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Perturabo really needed some friends, and better tasks. The Emperor really screwed over Angron by kidnapping him, instead of taking his whole army (and cybernetically upgrading them similar to Luther) The Emperor also screwed over Mortarion, instead of working with him and supporting him, he decided to kill steal! Really, there is no threat greater to Mankind than the Emperor himself. Chaos wouldn't have had anything to twist or corrupt if he had been a better person. There's only so much Malcador could do.
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Imagine if Emps had been smart enough to be like, "hey, Maclador, my best friend, my confidant, the god-father of my children. Go to Magnus and help him grow into a good non-chaos warp sorcery badass like yourself. k thnkx."
@@ItamarO93 issue was that after Perty's decimation of his legion for inefficiency Gman hated his guts because he liked and respected many of the Iron Warriors that were killed
He was not planning on being a single dad ... He intended to strike out from Terra together with them letting them go and conquer on their own when they felt ready.
It makes sense when you look at him in totality though. Stealing power from the gods at moloch did something terrible to him, as did the creation of the primarchs. Constantine and Malcador talk about this at one point, with Constantine noting that he is becoming more and more inhuman as time goes by. When Malcador visits him in the psychic desert realm in Mortis, at one point he sees Neoth as something profoundly more terrifying that even a powerful psychic perpetual. That's why, at times, Neoth had some emotional intelligence, and why, during other times, he did shit like zap Angron out of the battlefield rather than come down to help him. He was already beginning a transformation into an eldritch god way back then: after 10k years on the throne, being fed psykers every day, there's almost certainly no humanity left to him.
@@Nukefandango well, the emperor never steal something from the dark gods, in fact he bargain for that power, constantin and malcador never truly understood his plan, and what was the real price he must pay to have this power. in reality, he was very human, but must do terrible thing to protect humanity and his many son.
@@magnusmaximus1415 whatever he did, it fucked him up pretty bad. The Neoth who was a father to the primarchs was very different from the Neoth who went into that cave on Moloch. Erda and the other Perpetuals describe him as someone who was intimate, charismatic, and actually extremely funny, who was often a ruler but rarely a tyrant. Compare that to the Neoth we see in the Heresy, to say nothing of the psychic abomination on the Golden Throne in the current timeline. Ollanius' fears turned out to be correct. The man who would become the emperor saw the future, but, because of his own hubris, largely brought that future about by his own hand.
If you ask the Primarks if the Emperor have a dad problem with their sons, 18 of 20 will say "YES", with the other 2 being not found to give their opinion. But if will ask the Emperor if he is a good dad to their sons, he will say "They are not my sons, they are my tools", like a good rich, absent and very ocupied father allways respond.
I think that's quite a bit harsh on E. I think he viewed them in a combined view. As tools to fulfill his plans but still beloved sons, even as his expression of that love can be twisted/abusive at times
@@ias787 That is mostly a fan theory, which mainly derives from the star child and that is very very old lore with no new references in canon. I think you might be getting that from Text To Specch Device series which had the emporer doing exactly that. Emporer to me seems to just have an unstable and egotistical way of going about things. Deep down he loved them, but also viewed them as tools to help bring about humanities perfection. You can still love someone but view them in a limited perspective like that. He might have been the most intelligent, charismatic, ambitious man to ever live, but still had trouble being a nice relatable human being a lot of the time to his sons.
He definitely dropped the ball with Angron, and arguably Curze as well. He ignored or dismissed the things that mattered to them and never acknowledged why those things were even important to them.
@@robertnelson9599 I don't think it WAS without warning though. Lorgar was told over and over again to stop treating the Emperor like a God and to stop wasting time building monuments and shrines when he should have been fighting the Great Crusade.
@@robertnelson9599 the burning of the city was basically the switch from big e going "lorgar stop it youre being wierd" to slapping him over the head with a powerfist.
Majorkill you should make a video about the intended role of each primarch would be if the heresy never happened I know valrak has already made a vid on this but he left out some primarchs (mortarion ) plus your opinions could wildly different from his I would love to see it
@@deron2203 I'm pretty sure that was arch and not majorkill, I remember he has done some in depth analysis on certain primarchs and what they were ment to do or not
I love these Primarch videos that explain their relationship. We just need what the Primarch feels about their legions or xenos and it would be awesome!
