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When China Failed to Conquer Taiwan: the Battle for Kinmen Island

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The Battle for Kinmen Island
The Chinese Civil War went very well for the Chinese Communist Party in 1949 and the Nationalists were on the run. After another devastating loss at the city of Xiamen, Chiang Kai-Shek and his Nationalist forces retreated to the island of Taiwan. But the People’s Liberation Army looked unstoppable and Taiwan’s fall seemed inevitable.
The Battle of Kinmen, also known as the Battle of Guningtou, ended those expectations. A combination of too much hubris and too little information conspired to inflict upon the Communist Party its most devastating defeat of the war and set the foundation for the split between China and Taiwan today.
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@kevinshannon955 6 лет назад

PLA suffered from what the Japanese called 'Victory Disease'. Thought they could win any battle just because they had won so many previously. They weren't the first, and certainly not the last, to learn this unpleasant lesson.

@heavenbright2342 6 лет назад

Kevin Shannon a modern conflict, without the US, would see a fight even more one-sided than the Gulf War. The ROC armed forces is technologically backward and has no actually counters against the PLA.

@copperandradium 3 года назад

@日本人 Already happened in Vietnam.

@MaximGhost 6 лет назад

Great info. I didn't know about Kinmen. It's amazing that Taiwan still controls this little island right off of mainland China. Talk about a rock in one's shoe.

@Asianometry 6 лет назад

During one of the Taiwan Strait Crises (I don’t recall which), Chiang Kai-Shek was driven to a point where he threatened Mao with abandoning Kinmen. Ironically, this caused Mao to stop shelling the island. The intention however was clear - the ROC claim to the islands validates a belief that there should be one China. Giving up the islands means Taiwan governs just its own main island and splits “China” into two. Mao understood this and dialed down the tension.

@Asianometry 6 лет назад

I always appreciate nice comments from well meaning people trying to learn the situation. Keep asking questions and learning!

@FortuneZer0 6 лет назад

The title is missleading. It was the chinese defending against the communist rebels currently occupying the mainland as well as Tibet and parts of Mongolia.

@varimatra2088 5 лет назад

What? Só basicaly China is the government that control 98% of China or the one u say it is.The PRC is the true China ..... sorry for my english but that made no sense

@sovietgunnernapkin 4 года назад

FortuneZero hahahah that’s a way to look at it

@Ginger9802566 6 лет назад

I live in Kinmen 😏

@F15ElectricEagle 4 года назад

Your sorghum liqueur is very good (The Kinmen brand; not the Tunnel 88 brand).

@ProfezorSnayp 6 лет назад

When China lost a war with China.

@teddyhailey3035 5 лет назад

Is that like North and South civil war? Or are they in a state of war like with korea?

@TheFivegoodemperors 5 лет назад

Walter Hailey its like the Korean War. No treaty was signed so it’s still officially going on even though there’s no battles going on.

@jasonleetaiwan 4 года назад

It was a civil war. Both sides are China.

@AnonyMous-xd7xq 3 года назад

When one “China” (Taiwan) is on the right of the history and the other on the wrong side (communist China that killed millions of unborn babies w their one child policy).

@redcar9949 3 года назад

The imperial dynasties: First time?

@yocyoku 4 года назад

Former Japanese officers, including Lieutenant General Nemoto, gave instructions to Taiwan over operations. General Nemoto had an old favor in Chiang Kai-shek, so she smuggled from Japan and participated in this battle. The defense of the islands by underground buns plagued American troops at Peleliu and Iwo Jima.The strategy to destroy the troops that deliberately landed repelled PLA.

@YellowFat 3 года назад

Lieutenant Nemoto's story has long been a secret. I didn't expect Ma Ying-jeou to tell this story. It changed my view of Ma Ying-jeou.

@laukreuzer4242 3 года назад

No Japanese ever participated in the battles ,former Japanese officers only gave some ideas about how the defense should be organized. It was the ROC/Nationalist soldiers fought against Communists face to face and defeated the enemy in the end.

@jasonleetaiwan 6 лет назад

It would be nice if you could refer to the CCP as the CCP and not "China". Since you actually visited Jinmen, you should have noticed that all soldiers buried there through the 1950's were from provinces in mainland China. There were no soldiers from Taiwan serving in Jinmen at that time, so how could the national flag and armed forces be referred to as just Taiwan? They were ROC troops defending what was left of the ROC. That's all it was. Just because the central government was in Taipei, does not mean the ROC ceased to exist.

