What went wrong with the Tube Map? 

I'd say it was a remarkably calm reaction in the circumstances, actually.

@Jау Fоrеman 🅥I'm not dumb

@Jау Fоrеman 🅥 fake jay formen

Spoiler

He’s also not wrong.

"Jago"! Great cameo. Love it!

just what i was thinking!

I'm now trying to work out if that's actually Jago or whether it's someone else that Jago has dubbed over. Not knowing what he looks like, it makes it very difficult to say!

@@andrewwebb3431 maybe that’s the reason for the glasses

Stealth face reveal? 🤯

also no bloody internet in the tube, good luck with your apps then

I suppose that's one advantage of a more complicated map, you can stare at it for hours and it's perfectly reasonable for anyone walking by, 'Anti-Beck claims another' :) Having said that though, a Beck design deserves to be admired, so you could reasonably stand staring at that for hours too without question, and if anyone dare asks what you're doing, 'It's a masterpiece' is all you would have to say. :)

Can’t make eye contact or even smile on the London Underground. It’s the unwritten rules.

Truly makes you proud to be a londoner. Now if only Beck could invent a design that keeps the damn tourists out of my god damn way in his underground.

That’s so British lol

Spoken like a true Londoner

Why is it on the map? "because they paid"

They are not on the TfL Go map, yet, so at least I don’t see them

Capitalism wins once again sadly

Maybe london needs to put the locations for kfc on the tube map as well.

@@MegaWunna or Pret A Manger. You probably couldn’t see anything else then. Haha

I agree, nice Jago reference there!

@@raakone and made by Jago himself. Loved that bit.

@@raakone It actually is Jago.

@here is the full clip here is the number ov people falling for this shit:

I only realised at that point I wasn't watching Map Men

Tube men, tube men, tube-tube-tube men-tube-men men tube.

Men map men nap men men men map map map... Map

Map Man, Map Man, Map Map Map, Man Man Man

I don't know how these guys do it, it's like he's predicted his success and knows his style has to be consistent.. or maybe that is *why* he's successful?

@@connorkapooh2002 he definitely knows what works xD. Also a slight correction to my original comment, the vids didn't go back to 2014...they went back to 2009 (the unfinished northern line video) His style is so superb hes been making RU-vid content for more than a decade in what is effectively the exact same way, but it always feels totally fresh and timeless. I'm pretty sure this is award worthy or something!

~Nah..he made all his videos in 1 year and is scheduled to release all videos sequentially so he can have a nice relaxing rest somewere while composing his next syllable out sync song

I'm mates with Jay in real life. When I lived on a narrowboat I offered for him to film any parts of Unfinished London about the canals as there's rich history and lots of weird stuff involved. He said "yeah, when I get round to it". Anyway, that was 3 years ago and I sold the boat a year and a half ago.

I thought this video was made 10 years ago, I didn't realize it was new till I checked the date.

*He used either

Not just voicing. That’s his face too.

@@JayForeman You're not fooling us. Jago is in fact a disembodied spirit that roams the tube, informing bypassers on interesting matters such as the early corporate structure of the Piccadilly and Brompton Railway, only to occasionally be caught on film.

Also the Tim Traveller starring as the Frenchman - nice!

@@THjelm Is this the MCU of transport based educational RU-vid videos?

Thought I recognised the voice. Thanks

Hey look Jay, you're big enough to be impersonated by robots now!

@Jау Fоrеman 🅥 you are quite obviously not the real jay foreman

That wasn't Tim but some French relative of his.

I fear Tim"s lines might have been misunderstood or mistranslated. Never mind, I'm sure it was all in the modern spirit of Pan-european cooperation.

I have a print on my hallway wall. As a fan of maps, the Lake District and Mike Oldfield it is one of my most treasured possessions. I’m very pleased I now get the chance to say thank you to you for producing it: Thank you. I’m also a Charlatans fan so to have the name Burgess on there is also a major plus!

