Bridget Elrian Slavery was defined diffently - it was more like a 9-5 job. But we get your message. If a man's brother died he was to marry is brothers wife. That's because women could not survive without a husband (socially or literally) so it was the good guy thing to do. Nowadays, that makes you a level 9 creep. Lol
When you go to church, you are to seek to enter the presence of a Holy God. When you keep that in mind, you won't have to guess how to dress. How do you dress for court? How do you dress for a job interview? Don't tell me that you'd walk up in there dressing any old how. There's a standard for everything. This whole conversation was a mess 🙄
Seriously! God is not looking at you for how attractive you look. That's for your husband. But to be modest and mindful because you can cause someone else to stumble. And instead of caring even about the spiritual growth and wellbeing of especially those of the Christian faith, people say that's their problem to justify what they want to do. That's not of Christ, that's of Self. We have to ask God for more of His ways and less of our to truly be pleasing to Him.
My thoughts exactly, sorry but their responses came across fake as if it was for approval of the public rather than their real thoughts on the topic at hand. I still love all of them and the show 4 real though.
I agree that people should have self control. But I also agree that you shouldn't go to church in club clothes half naked and expect it not to distract anyone!
ifunanya24 but even if you dress modestly a man will still find a way to make it seem sexual.....show your shoulders and it becomes a sin.....it’s becoming ridiculous how women are objectified whether there wear a hijab or kaftans or anything that covers their ankles..... they always find a way to blame the woman
@@princesa92785 because jesus said to... according to the gospels the old testament is mainly there to understand our history as people jesus said he was there to save us because the old testament was too hard to go by and he found many issues with the jewish laws which is literally what the old testament is. If we went by the old testament we wouldnt sleep in the same bed as our husbands or cook on our periods, we wouldnt leave our home for 40 days after birth to a son or 80 days after birth of a daughter, we wouldnt eat sea food or any non bled meat, wed only eat kosher foods, we wouldnt have tattoos, wed stone our children for disobeying, women rape could be condemned by death unless married to her rapist, men uncircumsized would be no longer looked at as Gods children, women would have to cover their hair in holy places and neither men or women could were shoes in holy places, women would have to wear blue fringe on their clothes to recieve blessings for their children, we'd have to physically sacrifice an animal every time we sin to ask for forgiveness. That's just a few of many many rules. Needless to say jesus said countless times the greatest commandment is to love to throw out the old laws and accept him as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins.
@@jasminevaliente96 u did your work lol well I do what is the best from me and do the hardest to go through the all Bible is there for a reason God said he didn't come to avoid the Bible. Just Moises law. That no even a point of the Bible shouldn't be change. So is up to each one of us to follow what is right on your heart and believe me if you let him in truly u will know
@@jasminevaliente96 jesus was killed casue no one liked the old tastement. them after they killed jesus the changed they changed it to the New tastement cause the didnt like and hated what jesus was trying to preach from god as he was the messenger from god. Jesus didnt die to save us he died cause the ppl eas againts him and the bible. everything is written in the bible soo.. no the ppl killed him. the bible says a lot of things that the ppl dont whant to fallow like dont drink, have intercourse out of wedlock, dont eat pork and etc... We the ppl changed everything sooo... yeah god bless. Altho i respect how u may feel soo this is me... But the bible is there as all the other 2 books are.
That is true. Most people want to be right with God before they go to Church. Missing the point. I also remember dressing immodest to Church in my late teens. I was dressing like a teen in Southern California. Slowly I began to understand the difference between dressing for a club, party, job interviews, a courthouse and Church. I will not judge a young woman or a woman who is new to Church, because that was me a couple of years ago. How would I have felt if someone said something to me. To be honest I was a bit gothic when I started going. If it was not for the kind older teens at the time who invited me to the youth group or all the retreats for teens my life would have been very different today. What I really liked about them was the fact that they were all so accepting and welcoming. To my surprise, I actually started attending the youth group and certain events at Church. I did start changing, but it was a very long process. Even now, I know I am not perfect and need God's mercy.
lilian makori absolutely right, it is not for no one to judge what somebody is wearing at church because number one it is not for them to judge and number to what if that person is really going through something and it's just coming out of the club for example and as they're driving home they said the church and felt like maybe they need to go here a word of God or sometimes God speaks to your spirit and maybe God spoke to that person's spirit to come into the church to hear a message for another example, no one should be judging anyone on anything they should just concentrate on their own lives, spirit and hearing the word of God
"jesus" is the problem since its those people that do the judging. what they need is buddha, krishna, oshun or aphrodite. they definitely need thoth and athena cause knowledge fixes stupidity
I am a Christian myself, and it hurts my heart how judgmental we can be towards other people. We're supposed to teach the word, not force it down people's throats 💯
swaggpro17 you can't serve two masters. God is a jealous God; he wants your whole heart. Saying it from a place of love. You know we're a family/community over here in the comment section :) lol
The priest at my church (Catholic) always said be respectful of the place you are going, you are entering a holy place. Dress like you are going to a holy place, it's common sense that you aren't dress like you are going to a club, because you are not, you are going to church. You clearly know when people are going to church just to get a man...who wears skirts, dresses, booty shorts, and shirts that are basically showing everything, c'mon now. People just need to be mindful of where they are going and respectful, that's all. A little modesty for 1-3 hours isn't the end of the world people!
