@@ShellyS2060 omg you read my mind! When I hear someone say "I'm never coming back" in videos like this, my mental question is immediately "Can we get that in writing please?"
Unbeknownst to Alice, King Charles III woke up that day with a weird hunger for vegan cake made in a vegan kitchen but specifically from a traditional Irish bakery that isn't exclusively vegan
“Camilla darling! Could you send a complete and utter nobody to that lovely bakery in Ireland to order me a scrummy vegan cake! Oh, don’t tell them who it’s for, oh and make sure they clear out all of their none-vegan ingredients! I’m feeling very charitable today, if they make a 100% completely vegan cake in their vegan kitchen, I shall pop over myself and award them a million Euros and a Damehood!” Now I’m just picturing a scenario like the Queen Victoria and Prince Albert scenes in “Blackadder’s Christmas Carol”.
@@Aurora3242 Brazil. Consumers code prohibits refusing to attend any client, as long as they offer to pay the announced price of a product or service (you also can't charge them more for being annoying).
As a vegan I would never expect this any place I go to. If they say they can make it vegan or they have vegan products ready to purchase, I just take their word for it
Ehh.. as a fellow vegan, I just double make sure they understand what vegan means.. because sometimes people misunderstand what it means. But yeah, a non vegan place, I'd expect that they'd try their best to limit cross contamination, and the exclusion of animal products in their vegan goods.
@@Antsandy96 To be honest... a lot of people who call themself vegan misunderstand what that means... there are in fact people, who will order a vegan meal, but ask for some eggs for it and still call themself a vegan because they ate a vegan meal
Having dealt with vegans, this attitude of expecting everyone to completely derail their lives and businesses to cater to said vegans is exactly what I've come to expect from them. Worst example was a vegan on my team who tried to get everyone else fired for not being vegan. Mind this was a software engineering team, not a vegan restaurant. Supposedly being in the same building with non-vegans "created an unsafe work environment".
Now, if the thing you have a problem with is cross contamination, and you wanna make sure surfaces are wiped and no wooden utensils are used cross-wise. You wanna make sure to keep the non-vegan, vegan and glutten free etc ingredients separate. for example, even sugar needs be kept in separate spots for non glutten and glutten loaves to avoid cross contamination. But all of those are reasonable anti-contamination storage and hygene demands. To ask they throw shit out is outrageous
I still find it incredible that so many people consider it more unreasonable to be a so-called "bad vegan" than to literally fund industries that systematically kill animals for the purpose of harvesting their body parts and bodily secretions.
The worst part of that is that there are places that career to the customer. Probably not cheap though. The customer could've asked for a reference or the op could've told her where to look for one.
@@that_dam_baka Catering to the customer too much is part of why we have so many entitled shits today. It's why my dad always told me that if I'm going out with a guy be mindful of how he treats staff, that it would likely give a good read of how he would treat me down the line.
I aks about how food is prepared and handled every time I go to a place that serves prawns / shrimp. But that's because I'm allergic and can die in a really unpleasant way because of it. Even so, always aks in a polite manner, since no one is responsible for my allergy
Right. Asking them to wipe the tables down and the like wasn't unreasonable, as they would do the same for an allergy request at most good restaurants. But they wouldn't throw the allergen out completely.
see this is what i mean. The outrageous part isnt asking for surfaces to be wiped down/asking how the ingredients going into different types of meals are stored. The outrageous part is expecting them to throw out everything. Even just using the same sugar container for storing sugar for both non glutten and glutten meals can cause cross contamination. If you cater to people who cannot eat certain ingerdients, its best to have a different working surface/utensils. Assuming your kitchen isnt closet sized, having 2 separate tables to work on + 2 different cupboards with the same ingredients should be enough.
That’s different because it’s an allergy (something you have no control over). Place’s should gladly accommodate an allergy. Veganism is a choice. Expecting such extreme accommodations for a choice is selfish and entitled.