​@@therealcaldini And thanks to you for supporting me! Tubular Fells has brought me great pleasure and helped me to contribute to the protection of the place I love, in some small part. I never advertised, but through my enthusism it seemed to appear in every outdoor's publication, including The Guardian and even The Sun! I initially produced the map without any notion it would become so popular but it certainly resonated throughout the fellwalking world. I am so touched it has become a treasured possession; nay I am humbled. I am sure I could sort it, but if you would likle me to inscribe a map for you it would be my pleasure to get one to you. Reply and I am sure we can sort it. Peter Burgess

This is absolutely brilliant. Do you have a website I can buy one from so you make as much money as possible?

pretty mental

Actually blew my mind.

literally spewed my drinks out

I think that has to be the most Jago way it could have happened haha

I was shooketh when I heard it...

I'm glad they're trying to introduce the diagram-style maps again for the subway.

There is one drawback to the accessibility info tho - sometimes it is USELESS. King’s Cross St Pancras tube station (said in that way because King’s Cross, St Pancras and the tube station are 3 separate things that don’t connect easily) is shit. I want to murder whoever designed it. Yes, it had lifts…BUT YOU NEED A DIAGRAM TO UNDERSTAND THE LIFTS. Every different bit is a long walk away from all the other bits in an overly complicated clusterfuck of floors. It’s all well and good to be step free to the street, but it’s not overly helpful if you put massive horrible walkways in between the various lifts you need to get up to the surface in the right spot. It is nightmarish and not even all that accessible! AND IT SERVES 2 MAJOR TRAIN STATIONS! PEOPLE HAVE SUITCASES! I don’t currently use a wheelchair (they’re expensive, I’m a student), but I do have some pretty bad mobility issues and trying to get up to King’s Cross today to catch a train to get back to uni almost gave me a panic attack, on top of the fact my elbows started subluxing, my knees decided simply to give up on me and my heart tried to take me out and give me a concussion. The symbol gives the false impression that the station is decently accessible for those with mobility issues, but it isn’t! It’s TERRIBLE! There should be a caveat off something. yeah there are lifts but you’ll spend 5 minutes just trying to get to the fucker only to find out it’s the wrong damn lift or it is the right lift but the fucking diagram JUST TELLING YOU WHICH LIFT GOES TO WHICH FLOOR AND WHAT STREET IT CONNECTS TO (and station you’d want) is a lying bastard and if you want King’s cross station lift C is perfectly acceptable you don’t have to go and hunt for lift b, which isn’t even helpfully signposted, and walk (if this is something you can even sort of manage to do) for several more minutes just to find out you’ve gone the wrong way. I doubt it’s accessible for wheelchair uses just based on the arm workout you’d get trying to navigate the bastard.

@@poisonedkilljoy9304 Haven't had the pleasure of trying to find my way around the Kings Cross St Pancras lifts, but even the lift system at Green Park is a nightmare. I had cause to use it recently and there were three separate lifts with significant walks between each one to get from the lowest level (can't remember which line that is) to the street level. While I was mildly incapacitated (hence the need to use the lifts - something I've never needed before) and was at least able to manage the lengthy walk, I can't imagine what it must be like for someone who has more severe physical challenges to get out of there. It doesn't seem like a good enough system.

*Roosterfosters

Where’s the time stamp for ISIHAC theme? Disappointed.

@@dalriadaskillen sorry. Can you add it?

Why doesn't it show as a hashtag?

​@@Anonymous-df8itBig overground. Spread to word on the conspiracy! 🙃

Not just a Jago Hazzard reference, Jago Hazzard himself in the flesh!

@@JayForeman Oh wow, thought it was dubbed! Brilliant!

It honestly is shocking. Youd think theyd add at least one line at some point over the years.

How do you get around? That looks like mayhem.

7:49 for others looking, but you’ll have to start/stop or go frame by frame on a computer to see it!

@@SorchaSublime we already have a pretty good existing overground railway system which kind of negates the need for underground lines to the suburbs, which kind of sucks because more underground would be cool.