Knez Fikol Yes. The church is the house of God, at least that is what I was thaught. I don't know how other christian organizations work, I can only speak on behalf of my experience and knowledge from catholic church.
Would you go to a funeral in bootie shorts & a crop top? It's not just about women, men too. Would you wear basketball shorts & a wife beater to a wedding? *It you can dress up nicely for important events, why can't you do the same for God?*
Theres a difference between those scenarios though, you have to be invited to a wedding and a funeral and you go there for others, with going to a regular public sunday service at a church you go there for yourself and for your own personal relationship with god, god doesnt care how people dress.
Church is one place I don't want to dress up for at all (after dressing up all week for work). I just want to feel free, no confinement, no makeup, no heels. Just plain me and the thing is I know I am judged when I go like that. Let people come as they are and hopefully when they understand God's will, this dressing will reflect thst6
OfficialMichelle- marie your supposed to be happy and excited to go to church. Getting cleaned, doing your hair, putting on a nice dress (skirt, dressy shirt, etc), and heading to church is ideal for me. Then after worshipping throw some sweats on and have a nice big breakfast!
But you also shouldn't dress modestly just for attending church but dress modestly all time because we should be church and temple of Holy Sprit therefore representatives of God with our bodies. Our outwards should reflects our inside. So as it's written in Timothy we shouldn't bring glory to our bodies(and ourselves) with jewelry and expensive clothes but we should bring glory to God and attention to Him. We should not be worldly but set apart from it, we should shine God's light and standards not worldly ones
This is my first time commenting and I'm doing so cuz of what Jeannie said about not feeling responsible for another person's misbehaviour. Pls read Gal 6:1-2 and Luke 17:1-3. The beginning of your submission is in Rom 14 but if you read further you will learn that if you cause others to sin in your pursuit of God, then that's not love. Like it or not the Christian walk is not a selfish one, u need to be considerate of others especially if your actions can cause them to lose faith, because God doesn't take it lightly. It will be good to stay off religious and spiritual issues if submissions will be based on personal feelings and not the bible because it doesn't work like that. Love from Ghana ❤❤❤
Preach, Sister Esther! And Jesus said If a married man or married woman looks at another person and thinks sexually about the person that they've committed adultery in their heart, therefore, we should keep this in mind so that we don't tempt our brother or sister to sin against the Lord.
I feel like we should let people dress as they want and let the HOLY SPIRIT convict them. We sometimes like to play the part of the holy spirit. As they start to grow spiritually they will begin to change inside and out.
You know what? I like this answer. As I am reading all these comments and seeing different points of view, I feel a little conflicted inside. Not really knowing how to say what I think is best to do in this situation but feeling deep in my heart what is truly right. I get that being judgmental can be too much and a turn off but I also feel like one should just carry oneself with respect and dress with decency. But then I read your comment and I just have to say, Amen to that! Because I believe that will really solve everything. The Holy Spirit. We should just show them love and treat them equally altho we don't agree with what they are doing. Invite them to church gatherings, life groups, outings, ect. And just let the Holy Spirit change them from the inside out. Besides, that is really how Christianity works. I would just state my 2 cents to the person in a kind and respectful way and then pray that God will show them the truth. But I will not judge them, instead accept them for who th ey are. Because I like to believe they are not how they dress. It is the person inside that I am showing love to. If you get my drift.
N P here's the thing you can go to church your whole life like I have and still "know" something differently than what someone who's been going their whole life as well "knows". The Bible says to dress modestly but modest in biblical times has drastically changed to what modest means today. A lot of these Pastor wives would have been stoned in biblical times. My definition of modest is totally different than what my 73 year old grandmother is definition of modest is if you catch my drift. I don't bat an eye at any sisters going to church and their knees are showing and their shoulders are out however I do know people that go to church that would have a huge issue if your dress doesn't cover your knees and your sleeves don't go past your shoulders. Until God comes down here and tells me exactly how he wants me to dress and how much skin is too much to show then I'm going to wear whatever makes me feel comfortable and presentable to God. Sorry not sorry as long as my titties aren't showing and my behind isn't out I'm going to wear what I want
Jasmine Valiente the Bible is a book that is alive, every time you read it it changes... truth doesn’t become outdated and modesty means like cover your shoulders, cleavage and don’t wear like super short dresses or shorts. (Not to limit style but) U shouldn’t be at church to look good anyway you’re there to be part of a congregation and get closer to God (that’s what they are saying) also you can’t hear God speak if you aren’t prepared to listen whole heartedly either
I like to dress modestly and personally don’t like to show too much skin but I could careless what anyone else wears if you want to show skin then do as you please all I want is for designers to make cuter modest clothing! Haha
Unfortunately we live in a world where people hate being corrected and people feel they have 'a right to wear what they want' but when it comes to the Bible and true Christianity, God's Word is what counts...if Jesus was a woman He would never wear skimpy outfits. Christianity , lifestyle and the way we conduct ourselves shouldnt just be in church, it should be everywhere.As Christians we need to conduct ourselves according to God EVERYWHERE, not just in church....including dress code! Thats why we shouldnt conform to the standards of this world!