I don't think that anyone reasonable minds you asking - what you're doing is both protecting yourself and preventing a medical emergency in their facility! But you're also not insisting that they throw out all shellfish, just ensuring it's not near you. You're being totally reasonable - never let anyone tell you different 😊 My extended family run bars and restaurants, that I've helped out in a fair few times. We have signs on all the menus telling customers to please tell us about any allergies so we can avoid setting them off. Trust me, good kitchens WANT to know. They'll be open with you about how the food is made and, where possible, offer a solution. It's actually a good test for an eatery, to be honest. If they're honest and/or say "these items are stored/were made near the shellfish, but these items were not" then it's probably safer for *everyone* to eat at because they have a good knowledge of what's going on in that kitchen. I would definitely recommend calling ahead where you can, though. We had a family coming in with a child with a severe peanut allergy that spoke to us about it when they booked the table. Because we had time to prepare, we put them in a separate area, well away from anyone who might have touched peanuts (& cleaned down that space, as peanuts are sold in the bar area as a snack) and cleaned down the kitchen before we prepped their food,. None of the staff involved ate any nuts that day to ensure no cross-contamination through breath, and washed down & popped on a clean apron as a clothing cover before going near the food (for delivery, as well as in the kitchen). We could scrutinise every single stage, from prep, to cooking, to the delivery. The family said it was the first time they'd been to eat out, stress-free, since having the child (they'd had a bad experience early on and so had avoided it). So, it is possible, but people need to be reasonable and give the establishment the time to get it right. I know it's not ideal, and not possible in every scenario, but if you're kind and polite, and let people know in advance, good eateries will go the extra mile because you have been respectful enough to give them time (& good chefs love a challenge! 😉😎).
I stopped being vegan when I realized the community is super hateful and there’s all kinds of in fighting. I guess it was wrong for me to be vegan. I guess i didn’t realize at the time I was doing it for acceptance but I was. But after one vegan chick freaked out at me and called me a murdered for ordering a vegan item from a place that was not exclusively vegan I just got really tired and decided I couldn’t do it anymore. I was ironically isolating myself and making myself more lonely.
@@BrightElkI get that the community can be weird and cliquey, and if you were doing it for social reasons, that would defeat the object if they're nasty to you. But it's perfectly possible to be vegan in isolation. I was for a long time, and don't really do much that's 'of a comminity' at all. I'm doing it for the animals, the planet, and my health, after all - nobody else.
There's an old saying in Spain that goes "may you take as much peace with you as you leave behind"! I say it under my breath like a dozen times a day 😂
There was a show in the 90s called Family Matters, which featured an overly stereotypical annoying nerd because being offensive was "cool". When he'd get too annoying people would demand that he goes home, he wouldn't, then they'd go "Go home, go home, go home!" To which he'd reply "I don't have to take this. I'm going home." Kind of like that but offensive
Her: "My first request is that you get rid of your non vegan kitchen :)" Me: "Look ma'am. I think getting rid of a bad customer is a lot faster and cheeper."
Yeah, lots of people who think like that don't seem to grasp the basics of running a business. Just like a busy club, kicking out a few troublemakers and "loosing out" on their money is way cheaper than accommodating said troublemakers.
Royal family influence could make or destroy a reputation immediately. If the royals really liked it and advertised that fact, the bakery could potentially raise prices a bit yet still sell out of goods. If it was a negative opinion... They might be lucky if the only consequences were no longer having any customers. They could also potentially face harassment and stalkers, various types of bullying and threats.
If you can get a 'by royal appointment' stamp on your product then that's pretty damn huge in the UK. You're not allowed to use it unless a member of the royal family is actually a customer.
Can't you also not refuse anything to a royal in the UK? And doesn't this take place in Ireland (republic of) anyway? (She's speaking english but items cost euros)
I mean, if a customer is willing to pay me to throw away all of my ingredients, 'sanitize' my kitchen, and still pay for a "cake"? I will do my best to make sure it is delivered with a smile.
