What war is the Raiden Shogun talking about? (Genshin Impact 4.6 Lore, theory and Reaction) 

"I'm neutral in this" *proceeds to praise celestia to the cosmos. Yeah, sure buddy.

Dawit, loves war. Heavenly principles also loves war. Weird.

ei watches premature white haired horn guy sing like it’s yakuza while ominously talking about war

The fact that the big war is foreshadowed is very hype. We only have probably a couple years until it’s in full swing like it will probably start in Snezhnaya. And the fact it was foreshadowed in an Itto music event is hilarious.

I just realized. War...war never changes. Raiden the Shogun is also the god of eternity.

It was actually a smart move, to include these little pieces of foreshadowing in such a peaceful event, for the players to underestimate the meaning of this. Not necessarily related to the topic, but Hoyo did a similar move at the very beginning of the game, giving us Kaeya and Lisa - 2 characters with the most amount of hidden lore behind them. I know dawit talked about Kaeya, but what about Lisa? The Abyss mage in her quest, who was after one of the books from the library that "contained a secret" literally said that she hides her real identity, then Lisa gave it such a painful death, it let out a horrendous scream. The book is still in the game archive ("The Pale princess...") and the story in this book describes something related to the global plot. And I'm not talking about countless other details about her: her constellation, her time in Sumeru when Azar had been like "Yeah, she has that dawg in her", Albedo being suspicious about her being a simple librarian, given her abilities, her "More about Lisa: V" voice line, her nonchalant attitude when we first see her after Stormterror attack when she was like "Don't worry, Jean, I'll take care of this when the time is right". Anyway, I think it's worth a look by dawit. I wonder what his take on Lisa would be. The same goes for Kaeya, Hoyo just put him and Lisa - 2 endgame characters in order for them to be kinda overshadowed and underestimated, so that they can create a bunch of juicy plot twists, and they did a similar thing in the current event, dropping some lines of dialogue, significance of which may not be recognized, but when the time comes people will be like "OOOH, SO THAT'S WHAT THEY MEANT"

At the end, only the chef and the funeral parlor director will prevail.

Neuvillete just woke up and choose violence, the Arcons are having PTSD without even having met him yet, you know what they say,“you can't track, a man that's high on crack"

major war arc between abyss, fatui, celestia, khanriah, hexenzirkel(?), sovereigns and the 6 nations(?) would be the pinnacle of my hype for genshin after capitano and columbina

You forgot about the Dragons. They want their sh*** back. One already has his full power back.

Honestly i think celestia is just a bunch of powerful genetically engineered humans instead of eldritch beings, genshin is a mix of fantasy and science fiction so it wouldn't be out of place and it's connected to the honkai universe. Also one of Genshin story themes is humans becoming something greater, dottore's goal, gold's project, the khaenriah ritual and that dainsleif speech "we will defy this world with a power from beyond"

Just a friendly reminder: Dainsleif still have that core thing that could just blew up Celestia...at anytime...just saying I smell some War Crimes about to happen

The way you talk, the music, and how your videos are paced always gets me hyped up, especially when you're talking about Phanes😭😭‼‼

Have I missed something or why is everyone suddenly thinking that Ei is gonna ally with the Fatui, ignoring that Ei and inuzuma is in open hostility towards the fatui. She basicly said that A. war must be avoided at all cost and B. that she will fight if she is forced to, together with all of inuzuma. While Ei has cut all connection with celestia, she has neither hate nor love for them, but is afraid of them. Still her relationship with it is still much more amendable than with the fatui or the abyss. And given the Fatui and Abyss always sowing chaos and are starting sh*t its much more likely that Ei will fight against them and potentially make a truce with celestia to preserve Inuzuma. So unless the heavenly principals wants to cast down/curse the people of inuzuma, Ei will most likely not fight them, and simply try to sidestep the war. Still Dain did say not to trust the gods, so who knows.

Cryo Archon's reasons are simple. To her the ends justifies the means. The end is a world that only knows love, a delusional world. The means is hell on earth. Unfettered chaos.

I got sucha whiplash from that end scene with Yae and Miko, like it felt so RANDOM to be talking about an upcoming all out war against the Celestia in an Itto event (of all events they could've picked, they picked the one with the goofiest character)

I was patiently for someone to analyze this! Man, lore drop in an Itto event of all things… And man I love your buildups to the one and only PRIMORDIAL ONE A PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS

That build up for The Primordial One (ominous music plays) in the end sent chills down my spine.