@@robertnelson9599 *Fulgrim at first seemed pretty respectfull to Eldrad. It was after he mentioned Horus would turn traitor, and the stuff about Chaos that Fulgrim tried to massacre him.* (It happened during the book "Fulgrim" btw.)
@@robertnelson9599 ultramarines had a form of respect for xenos bearing in mind they would imitate their tactics if they were good. Can't do that unless you respect the Xenos in some way
They need to make an 18-20 episode series where every episode goes over how the emperor met all of his sons, and each episode is dedicated to a primarch's backstory and lore
I watched a video about the new alpharius novel. Tldr: alpharius was found 1st and kept a secret When omegon was found they switched places, alpharius became omegon and omegon became alpharius. Then true omegon betrayed the emperor on behalf of the cabal and true alpharius is still loyal as far as we know.
That Analysis of Fulgrim was spot on... It also makes me wish GW would do something with that Loyal Fulgrim Clone... it would be super dope if there was a face-off with Trazyn and a sect of Chaos Emperor's Children wanting their Daddy back like he used to be... but when they bust him out of Trazyn's cage... he immediately wrecks the Chaos Legion, dodges out on Trazyn, and makes a bee-line back to the Loyalist... that would make an awesome book(series...) culminating in Fulgrim Vs. Chaos Fulgrim
While that would be cool it still wouldn't be true fulgrim part of the primarchs power is in there soul so while he may act like fulgrim he would not be as strong
In becoming snek fulgrim had his soul removed. So Clonegrim has the og soul. It's why manus can be resurrected via clone only to be added to snakegrim's manus head collection.
0:10 Yeah the Primarchs needed a lot of therapy to work out their daddy issues and get help. Mr. Perfect Cell: "Oh please there isn't a shrink qualified enough to deal with those hot messes!" Alucard: "Good thing I have the experience of being a successful therapist to countless of people and myself for a decade! *So I am over beyond qualified!"*
Alucard would just pisses Man Emperor so much that he got all of his Schrodinger Soul got erased by his special flaming sword If Magnus and his sons could kill the nerfed Satan in W40K then I'm sure his dad could erase Satan's hosts like Alucard if Emperor found him too much of a swindling crotch, Alucard might as well got a crotch rot in a hive world
@@ohamatchhams You can't erase something that is effectilvely omni present. However what the emperor would a fun time dealing with our vampire hunter. What emps can do is throwing him over and over and over like a stress ball made of blood and guts.
Lion asks daddy about why Horus has a parade, in utter confusion. Big E: “some men need praise and acknowledgments of their accolades...” *looks directly at the lion* “ And some men do not.” Peak father-son relationship, 10/10. Some paraphrase in quote.
I think the emperor knew some primarchs would fall he just didn't know how many or who and the only ones he was sure of were the lion sanguine and guil
@@9e7exkbzvwpf7c no what i mean is i think he was 100% sure of the lion around 80% with sanguine and guil but the rest were all around 50 to 40% sure like he seems most trusting to those 3 while with all the other primarchs he seems like more of a dick to them
Not only did the primarchs get their positive aspects from the emperor, they also inherited his negative traits. Even his fears. Perhaps even the temptation to embrace chaos?
@@jonathanathor117 yeah, it probably would've made it easier to define their traits, instead of some Primarchs embodying his logistic skills, battle prowess, and other adopting his...sneakiness or his furry kink lol
Honestly as much as I love Magnus and Vulkan learning more about the Lion makes me like him so much more. I'm not a Dark Angels fancy but I respect and enjoy the pre-heresy Dark Angels.
@@ItamarO93 I know, I still like Magnus and Vulkan the most. Sanguinius is kinda boring to me with how noble and perfect her is. And Khan? He's so fucking boring, there's nothing special about him other than speed. He's soooo boring.
@@inductivegrunt94 if you wanna be reductive like that than you can say so about most primarchs. Magnus - red salty psychic nerd Vulkan - huggy fire black man Lion - hush it's a secret Guilliman - accomplished little goody two shoes Mortarion - he smells so bad but doesn't want to smell so bad Angron - Angery Corvus - Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad Alpharius - I'm actually Omegon Omegon - I'm actually Alpharius Should I keep going lol?