Best map

The London tube man is not really representative of what is above ground. The MTA map looks as if it might echo what is above ground.

@@eattherich9215 @eattherich9215 Yeah, you're right. The MTA map is pretty good for figuring out which stop is closest to a specific location, something the Underground map can't really do. It also helps that NYC has a very rigid split between urban subways and suburban commuter rail vs London where the urban subways lines are just extended out to the suburbs to serve as commuter rail. That means there different maps at different scales for urban subways and suburban rail.

@@eattherich9215 That thing is, it doesn't matter. You know where you are starting and where you are trying to go, everything else in the middle is irrelevant. So having the map represent anything more than the route between the two stations is not very useful. And all that trying to fit geography makes the map substantially harder to read. When I first lived somewhere with a Beck style map, I hated it. But once I got used to it I realized my brain thinks in the same way as the map, based on transit points not actual geography.

@@88porpoise Read that New Yorkers wanted their subway map to be more geographically accurate, since some lines run closer to each other in parallel, so they could tell which line would be nearer to them. Fortunately I guess the subway largely follows the road network/layout there (as it's mostly cut & cover) which is more regular, so the map still doesn't look super messy

@@88porpoise the point is that you don’t know where you are going to go with regards to the subway stop. You know your final destination and a geographically accurate map helps figure out which subway stop you should go to get there. I will always defend the MTA map it’s wonderful.

"the river helps ground the map" Fun

I agree, the river seems like the least intrusive and most useful non train-related detail on any tube map

If your got the River on the map ! the paper becomes all soggy

I've never been to London, but as an occasional home ground visitor to Prague which does use the river in most of its maps (except the flattened metro line overview in the metro cars themselves), I agree that the river is a useful point of reference.

It's definitely useful for helping to decide which stations/routes to use. It's no use being close to your destination, if you're the wrong side of the river (especially if not near a bridge)!

hahaha that cracked me up.

His grave marked with my day of birth as his day of death made me a little sad.

Thanks! Map Men is coming back later this year. Stay tuned…..

Yes!!!

I just came back from Hong Kong for geography dissertation fieldwork! (Not about the MTR haha) but I do love your map system and overall tube network over there, it’s so well done! Really love the city ❤ love from London!

Unfortunately... It's outdated.

So did I. It’s like another hidden video within a video

No it doesn’t. They made it yellow.

It is him is it? The voice is so distinctive.

Yes!!! Knew it was him immediately 😁👏👏👏👏

@@yorkiegrit and the phrase he used too.

For a second I was like "Hey, I heard this voice before" and then it hit me xD

I didn't realise it was him until the phrase "You are the ungrateful corporation to my lifetime of service"... and then it clicked. :) Also great to see Tim Traveller, but with a different voice!

I was grateful that I had finished eating before the extreme close-up of his pimple, though 😊

you would also quite like Ssethtzeentachs ad breaks

You could say, they are... spot-on

@@Smirnaffskiy Badam-Tusch!

I was about to type just the same. I think the sponsor(s?) should pay him some extra. He doesn't just make an _extra_ effort at making the viewers actually watch them but they, in fact, watch it. At least the two of us.

Great map. Nice work. Feedback: I think the font could be more readable. Station markers are not on the middle and the border could be thicker. Some lines intersect in a funky way for example Bolnholmer str. and sometimes there is extra space between the lines. I would remove most unnecessary bends and just connect them straight to the station marker. The choice of colours resemble the communist era. Initially I thought U7 ia a river - sorry I don't know Berlin 🤤 Besides these points your map is on point.

@@adavidmezei Thanks! I chose the font because it is similar to old Berlin streetname signs, but sure it could be a bit more readable. Some stations are hard to draw and compromises have to be made. Bornholmer Str. was such a thing. It has this two lines S2 and S8 that split up to two additional lines S25/S85 and make it more complicated. In the official plan the splitting happens after Bornholmer Str. but I think this was a unnessesary complication as that doesn't matter for the passenger. In the official plan there are a lot more lines drawn there anyway with no additional information. Regarding bends I think I reached the absolute minimum in the u-bahn-only plan. I had to compromise a little bit here and there to fit in overground (S-Bahn) lines together with the U-Bahn, but it should be really close to the absolute minimum still.