Amen. You shouldn't dress modestly just for attending church but dress modestly all time because we should be church and temple of Holy Sprit therefore representatives of God with our bodies. Our outwards should reflects our inside. So as it's written in Timothy we shouldn't bring glory to our bodies(and ourselves) with jewelry and expensive clothes but we should bring glory to God and attention to Him. We should not be worldly but set apart from it, we should shine God's light and standards not worldly ones
Please stop misinterpreting scriptures. “Come as you are” speak from the spiritual (broken, hurt, sad, sinful) perspective not from a physical (the way you dress) perspective!
This whole conversation with these ladies was a mess! None of you understand the Bible🤦🏽♀️ Loni was correct reading that Bible verse bc dressing modesty is covering up and not flaunting your body.
But you also shouldn't dress modestly just for attending church but dress modestly all time because we should be church and temple of Holy Sprit therefore representatives of God with our bodies. Our outwards should reflects our inside. So as it's written in Timothy we shouldn't bring glory to our bodies(and ourselves) with jewelry and expensive clothes but we should bring glory to God and attention to Him. We should not be worldly but set apart from it, we should shine God's light and standards not worldly ones
It was a mess....another thing that they don't understand is just because they accepted him doesn't mean your saved..u have to live by the word in order to be saved
I agree, this was a mess. They were all kind of bouncing off of each other. Tamera said, when you know better, you do better. One of the best ways to know better is to learn or be taught. Jeannie, was pulled aside by a sister in the church, and it sounds like she was trying to teach her. Instead of being defensive, she should have taken that as an opportunity to read the Bible for herself, to get to know God's Word, not her own....which would have taken her to the scripture that Loni read. I think we often confuse holding someone accountable, with judging them. We shouldn't judge, but we can hold each other accountable. I use to have a friend that would knowingly and willingly do questionable things. When confronted the 1st thing she would say is, 'Don't Judge Me'...but what she was really saying is, 'Don't Hold Me Accountable'.
Thats so retarded churchs shouldnt and dont even have dress codes and they cant shun anyone from attending especially because churchs dont pay federal taxes so they dont have that right, also god never says to dress modestly, let people dress how they want, in church you arent "supposed" to dress any type of way other than what you feel comfortable in. Focus on your own relationship with god not about what others are doing
Now this convo was just all over the place but just wanna say 1 thing, if as a Christian you believe in the whole Bible why would you completely disregard the entire Old Testament 🤔. I zoned out after that I can't with the half stepping!
RayBay ! Because Jesus died on the cross and did away with they old ways of living....like killing sheep as a sacrifice in order to atone your sins(since he died you only have to pray) or like eating pork it was bad and forbidden in the Old Testament but now you pray over your food or you go about your day..... or like commandments you don’t do away with them you let them be a guide to try to do better, but you’re not held by those standards anymore...he died on the cross for those sins , now there’s a new way to wash those sins away without being stoned to death because you were bad you just simply pray and do better.
All over the place because they skimmed over the 1st of a million layers. I would've liked to hear from Tamera more about Jeannie was saying. I disagreed with Jeannie about not being responsible for others and their temptations - We are called to help each other out. Adrienne was all over the place, she needed to chill.
corey Wilson what I've learned from the Old Testament is gods character. I've learned about his long suffering knees,mercy, and kindness love for his people. You can look at the actions of the people in the Old Testament and learn what not to do. (King David for example) it helps you to understand how holy god is and how as holy beings we should be behaving. The stoning done shows just how much god hates sin. And it's easy to forget that sin used to be punishable by death so we shouldn't take it lightly
You said it right! No one wants to be accountable to anyone. People HATE being told, admonished, corrected! Ugggh they are the ones that are in need of a saviour
That Thing You See At The Corner Of Your Eye God values the human body that's why he wouldn't us now(you know imperfect humans unlike them who were perfect) to dress in a unmodest way cause the way we dress reflects him
The thing is that the more you know the more responsible you are. His word says that if you make someone else stumble IS gonna count on you! Of course, the blame won't be taken away from that person. But the Bible does says that you have to be modest, doesn't means you have to cover everything up, but you know there's a place and a time for everything.
Gabriela Martinez I was thinking the same thing. If more people read the actual word then they wouldn't be going off on their own emotional twist of the truth. Unfortunately to be a Christian is a responsibility we take on, like being a brother or a mother or a sister to someone. We are our brothers and sisters keepers. Christians should live a life to exalt Jesus and no one else. To the point that when people try to say something negative to say about you they can't because it has no merit. Obviously, people talk. They talked about Jesus, they will talk about you, maybe even lie but if you live a righteous life (or try at least) it will show. I don't think anyone should judge someone else because salvation is an individual thing but in certain situations, (Not all) we can be the cause for someone else faltering even if it's with a thought because everyone is human. That's like saying a big sister should be able to act how she wants even if she's clearly and example her little sister will follow. Be the change you want to see in the world, if we don't see ourselves as leaders, as an act to follow we won't experience no change. But they all make really great points. I grew up in church and I think we all have things to learn. That little old lady was probably born and raised believing that, she meant it for good and sometimes the younger generation doesn't see the good intentions of the heart because clearly not everyone has good intentions. But that little old lady has a point too. I think everything just has a balance. There's so many personalities and beliefs and trains of thoughts, no one will ever agree on one thing but we should always strive to be an example while still being true to who God wants us to be, follow his great example.