9:43 she does say in her voicelines, that one she will start something ( i forgot the exact line) when that happens she hopes the ones on the receiving end can take it. Maybe arrle wasn't full power nor does she understand her full potential. Btw i didn't know the war ei states is another war, i thought it was just a reference for new players abt the civil war. Shheeesshh

Lol that was perhaps the longest most gratitutious way to say THE PRIMORDIAL ONE, A PROGENITOR GOD, HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS

While Ei and Nahida are ready to prepare for war against the Heavinly Principles, Venti and Zhongli aren't as they don't want to tell anything about them.

0:47 Ei:then I'll have no choice but to show them my Musou no Hitotachi

I saw it as an war against either the abyss, celestia or snezhnaya (or the stuff caused by their rebellion) I feel like all archons are aware something is gonna happen and it's gonna risk the very existence of their own nations, with multiple threats being present. Otherwise zhongli would never try to see if liyue can defend itself. It's as if he knows that if liyue will be in grave danger, he may be somewhere else fighting an even greater threat...

Maybe the Abyss will make their come back in Inazuma? There is no Nail in Tsurumi Island, it's the ideal place for a leak and invasion from the Abyss (and we can see the Golden Wolf as a first sign of this invasion). And there is still the case of Seirai Island with that hole at the bottom of the lake, all these machines around and the Thunder Manifestation which is literally born from the hatred that permeate the area since the death of Kapatcir. Too much mysteries for this island, I just hope Hoyoverse don't forget it. 😅

Also About Phanes THE PRIMORDIAL ONE, SOVEREING OF SOVEREING!!! I Heard a lot of theory about Phanes being a expy of Kevin Kaslana from Honkai impact bc the crown of Phanes have the same black star shape as Kevin in his Honkai beast form+ Kevin in his Delivrance form have wings and a crown like Phanes and just like Kevin usurped the Authority of Finality Phanes his called usurper king by the Dragon sovereing...so what do you think of that ?

I am honestly so Adoring of Phanes/The Primordial one being the one who would truely fight for Humanity. Not only does it make senve with what we know about them, everything we know they have done has been for humanity, so they could a home, so they could live, so they could have leaders to guide them. People dunk on celestia in general because of things like the Archon war, but to the primordial one the Archons and God's hold less priority than humanity. There purpose was to fight each other in order for leaders to be appointed to help humanity. The Archons are not the rulers of nations to the eyes of Phanes. They are the servents sent to help the people. In the end they care about humanity more than anything else. If some theory are to be believed they came to Teyvat and usserped the soverigns for the sole reason to give Humanity a home after something happened to there old one. They would never bring judgment or ruin down to humanity. They love the humans, more than they love the gods, or the order of heiricahy. Humanity and they joy will always be the first priority. So throw away your misconceptions of the primordial one being a tryanical, ussper. Throw away the idea that they even at all care about the system if celestia and the Archons being in power. In the end, they will choose to protect humanity at a whole in the final fight. I think this is what will lead them to join forces with the traveler. Someone who has befreined, witnessed and understood all manner of beings in this land. They will fight together to protect their friends and dearly beloved humans.

Wtf Broo, I love you so much, the music, the vibes, brooooo, I've never loved genshin lore so much I love you, thanks a lot for your videos It is really amazing in fact God tier❤

"sustainer of heavenly principles"

Finally the sole victor of this war will be Zhongli and hu tao cuz their funeral parlour will have many customers

bro i got the chills and the feels now i am ready for this war

the way you do speculation is endlessly entertaining

He said the line let’s go😂

Didn’t Skirk say that the Gnoses were made from the remnants of the Third Descender? I always thought that the Fatui’s plan was to either revive the Third Descender or otherwise harness their power in some capacity. If the Traveller joins them then that would mean they’d have two Descenders on their side, while the Heavenly Principles would have the First and Second Descenders on their side. But hey it’s just a theory.

I think venti and nahida do know what the deal is. I think because celestia's eyes are on the archons a bit more then others, they have to act like they don't know or act like they fought for it ( in venti's case)

You sounded like you were evolving when you finally said the line XD

What. A. Video. That last bit had me hype as fuk!

I can only think of the one Synez is about to start. You gotta wonder what the Abyss Order is doing. We barely seen them do much which is concerning. Probably gathering more of the crack for dragons.

I love your work! You're hilarious and your theories are good, peak youtube

I fucking love your videos, man. Actual deep lore, mixed with amazing satire. The Nibelung joke's got me crying laughing.