@@aurigo_tech Yes, I understood the challenge that station had. I also understand the font choice. Consistency is key. Here is my take on the problem: i.kek.sh/izClU4N4ffk.png What do you think?

@@adavidmezei You introduce sharp corners there or allow for direction change in a station. It does look a bit cleaner regarding the stations but I tried to avoid that as much as possible because one of my rules was that a line could enter and leave station only in the same angle (or as close as possible if a direction change is unavoidable), so the eye can follow right through a station. It was a bit tricky with S8/S85 and S2/S25 in that case, so yeah perhaps your solution is better there. If we just allow for more lines to leave a station at a different angle, then of course moving the crossing between S1 and S25 to the station makes sense as well. Oh and the thicker signs for the lines' names are a big improvement as well! In any case I feel honoured that someone thinks about the same problems I had and uses my map somehow. Well done! :)

First of all: I LOVE THIS. I think it would take me some time to get used to the Ringbahn not being a regular "circle" anymore but that's just a matter of time. I also really really appreciate that u removed unnecessary turns and sharp angles for the lines - like S1 is now running smoothly from Rathaus Steglitz to Wannsee 💕. Oh, and U9 being a straight line now? *Chef's kiss* However, I do have one tiny design problem: sometimes when the lines are running parallel to each other they touch each other and sometimes there's a tiny gap between them (see: S1 + S2 vs. S8 + S9, or at corners like Landsberger Allee). But that's just a tiny thing.

Never mind Jago, that looked an awful lot like the Tim Traveller being French. And at the line massive tube nerds… why no cut to Geoff? It’s kind of conspicuously missing.

Yes! I also immediately recognised his voice! :D

​@@JasperJanssen Because he played Frank Pick in Part One.

@@JasperJanssen Because he was already in part 1

Me me me!!! Only 21 too

I'm 25 and me also!

I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue what you are on about.

Yup, same here. And I'm not even a Brit...

Absolutely agree!!

Jay and Brutalmoose

I never skip Jay and Internet Historian's sponsor segments because they're hilarious. On occasion I'll even listen to Max Miller's ones because you have to reward those amazing segues he does.

Daniel Thrasher is also excellent at this!

He's a comedian, and his comedy is gold.

They did not, however, employ said extra to record his own rendition of the ISIHAC theme. That was a bit of a missed opportunity, given what Tim did with the BBC News theme.

@@JdeBP Tim does perform a rendition of a well known tune with a twist in this video. See if you can spot where.

@@JayForeman Again, though, giving Tim a twist instead of a hornpipe is somewhat of a missed opportunity. (-: By the way, they were still sometimes giving the 'phone number as Abbey 1234 at the start of the 1970s.

Is lavaman not aware that Tim speaks fluent French already? Perhaps he doesn't watch Tim's videos.

The actor is such a method actor that he moved to France and spent two years living there just to prepare for the role!

Right? I live in HK and recognised that map - and its lack of *more* lines - immediately 😂

That'll be 'The Schickel Shamble', for those wondering. You are most welcome.

The perfect touch would have been getting Tim to cover it. (-:

I do wonder how many of Jay's quintessentially middle-class Brit references are lost on the majority of his audience.

he never suggested it be replaced, rather you use an app to figure out which lines/stations to take rather than look at the map itself

@@ultraL2 Well Brock Bayley is still allowed to argue against replacing the map!

What about a hybrid approach? A digital version of the map where you can hide the details you don't want would allow people to get the info they need at a glance.

@@AndrewMcColl And perhaps places where the map needs to be tiny could have a "simplified" version, which has only your current transport type + what services it will connect to (eg. just a tube map with symbols indicating "main line rail", "tram", "ferry" and so on at stations where the tube connects to those, and for trams a similar map but with only trams and symbols for the tube)

@@mennoltvanalten7260 that's the beauty with a digital version, you can make it work for you. Especially useful if you're only able to use stations with disabled access.