Its not rocket science to know that when you visit the LORDS house you go dressed in a respectful manner. I dont care why youre there but if youre going to see the lord i expect you to go dressed in a modest way. Youre not going to the club youre going to see the lord. Its not about judgement but about RESPECT
Iluvpinkify26 question im catching up on real.. uhm.. why do Christians think it’s acceptable to go the club all skimpy. Where is that allowed in the bible? I seen so many comments about “dress modesty in the church” what about everhwhere else? Is god only at church and not watching you always?
But you also shouldn't dress modestly just for attending church but dress modestly all time because we should be church and temple of Holy Sprit therefore representatives of God with our bodies. Our outwards should reflects our inside. So as it's written in Timothy we shouldn't bring glory to our bodies(and ourselves) with jewelry and expensive clothes but we should bring glory to God and attention to Him. We should not be worldly but set apart from it, we should shine God's light and standards not worldly ones
YES EXACTLY! I personally get so tired of people trying to justify clearly wrong behaviour. We may deceive ourselves but we are certainly not deceiving God.
Kris Ferguson my thoughts exactly! The word (truth) is not up for opinion. Especially in such a public forum, millions have access to this show. Who knows who the enemy will try to cause to stumble because of the personal opinions discussed here?. Its more serious than many wd like to believe. Gotta be careful when you have a big platform like this. The enemy is clever. Sigh..
It's really funny when anonymous behind people on youtube, with no profile picture try to tell another stranger that THEIR watching online what their relationship with God is lol.
The bible doesn't actually say come as you are and people often say it ( like I used to) 🙈! I learnt this recently so make sure you do read your bible directly! 🤗
I think it might be an extrapolation from Matthew 19:14 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” (NIV)
Preach it ZGwoo888, preach it! I'm tired of people saying popular quotes are from the Bible. Quotes like "Heaven helps those who hate themselves", "cleanliness is next to godliness..." People need to read the Bible.
Yeah people have twisted that saying, back in the day it was come as you are but people knew that didn't mean stay as you are. "Don't conform to the standards of this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." (Romans 12:2) Sadly, as evidenced in this chat, there are many people who think they are or are claiming to be Christians but have not been transformed. It is God's truth, the Word of God that will renew your mind, but if you do not know,are not filled with The Word(WHICH IS OT and NT), then your mind will not be renewed and you will not be transformed and simply end up with chats like these (not the first time) trying to justify wrong. You just end up living a lie that you live so well that it eventually becomes truth to you. The Bible calls that deception, one of Satan's main weapons to keep people away from God's truth. Which is why i've noticed over the seasons that this "pre-Jesus jeannie" jeannie always refers to doesn't seem much different from current Jeannie. Being a Christian shouldn't be a pick and mix, it's not a coat you hang up and pick up when you're ready to wear it. There has to be a total change, not just of the heart (which everyone likes to refer to) but your mind by the Word of God. When that happens you won't find yourself trying to justify sin and finding a way to incorporate it into your new life as a Christian. "My people perish from lack of knowledge" (Hosea 4:6). Read the Bible for yourself as ppl have said, you won't regret it😊
I love how they're all making excuses for themselves, especially Tamera and Adrienne who preach Christianity all the time. I personally don't care how anyone dresses, but the fact is that Christianity says to dress modestly and cover up. You can't pick and choose when you want to act like a Christian. You can dress how you want, but don't make excuses like 'I dress how I want for God', that's such a stupid excuse. If you were dressing for God you would cover up, because that's what the Bible says to do! Such hypocrites.
Elle I am a muslim and I come from the country where 95% of our women don't wear hijabs, but when we are at the mosque or at the cemetery (though it's not a must at the cemetery) all our women are covering their hair and wear clothes that cover their bodies, long sleeves and pants. Men also should be dressed decently, their knees must be covered, pretty much the same as women minus the hair covering part. And to me it's only natural to be decent in God's house. Also, when you visit Orthodox monasteries you have to cover your hair and body too. Look at the nuns, imagine them saying I dress how I want for God. Kinda hypocritical of Jeannie.
It is okay to judge as long as you are judging righteously. According to John 7:24, " Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly". Be careful, when you judge, measure by the same rod you would want someone to judge you. In other words, if you don't want others to judge you harshly, don't you judge harshly. ( Matt 7:2 ) People always stop at verse 1 of matt chapter 7 , but never continue read the remaining verses. Whoever has ears, let them hear. God Bless
Amen, and that's just one of many verses on judging. We as Christiand being lead by the Holy Spirit have a right to bring righteous judgment out of love if we see a brother or sister in Christ living wrong ,in Hope's they repent realize their faults and choose to change for better. We are to lead by example and very much have the right to judge righteously. Many are quick to speak against judging without understanding scripture . On the other hand we have NO rights to judge those outside of the body of Christ. And today there are many who claim to be of Jesus who really are just living in a form of religion and dont have a relationship with the Lord. They do all the outward things yet inward their hearts are far from him, they follow the doctrine and tradition of man instead of Jesus.
Read the Bible, pray for understanding and revelation. I say this because there is a BIG difference between our opinions and the FACTS. We can't expect to live any old flimsy lifestyle and get elaborate blessings. Let do our best to honor God in every way we know how.