Finally, some excitement , hopefully we get an epic animation /story

That last segment on Celestia had Dawit preaching like a prophet fr fr. (god bless daddy phanes and the very attractive sustainer).

You are so unhinged. I love it. Subscribed.

17:21 got me so hyped

The Celestia/Phanes glazing is CRAZY!

I just want another Dainsleif quest asap

The wait for the primordial one was a long one

My goat is back 😭😭😭

maybe the big war that is tease to be upcoming it will also reveal the Sovereign dragon of Electro/Thunder this will be the perfect moment to reveal that it's READY FOR THE BIG WAR! he might also love war

Damn bro was so impressed by Phanes he couldn't finish saying THE PRIMORDIAL ONE

love how dude just goes "forbidden knowledge, crack for the dragons" had me dead lol, considering coming back to genshin but i am seriously burnt out.

yk they are signs that human life existed long before celestia arrived

I wonder what the hexencircle's position will be ...

CAPITANO THE GOAT🐐 HE KEEPING IT 💯 ON THE MISSION

I have few guesses about what war she could talk about, since there's multi "factions" in the game, most of them will fight agains't each others and not together. I think each factions will fufill one part of the final war agains't Celestia and the fake sky, but some of them will fail. Neuvillette can't win by himself, The Traveler is useless, the archons might fail because they are much weaker than Celestia's gods, the abyss might have a chance but with the cost of corrupting the world and to finish the Fatui have the best chance by collecting every Gnosis. I don't think that war will end in a good way, yes we might defeat celestia but at what cost? Remember that Alice said that something is trying to enter Teyvat by force because Teyvats barrier is weakening. If Celestia is the one keeping that barrier up with their "fake sky", if they are defeated, how it will end in the end?

It was the most important part of the whole event, glad that someone noticed it too - at first, Yae Miko mentioned something about giving an answer to someone from Fountain, my first thought was Sir Neuvillet when he came to judge Ei - then Yae again mentioned a "Big war", which meant there would be a war vs. the Hydro Dragon sovereigns and another Big one VS Celestia or whatever else

Well damn this was intense. I think everthing will turn out to be way more complex than just full-scale war though.

Capitano being the strongest "being" was leaked so long ago that it's probably never going to be used lol, it doesn't even make sense at this point so I'd just stick to canon information really.

Pocahontas fat ass got me wheezing XD XD XD. Bro, I love it when you made video. Here hoping you would cover Manga such as One Piece, or Boruto or JJK etc, the video will be epic.

Max Mittleman said in the 4.6 livestream that Itto event would have Natlan lore in it.

there gonna be war in Teyvat, but then realize that this is Genshin. Of course there'll be conflicts, but no one will d!e except some random NPC. Lol

If it is being brought up just about after fontaine wrap up and revealed when the nation of "war" is being introduced is either gonna be because of natlan the tsaritsa or the abyss or maybe even dragons

I came to see how this 2 minute conversation spawned a 17 minute video

Yeah the whole BIGGER war that Ei/Raiden Shogun and Miko were talking about left me with LOTS of questions like are we going to get more characters are the Knave and the Fatui going to be involved is Natlan gonna be relevant because it’s the nation of war So MANY questions Big Dawg

Lore being released in a limited time Event really Genshins my Impact

I think that they have a chance of winning giving the fact that they have the gnosis which the harbinger is can use to their advantage, if the queen herself wants to go to war, she's going to power them up so it would make sense

"Phanes, the gentle watcher of humanity's joy" 😂

Bro i fr cannot wait to see the power of the abyss. If they can instill fear into the mind of heavenly principles imagine what they actually can do when its needed

Either it is a tease for Natlan, for the next update eventually linked to Dainsleif, or the final war of the game. All of the above to me personally.

I have a feeling that the Fatui will be the first one to fail in the war and the Abyss Order will win at the end. Its just a feeling.