@@fzyturtle I was talking about the Vegan customer. Have you heard about the vegan that got arrested? Was read her rights to remain silent She said Oh No I won't!
I don't think she's been vegan since 1998. My guess is that she's a fairly recent convert and she's trying some power plays to see how many buttons she can push while she thinks she's virtue signalling.
I work in a coffee shop, we have many vegan and vegetarian options. Yesterday s woman asked for maple syrup for her coffee, i informed her we didn't have it but we did have honey. In her slimiest voice she told me that wasn't good enough because "im vegan" congratulations lady, so am i. She refused to use sugar and stomped out in a huff as if we care. Maple syrup costs alot of money, either use sugar or drink it black.
They could prep to bring some maple syrup with them... :S but I get it I've been tempted to switch to maple syrup as it actually tastes better than sugar.
I'm trying to wrap my head around honey or maple syrup in coffee...? I mean, I drink my coffee black, so I don't think I'd like either, but I've always associated honey with tea and maple syrup with pancakes. Maybe one day I'll give it a try and see if I've been missing something!
I love how at no point did either side mention how much animal products would be wasted for no reason only for more to need to be exploited in replacement
Like I get you don’t want to eat meat or stuff from animals but isn’t it worse to make the animals sacrifice be in vain? You throw out the food and now more needs to be made to replace it?
@@terrancat Yes, perhaps she doesn't go to restaurants and that is what you do if you are so particular or so severely allergic. Don't eat out unless its in a vegan restaurant. I prefer vegan restaurants myself, so I know my food is clean. If I eat in a non- vegan restaurant I don't make them jump through such hoops just for me.
Too late. Vegans already have a bad name. Sorry, I can't be your friend for another ten years unless you go vegan too... Sorry brother, your meating ways are just too horrible. Me: are you fing kidding me?
idk, I don't think she'd say anything more than all vegans would agree with: yeah, the world should be vegan, it sucks that it isn't, but I doubt telling random people to stop making non-vegan stuff for money (and throw out all the ingredients - usually when people go vegan, they finish eating the non-vegan stuff they have in the fridge, because no one benefits from them throwing it out) is an effective strategy I mean, Vegan Teacher's strategy doesn't seem very effective either, so maybe she'd agree with this approach I personally like her passion, her arguments are sound and I personally enjoy her style of arguing, but you need to know your opponent/audience: me and my friends say "a day without an analogy to N4zism is a wasted day", but we just enjoy this style of heated arguments and very strong comparisons (maybe it has something to do with the local culture, comparisons to Hitler, Stalin etc. are thrown all the time here by politicians on TV - I'm Polish (with Jewish roots, to make things spicier), so I guess belonging to one of the biggest groups of WW2 victims grants you the pass to use the horrible events of WW2 as analogies or even jokes), but TVT (That Vegan Teacher) has an audience consisting mostly of Americans, many many kids etc. who are very emotional, consider some analogies too touchy/strong, many seem not to understand sarcasm etc. no idea what a good strategy is: I don't really promote veganism, I just exist as a vegan, so people around me see that it works and it's easy, if someone asks about something (recipes, nutrition info), I'll provide it, and it's a requirement to be vegan if you want to join my friend circle (you may slide as a vegetarian open to transitioning to veganism, for a meat eater I can support your transition to veganism, but it's acquaintanceship until you become vegan)
@@autumnblaze6267 The thing is she doesn't limit her arguments to shoddy comparisons with the Holocaust. She's been known to go after victims of SA to say they are even worse because "they should know what it's like", comparing r**e with animal husbandry. There's making a dark joke with the right people (I myself appreciate a good n*zi joke given the toll they took in my country, humor is part of cultural healing), and then there's attacking victims of awful stuff in all seriousness.