@milkalade 6 лет назад

Jason Lee Well, just for this instance. My Taiwanese grandfather served as artillery officer in Kinmen (second strait crisis '58)

@dasbubba841 6 лет назад

The ROC didn't cease to exist, but they lost control of the mainland, and thus the legitimacy to call themselves "China". Thus, going by that logic, the ROC lost the title of "China" and became a mere separatist group resisting the "legitimate" government in Beijing. However, the CCP couldn't finish off the ROC and eventually the Americans came to guard them. Thus, we have this odd status quo. Neither can make a move on the other one.

@benthekeeshond545 6 лет назад

DasBubba, I strongly and firmly disagree with you. Mr. Jason Lee has the correct political view of China. The Nationalist Government of China is a political party/entity of China. The CCP, similar to the Nationalist Government, is also a political party of China, not China itself. The Chinese Government forces were defending Kinmen from CCP bandits.

@dasbubba841 6 лет назад

Yes, the Nationalists at the time, were the legal government of China, the whole of China. However, they lost the civil war. They didn't totally lose, since they still survive on Taiwan, but they lost control of the mainland. Thus, the CCP has become the legal government of Mainland China. The ROC lost control through internal war, and thus the CCP has "earned" the right or mandate to rule China. However, they never finished the job. They couldn't conquer Taiwan through war, so they have no right over it. They have no right to prevent Taiwan from become it's own country since the war is over. Taiwan and China are two different countries. Bottom line, the ROC has no right to claim all of China since it lost it through war, and the PRC has no right to claim Taiwan and prevent it from being a country on the international stage since it failed to conquer it.

@ornature5324 6 лет назад

DasBubba you have the right idea. Bingo

@haruzanfuucha 3 года назад

The people from Kinmen I have met seem to hate being called Taiwanese and view Taiwan as a separate entity.

@jakovcu 3 года назад

How do they like to be named?

@haruzanfuucha 3 года назад

@@jakovcu Kinmenese or Chinese.

@h.s3223 6 лет назад

Long live Taiwan! great channel

@shawnv123 3 года назад

@dark9hades 3 года назад

@@shawnv123 uh ho Stalin is alive hahahah

@semco72057 6 лет назад

Defense of Taiwan is one of the main reasons that the United States have kept a fleet in the South China Sea. We committed to defend the nation from China and President Trump is probably going to do something no other modern president would do and that is sell the Taiwanese the aircraft they want to defend their nation.

@pheels 6 лет назад

China recognizes North Korea and South Korea doesn't it ? China considers them two countries

@brianjordan2192 6 лет назад

F K Did you watch the video? Taiwan is a seperate nation. The civil war ended years ago with the nationalist holding Formosa and a few islands on the Chinese coast. They have different names, different flags, different governments, and different friends. Holding on to that "one China" policy is nonsense.

@momololo3223 6 лет назад

The reason US did not help ROC to take back China from PRC because the corruption from ROC is too much for US foreign aid. In the second chinese civil war, ROC officiaks used US foreign aid to buy Mansions instead of buying anything necessary for the war, even when they are actually losing the war.

@momololo3223 6 лет назад

P H Interesting channel you got there.

@Melnek1 6 лет назад

The USA should never do that! The technology of the F-35 cost a lot of money, and the US can not risk unanticipated geopolitical changes allowing mainland China to seize Taiwan, much as it did when NATO seized resources and Soviet technology in eastern Europe almost for free. It is much more compelling for the USA to protect Taiwan with its own F-35s.

@avocedo975 6 лет назад

keep it up, this channel got potential.

@masterimbecile 6 лет назад

The artillery shells used during the battle and the subsequent artillery exchanges are now used to make high-quality kitchen knives and cleavers.

@comradecat3678 6 лет назад

Lol “poke a horseshoe crab or two” lol that’s what I would do!!!

@alexshapiro9841 4 года назад

Someone needs to liberate people from People's Liberation Army.

@focusedmessagemarketing958 6 лет назад

Communists should let it go...

@luckcharlie1 6 лет назад

The commies already let it go, but Chinese people will not, there's a province called Taiwan which is filled with traitors that needs to be purified.

@ohfuck6958 6 лет назад

c0570 cm Traitors? look who's the first traitors since after the ww2 which is influenced by soviets and threw the nationalists away.

@shockwave2291 5 лет назад

The CCP has an inferiority complex over Taiwan. For them, the Civil War never ended and Taiwan is a reminder of that.

@Argentarius11 6 лет назад

Thanks for posting this. Cool History

@user-yi6jz7iv2g 3 года назад

На Тайвань бежало законное правительство Китая.