You surely do get a point, but wasn't it said that Celestia was severely weakened after the whole encounter and war with the Second Who Came to the point that the two of them (PRESUMABLY the two of them, since PO was the winner, as far as we know) found a THIRD descender to kill off and make 7 gnosis out of them? My point stands that celestial power is wearing thin in Teyvat. Their whole little "The Sims: Teyvat" is falling at the simulation since when the fake stars begin to fall. Somehow, their code got corrupted. I have some little bits of thoughts about the original world of Teyvat and it's original inhabitants (thanks to another lore maniac, Ashikai) but I came up to that conclusion way longer, a little before the ending of act 1 of Fontaine. Humans are descendants of dragons at SOME capacity. The first civilizations were of of mixed breeds between dragons and whatever the f came with the PO. They were adapted to a world a lot more hostile and thrived for a while, but they were too free. Too much of a threat should their knowledge and power get out of hand - worse yet, probably they already had good relationship with the Sovereigns. At least at some capacity, since I noted that the previous Hydro Sovereign morr than likely lived amongst the people of Enkanomya either before or shortly after their fall, since they lived somehow close to his domains. And Nibelung probably lived in Khaenriah, I am fairly certain these guys are at SOME capacity descents of his own blood and flesh. Because... I mean... The Sovereign of Hydro is the God of Life, right? Apep must be an original "God of Wisdom" of some sort. But my point is... That ONLY the ORIGINAL god could make humans HUMANS. The fontainians, made by Egeria, were INCOMPLETE. BUT. The REAL God of Life made them the real deal. So... They must share something with the original world order, right?

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This theory got me thinking about the whole story and how it started. The arrogation of mankind was that both twins were summoned not just 1.. they got stopped by the sustainer (which gave them the weaker of the 2) … 500 years later we were awakened because the path that our twin chose defies the heavenly principles

"I love war same as dragon soverings love crack" had me wheezing THEN ONLY THEN WILL PRIMORDIAL ONE A PROGENITOR GOD FROM BEYO ND THE STARS DESCEND WITH SWORD IN HAND

Thought I was the only one that felt the foreshadow. Feel sorry for people who'll miss this dialogue/event

Remember that Zhongli introduced the concept of the world's memories being altered and forgotten and said that we will be the only ones will remember its true history almost 2 years before the events of Sumeru AQ. This could either be foreshadowing the war thats going on in Natlan or as they say the bigger war of the Heavenly Principles vs The Abyss because theu havr done this shit begore

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Damn, comparison of forbidden knowledge with the nuclear weapons makes so much sense. Knowing how to make a nuclear bomb can also be considered a sort of „forbidden knowledge“ IRL, something many people wish was never invented. Of course it’s very simplified cause you know, atom and quantum physics are useful in many other aspects and if you have that, you inevitably will know at least theoretically how destructive messing with atoms can be etc etc. But without looking at much details, it’s a perfect analogy. I never could understand before what is forbidden knowledge in genshin *like* and why does it corrupt stuff and why even the curious god of wisdom agrees that this knowledge shouldn’t be in Teyvat

I took the Convo to be about if the fatui or tsaritsa wage a war on the principals or celestia. Essentially if there is a revolt against celestia, raiden will fight but she isn’t out there provoking it (the tsaritsa is)

"War" is related to Natlan and i think this foreshadowing is related more to the Natlan lore. Maybe we will need to fall in a great war with the archon or maybe the resurrected archon of Natlan? and maybe Raiden or other archons will come to help us. Heck, is Capitano there because he needs to win a war to get the pyro knosis????

See, this is the problem I have with dragons. As a human I am obviously pro-human, so why would I support dragons to defeat the usurper, especially considering dragons and humans are incompatible by default? If I do live in Teyvat and learned this secret, the only thing I will say is "please oppress the dragons further." Neuvillette's invitation to rebel made little sense to me, like bro seriously think I will sympathize with him? I hope we will get a proper incentive to side with the dragons.