I have noticed that Christianity has become a title for many! If you are genuinely in love with Jesus you will not will not walk around half naked. I understand that people do things because they don't know better but at some point they ought to grow. As appealing as what Jeanie said might sound, it not biblical. If u have the love of God inside of you, it will concern you about how your actions affect others . " Don't judge " has been our excuse from hearing the truth because we feel comfortable in our errors. But God's standard can't change no matter how we try. Jesus loves us but he is no respecter of persons. We can only adjust our lives to suit his not the other way round. if you love God, it will reflect in everything including how we dress.
genny joe You're right! To add to that, isn't it interesting how folks are ready to dress "appropriately" for other places/functions/activities like jobs, sports, clubs, etc but not for God or church?
Love you ladies, but respectfully disagree with some of your thoughts. First, I think that how you dress should be a reflection of your relationship with God, no matter where you are, whether in church or not in church. I don't think you should be dressing one way in church and another way (like more sensual or showing off too much skin) outside of church. (I get there's a time and place for dressing different ways, but in general I don't think there should be a double standard with how one dresses.) And this goes with the verse Loni read. I agree with Tamera we should never judge when someone else's journey or how they come dressed to church, however there does come a time if someone is a seasoned Christian and continues to not dress appropriately that there should be some kind of correction (respectfully and privately) & teaching on what's appropriate. I see what Jeannie is saying, BUT at the same time, I think we do have to think about not making someone else stumble by not showing excessively like cleavage or wearing really short stuff. Of course, some people will stumble no matter what you're wearing because people lust, but I do think dressing modestly is more pleasing to God based on my understanding of Scriptures. My thought is, if it's what you consider to be the intimate part of your body, then no one has to be seeing all that. You can be classy and beautiful.
I think if you are going to any establishment, you should dress according to how you want to be perceived. Of course you can wear your butt cheeks out on vacay or at the beach but showing your nipples or butt cheeks at church or to school is a NO. If you don't have appropriate clothes in your wardrobe then re-evaluate your life.
it's these older women getting jelous of these young beautiful women and don't trust their men. on another note I use to take some changing clothes to church when I knew I was going to be hot and just dress in them after church. church lasts only but 2 hours not including second service and these women that dress provocative can't wait to get out of church to change into what they wanna wear? I mean either these type of women is there to test the married men or dress for meeting a man. I need to stop trying to look good and try receiving the message. I am confessing.
Ahh I love this so much! As a Muslim woman I can relate on so many levels. Especially to what Jeanie said. There's a huge misconception that we should cover for men.. uh no! They're responsible for their damn selves. And yes people definitely need to stop being so judgemental. The person you make a derogatory comment to might have been so close to reconnecting with their faith but you've probably just scared them off for life! Who cares what you're wearing..fix your soul first and foremost and the rest will follow ✌🏽
(THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION) I also come from a muslim family and for example if a man comes to visit the house my mom is like " oh you cant dress like that a man is comming over " I would understand is shes said someone is coming over so I need to dress up but saying 'a man' just implies that men dont really know how to conrol themselves as well as respecting women.
Lord. Have. Mercy. She didn't mean she never has to go back. She meant that a large part of the church's function is to reach the un-churched. When she says "we good", she means she's been inside and gotten saved, so now she can move forward in the refining process of her life. Does that make sense?
I seriously would love to have a conversation with Jeannie, she always has the best stories, advice and all around humor. Such a woman of virtue! Love her
Jeannie is right . You should never be responsible for another person lack of self control. I believe when we police what a girl wears we open avenues for the issue of victim blaming and a perpetuation of the rape culture .
And the example she brought up with her and the woman at church is a prime example of how people say, "Well, boys will be boys" when a woman gets sexually assaulted.
K Yan You said it yourself - it could be anything. If someone with a hat fetish shows up to church, is it then other people's responsibility to take their hats off? No, it's not. As long as you are not intentionally trying to make people stumble, then you are not responsible for other people's self control.
Loni did the right thing what does the WORD say? She DID NOT say the right thing though lol... We can easily get caught up in what we think however, are you doing as scripture illustrates!?!. Furthermore Jeannie, yes to some degree we have to humble ourselves in worship. It ain't about us, if our fellow bros&sis are struggling we can adjust &think with a humble mind. Acts 20:28.
Jeanie comment was like knowingly having an affair with a married man & saying, "It's not my fault that he cheated on his wife. I'm not married. He needs to have more self control." 😒 No, it's both participating party's fault.
Brittany Jacqueline It's a thing where we have to learn to humble ourselves. Being fly is good, just understanding that distractions are real because we are in the flesh is important. Lol many won't see where we're coming from. But I always say come as you are; but the holy ghost won't let you stay as you've been.
I don't think thats what she meant. I think she meant she shouldn't have to dress/act a certain way just because others might be influenced. Humans are in control of their own actions. Just because someone else doesn't have self control, I shouldn't have to sacrifice my way of life for their benefits. I do agree with you in you example, however I think it falls under a different category.
Good lord. Does everything have to be spelled out for people?! What she meant is that a large part of an actual church building, is to reach the un-churched. By saying "we good", she meant that she's already been in the building and gotten saved (the first step), now she can move onto refining her life to reflect God's will. She DID NOT mean that she never has to go to church again or do any more work on herself. C'mon now.