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero Each of the primarchs are just one note characters when you look into them. And that's how I know whether to enjoy them or not. Kurze is a good example: Edgy Edgelord McEdgy Edgersin.
@@inductivegrunt94 It was rhetorical, i dont think the primarchs are all one note like that. My point is that you're being a bit unfair to khan by being so reductive/dismissive yet appreciative of magnus/vulkan or when you learned about the lion. Kahn is similar in that he has some other layers if you look deper/are interested. His aspect of growing up against tyrants/kings yet deciding to serve his tyrant father opposed to chaos is one I particularly like about him
He was like "meh i got them all idc he gonna follow my order" If only he paid more attention to angron and few other.. Anyway big E lore is currently retconed right ? I heard about a book and "Lady astartes"
Okay, I don't know why people keep saying that it's so hard to understand Conrad's motivation. Conrad was one of the first to really come to grips with the idea that they weren't born, they were genetically created in a lab and they were all created with specific abilities in mind. From birth Conrad was given a gift with the ability to see the future, and only ever saw the worst possible options. At no point did the emperor ever give him any kind of training or guidance or explain to him how he could be using those to avert bad events. Instead he left Conrad on his own and as a result Conrad misinterpreted his gift as that it was only ever showing him an immutable future that could not be changed. This is why he's a little crazy, because all he is constantly seeing in his head is how everything is going to crap and nothing ever good happens. The entire point of him allowing the Assassin to kill him is that it vindicates his interpretation of his gift. If there was any other possible interpretation, he wouldn't die at that moment. And if the emperor was going to contradict him, the emperor would have done or said something to change that future. So for him it was Vindication of everything he had said. That the emperor was a monster who had created a living being who was forced to only see the horrible future that awaited all of mankind, with no ability to make changes to it. If the emperor had stepped in, if the Assassin had turned its blade, if anything had happened other than as he had seen it then that would have meant that he was wrong, and that some of his brothers were right, and he did have the ability to change the future. And that was not something that Conrad wanted to confront, the possibility that all of his insanity and Madness and all the vile things he have done were for nothing. That's why he is bizarre Lee so happy in those last moments, because he has been proven right
Conrad could *absolutely* see the good outcomes, but because it made his misery more bearable to blame his choices on "fate" instead of himself, he basically just straight up lied to his brothers and father about it. Also, it's pretty heavily implied that the Emperor *did* try to help, but because Kurze had so thoroughly convinced himself that the bad path was the "true one" in order to live with the fucking terrible things he'd done, he didn't want it. Kurze, for all the people who say that his fall was unavoidable, literally made the conscious choice to go along with the "fate" of him falling, purely because then he wouldn't have to really do anything to improve himself. Also, notably, there were like... 6 or 7 Primarchs that pretty immediately determined they were artificial; Purterabo, Kurze, Corax, Guilliman, Magnus and the Gorgon I believe all figured it out long before they were picked up by the Emperor. It's likely that Sanguineous had also figured it out, but legitimately, I'm not sure. I don't really know much about his story beyond "he showed up, he changed the Blood Angels from what amounts to biological weapons into noble Angels and then he died after being sent to Terra and defending the gate for like a week straight solo".
I mean if if you class being right as being forgotten by practically 80% of the fan base as well as no one really caring for you. Perty had a point as is generally liked meanwhile Conrad’s the emo that no-one really cared for. His reason was pretty shit and his outlook horrible he himself hated his legion but does nothing about it, he blames everyone else but doesn’t try to improve himself. Conrad’s the kids that blames everyone but himself and refuses to change and adapt as well as saying he couldn’t do anything but having so many options available.
I cannot understand why they retconned the mysteries surrounding the Dark Angels true loyalties and agenda, which made their substance. You don't have to be Imperium or Chaos, there are many other ways, the novel Legion showed it. Following your own secret path doesn't mean you're an ennemy of the Emperor either.