I'm also a vegan, and it's reasonable to assume you wipe down the workstation and clean the equipment before making vegan products, but after that, just using ingredients that are vegan is all that's needed. Some people are just extra. And since I assume you make sure to use clean equipment and utensils when making your baked goods, I think her reaction was really insane xD - I'd actually love to try one of your goods if I ever figure out where it is
@@victoriabill9257 um no. If you have an allergy it is perfectly reasonable to ask about what may have come in contact with, such as peanuts or seafood, but as a hospitality worker, I can tell you it can't be guaranteed, although the best will be done if you alert people to your allergy. If your vegan too bad, you are in the minority, order steamed veggies with olive oil and balsamic vinegar
As a vegan myself I can say with certainty we'd be more concerned with the fact you would then have to replace those discarded animal products, therefore unnecessarily doubling the impact. We'd never. Lol
Like I understand if you don’t want to eat meat or stuff from animals but isn’t it worse to make the animals sacrifice be in vain? You throw out the food and now more needs to be made to replace it?
Her request seems perfectly reasonable. She just needs to pay for all the goods that are to be thrown out and to have the whole kitchen exclusively catering to her order for 24 hours or so.
Not just pay for the ingredients, pay for all the lost business because she was catering to one customer and didn’t produce other non-vegan products. Since it’s one cake, she wouldn’t need her employees for that time but not working would not be their choice so they would still need to be paid.
No. Animals gave of their own food and/or bodies to provide those things. To waste them is unacceptable in the extreme. It is no mere heresy. It is anathema.
@@ChobinoftheFunk "Gave" is a very nice way to word enslaving, forcing to produce and take the produce away and then killing them when no longer profitable. I guess if someone cuts away my leg or an organ without my consent then I gave it to them huh :3 That being said even as a vegan I do agree it's a waste. Animals already suffered and died for these products, throwing them away is a spit on their awful experiences if you're going to be replacing them anyway. And buying more to replace the thrown out ones is causing more suffering and killings. No vegan would want that lol.
I ate vegan during a long time, but vegan pastry is really unconventional and a lot more expensive than classical recipes. The taste is also different, even if it can be really tasty (the best lemon curd and brownie I ever ate were vegan). I sometimes dared to ask if some bakery had vegan products, but I was just glad people weren't rude to me when they answered "no" 98% of the time. There is nothing bad about asking but people shouldn't be disrespectful. Those who expect anyone to follow their own way of thinking or their own lifestyle are just unbearable. It goes for vegan and non-vegan.
I have an allergy to gluten, and sometimes I get people saying no to me in an exasperated way, but I would say 90 Percent of the time people are nice when they tell me no.
"Those who expect anyone to follow their own way of thinking or their own lifestyle are just unbearable." Okay, so does your lifestyle involve not clubbing homeless people to death? If so, are you fine with other people clubbing homeless people to death? Going by your statement here, you'd have to be; you'd be unbearable otherwise.
Idk how someone can be vegan and also be okay with animal produce just being thrown away. If the animal is already dead or the milk has already been produced I would rather it not go to waste
There's varieties of vegans with different reasons. If they're doing so for economic or health reasons, they'd agree that it'd be a waste to throw it out even if they can't support using it for themselves. If they're doing so for religious or spiritual reasons, they probably would view the kitchen as "unclean" but wouldn't go this far unless they had just bought the whole bakery for their own use. The Karen in the story would be the kind that's really doing it for act like they're better than everyone else. A few folks like that in any group you can think of (religion, irreligion, politics, sports, fandoms).
As a former vegan……. No one would say this because wasting the products is worse than eating it. In fact having you throw them away increases animal suffering by forcing you to buy more for your business
Why would anyone be a "former vegan"? It's like being a former opponent of geno side. "Well, I used to think it was wrong, but then an immigrant looked at me funny, so I decided I had to wipe his sort from the face of the Earth."
Vegan is actually very unhealthy for humans; anemia and vitamin deficiencies are basically normal for them. And then trying to explain that, yes, eating beans and rice does technically provide all the amino acids the human body requires, but not in the ratios required, so there's your protein malnutrition...