FLdancer00 I don’t believe that’s what she meant, she thinks she’s saved because of a prayer or she wouldn’t have been livingthe way she does. Just because she’s married to a famous worship leader doesn’t mean her salvation is secure..
I really appreciate that The Real decided to speak on this because it is a very important topic. When you're a sinner, you don't know better, but as you come to know the Lord, you do change. It's not like a forced change, the Holy Spirit causes you to willingly want to change. Come as you are is what so many people use as a reason for how they come to church and it's not right. There's protocol wherever you go. If you're going to meet the president, you dress the part out of respect. It's the same thing with church. So many people make it a game, when it's not that at all. I'm not judging anyone who goes to church because just like Tam said, I'm glad they're there. But as you grow spiritually, you will want to change your actions. That goes for everything in life. I disagree with Jeannie because as Christian you are responsible for causing another to stumble. It says in the Bible that whoever causes one of the children to stumble, the penalty falls on you. I can tell Tam had something to say about that but kept her mouth shut. The leisurely life Christians are twisting the word to fit their sinful nature and it isn't right. That's why so many non believers take Christians as a joke because if you say you're a Christian and you're literally living the life of a true sinner, what's the point of them going to church since it's the same thing. Please, dress modestly. It won't kill you, trust me. Stay blessed.
Look! When you go to church! You're going to a holy place. A place where we gather to praise and glorify a HOLY God! Please stop bending and stretching this moral values we've been instilled with! I HATE when they use a Bible verses they BARELY know just to JUSTIFY their worldly desires!
Thank you. It's not just this video, its everytime Christianity comes up. Now everybody is holy and the old testament should ignored because it comes for everything they live for.
When a woman "knows" showing off her goodies will entice a man and she does it anyways that's what it means about causing another to stumble. Yes the man is responsible for his own lustful heart but the woman's intent wasn't innocent either.
Preach J ! I believe the “come as you are” is just thrown around. I feel like that was meant as in your placement in life. No matter what you’re going through ... come as you are. NOT come even tho you have last nights outfit on and spell like alcohol. If you can get all dressed up for the club then be BEST DRESSED for Jesus. Put on your best for him. I think he deserves that!
Well, all I can say is I left religion for various reasons and what Jeannie said is among them. I always felt that women were constantly being held responsible for men's behavior.
But you wouldn't dress a certain way to work. There are dress at work/school so how is it any different at church? Church is GOds holy place. You don't want to be worshipping and someone is staring at your rear. . So dress modestly for 1-2 hours. The Bible says that we must give up our lives to gain true,eternal life. Jesus sacrificed his life for us, the least we could do is glorify him by the way we dress
Okay see this is untrue. That simply means the churches/religions you've seen and/or experienced just weren't working according to scripture. I'm christian, right... So in my church no one holds higher rank to the other. I'm 18 and if spirit is in me to lead the service, I do. Same applies in terms of gender roles. No woman carries the burden of a man's faith, but as bretheren in The church we are told by scripture to be wary of causing one another to stumble. This applies to the way we dress and the words we teach and preach. The way she might have been dressed that day might mislead a young girl in the church to think it's appropriate when in actual fact it isn't. It's not always about a man.
This just broke my heart. This is great representation of American Christianity. When you long to please yourself and what makes you feel good rather than honoring God. Loni gave scripture (which there is more to back it up) and they all still pushed it aside. Jeani God calls us to be the light of the world and he talks about us making other stumble and what he says is not good! Oh of people would read God’s word and submit to it rather than make it their own and work for them.
"It's not our job to judge. We don't know where they are in their journey." I agree. Extend kindness and love because you don't know. You may that support they needed, that light they needed shed, that model of God's love.
Personally I go by the Holy Spirit.. if the Holy Spirit dwells in you and you start to feel convicted about what you're wearing then maybe it's a sign you should dress more modestly.. 🤷🏾♀️
The proposed question was when does showing skin become a sin.. if we're going from the bibllleeee....lol; As Loni said; 1 Tim 2:9 - modesty should be the goal. However modesty can be different depending on where you go. Still, it shouldn't be how farrrrr can we go till we call it sinful. The 'come just as you are' is not in the bible, but even if it were; we don't change ppl. GOD does that ( Phill 2:13).. Therefore we don't need to chastise anyone but instead do as 2 Tim 2: 24-25 says. And hopefully through GOD'S conviction they will see what is right. And to Jeanies statement, Romans 14 basically covers that one .. "let no man put a stumbling block before the other" whether or not you BELIEVE it's a 'stumbling block'. The whole bible is there for instruction so why not just use that. 🙃 study to show thyselves approved... Rightly dividing the word of truth.