@@strangerlucky5753 Lol there are many human factions within the Galaxy, some strongly affiliated with the Imperium, some affiliated only by name (leagues of Votaan), some following chaos, independent ones, some that rebelled or became de facto independant. The Imperium acknowledges some, turns a blind eye on others, some they are planning to attack when possible, many they are not even aware of. The DA fell into the bracket part of the Imperium/strongly affiliated, but whose loyalty was one of interest or due to a balance of power. Why ? We will never know now.
@@t.m.t3215 Certainly he never know about Constantin fucking Valdor and his secret Imperial Daemon and new blanks armies in the Immaterium, he doesn't even take shits from most Inquisition bodies especially from the folds of Ordos of retardicus
Never understood why people were so confused about the Emperor’s relationship with the primarchs. From “Malcador: The First Lord of Terra”: *In comparing the Thunder Warriors and the Primarchs* “Like them, burning brightly but briefly. But the Emperor and I could not conduct the Great Crusade with genhanced mortals. We needed something greater, something stronger to reclaim the stars. And in order to control it, we needed a lifespan of the Astartes that had nothing to do with aging or timed infirmity. Believe me when I say it Sibel Niasta, this was always intended to be the final act of the crusade. We wanted the Primarchs to turn against one another, against their father. […] Be assured, we maneuvered each of them from the moment of their rediscovery. Pitting them against each other, stoking their brotherly rivalries with his *unequal* favour. It was not difficult, no more so than positioning pieces on a Cheops board. Those who could not be managed -well-- they would never reach the endgame.”
@@bentim7732 Big E should have waited a little longer until the Imperial Webway is complete and the Imperium successfully have reclaimed and consolidated their hold on the galaxy, including making sure Chaos is neutralized.
@@bentim7732 I say blame Erda. She started it all when she collaborated with the Chaos Gods to scatter all Primarchs across the galaxy where half of them will eventually fall to Chaos and turn traitor.
Mortarion was an idealist, serving no goal but humanity's liberation from all oppression, at the side of whoever would give him the military means to do so. He was always a dangerous extremist, whose vision about freeing humanity from its chains had more to do with Pol Pot's than Mandela's. A ticking bomb at the very heart of the Imperium armed forces.
Would say magnus as well. Giving your son all the psychic powers and just leaving him alone with them just telling him: „don’t use them too much“ isn’t the best thing. And then later on blaming magnus for everything… not the best father here
This is a hill that I will die on. The emperor truly is the reason for his sons turning to chaos. They may be primarchs, but they all have human emotions
It also doesn’t help that they were sent to such distant and varied environments. I bet none of the Primarchs would have turned if they had grown up in the Imperial Palace.
indeed... I mean the mechanicus had servitors pretty much on lock by then, they could shown him how to make a primarch more "compliant" once he found them. Whats he go and do? Trys to play father to 20 wildly varied, very mentally unstable, autistic, vat grown weapons.
Majorkill not calling Angron a walking abortion and admitting the Emperor did a shit one without trying to tack any blame onto Angron? Majorkill, m8, are you ok?
How much was Angron’s fault and how much was the Butcher’s Nails? Weird archeotech that heightens aggression and lowers self control would make life difficult.
@@maxpower3990 It did so much more than that. The butchers nails esentially replaced his entire central nervous system, and rewarded anything but anger with massive amounts of pain. Even thinking caused pain. Removing it would have killed him outright.
@TinyWhale doesn't help that his primarch powers would've made him an empath Imagine if magnus ended up of a world filled with blanks He'd have gone insane Now Imagine the big E finding this fucked up magnus and being like Yeah you'll do come on we have a galactic war to wage Angron Is less failed abortion More baby dropped on its head
Yeah, the nails weren’t designed for primarch brains, so they did NOT mesh well with Angron. They had to remove entire chunks of his brain to implant the nails. He was basically lobotomized. No wonder he could never get anything done.
He distrusted pyskers he didn't necessarily hate them malcador and the emperor were very careful about psykers and saw them as potential problems even though they used them. Keep in mind when the space wolves spike at the council of ikea to vote to ban pyskers they gave a simple this is where I stand thats it. It was mortarian that made up some huge speech to try and manipulate the others
2:29 Lion El'Jonson: "My normal calm has been compromised. The only way to atone for not being by Father's side is to hunt down the Traitors and annihilate them with immense abhorrence."