She expected a vegan cake for 35 euro?? Can't even get a regular cake for 35 USD in the states 😂 Here, she'd be forking out at least $60 for a vegan cake
I don’t have a problem with someone being vegan but apparently most come with the demanding and preaching options enabled . Politely ask what is available and either accept it or quietly go on your way. I might try something from a vegan establishment but I wouldn’t even consider requesting special accommodations.
Most don’t. Most vegans are just normal people that happen to have a preference in what they eat. Just like how some people don’t eat added sugars, don’t eat palm oil, or people avoid single use plastic, etc. It’s just that the bad ones are the ones that are noticed, because who would take notice to a vegan who isn’t preaching about their veganism… I used to be vegan & was in a lot of vegan groups, and honestly I never met a bad vegan. I did however meet a lot of meat eaters who would be Karen’s towards the vegan community🤷♀️ now that I am a meat eater, I have met a few bad vegans, but I still meet more obnoxious meat eaters trashing on vegans than the opposite.
@@WhimsicalCrochet fair and honest response! I had a sister-in-law who was vegetarian and while she didn’t preach she did introduce me to a few things that I had never heard of before.
@@WhimsicalCrochet Despite claiming to have been vegan, you never understood veganism if you still think it is just "a preference in what they eat". The meat, dairy, and egg industries exploit and k!ll animals and need to be opposed in precisely the same sense that r@pe, murder, and enslavement of human beings needs to be opposed. What you are saying is as absurd as to say that someone who opposes slavery has nothing more than "a preference regarding sourcing labour".
@@omp199 What you think you’re doing: making a passionate speech defending animals in industries that torture them What you’re actually doing: further dehumanizing SA survivors like me by reducing us to the level of animals/ meat, precisely like our abusers did. It does not matter what your beliefs are or what your intention was. You’re not helping make the case for animals. You’re just punching down on human beings.
As a vegan, the thought of asking someone to throw away and waste all of those animal products they already have makes me want to cry. Like they're already there, the animals already suffered, and now you want the baker to WASTE THEM???????
Right?! She even mentioned lovely specialty vegan bakeries! This lady could’ve been like “Oh okay, can you point me to them?” Those places exist for a reason. I’m an omnivore and I like to eat at vegan places sometimes/ do vegan recipes because the vegan spice game is on point and it’s made me a better cook!
A mother, yelling at me because i told her off for almost letting her kids drown: we are NEVER coming back to this pool i cant BELIEVE you would SINGLE OUT my children and QUESTION my PARENTING!! Me, pointing to the exit: please do, for the love of all things good in this world
Once I was in hospital and near me was this crazy woman who was a vegan who refused to eat fruit and vegetables too... Her entire diet was crackers, vegemite sandwiches and oat milk. She needed several potassium infusions (painful I know) and kept on harassing the (overworked) doctors and nurses regarding the food. Crazy.
Someone's been watching vegan teacher. This wasn't even about cross contamination, the customer just wanted to push their own beliefs. People who choose veganism as a "religion", and not just based on dietary needs and moral dilemmas, are the ones that try this stuff. The extreme ones are the same kind that may try to give their pets "vegan" diets.
Every shopkeeper would be tickled to death to have members of the royal family shopping in their place of business the Boone to their advertising would be tremendous if they could honestly say that royalty shops there... so therefore would do absolutely anything requested of them including sanitizing and going vegan as long as they were paying for the whole entire thing
Not exactly. “The customer is always right” IS the original quote, the lengthened version is a more recent modification made to better represent the service industry
"This is outrageous" yes you are. Please leave. "Your sign says you cater to everyone!" And we will cater to you, if you're willing to pay those hundreds of euros to replace all the ingredients.
I’m vegetarian with a meat phobia and I just don’t order things that are likely to have cross contamination. I’ll never order a vegan burger for instance. But at the fast food lines at open kitchen style places, I’m annoying and ask for a glove change.
