down their troubles and gives really good advice while Frasier is having another meltdown over how he's going to con someone into dating him.

@@LittleHobbit13 Another take could be that not all advice and therapy will work equally on different people, and that's why all of Frasier knowledge and therapy can't help him with his own emptiness. A lot of comedy does come from him ignoring his own advice though. Incredible show.

Plus it gives context to the line they didn't include at the end of the scene they discussed, when you see it really was a breakthrough for Bucky. He realizes he hurt someone, even if he didn't mean to.

Also I'm assuming that she is a therapist for military vets which I thought explains for her attitude. 😂

YES OMG PLEASE USE HER BETTER SCENE TO SEE WHY SHE WORKS FOR BUCKY!!!!

She's honestly not a good therapist, she's too pushy and Bucky doesn't like to talk to her because he doesn't feel like he can trust her enough to open up considering how pushy, condescending, and rude she can be. She makes fun of Bucky for having no friends which pissed me off. She's clearly there not to help him but to evaluate him, which is why she's there, but its not therapy.

@@LethalByChoice Nicque Marina did an amazing takedown of Raynor, apparently military therapists are utter crap, because they don't actually care about healing you, just getting you cleared of whatever got you assigned to them as fast as possible to go back out there and fight. She really is a monstrously garbage therapist. Hey! Let's loudly and pointedly wave a notebook around and write things in it when your client is THE WINTER SOLDIER, a former brainwashed POW who extremely specifically HAD A NOTEBOOK WITH HIS CODE WORDS IN IT. JFC I want to punch her so hard it's not funny.

Yes BUT we need a licensed speech pathologist / speech therapist to weigh in

​​@@flux.aeterna Good point. They should bring in a speech therapist as a guest.

Good suggestion. Excellent movie, excellent story, excellent acting. I love the scene at the end when the King first is walking to the radio booth, and then walking from the radio booth. Such good acting.

I fifth this notion

I would argue that Troi is a bit of a moot point, since she's psychic. It puts an unreal dynamic into play; she shouldn't be able to lose and if she does that's even more out there. But I think taking a look at Guinan would be a great idea, the whole bartenders as therapists trope.

@@adde9506 That's a fair point. Which is part of the reason I specified a scene where she counsels Data, someone she can't use her "psychic" abilities on.

So glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!

I'm not sure that I would go with Dr. Hill because of the "unreliable narrator" component. (Or at least that's how I took it)

Dr. Hill was 100% the best part of Until Dawn. His scenes were captivating. Yes, all a figment of Josh's imagination, and therefore unreliable, but probably heavily based on the real therapist Josh saw during that one year. I'd love to see them do even a small segment on this!

@CleoVonGem that's why it would be interesting. It's obvious by chapter 8 that is in imaginary, but that doesn’t mean that his tactics aren't valid therapy points. And Until Dawn, despite being a game, is designed almost like a movie.

Omg yes! And Mr. Belvedere too!

Bluey. I swear that show is for parents, not kids.

makes the impromptu therapy sesh Buck had with Sam near the end a lot better.

I love This is Us examples!

Blessings on you, your son, and everyone connected with him! May you all find healing filling you in the best ways, ways that you might not excpect.

@@louisegogel7973 On April 1st my son had his port removed! My boy beat the f#@king odds! It may come back in his later years. But not today!!

@@louisegogel7973 I feel as if something greater than myself took the weight from my shoulders.

My therapist was a biology Professor until he was about 50. I think he absolutly profited from having different experiences. Good luck to you!

Jonathan has his own channel called Mended Light that is more centered on his work.

Amen to this! I'm training in a marriage and family therapy program and will be working on getting my license in the next 2 years. Seriously, I benefit a lot from this channel and get a lot of valuable principles and insight from y'all. It makes me laugh, smile, feel grateful, and sometimes feel good things watching these videos and learning from you both. Thank you so much for your presence and your heart, both of you are amazing!!

I'm 35 and thinking about doing the same. Thank you for sharing that--makes me feel a little less crazy!

I think therapy has changed drastically in the last 4 decades. If you go back to Frasier, MASH, or a few other shows that handled therapy back then, it's very different than the modern idea of therapy.