I like the theory that the Emperor knew Angron had the Butcher's Nails, and that despite his efforts he wouldn't be able to remove them. So he gave his son a source of hate. Something to keep him going. Because the Emperor knew if he were to help Angron and his warriors, that the Butcher's Nails would kill Angron sooner than they already were. So the Emperor gave him a source of constant hate and anger to quell the Nails.
He wasn’t a _good_ dad, but he wasn’t a bad one either. He genuinely loved some of his sons because those chosen few most closely embodied his ideals: he loved them because they _were_ him, writ small. He couldn’t care for the rest of his sons in the same way because he couldn’t accept their differences. He couldn’t understand that Lorgar’s worship was his desire for a father figure that wouldn’t beat the shit out of him for existing, and I think that says a lot: they weren’t even really people to him, just tools. He didn’t take into account their individual faults and past traumas.
Honestly I think it was like how me and my dad were. My dad already raised 2 others to adulthood when I came around and well.. I was much different than he thought I would be. I see the sons having turned out to be much different than what the big E thought and didn’t really know how to raise them. More so only having found them after they were adults themselves. Wonder how different things would have been if he found them much sooner?
0:33 In short, the Man-Emperor of Mankind has a bipolar disorder. Which makes sense since He used to be the souls of the Shamans that ritually killed themselves that fuse together into one supremely powerful singular soul as the Anathema to Chaos.
I love how I left a comment on the last video basically recommending this exact video idea, and you were obviously already editing it. Same wavelength. Shweet.
The Emperor was a bad father. But he didnt have the time to spend with his sons, the Great Crusade could not be posposse more time, Chaos really did a great job spreading the primarchs. And then it was the Webway project that even when the Emperor let the Great Crusade the Webway wasnt compleated even at the end of the Horus Heresy, turning into the torture champer of the Big E. If Big E would have told Magnus about the Webway that wouldnt have happen, and the Webway would have stay functional
@@jonathanathor117 The Imperium needed (and needs) 20 primarchs. 2 died, 18 were left. 9 turned traitors. And like 3-4 loyalist died. There are like 5 Primarchs out there, and the Imperium neees more than that
I feel like some people neglect the fact that all the primarchs were grown ass men with the exception of Angron. They didn’t need to be such assholes but they choose to be regardless.
According to your own theory, the primarchs are are chaos demi-gods taken from the warp and incarnated. I assume the deal went something along the lines: "Instead of 6, you will get 12, but half will betray you no matter what you do". Chaos is cryptic and double-crossing like that. The point I'm trying to make is that, being the control freak that he is, probably the Big E tried to manipulate their destiny and make specific primarchs to betray him instead of random ones, which might include his favorites. Hence he is dad of the year at times and the shittiest dad in the galaxy at the same time. Hope that makes sense. W40K gave my cancer autism.
He wasn't bad, he was a work-aholic, ideological, neglectful, egotistical, pragmatist. He had no time for being a friend dad, he was straight up parental unit who could sacrifice his offspring because he could genetically modify more.
Oh no, he was a bad dad. An absolutely a terrible father on every paternal level. Playing favourites, clearly more interested in some than in others beyond that, barely acknowledging the existence of some, not seeing or caring about most of (perhaps all of) them beyond what they could do for him, using them as weapons of punishment against one another (using the Ultramarines to punish Lorgar. Not simply pitting them against one another - it was putting one brother clearly at the mercy of another brother. Maybe it was necessary for Lorgar to be taught that lesson, but it should have been the Custodes to teach that lesson, not the Ultramarines.), etc. Not only was he a terrible father, but he was a terrible War leader - that's abundantly clear. The question is how much of it was absolutely intentional (ie: he knew or NEEDED some of the Primarchs to turn on him, and so he pushed many of them onto paths that could only lead to Rebellion), was it just Tragic Mistakes (He didn't MEAN to alienate Mortarian and Angron so completely, he didn't realize how isolated Perturabo was getting, whoopsie on what happened to Magnus, the brain fart from above, etc.)... or is it just that GW hadn't really thought this out before letting Writers explore the ideas on their own, and are now doing the "Well, in your game... YOU get to decide what's real!" as a way to try to wash their hands of it?