@avocedo975 6 лет назад

keep it up, thus channel has potential, subs.

@user-ul5nl7rq1s 4 года назад

Those clowns couldn't even take a small island right in their door steps! 😂😂

@Emilechen 3 года назад

they have taken all the Mainland, meanwhile you are kicked to an small Island, and you pretend that they are the Clowns?

@user-ul5nl7rq1s 3 года назад

@@Emilechen exactly they were able to take all the mainland but couldn't finish the job...it's like you pick-up the girl in the club smooth talked her into leaving with you, get her in the room with you alone, but when it comes time to perform you couldn't get hard...if that's not a clown I don't know what it.

@Emilechen 3 года назад

@@user-ul5nl7rq1s there is an agreement between CCP and KMT that CCP would not take back Kimen anymore, because administratively, Kimen belongs to Fujian Province of Republic of China, as long as Kimen stays in ROC, the link between Taiwan and Mainland will not be cut, even if PLA loses a battle, from Taiwan's point if view, PlA still need to be treated as serious and respectable antagonist,

@user-ul5nl7rq1s 3 года назад

@@Emilechen it wasn't Taiwan's point of view it's just fact they lost at the Battle of Guningtou...don't worry they won the war (well sort of the enemy is still there and no peace treaty was ever signed).....I'm really not sure what your point is in the last statement because I don't recall there was ever any agreement that the PRC would not attack or take Kimen...... look let's just cut the BC here there is only one China in the world the PRC Kinmen, Matsu, Penghu and Taiwan are not part of it so Taiwan and those other islands are not part of China so AKA they are independent.....PLA you can attack today go ahead....It's been 40 years I'm still waiting......

@Emilechen 3 года назад

@@user-ul5nl7rq1s 40 years are quit short, many refugee Dynasties in Chinese History last longer than 40 years, for example Southern Chen, Southern Tang, Southern Song and Southern Ming, most of them pretend that the Northern would never attack,

@praggypopsqa4652 6 лет назад

The CCP thinks that anything they can survey ought to be theirs, as if by Divine Right, "the will of Heaven." The US did (Manifest Destiny). England succeeded, then receded. "Musical Nations?"

@samg9888 6 лет назад

I had the opportunity to speak with Mao Lina (Mao's daughter) at a Nixon anniversary in China. Mao and Chiang actually communicated a lot and agreed to keep the island in Taiwan's control in the event Taiwan wanted to join back with China. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but at the time maybe things were different to how they are now.

@iceomistar4302 5 лет назад

Of course you did

@Charlton8622 6 лет назад

You need to why nationalist army lost out? Bcos of Soviet Union involvements in the north east (where Japanese took sometime before WWII), Uncle Sam was also to be blamed that they were indecisive in support the legitimate government of China (ROC)

@primordialleftovers2197 6 лет назад

Great Job Sir!

@willienolegs8928 6 лет назад

Need more videos showing the war

@demonhunter635 6 лет назад

Very good video :)

@argentinalim 6 лет назад

Taiwan won the war and therefore is a sovereign Country. 👍👍

@harrisonqu8359 6 лет назад

Argentina Lim they didn’t win for shit.!

@anthonytan5420 6 лет назад

Just ask those defenders and Chiang Kai shek, see if they agree what you said

@Tiffany-iMongolian. 6 лет назад

The day when China start a war with Taiwan there wont be an island left for Taiwan and no UN, NATO or US will help and that the the truth.

@Tiffany-iMongolian. 6 лет назад

Youre bloody so funny lmfao like if these states will go against the PLA in your bloody dreams Chinese Lin, the only states will get diarrhea is Taiwan and you know it so how was Chinese New Year Ms Chinese Lin?

@Tiffany-iMongolian. 6 лет назад

CCP PRC will never ever collapse that what western country said about China in the late 80's so make me bloody laugh.

@maikejikuai 5 лет назад

Taiwan no.1

@momosinger4190 5 лет назад

THE REPUBLIC OF TAIWAN TAIWAN NOT CHINA TAIWAN IS TAIWAN

@chrisa8799 4 года назад

Whats that dont call it TAIWAN? A free an independent country?

