Some of these scenes ARE choreographed. In most tournaments, they are pretty honest about it, and put it in a category of stylized, rehearsed “demonstration”. But they will also have more authentic competition, where no one is doing that kind of acrobatic stuff. As the great Steve Sanders (Steve Muhammad) used to tell us, “If you’re in an actual street fight and the guy jumps up in the air, you better take his nuts off or don’t bother coming back here.”
Aikido is a defensive martial art that is not designed for fighting. It is fascinating, but unlike Karate, which I used to do, an Aikidoka needs to practice for a decade (even more) to see and feel its effectiveness and fruit of that. The video at 3:30 minutes is indeed prearranged and prepracticed. Honesty is the number one fact in any martial arts.
My uncle is black belt 3rd Dan, and i remember clearly his stories from 10 years ago, about witnessing spar / exchange between aikido masters (japan) and karate masters (japan), its kinda one sided and kinda sad that from that point all i hear from him is to pick aikido as martial arts if you got to pick one. Back then theres still no UFC tho, i honestly think MMA will come out on top vs aikido but who knows
Arranged - that's the point. In aikido you don't have free fights in training. I did judo and aikido. In judo there was always free fight in training, aikido only dance. Sometimes one training after another. Those in aikido assessed the skills of these judokas very poorly. One time the aikido trainer went to spar with a judoka - he happened to be the national champion. I fought him... - the guy was good. This aikidoka was on the mat in half a minute... My friends told me - he just did a throw over his back... - and the other guy didn't know what was happening.
Once, during an aikido training, there was no trainer for about half an hour, so I suggested a randori in pairs - to practice all the techniques they wanted..., but to fight to knock each other over. I transferred this from judo. They had very poor balance - they didn't have to fight for years to keep their balance during training. A slight undercut and they landed on the ground. They didn't know these techniques at all, and theirs were ineffective in my opinion.
@@AlirezaSol whatever martial arts, practice makes perfect. In a real fight, it is different. Depends on the aikido practitioner's capabilities in terms of speed n strength as with other martial arts too.
I’m a great fan of Aikido, but the comments of this video just hurt. Only in the first 1,5 mins. were over a half a dozen of nonsenses. For example: Christian Tissies “fight” was indeed a demonstration (a really good one as always from him, but), not a real fight.
Aikido sounds great until you take an aikido class and realize that even if you give them your arm and stand there and do nothing, they still struggle to take you down. And then tell you you're being a bad uke and need to cooperate more.
Ah ha ha ,'conditioned response' because the result could be dreadful? This is a real story; I joined a Ninjitsu club, I had a sound background in full contact 'kicky-punchy' stuff plus I must be the most experienced 'white-belt' in ju jitsu as my work would take me around, sometimes I would find a good club, train for a while and have to move on. Anyway, I ended up sparring with the 5th Dan instructor but I hadn't brought sparring gloves and I hadn't seen how they spar? My experience of sparring was a 'give and take' of punches/kicks/elbows/knees with the odd take-down, sad story short, he grabbed my lead hand and pulled a lock on it, SLAM, me down and my elbow wrenched. He apologized for injuring me but no apology necessary, I just wasn't ready for the speed of his technique nor was I 'conditioned' to react as he expected. There's a lot to think about there.
When I was a kid, I came across an article about Aikido in a magazine. It was a brief, high-level introduction, but I was immediately fascinated. Excited, I shared my newfound discovery with my cousin. Curious, he asked me what Aikido was all about. I told him it was simple-just draw circles in the air with your arms! He was skeptical, of course, and to prove his point, he punched me in the face without warning. Instinctively, I waved my arm in a circle, and to both of our surprise, I ended up throwing him into the air, his feet up and head down! He hit the ground hard, landing on his head. It almost knocked him out, and he cried like a girl. It was one of the most glorious moments of my life, and even after forty some years, we both still remember that day. LOL.
I was a witness to something like that when I was about 30. I saw my sensei throw 3 guys, with no aikido background training at all, two karate black belts and one a boxer. My sensei was in a sitting position. They couldn't move him. Once I saw a blind aikido sensei throw other senseis around. I didn't notice he was blind until later that I saw him pick up his dog and dark glasses.
If you watch the first 10 or so episodes of the UFC, you see that BJJ was dominant because it was a mixture of grappling and striking - with the emphasis on grappling and control. Royce Gracie won several bouts from guard. Since then MMA has evolved and no fighter has ever been dominant without a good blend of wrestling/grappling and striking - whether from a boxing, karate, or muay thai background. A number of elite wrestlers who developed their boxing have been successful as well as kick boxers (karate or muay thai) that learned to deal with grappling and submission techniques. No single style is ever going to be able to beat a well rounded mixed martial artist with both a solid striking and ground game.