@@jonathanathor117 yeah, but the thousands sons primarch, Lorgar, Horus, and maybe alpharius fucked it up... That's his idealog neglect fuckt the emperor, too much of an ego in his own work, maybe I don't know
@@JosePerez-ld8qg imma be honest. The unification wars on Terra MAY have been necessary given the circumstances with techno barbarians and all that shit (there could have been a little bit more peaceful way like you know not destroying every religion and culture and replace it with r/ atheism). However when you use the same line of logic to something as vast as the milky way galaxy, you get to realize that unnecessary scorch earth, genocide, xenocide etc is really uncalled for. I mean come on the world eaters and nightlords and iron warriors are evidence of that. Yes there may have alot of harmful xenos but what about the nice ones huh. The diasporex? Also the big E wasn't honest about his plans at all outside of small snippets like atheism, science, and human web way project. Magnus would have thought twice before punching the psychic magic wall Jimmy space built. If he had talked to his primarchs on what chaos is in an unbiased manner they wouldn't have joined. If he told humanity in general on what his plans alot of things can go smoothly. Then again his plans for humanity were narrow minded and tunnel vision at best.
The Emperor really needed to have a sincere heart to heart with each of his sons. YES, he still should have told them about Choas. Although he could have done that in pieces and not allow Choas be all "Stranger Danger". But mainly he needed to let his sons understand what they were, were meant for in his Great Crusade, and what he meant for them in the days after, so they might understand how to be themselves. And maybe slowed down the Great Crusade by a few centuries at least, just so that there would be time for the Emperor to at least steer his sons in the direction he would have meant to raise them. I can see the Emperor ever so slightly steering himself to better steer some of his sons. Like catching on to Horus before he slips into corruption. Rein in Magnus' ego and desire for knowledge with actual goals and positive reinforcement. Getting Kruze his own Batcave. Letting Pertti Robbo and Dorn hold regular building contests even open schools for the arts of engineering and architecture (this was before AD Mechs took over such endeavors). Let Angron save his friends and their world HIMSELF... and either remove or deaden the Butchers nails. The list goes on... If The Emperor had not rushed things too fast, he might have had time to catch and fix problem before they were a problem. The Emperor might have benefited from being a parent a few times, before making his own sons. Observing how successful parents raise their kids. Of course, this assumes he had was planning on doing a good job raising them.
Let's be honest, if The Emperor chose The Lion as warmaster and put Guilliman in charge of calming him the fuck down, we would have nothing to talk about.
@@shadearca And its makes them stupid as fuck then. "Warmaster will fall to chaos, but we appoint one anyway, so i can get shanked and sit on the Golden Throne! Just look how fabulous it is!"
Why they made Big E from a well intentioned extremist but loving father to something-to put it lightly-more grimdark is beyond me. Then again that's a running theme with 40K.
@@andythesaladgod4578 GW writing in a nutshell, look at the Tau. Least the Farsight Enclave are more like the original Tau. Also technically he could count as "space hitler" already given what he has already done, but at least he wasn't a complete, emotionless ass that sees everything as a tool.
The lion: the emperor made me, and I'm freaking awesome. Fulgrim:I'm Jelly for a tight booty Perty: dad...please can I have a hug Khan:...okay I know we are adopted Lemun: Dad, I do you a prouda Dorn:father, thank you, I have won the construction completion Curze: no dad it's not just a phase Sanguinious: dad *amazes the emperor* I made you a picture I drew *emperor puts it on the fridge* Ferris: dad *opens a beer* look at this car I rebuilt Angron: grrr rarrr grrr you're not my real dad and that's my mountin dew Gman: father I have done your taxes for the next 5 years Morty: no...i dont stink!! You do!! Maguns:dad this book says XXX on it, and i read it... Horus: dad, yeah i drove the car into the ditch but can i borrow yours? Logar: dad, help me, i dropped the soap Vulcon: look father, I helped all the homeless Corax: dad,I know you're not into black metal and that's okay, but I do and I like how you drive me to the shows Alpharius: dad, we are gonna sleep over at Tim's house, but will be home but then we will go to Ryan's house after but will throw out the trash but will hang out with Steven but..