So this is a question I hadn't really thought about before. Celestia feels like it's a bit low on foot soldiers. I suppose they could just create a new race of beings like the way that Goddess of Flowers created the Jinni. The Jinni are supposed to be pretty powerful individually. That could make for some pretty cool cutscenes if they went with a mass brawler scenario like something from out of Lord of the Rings. Huge armies clashing. As for what Miko/Ei mean about the "big" war... it all seems a little odd. I get what you mean about the Dain monologues, but it's just hard to see why anyone would bother with a physical war when it would all come down to who has the hardest hitting top five or six god-like powered people. I mean if the Fatui invaded every country in Teyvat and let's say they win every battle, what then? That gets them nowhere at all. It's completely pointless. Besides Dain says it's a continuation of past wars and the past wars were fights between Descenders and the Sovereigns. Something like that just doesn't seem realistic. HP is asleep, where the heck is the 2nd? 3rd is dead, 4th is a pacifist and the dragons are scattered or dead. So my best guess is that Ei and Miko believe that the Cataclysm is going to repeat itself for some reason. It's the only "big war" either of them have any experience about. And it's a big war that did indeed involve fighting at every level from gods down to rank and file ordinary soldiers. The problem of it not making any sense to have such a war is solved by it being fought against creatures that don't care about making sense. But I don't really think the Abyss Order would be on that same side, any more than the Khaenri'ahns were. Despite the Perinheri stuff about Crimson Moon Khaen ri'ah and their beast knights, we've never seen Abyss Order folks fighting with Rifthounds have we? Hm. That's actually a good question. I don't really pay a lot of attention to that so I can't really say if the game is very consistent or to what degree it is consistent about grouping naturally occurring monsters together in their factions and avoiding eg putting Fatui and Abyss mages together, or Hilichurls and Emerites. And how close do they come eg in the Spiral Abyss? I don't do the Spiral Abyss much but I think they might split them up by "wave" of attacks so each "wave" is from a single faction but the next "wave" even within one of the three fights on each "side" of the Spiral Abyss might have a different faction. I can't say if they have consistent rules that you could use to ask a question like "Are rifthounds treated as part of the Abyss Order faction?" Also ignoring the Spiral Abyss could a similar patterns be deduced from open world and AQ mandatory fights? (excluding optional domains). At any rate going back to a "war" if it is seen as a 2nd Cataclysm it would have been nice if we'd seen any Archons making ready for it. But OK. Such a war would not be something that decides the fate of Teyvat but more like an obstacle that has to be met on the way to deciding the fate of Teyvat using individual heroes. Which is actually also what the Lord of the Rings does come to think of it. Masses of battles all over Middle Earth but the only thing that counts is Frodo and Sam and Gollum fighting over the ring at the Cracks of Doom. Nevertheless the wars have meaning. They must be won, or at least not lost, to buy time for the ringbearers.

userper being userped reminds me of attack on titan when the fake king was replaced by the military head and was fucking bombed and killed too, a character said along the lines of "authorities made from coup, will end in a coup too" i guess that's a proverb from somewhere but idk where isayama get that from

amazing sauce

17 mins of video and waiting for the one and only THE PRIMORDIAL ONE

can i ask what's the name of the song played when you started talkin about celestia? (at 14:10)

I was waiting for you to say they primordial one honestly, Celestela is the good guy they have to be

17:22 He said it. He said the thing. HE FINALLY SAID IT. HELL YEAAH

The knave in the trailer is a bit different than the father.

dunno why YT recommended this to me but it couldn't have come at a better time, I've been trying to wrap my head around the fatui/abyss/celestia conflict because I've started writing a fanfic that's tied to it and I just could not keep up with all the individual moving pieces but seeing it all together here has helped loads!!! real excited to see where the game goes with this, but I really hope they learned their lesson about how to write conflicts properly. the inzauma archon quest centered on a war and..... I really didn't care for it not gonna lie. here's to hoping they get it right in Natlan (yknow a nation of war) and if they drop the ball after doing so well in sumeru and fontaine, I can only hope third time's the charm when THE war finally sparks

Bravo!

I was thinking maybe Surtalogi (which actually means sword of surtur) will be the one that causes ragnarok and destroy teyvat. Since he's also from the abyss, I'm guessing he has some high level rank there.

Question if Phanes loves humanity as much as it’s said they do, why did they punish the children of Khaenri’ah? They were kids and couldn’t really choose to turn their backs on Celestia. Idk it seems out of character for how Phanes has been described I only say they because the curse of wilderness is either something enacted by Celestia or by individual gods (in which case wtf Venti)

damn finally someones talking about this

Possible this new war is an Large Scale honkai incuorsion

The only war I can think of is a war against the abyss and abyss order because They're literally against everyone including celestia

What do you think of the letter from Heizou and the involvement of Dvorak to the Puppy Union? I dunno what to make of that "evidence" Heizou left.

In fact, it is interesting that both Abyss and fatui are looking to burn the old world( All the heralds, even the Hydro Herald, talks about burning the world in his dialogue) If surtalogi is a reference the fire that starts the Ragnarok I have an interesting point from Norse Mythology, the world will be frozen before the start of Ragnarok Pay attention to Cryo gemstone description

I‘ll miss the days we are in now. When we strolling around in teyvat and touch some grass.. things getting serious from time to time 😅

The war is about to begin probably Celestia (that are away more strong than the archons) and the traveler can’t even defeat the 4th harbinger that even have god power…

The troupe isn't complete without a traitor inside so who it could be