Honestly that is supposed to be protocol. I’ve worked in restaurants before and that would never annoy me, maybe it’s because I used to be vegan, but I think people are usually understanding when it comes to cross contamination.
A glove change is reasonable accommodation though. Just like if someone has a religious or non-allergy medical diet, it would be reasonable. (Side note: now you made me want a mushroom burger 😅)
As dedicated omnivore, good vegan burgers are incredible! Especially the ones based on chickpeas. The taste and texture allow for some really good flavor combinations. The handling is different from meat patties, too. Unless the kitchen is tiny it'll go on a different surface.
If this is a true story, it's very discouraging. I am a big believer in animal welfare, and even some animal rights. Behavior like this customer's is the best way to drive people away from that cause. I celebrate anyone's efforts to live a more cruelty-free life. If you just can't give up meat, I'll be thrilled to bits if you adopted Meatless Mondays, or even just one meatless day a month. A bakery that provides yummy treats to vegans and thus also shows that you don't have to give up all your favorite foods to be vegan is a double win, in my opinion.
Or just be poor, I probably eat meat once a week. (that being said it's mostly a choice, I'd like for the meat industry to be more respectful, eating meat isn't a problem, doing it twice a day should be as surrealistic of a standard as this very demanding vegan lady, there is no need for it, it's more expensive, worse for the planet, the farmers, the meat industry workers, basically nobody benefits from it, it just became the norm because rich people were always abusive, and now that the average citizen is wealthy enough to afford it too, it became the norm, an abnormal norm that had to be forced in inhuman ways to be sustainable...)
My brother-in-law is allergic to nuts, seeds, and beans. Therefore, a plant-based diet would kill him. Also, harassing people for their dietary choices is rude.
@@155chipmunkz then it’s understandable for why he currently can’t go vegan But this isn’t 99% of the population and if we all admit that it’s a problem to abuse animals and the 99% does it we will definitely find solutions for the 1%
this brings back a strange memory I was playing minecraft and didn't know what to name the world so I named it "eat the meat" because it rhymed and there was a RU-vid google translate video I watched that said that. apparently the friend I was playing minecraft with was vegan 💀
All my vegan teacher have told us in the first month of class. The most funny part is that my biology teacher is one of them and we will need to look into hearts and lungs of cows in the next semester.
I *think* the implication is that if you're a member of a royal family, then she'll take your word for it that you can afford to replace the ingredients she'd be throwing away.
Vegans exist in this weird place within culture. The right wing hate their guts and the left (the actual left) rarely want to associate with them. The issue is that a lot of people became vegan within the last decade because they felt like they could use it as a moral high ground to belittle all others. The reality is that an animals' rights activist would rather be forced to compromise their ideal preference than to cause incredible food waste. Because unlike some vegans, the people who've been doing this for a long time are politically educated activists and not some person who just wishes to be mildly annoying at parties.
two pieces of advice to be held in perfect tandem "the customer is always right," and "not ever customer is worth it." "so are your demands-" you know that was a skit ending zinger.
I remember going to a vegan café last year and having one of their "vegan croissants," which literally turned out to be just a small loaf of brown bread shaped like a croissant.
northern ireland is under the royals, and south of that is "true" ireland. iirc. Much like scottland under british rule.... and british columbia of canada.
She specifically says “BAD vegan.” That directly implies the existence of good vegans. It’s like if I said I got preached to by bad Christians and went on a rant about it; I wouldn’t be calling all Christians bad, I’d specifically be griping about the behaviors common to bad members of that community.
@@Axqu7227 That makes sense to me. 😊 Lately I've been watching a lot of RU-vid stand-up comedy, and lots of comics are doing lame cliche jokes mocking vegans. Then I notice tons of people in the comments chiming in and saying how all vegans are a-holes. I've seen this exact joke dozens of times in the last two weeks: Q. How can you tell if someone's a vegan? A. They'll tell you in the first 5 minutes. I feel it's an unfounded stereotype. Thanks for listening.