When Steven Segal is tossing everyone around like feathers, and they walk up to get their turn at going airborne, it reminds me of those martial arts schools, where some sensei is touching people with one finger, and they crumble to the ground, as if knocked out cold. But when scheduled in a sparring fight with an outsider, with a different style, they seem to get rocked, and are usually left staggering in place. Way too much hype added!! "Mucha crema en los tacos" (Too much sour cream added to the tacos)
@@angeloschneider4272 I make you right, but then again, Martial Arts classes do protect the children, providing there not American, god, can they gang up on one person.
If Aikido were that effective, all law enforcement would be using it😢. However, like Rener Gracie said, “use what you can do, not what you wish to do”.
Pinna is actually a great karate master and a real deal but even his confrontation with aikido master looks more like a demo fight and well staged. Compairing to him those shotokan fighers (5:10) were total joke. More likely beginners, who just put black belt on, to look cooler in that video.
Having watched combat sports for years and the way real fight movement happens (non-flashy, sometimes chaotic-looking), the match of the two masters is clearly staged, too pretty-looking, almost like in a choreographed movie. A real fight neve looks as good. Totally fake. Rogan, HardTo Hit, and others have searched the internet for proof in the form of a real raw footage of aikido working and without success. I am sure they've seen this one and dismissed as fake.
Indeed...pretty much every real fight, whether it is in a competition or on the street, is usually very messy and often chaotic. Techniques are in fact rarely as clean and clinically executed as those depicted. I am not saying Aikido is good or bad (I actually see the merits of Aikido) but these "fights" just look so staged and choreographed.
Aikido is easy on the eye, and probably effective against drunks or other compliant "victims". There's another guy on RU-vid who was an Aikido teacher who swapped to MMA instead after a sparring session with someone who'd only been doing MMA for only 6 months - the Aikido guy got his arse handed to him. He was man enough to own up to it too. Put an Aikido guy in with a half decent student of another martial art who has serious intentions and see how effective it is then.
@@marc-andrebrun8942 If somebody is punching you then being a nice person won't save you. It's not about behaving like a thug it's about having the ability to deal with a thug
Look up the videos of Ryuji Shirakawa vs MMA where MMA fighters experiences the effectiveness of Aikido techinques for the first time from an Aikido master.
Not so fast. MMA is a sport, it is not totally real. In a real fight, you can’t be 150 lbs and the guy who wants to fight you weighs 230 and say “Well let’s come back in couple months so we can make weight.” You don’t have to take your shoes off or wear a mouthpiece. In a real fight, people bite, eye gouge, kick you when you’re down, and there is no referee to stop those. There is no rule against your opponent pulling out a knife and stabbing you, having a friend who smashes you over the head with a rock, a brick, or a club. There is nothing that says an opponent can’t slam you into a wall or hit you with a beer bottle. In a real fight, the best move is to avoid one and find other ways to resolve the problem. A real fight can mean your life if you run into the wrong person.
Where were they at the 2024 Olympic games? Most of the technics described were in fact wrestling, grappling techniques. If I recall, NatGeo did comparison of kick power and Karate came at the bottom….
Aikido and Judo, as laudable as they are, just like mainstream Karate (I exclude Okinawan styles) are all off-shoots from Jiu Jitsu (so is Brazilian Ju Jitsu). Both Judo and Aikido are 'low alcohol' derivatives of real martial styles, deliberately 'sanitized' by their founders. Jigoro Kano and Morhei Ueshiba created these styles from something suitable to the battlefield, in a sense they removed the violence to be replaced with perfect form and a 'way' of defense that was not destructive. I applaud their aims and respect anybody who trains honestly with a good heart. But let me be clear, Judo, Aikido, Karate-do...anything that ends with 'do' is a way (to enlightenment etc) and is not a traditional martial art, in fact it is not a martial art at-all, it just looks like one Jiu jitsu is the mother of all these 'arts' and war is the Father; wearing armor on a battlefield, break or lose your weapon, the fight went on. or you died. I have nothing against, for instance, Judokas, I imagine getting picked up and dumped head-first into the pavement would result in a quick apology (if I was able) and likewise Aikido practitioners, my respect, that being said there is no way you can claim a lethal martial art. While I'm at it, let's see who else I might insult or impugn? Any fighting art, big difference from a ring with timed rounds and referee plus paramedics in attendance, take the gloves off, no rounds, kill or be killed, nothing is 'off the table', just like a real fight, nothing like Tae Kwon Do persons breaking wooden boards that would fall apart if dropped. Oh don't get me started about 'martial arts fakery'...... 'ef sake, one of the worst is breaking a long pole over the back of the 'shaolin monk' (for real, I have taken a baseball bat in the abdomen, knew it was coming, braced/tensed, took it but I remember the sting, baseball bat mark on me for about three weeks), so these charlatans show what the long pole can do, AT LENGTH, then they strike the invulnerable monk across the back with the same long pole, about half way between the point of balance and the rest of the weight of the pole, at it's end it's travelling fast, up close 'naah', not even fast but will break because the pole cannot take the kinetic energy from the end being disrupted with his enormous 'ki', horse-shit, simple physics. So you might ask, what does my opinion matter? Well 'eff -all if you can't admit the truth of it. All I will say about myself, I too was once that guy punching air, thinking I was brilliant, I moved on...