@jasonleetaiwan 6 лет назад

Can you do a video on the Marshal intervention after the battle of Siping in May 1946? It would be good to see the analysis of what may have happened if Marshal did not intervene. Perhaps the Soviets would have gotten involved if the Nationalists would have been allowed to drive the CCP out of Manchuria. I think it's important to point out that the original PLA troops were not well equipped enough to beat the Nationalists, but when about 1 million Nationalists troops defected after elections were held in 1948 and 1947, the PLA became well equipped and strong and became an army of 2.2 million troops. The worst defeat by the PLA was in Siping in 1946 when Sun I-Jen defeated Lin Biao. Of course Zhou Enlai and the CCP deleted this battle from history as it discredited the CCP. The Marshall intervention gave the CCP time to regroup after Siping.

@thesaturdaytechchannelwith553 6 лет назад

I think a better title recognizing the true free government of China being the Republic of China, and such a title being: When Mainland Failed to Conquer China :D

@MegaTang1234 4 года назад

Damn, this battle was like a car crash in slow motion

@milkalade 6 лет назад

Wrong flag for the nationalists. That's the National Revolutionary Army flag.

@Asianometry 6 лет назад

Ah good point. I’ll change the CCP flag to the PLA flag.

@milkalade 6 лет назад

Asianometry Nice. I absolutely wasnt expecting a reply lmao

@user-yf1uo5qw2v 3 года назад

Jinmen Won Republic of China Yeah

@tricolourbearer2435 6 лет назад

Hahah, they won that time!

@trismegistus2881 4 года назад

In mediaS res ;-) You forgot one S

@DaReaperZ 3 года назад

Kinmen? Yinmen? Jinmen? Ginmen? Which one is it!? :(

@pervertt 6 лет назад

Mao would have done well to brush up on a bit of military history before launching his attack on Kinmen. Had he been better versed with the Battle of Red Cliff (fought in 208 AD), he would have appreciated that one cannot turn a peasant army, accustomed to fighting on land, into a marine corp overnight. Like Cao Cao before him, Mao's generals did not know the terrain, they did not know the enemy, and worst of all they did not know themselves. Not too late for the commies to dust off a copy of Sunzi's treatise before chucking their weight around in the South China Sea.

@abovethecrowd9307 6 лет назад

Those KMT cowards were only ever good at fighting their own countrymen.

@amselsmith2518 6 лет назад

China as a whole has an awful track record when it comes to fighting any non-Chinese. But even then I'd say that they did better against the Japanese than against the CCP.

@emperorpalpatine1814 6 лет назад

How many people did the KMT kill The PRC killed more people in a year then then the KMT did in its entirety of its history

@adammurza...Sibrea 6 лет назад

Oh look we have ROCK trolls for at work here lol.

@pandabear153 6 лет назад

Wasn't it called Quemoy?

@thepenisscrollstv6328 4 года назад

Who else Waits For the aaaahahahaa

@isaackaplan4471 6 лет назад

ther were 40'000 troops opsing the pla not 30.000

@Hadeshands 6 лет назад

Taiean number one!!! Free Tibet!!!

@ptliang011 6 лет назад

Commentary was so scatter brained and distracting I stopped half way

@boriszlatanovic6642 6 лет назад

Chiang Kei-Shrek is love,Chiang Kai-Shrek is life.

@FastDuckyGaming 6 лет назад

No war pls, peace

@paulr5982 6 лет назад

Your narrative is choppy, and your diction it's a little bit too close to "hey dude!" But I appreciate this isn't being narrated by robot. Thanks for the history lesson.

@alexcool40 6 лет назад

Free Nagaland from indian occupation

@themaus3847 4 года назад

Nice Nice Nagaland wants to be indian.

@MM-br3gt 4 года назад

@@themaus3847 It was stop crying like a baby . Such a small state like Nagaland cant take care of it self screwed between Myanmar and India It will be another poor country like most African countries like Congo or like South Sudan or Laos or Bhutan .

@MM-br3gt 4 года назад

Stay loyal to Delhi and New Delhi will stay loyal to Naga people . Other wise you will be stripped from your greater autonomy from India you will become the next Tibet and Uighurstan like how the PRC government is doing to both this community's in China Just forcefully making them slaves of the CCP and Beijing

@IJW 3 года назад

ok why are they invading taiwan?

@ArthursHD 3 года назад

Taiwan number one :)

@johnfellower8018 5 лет назад

Xiamen (China, advanced) vs. Kinmen (Taiwan, who cares?)

@Ganolink 6 лет назад

Taiwan numbah one. China numbah 2.

@heavenbright2342 6 лет назад

Kinmen (ROC) vs. Xiamen (PRC), the difference in development and living standards is easy to tell. The folks in Kinmen in 2000s wish they were taken over now when they look at the better life on the mainland, like most Taiwanese millennials with ambition.