@FLdancer00: I think I know the specific verse you have in mind. I'll offer a couple of passages that reflect the concept you're alluding to: 1.) When sin is present (thus judgment happening in the church as Commanded by Jesus): • _Matthew __18:15__-17 (NIV)_ 15 _“If your brother or sister[a]_ _sins,[b]_ _go and point out their fault,_ _just between the two of you._ _If they listen to you,_ _you have won them over._ 16 _But if they will not listen,_ _take one or two others along,_ _so that_ _‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c]_ 17 _If they still refuse to listen,_ _tell it to the church;_ _and if they refuse to listen even to the church,_ _treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector._ Footnotes: a. Matthew 18:15 The Greek word for _brother or sister (adelphos)_ refers here to a fellow disciple, whether man or woman; also in verses 21 and 35. b. Matthew 18:15 Some manuscripts _sins against you_ c. Matthew 18:16 Deut. 19:15 2.) When sin is not present, just sharing further insight: • _Acts __18:25__-26 (NIV)_ 25 _He had been instructed in the way of the Lord,_ _and he spoke with great fervor[a]_ _and taught about Jesus accurately,_ _though he knew only the baptism of John._ 26 _He began to speak boldly in the synagogue._ _When Priscilla and Aquila heard him,_ _they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately._ Footnotes: a. Acts 18:25 Or _with fervor in the Spirit_ That said, I would add that when the person is a prominent figure in the body, they should be rebuked publicly if they're speaking error so that their followers can take heed / their followers be alerted to the error: • _1 Timothy __5:20__ (NIV)_ 20 _But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone,_ _so that the others may take warning._ • _Galatians __2:11__-14 (NIV)_ 11 _When Cephas came to Antioch,_ _I opposed him to his face,_ _because he stood condemned._ 12 _For before certain men came from James,_ _he used to eat with the Gentiles._ _But when they arrived,_ _he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group._ 13 _The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy,_ _so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray._ 14 _When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel,_ _I said to Cephas in front of them all,_ _“You are a Jew,_ _yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew._ _How is it,_ _then,_ _that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?_ note: the Jewish custom was something they purely self-imposed upon themselves, not anything commanded in the Law of Moses (e.g. not eating at the same table as a gentile-even if they believed in YHWH. You won't find that prohibition in the Law of Moses/the Law of our Heavenly Father.) Hence the public correction before others: these (elders and Cephas [a.k.a. Simon Peter one of the 12] are prominent people in the body of Christ who have followers that need protecting from the error they fell into. If corrected in private, then, in his pride, he may not correct himself and everyone will continue thinking he's right. He needs to be publicly shamed/rebuked/chastised. • _James 3:1 (NIV)_ 3 _Not many of you should become teachers,_ _my fellow believers,_ _because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly._ In light of all this: there is a time and place for the Christian to judge-both privately and publicly, "common folk" individuals in the body as well as prominent leaders/teachers in it. Judging is good when done out of love/care, done right, lawfully, fairly, to defeat error, keep us all in the truth (we literally can't cast people into the lake of fire; so we don't have to worry about doing a kind of judging that only God can do; and we may not know every, single hidden motive of the heart, only Christ / God can). • _1 Corinthians 4:5 (NIV)_ 5 _Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time;_ _wait until the Lord comes._ _He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart._ _At that time each will receive their praise from God._ But we can do the other flavors of judging within our jurisdiction / the areas God allows. Most definitely we should be calling all people everywhere to repent from sin. • _Acts __26:20__ (NIV)_ 20 _First to those in Damascus,_ _then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea,_ _and then to the Gentiles,_ _I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds._ • _Acts __17:30__ (NIV)_ 30 _In the past God overlooked such ignorance,_ _but now he commands all people everywhere to repent._ And, yes, it is the Holy Spirit of God who leads people to change if they accept the conviction He gives them in their inner-being, through the circumstances He orchestrates through creation (and through us all, sending us to each other with a message on our mouths that the other needs to hear, an aspect that we weren't aware of at all or that we overlooked/forgot to include in our reasoning). May we all continue to grow in the full knowledge of Christ / the Word of God.
I just feel like certain topics should not be discussed, especially when you don't have a revelation from God! This conversation was all just human understanding and that is v dangerous!!
Very true! Especially the part where Jeanie said she shouldnt have to be responsible for other people's behaviour. Yes thats a politically correct statement but its not kingdom based. Apostle Paul clearly told the us to check what we do that it doesnt offend someone who is new in faith.
LOL I have to laugh because Loni tries to bring humor to it but it's sad some of the sideways stuff "church people" do. Everybody mind is not on Christ at church. I have seen it
1 Timothy 2:9 “Likewise, the women should adorn themselves in appropriate dress, with modesty and soundness of mind, not with styles of hair braiding and gold or pearls or very expensive clothing, 10 but in the way that is proper for women professing devotion to God, namely, through good works.” This scripture is saying that we shouldn’t be wearing provocative things and items that attract so much attention and can make others stumble and be distracted. Modesty is key. You have to decide for yourself “is what I’m wearing appropriate? Is what I’m wearing offensive to others?” Most importantly... “is what I’m wearing going to make God happy with me?” Totally understand Tamera and being happy that they are there in the first place.. BUT when they are very aware of this scripture and that you should dress in modesty and they choose to ignore it? Then that isn’t being loyal to our God and just doing whatever YOU want and not what he wants... Also.. if you come to know Jesus and God it does not necessarily mean you are saved. You need to make sure you are serving God with your whole heart, mind and soul.. and do what he commands of us and not picking and choosing what you want and don’t want to do in the Bible.