Of course aikido isn’t ‘the best’. I think the whole ‘the best’ mindset is a little ridiculous unless you’re looking to be a professional fighter.. Also generally on the street, people with legitimate martial art experience don’t go around looking for fights. So if all you’re looking for is a de-escalating -especially with some jerk who’s trying to cause trouble, then it is sufficient 👍
this is mere exhibition, people who had seen real combat knows how each hit goes, speed + intensity will unbalance any block or deflection and not only that, a grab will send you both sprawling on the floor, the opponent will not sushi roll himself on the ground
I like aikido, but not because I watched Segal's films. I think that aikido is 100% defensive and is not designed to attack, but what I don't like is that the sparring partners are too passive and don't allow for the evolution of the art of aikido.
Such passive compliance/cooperation can raise doubt about effectiveness in real competition or real-life defense, although I understand that it demonstrates aspects of the art form.
@@fred_2021yes the demos look fake I assure you it's a real art. I used to practice with Chun Lee a Korean master in Hapkido. It's very much the same art.
You should practice Tomiki aikido then, because there is sparring and tournament. I started learning it after taking my black belt in aikikai aikido and judo.
there is a reason for that : in Aïkido we don't like to waste time in fighting! when you spent 2 hours in the dojo, half of the time you really work and learn, and half time you help you partners to learn. there is no categories or division, everybody can work together : beginner with black belt, man with woman, old with young, tall with small and so on; it's the real life, you always learn something! during the fights in others martial art, we have a total waste of time, nobody is learning anything. fights are for children who like that!
As a former collegiate wrestler at 197 pounds, I had the opp to square off with an aikido master as he was kind enough to oblige me. I kept him front and center and moved as he moved which frustrated him and eventually shot, picked him up, slammed him to the ground, double-arm barred him, and pinned him. Nothing at all he could do but bow.
this is probably the dumbest "Challenges" videos ive ever seen. In no way shape or form would a full contact Karate person who isnt pulling kicks or punches ever have an issue with an in tight stand up Aikido person. The guy with the goggles is a prime example, he just walks in to light pulled punches and does an Aikido throw like he has just walked into a kids playground. if they punch him in the face hard, he wouldnt be just casually walking up to them. Having the big bird man Segal the sea-gull just clothesline people magically running past with their hands down and through his shoulder and not changing their line of movement at all, makes it even funnier.
It is always funny to see the aikido technique being performed not with some sort of athletic effort, like in combat sports, but with casual walking and it beating all the other athletic effort.
I train Aikido and I can say, there's a fight with respect and a real fight, Aikido uses techniques than can imobilize any attack since the defender have no fear to fight his enemy and throw back his own energy. A real Fighter respect any martial art, no matter If Karate, Jiu-jitsu, muay-thay, MMA. ALL martial art have a Lot to learn. Keep practicing Fighters.
I find so many of the comments on this video to be ignorant and annoying: "It looks so fake!", "It's all choreographed!", blah, blah, blah. These people know nothing about true martial arts. Every martial is just a particular set of tools. Aikido is no different. There are only two things that make any martial art effective (or ineffective) in an actual combat situation: a) The practitioner, b) The way the martial art has been practiced. If Aikido is practiced with true combat pressure testing by a talented martial artist, it is going to be just as effective as any other martial art.
The sparring looks fake but asure you it is a real art i used to practice with Chun Lee a Korean master in Hapkido. I asked him of he understood Akido he said yes. The two are very much alike.
