@@Wifismy Nothing has changed. Larry didn't flop, didn't take games off, didn't choke on a consistent basis, didn't throw duds from the free throw line, played defense consistently and he did whine and pout when he came up short.
@@kristopherford5209 It's because in the Dream Team he was like 6 years after his prime. If ur talking prime for prime sure he's on the pantheon but he had back problems and did not even play a lot of basketball in the few years before the Dream Team. But yea he was still not the worst player in the team that's for sure
@@kristopherford5209 Lmao, Larry bird said himself that he wouldn’t be able to compete in todays NBA. The athletic ability And talent of todays NBA is on another level. Stats don’t lie. Look at Lebron and Larry’s accomplishments. Larry is overrated Garbo.🤷🗑️
@@sudanstowell2533 what are uou 12, Bird went head to head with Magic qnd Jabbar with LA Isiah and Russel and the pistons, Oakley and Hakeem O, and then in 1985 MJ show and he did this on the regular for years! While LBJ plays more games a year, has 4yr straight out of HS start, and last but not least chased championships through pre built teams as Lebum never was a team builder like the rest so argue with yourself, but I seem the 98 finals and Michael's second 3 part with a team he stayed loyal to Chicago!
@@sprawlz6466what is he now - 4/10? 😂 go watch tape on Bird in the finals. He was clutch in a way Lebron has never been. Definitely a better pick than Lebron.
@@sprawlz6466 Please. The league has done everything in their power to get him in the finals, and he still chokes. Literally been swept in the finals twice!
He obviously said this because MJ never likes giving his biggest rival his flowers... Think about it, what is the last time you heard MJ say something legendary about LeBron and what is the context, I bet it's minor asf
What these young guys don't know is Mike was behind Kareem Magic Doc Larry and them you see '86 they were just happy to be there against Boston…he never threatened any of them.. The East was Phillys from 80-84 when Boston beat LA for the chip after that we got old, Boston took the East until 88 won 3, really it was '87 if Zeke doesn't throw the ball away in the ECF…in '87 Doc retired Moses left Mchale was hurt then Larry got hurt in '88 so Detroit was creepin up and their turn came they went to 3 strait finals '88'89'90 then Chicago crept up and took over as Boston and Detroit did… So Mike was under those teams takin Ls learning waiting for his turn so he def knows how good those teams were as a fan he watched em in college for three years.. The only people that discredit Larry Zeke Magic amd Kareem are young cats that never saw that era of stars… They were MJs idols… Zeke to an extent(Doc & Kareem)
In what way? He has 3 more boards, he's smaller, he's not as strong, don't have the athleticism. I get it, Bird was a unicorn they he dominated all those black crackheads to include Jordan. But to believe Bird could handle LeBron in any way is ridiculous. BTW of course Jordan would give Larry props Larry beat the hell out of him EVERY time they played while healthy
LeBron can only play in today’s rules that allow for easier stats and the competition has been significantly watered down. Back then the players were barbarians and violent, if a prime LeBron had played the old Pistons with their ruthless violent aggressiveness, LeBron would had gotten tore up and he wouldn’t scored more than 5 points if he even survives before the buzzer.
See that's the problem with you young dudes… Kareem Moses and Doc were the Three Kings that preceeded Larry and Magic…. Mike won nothing in the 80s and Magic and Larry won nothin in the 90s can't group in together… if anything the three kings would be Magic Larry and Zeke.. Zeke went to three strait finals won 2 and he beat Magic Larry and Mike stop this Jordan worship Zeke definitely did his thing in the 80s… Plus this is ridiculous no way in Lebron's 6 year without ever winning a Chip should he be compared to one of the best players ever… 👎🏾👎🏾
I was a big Jordan fan as a kid being born in 80', got to see most of his career. When the Dream Team happened, I was more stoked to see Magic and Bird than anyone else since I was a little too young to see most of their career.
@@tarikdebargethank you he and magic were past there times and out of the league or damn near. It was the others around them that made that team and they were the marketable faces to show the rest of the world.
I’ve said this so many times , to young dudes. Bird was better than most all stars today. He was bigger and could shoot over anyone. He literally was better than most players today. Including Lebron!
@@jayyarbrough9902 Fair enough I guess. I would still contend that Jordan was a threat even in the 80s, he just didn't have a squad ready to help him beat you guys.
Larry was absolutely that dude... personally I wouldn't pick LeBron over Larry either. If I had to win a game and had to pick LeBron or Larry to take that last shot... there isn't a conceivable situation where I pick LeBron over Larry. Not a single one.
Lmao, Larry bird said himself that he wouldn’t be able to compete in todays NBA. The athletic ability And talent of todays NBA is on another level. Stats don’t lie. Look at Lebron and Larry’s accomplishments. Larry is overrated Garbo.🤷🗑️
Larry taking the final shot of a close game was the thing of nightmares for every team at the time. Lebron having to take that shot is nobody's nightmare but his own.
Bro... I literally just said that in someone else's comments. If I had to choose between LeBron and Larry to take a last shot to win a game, there isn't a conceivable situation where I pick LeBron over Larry. Not a single one...
@@UpsonPrattJr. I did think of that. Because obviously his tallent to see talent in other players is non existant . So when he says he's good,I dont buy it 🤷🏿♂️😏
Larry and the three hall of fame players in the starting lineup and another one coming off the bench who was a former league mvp and hof player himself swept Jordan. It took all of them to beat one man who, for years, didn't have a single all-star on his team.