The disability info bit was clearly a joke, given that he ended it with "... to be quite so blobby".

* as well *

He will. He said on his community tab

Not just voiced. That’s the real him in the video!

@@JayForeman wow, that's awesome. Cheerio!

@@JayForemanI’m SHOOKETH

I've no idea who Jago Hazard is. I suspect I'm in a very small tiny minority on here...

@@paulhaynes8045 I'm with you in that small tiny minority.

Couldn't agree more

Absolutely not

Oh no, jay foreman bots exist

You’re not alone!

I just did

I’m glad SOMEONE noticed that! Took me ages!

(The graphics, I mean. Not taking that actual route. That would be silly.)

@@JayForeman We need a video where you take that route!

im sorry but "unitedstatesians" LMFAOOOO 💀💀💀💀🤚

I moved to London 3 months ago, and this is exactly what my wife and I do on the weekends to explore London. It's amazing how often we find something really fun/interesting by doing this!

@@caleballen4721 I was born and raised in London and have lived here for a little over 20 years, and I still remember exploring what a random station had in store for us when I went there with friends. It was great fun, and I'd do it again too. That station was Limehouse on the DLR if you're interested!

@@caleballen4721 I wish I had the money that you people had... I dream of affording a hotel in london each week.

*would have

@@AicyDC I totally feel that. To be fair, I wasn’t in hotels all the time. It was mainly dodgy hostels or questionable airbnbs haha

Map Men is still going...

That was Tim Traveler! Thank you, I wasn't sure.

not so cool for the people tvat actually use captions tough. how do i know what was actually said and what was added

@@thisorthat629 Basically, the captions Jay put was the...uhm...nicer version of what Tim actually said

Hello! I supported Dave Gorman on his 2011 tour, so it wasn’t as long ago as it feels. :)

@@JayForeman oh woops. I assumed it was while I was actually at college. Well my point stands :)

Slight correction, Delhi metro was operational since 2002. By 2007 it had two big lines which were running near full capacity. Source: I was there using the metro.

in my experience the usability and intuitive design is impressive even when it comes to navigating in the subway, same goes for the airports in london. at least in my experience compared to any other subway system or airport ive used. its hard almost impossible at times, to take the wrong turn.

@@domoncar6782 Kolkata lads seldom care about good stuff outside their own city IMO.

Oh my god another Bengali! Though I didn’t grow up in India, I fondly remembered seeing the trams go by in Kolkata during the summer. It’s a shame they’ve practically gotten rid of them all, seeing as that was a defining symbol of the city :(

Brother. Delhi metro had been operational for half a decade till then. This is also how Bengal got the Roshogola first. Lol

over here in the Europes we have apps where we plunk in where we are or will be and it tells us how far we have to walk to catch a bus or train, but of course up here in Northern Europe walking distance is 3 km, which is 10 times the distance where the typical American demand a car

@@thesteelrodent1796 WDYM, Google Maps does tell that for much of the world's cities, app support is not something where Europe would stand out particularly. Manhattan is pretty big, so regardless what's your "the distance where typical you demand a subway ride" it can be quite useful to have a map which shows when the distance is twice that. And that was Gabriel's point I think. Not a dick measuring contest about who walks longer.

@@thesteelrodent1796 They didn't have that when the Beck-style map was tried. It was the 1960s.

@@thesteelrodent1796 Americans from NYC are certainly not "typical"...

@@thesteelrodent1796 Europeans thinking they are unique for doing something the entire world does while shitting on Americans for being close minded never gets old

@Jау Fоrеman 🅥 Hello Mr Fake Foreman!

@@horatioisthebest Hello fake Nelson.

@@chad007. I'm not a bot. Try directing it towards fake jay.

@@pooletrainboy Hello Mr Fake Figs. Your pfp is a plane!