Yes. Like WWF, rehearsed for sure. Why? I guess, for purposes of exhibition & longevity/health. You can see obvious the Karate dude 1:27 rolling along the throw.. you can’t do that in a real Aikido throw unless rehearsed. I trained Aikido back then when I was young though only for short period (white) and you’ll be surprised that part of beginners training is learning how to roll along the throw in various techniques.. because if you don’t, it can cause serious injury /fracture during sparring or match. Those Steven Segal stuff & modern masters today are obviously for shows. If you like real ones, have to go back some more decades black & white films.
Try it to challenge aikido master you will have broken wrist, legs, ankles and neck.You will need an. orthopedic to put you together but you will never be the same again😢
4:10 I can even see somehow the aikido guy having success with the karate guy, but it would never be in such a fashion like here, him flying like a madman like in an early Seagal movie. It would be some sort of more boring-to-watch neutralizing the opponent thing, perhaps with hugging involved.
Is this ai generated? I’d like to see a prime Dolph Lundgren, Andy Hug, Michael Jai White and/or Lyoto Machida have a full contact fight against those aikido practitioners next. Just as to see how effective aikido truly is against karate.
Why so people always run head first into the aikido guy? Put your guard up, be responsiv, be flexible, they just throw themself into the aikido guys power. Ridiculous.
Utter nonsense. When I practised karate, a fellow student was an Akido black belt, and whilst he was good at sweeps and throws, he certainly couldn’t simply avoid the punches and kicks I threw at him!
None of these people appear to be a master of anything. Aikido was taken from a jui jitsu style focused on defence against an opponent with a sword, not the modern jui jitsu most people know. That is why it's largely ineffective, because it only works in one context and that is an armoured attacker with a sword. But it appears aikido has forgotten that too
Where do you think Aikido came from? It's watered down from Jui Jitsu and Judo because Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido, was a Zen Buddhist who believed in non-violence.
Ueshiba was not a Zen Buddhist, For many years he was a follower of Omotekyo, and in his later years he was more Shinto. He did not believe in non-violence, and nor was he a complete pacifist, even though he did want to promote peace.
salut . there are no better or worse fighting styles, just fighters with different abilities. and perhaps there are fighting styles with more or less restrictions.
Steven Seagal uses too much strength in his movements (that are at much 5 or 6), but more than his short repertoire is the fact that it looks like Aikido but not respect the fundamentals, he never becomes “one” with uke(the attacker). It looks spectacular but is not efficient in terms of energy and more importantly, he don’t use the techniques to become a better human been… the proves are there
this is not surprising. The"soft" martial arts take much much longer to learn, but they are on many levels superior. On other levels they are not, as the aim of martial arts is development of character and that can be achieved over many years in any traditional martial art.
So many wrong statement in this video. It was super cringe. I respect aikido and I find the martial art actually really good. But this video is just horrible. All fake and nonsense. I can provide actual videos of actual aikido masters in an actual spar. More than half of this video was from a demonstration which is not a spar. It's their partner actually letting the aikido techniques happen, but they make it look like it's a real fight scenario.
Seagull was oki when he was young, but everything after his first movie is just: actor. He is not good in Aikido at all. Would not pass a blue belt test.
@SportEye. Are you kidding? What kind of comments were you expecting? If you have "any" knowlege of fighting, you'll know this video won't be taken seriously. Is that what you wanted? Is there $ that way?
El aikido se ha demostrado como una de las artes marciales más inútiles que existen para una pelea real en la que haya una gran violencia y en la que el contrincante tenga rapidez, cierta habilidad y la posibilidad de hacer daño real, no marcaje de golpes que de otro modo harían daño y reglas de combate simulado.
all moves are staged, I used to do this for exhibitions, they are practice to make them look real. Real fight, not working. Totally different style of fighting. Not so clean, just brutal slamming biting, elbows, knees, eye gouges the works. Head buts, spitting, groin kicking. What ever works. Not flowers.
Martial arts journey with Rokas showed how rigged Aikido is with no hard sparring and choreographed demos. It's a beautiful Art....but it's not proven functional in the Competetive and self defense areas of Fighting. This was obviously a demo.
Bei 2.25 wieder die Verarsche, ohne Hilfsmittel lässt sich Messwerangriff nicht ohne sich zu verletzen abwehren. Könnte jedesmal reihern wenn ich so einen Scheiß sehe.
_all_ the examples are just utter bullshit. a karate beginner knows that legs are 5 times slower, so starting an attack with kicks is a taekwondo ballet. all the other examples are just fake in the same manner. knife attacks? swan lake is more about combat than all of these. the "aikido master" suffers from the muscle paralysis, seems like he struggles to hold his hands. even basketball for fun in glasses like these can be fatal. combat? :)