I have to agree with Tamar when she once said "It's about the delivery", we all go to church to learn but some people can be harsh in delivering their message and end up hurting the next person. If you have someone whose not dressed well at church pray for them. God will change them (and mind your own business 1 Thessalonians 4:11) it's start from the heart even the little things.
xilombe gwineth mathye and how many go in the church homosexual and come out repented (changed)????? Chistanity is a lawless religion set up by Romans Catholicism meant decieve the whole earth
I totally agree with Jeannie and Tamera! Getting up and going to church is a big step, sometimes you’re tired and can make up any excuses. So by just going is a huge step
Every major religion speaks of men to be covered too. Sorry but, thanks to women’s upbringing, men are not taught this from an early age. Society only panics about women’s bodies and use it to both buy, sell and advertise. I know men of devotion to God and they cover very well but, I know that they aren’t very common. But they exist. They are men who reflect and ponder on God’s words.
Your wrong. A women’s body is what intrigues people. Yes you’ll drool over a mans 6 pack but you’ll get it over it. Men are hungry all the time and wanna get in them panties. God is trying to protect women by telling them to cover up so these men don’t cause harm.
1 Corinthians 8:9 ESV But take care that this right of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. This verse describes why the lady in Jeannie's story told her to cover up. It's because if you are intentionally trying to use your "Christianity" in the wrong way you can cause the weak (non-Christians or new Christians) to stumble
Wow they couldn't have made more of a mess of this conversation! and Jeannie you are accountable for misleading others , regardless of intent. Dressing a certain way does not warrant someone putting their hands on you, but it will garner some type of attention and you have to be aware of that.
Over the years people have taken advantage of the phrase "come as you are". They've even lost the true meaning behind it. The phrase "come as you are" is in reference to your spirit, your character & your mind not your cloths. Don't come to church pretending to be someone your not. If you walk into that church as a selfish & inconsiderate person you might walk out with a changed heart or if not changed than questioning your own behavior.
This was a disappointing discussion, the way Loni talked about the Old Testament was sad and so incorrect. Jennie, you are correct in saying that you should not be held responsible for anyone's action, but as Christians, we should help each other lead a holier life.Except for Tamara, I don't agree with what any of them said. When we know better, we should do better.
African Womanist this is so true. This is where we get ourselves in trouble and suppress the truth of God with unrighteousness Rom.1:18. When we start talking about what we think and what we believe apart from what God has said.1 Cor.8:9 is the scripture that you are referring to. And just to correct what Lonnie said we are in no way to throw out the Old Testament. We do not need the Old Testament to be righteous because Jesus is now our righteousness but we still need the Old Testament for moral conduct.
Love this covo...period.. Nobody wants to discuss modesty or God so I'm glad they did... Nobody is perfect regardless of how each lady viewed this subject.. I'm just happy it was discussed...
Ny Shawn you obvoiously dont know the word because the only person quoted the word was Loni all the rest of them was speeking from emtional mimicked parakeeted Christinaity lies......1 Peter 4:11 [11]If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles (word) of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Hello Jeannie Mai, I love the way she breaks things now so that people will understand, I understand where she's coming from but like Tamera I don't judge people on what they wear to church I'm just glad that they came
I am a pastor’s kid and one thing I thank my parents is that they never forced me to dress a certain way to church. I dress however I feel comfortable, sometimes I go all extravagant and sometimes when I don’t feel so good I go more casual, I honestly think you go to church with whatever you feel comfortable with, always keeping in mind that your going to a church, a holy place and not a club. I always say let the Holy Spirit guide you, if you don’t feel comfortable with what you’re wearing, if you deep down feel like it’s not the right thing to wear to church, then it’s probably not the right thing to wear to church.
What in the world?!!?! “If you’re Christian you throw out the Old Testament”?! Oh my goodness this just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. I’m going to pray for these girls that they find the true meaning of God and truth #proudcatholic
One thing I will say is that GOD IS GOOD and HE is merciful and JUST. As a disciple of JESUS CHRIST, what I "feel" or what I "think" goes out the window. I have to take EVERYTHING to GOD'S WORD. I'm not GOD so I'm not going to say what other people should do or why "it's not my responsibility to watch out for others who will stumble" Please spend time with The Lord and ask the HOLY SPIRIT to guide you! GOD's ways are higher than our ways, GOD'S thoughts are higher than our thoughts. PRAISE YOU LORD, YOU ARE WORTHY, YOU ARE HOLY. MAY YOUR WILL BE DONE!! HE IS GOOD!! REAL GOOD. I GOT A TESTIMONY OF WHAT HE'S DONE AND HE TOOK THE SHACKLES OFF MY FEET, FOR REAL! We have to walk in love not judgment because each one of us will stand before GOD when we die. PRAY for your brothers and sisters!! Take it out in prayer! Judgment day will happen. So we must choose who we will serve. Now as 1 Peter 5:8-9 says, "Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. Stand firm against him, and be STRONG in your faith. Remember that your FAMILY of believers all over the world is going through the SAME kind of suffering you are. Be blessed guys in the MIGHTY name of JESUS! I love you all!!!! :D
I honestly do agree that there is a difference between ministry and just being a member in the church...growing up as a pastors child, I would dress in what my parents would tell me to but once I hit junior high, I started to wear jeans to church because we learned not to pass judgment on how people were dressed on weekend or weekday services
"Jesus Christ said if anyone makes other to sin should put a stone on their neck and put u them in the sea" "Mathew 18:6 ". be careful on what you wear.
Bilan christianity is a lie it push "do what you want" and " Cant nobody correct me" it's the lawless religion but God judge them when Christ return alot will be put to death