Emperor was the best dad ever. He gave them godly bodies, their own legion, great gadgets, called them sons. They had gigachad uncle malcador. What more can someone ask in that dark time?! He was very nice to those sons who made sense. Sanguinius, Vulkan, Russ, Dorn..etc all those pure hearted recived emperor's love.
@@weightlifter2012 emperor can read thoughts and charecter of someone. He probably saw a cold jealous manchild in perturabo. Also He gave perturabo hard battles because emperor trusted him, called him his lord of iron, someone with iron will who has the guts to do what needed to be done. He gave him hard sieges because perturabo had one of the best brain among primarchs. Emperor never said him to use his men as cannon fodder, but he did. He ruined his own image among his brothers. Don't blame emperor on this
The best dad ever wouldn't have got pissed off that one of his sons refused to join him to instead die with his slave brothers and then teleport him alone aboard his ship, leaving the other slaves to die and fuck angron up even more than the nails already had
@@yerauldda6955 Emperor is thousands of years old, he witnessed all the deaths and cruelty, faced it. I guess he doesn't care or didn't give much thoughts about some unknown slaves with nails on the head. He only saved his son. He probably didn't know angron was very close to them
You made Perty's relationship w big E sound great! I was getting the vibe that it would totally make an epic drama/action movie if it were set in ancient Greece or Rome and then everything else you said was the same. Peter Turbo CSM Primarch #1!
I think it’s both he created them for a purpose to be tools he could use to conquer the galaxy. He then grew to care for them as sons (or at least most of them) as he got to know them. I think that’s why the talk he has with Guilliman makes a lot of sense.
So, my fan fic 2nd primarch character was especially large, and had stupid high speed regeneration. The result was that in he could physically out power the emperor, but not psychically. The reason he was “killed” and erased from history is that he had his own galaxy spanning empire which he refused to fuse with the imperium. Even punching the big E across the room when the emperor referred to his empire as the imperium. Ultimately, in his mind his empire was his, and belonged to him and his people. Eventually things escalated leading to the emperor throwing down with his son killing him. However, his OP regeneration could bring his corpse back to life leading to him being locked in a stasis field under the imperial palace guarded by costodies as he slowly regenerates.
Using the World Eaters to save Angron's warriors would have been a genius move that would have fixed most of the problems between them before they even started. The Butcher's Nails would still have been a problem but still
The Emperor really needed to have some Daughters as well, they could have helped defuse family tensions and kept their Brother's toxic masculinity in check … [hands over a bag of chips they're sharing]: "Have you considered sending dad a text asking him about it? Look, I'll help you write it".
Having sisters =/= keeping toxic masculinity in check In fact all Emperor's needs is some more empathetic and sympathetic personality and few wives to nurture them, those whose adopted by good family akin to Guilliman tend to be raised up into a normal yet talented human being, having good and caring parents is the key to foster and cultivating good children, not adding gender factors Also if anything, having siblings will eventually lead siblings to go on their own ways into adulthood by their own terms, not giving a damn about others but themselves and their own careers either, speaking from my personal experience on that one
I once saw a man in an absolutely incredible Alpharius cosplay do the "a dishonest man" monologue from PoTC, & it changed my life. The Emperor knew he could trust Alpharius to be dishonest. And I think that's beautiful.
i find the khan at the outbreak of the heresy quite hilarious and unexpected as hes the only one to just chill out and see what was going on before taking action completly unexpected by literally everyone.
The problem with the emperor's parenting skills is that he was either Great or Awfull depending on the primarch. if he simply helped Angron's slave rebelion thing , instead of simply "stealing" (I put it like this because thats how Mortarion sees it) his kill he could defeat the necromancer who raised Morty and give him the kill as the guy clearly needed some closure with the whole Necromancer dad thing and given Perturabo some better missions he would end up gaining 3 more loyalist Primarchs. And thats forgetting about Horus if the emperor instead of simply leaving telling him "I am going to Terra to solve a problem and it needs to be secretive or the ones who created this problem will fuck us up" he would not become a traitor and thats without revealing Chaos to him and giving him a answer that would satisfy him.
I dunno, in the case of Lorgar, I don't think there was any way of the Emperor meeting their expectations. If a person sets you up as an infallible god, at some point you are gonna fall short and slight them for it. To be honest the Emperor shoulda just killed Lorgar, given that Lorgar was so driven to undermine the Emperors vision of a secular Imperium. Lorgar was never going to be happy in that Empire, and would inevitably latch onto the Chaos gods who actually appreciate worship.
While exploring the lore around the primarchs it's cool and all, i'd really wish to have a series about special units (ie. deathwing...) with their feats, peculiarities, relationship with their chapter etc etc... just some food for thought
My head canon on the eleventh primarch simply goes, the Emperor found him on mars, where he was already too far augmented, that when they met the primarch literally just said "how may I serve you father, do you like my toaster?", then the Emperor just crushes him into the martian soil.
Why does everyone keep saying the emperor saw the primarchs only as tools when he literally called guilliman a son too as well as a tool . Plus his mind is broken beyond belief .
Majorkill Might I recommend 2 RU-vid videos. 1) Go over titanic weapons with that sweet sweet Australian swang and 2) Would the golden age of mankind survive in either war in heavens.
Well... it depends, I 'spose. They'd definitely survive if they were to join sides. Maybe they'd even help tip the power balance in the Old Ones' favor. By themselves? No f*cking way.
Perturabo would have been even more loyal than Lion El'Johnson if given the same treatment. Or even similar. "Perty, i know you keep getting the shit end of the stick but heres a bunch of ancient tech as a 'sorry'" would have made a Dorn 2.0 out of Perty.
For everything surrounding Alpharius, this perspective of him being traitor and his legion heretics might be exactly what the Emperor wanted. If you think of the Alpha Legion as MI-6 and Alpharius and Omegon as M and 007 respectively, you start to see that whole thing as the best way for Alpharius and his brother to enact the Emperor's safeguard plan he assigned to him(them). The only way to make sure the Enemy cannot destroy the Imperium... is to infiltrate the Enemy so well that even it thinks of you as a totally loyal element
I heard in a 40K theories video that during horus’s face of with grandpa emperor, he was actually torn away from chaos’s influence for a moment, a moment which he used to realize what had happened virulently apologize to his dad, and beg that big E put him down for the good of humanity
What was your first clue? The fact he bio enginered them to be bio weapons or that he lied to them all their life about something that could potencially kill and corrupt them?
If the primarchs switched planets all the traitors got the good planets and the loyalists got the bad ones Would things change, would they still take the same roles, nature or nurture tell me Australian warhammer guy
You say that like all the Loyalists got good planets, but I dunno dude. Caliban, Nocturne, Fenris and Baal are all right shitters, like if I recall correctly, every single one is considered a Death World. Sure, Nostramo was a hive world of the worst types of criminal, but it's not like Conrad Kurze couldn't have tried to actually address the criminality of the place, by his own admission in his book: he could have turned Nostramo into a paradise, but because it was easier to just scare the fuck out of everyone on the planet, he chose to do that. Angron is perhaps the only traitor who had no choice but to become what he did.
Lorgar needed a calm, level headed talking to about exactly why the whole "no more religion" bit was so important to the Emperor's plans instead of having his favorite city bombed and telling him to get good. If he had done that, Lorgar never would have fallen to Chaos.
Meh the Emperor should just have swallow his own pride and let Lorgar continue to worship him, the Emperor is intelligent enough to know the Imperial "Truth" is bullshit. Punishing Lorgar was completely unnecessary.
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I mean, from a results standpoint: absolutely. Half his children tried killing the other half, and him, while the loyal half all went and got lost for thousands of years instead of doing things he wanted them to do, leaving the most important thing to their dad, the human race, to devolve unopposed into the exact opposite of what he strove for.
"You kept that mule Kor Phaeron. Russ kept his kin-friends. The Lion kept Luther. Humans - brothers and foster fathers - saved and raised into Legion ranks. But not me. Not Angron, no. Did the Emperor teleport his gold-wrapped Custodians down to help me and my army? No. Did he free the War Hounds and order them to battle, fight alongside me? No. Did he save my brothers and sisters the way he spared and honoured the Lion's closest kin? The way he honoured Kor Phaeron? No, no and no. No mercy for Angron. Angron the Oathbreaker. Angron the Betrayer." Yeah, big E is an awful father.