@TheGuest954 also lets not pretend like Parrish would be a hall of famer without bird. Same with Mchale. They were alright but nowhere near the level of Jordans hall of fame team when he was winning. And an old walton averaging 11 minutes a game hardly counts lol.
@bradsanders407 Yes, he did! McHale, Parrish, Dennis Johnson, and Bill Walton are all in the Hall of Fame. Three of them were in the starting lineup with Bird every night, and Walton was the sixth man of the year and a former league MVP, as well as winning a championship himself with Portland.
@bradsanders407 Yeah, McHale ranked as a definite top five low post player in the history of the game, wouldn't be there, huh? I mean, averaging more than 19 points a game in nine seasons while playing 13 wouldn't be good enough, right? Parrish playing 21 seasons and averaging more than 17 points in a season 9 times wouldn't qualify, huh?
not just bird but magic, Jordan, Grant Hill, Shaq, Penny, Kobe, barkley, luka, Joker, Giannis, KD etc. there are a lot of players I would pick to start a team with over LeBron.
@sphealteam6 that's your opinion. personally, I'd rather have players on my team that care more about winning than their stats. I'd want a player that listens to the coach and is willing to buy into the coaches system. I'd rather players that are willing to work with younger players to help them improve. I don't want a player that cares more about their stats than winning, a player that buys into the coaches system and works with his teammates to try and make it work instead of demanding I fire the coach, and a player than doesn't demand I trade my young talent for other superstars, thus hurting the future of my team. and I would my star player take responsibility for losing and work with his teammates to get better in the hopes they can overcome their loss instead of throwing the rest of the team under the bus. basically I'd want my star player to be a teammate and not a premadonna drama queen. maybe you feel different, but thats just your opinion and I have mine.
@@ritchierich6133 funny how you basically just described lebron, isn't it? you talk like he's joining a new team every single season just to trade away all the talent, fire the coach and leave. he's been on just 3 teams his entire career and has won a chip with them all. he doesn't immediately drop all of his young talent in exchange for a star the day he gets to a team. you talk like he doesn't care about winning, improving his game or even helping his teammates improve. he is constantly vying to make himself and everyone around him. also half of the players you said you wanted over lebron are massive divas as well. jordan caused plenty of drama, kobe was so self centered that he drove shaq out of la, luka is constantly crying to the refs.
Yeah I don't have LeBron at 1 or 2, but your list of players is just stupid. That line about not being a GM cracked me up 🤭. The start Jordan, Magic your like ok fair play there's obviously a good arguement. Then you stretch to Shaq so your down to like 8-10 now and it's feels like a bad take but anyone in the top 8 still has a good case; so you pull some faces but you can still accept the opinion sort of. Then you start talking about Penny and Grant and it's like damn you went way too far now what are you smoking 🤭.
People who pick LeBron over Larry legend think of it as 1v1. I got news for them. It’s a team sport. 5v5. I will take Larry’s pure talent and basketball IQ over LeBron’s longevity and gifted physical attributes Edit: and LeBron‘s ego ..
@@courtney-rw8chyou do realize Lebron has one of the greatest basketball IQs of all time? And he definitely was the better playmaker of the two (not saying bird was a bad playmaker at all he was good but Lebron is a great one)
@@GroillaMan in LeBron‘s 20+ years in the NBA I have not seen him make some of the passes that Larry legend made. Larry was a GREAT playmaker and I would take his basketball IQ over LeBron’s any day.
@@courtney-rw8ch Larry also had the much better supporting cast for him to make those passes, not downplaying Larry, he’s in my top 10 all time, he’s a good playmaker but also think Lebron doesn’t have as good as teammates as Larry did and he also does have some incredible playmaking highlights like larry. And also i’ve watched Larry bird film for years and comparing it to Lebron I also have not seen Larry create offense as much as complex as Lebron has, and that’s mainly due to the nba as a whole and the teammates each had, Larry has had first ballet hall of famers with him, easily the better bench/depth options, Lebron didn’t have hall of famers except for wade, Kyrie, and AD, Lebron has been with a terrible all around cast for majority of his career and the leagues defense has gotten far better. Larry was ahead of his time in offensive mind by far allowing him to dominate the 80’s Lebron is ahead of his time right now although it’s not as big as the gap between Larry and the average 80’s player compared to a current nba player to Lebron.
I think anyone who picks Lebron has no idea how much easier the league is for him playing in this era, then in Bird and MJ's era. Guys like Laimbeer who was a huge massive white thug, would literally not even go for the ball and just try to hurt MJ and Larry permanently. There is that absolutely unbelievable shot MJ made where he had a break away and Laimbeer was the only Piston left to defend, and MJ knew that Laimbeer was going to jump up and try to take out his head, so he had the brilliant iq and skill to half way through the layup, mid air, spin to the outside, and at tthe same time ducking his head to just clear Laimbeer's giant elbow passing over his head, and while still rotating he threw the ball without even seeing the net perfectly behind him, going in with no rim. It was a play that someone like Lebron even in his prime would never have made. And similar Bird would get brutalized on the way to the net, and yet they still had absolutely brilliant numbers, and they also play unselfishly when required, but the biggest difference, is when it came down to a clutch play, both MJ and Larry would make it 99.9% of the time, while Lebron almost guarenteed will let down his team/city. He had the first, second, third best players on their Heat team, and still they could only get it done barely like what once. Meanwhile it would be like if they put Larry and Magic on the same team with Kareem, or put Michael on the same team as Olajuwon, and then stack the rest with all star players on top of that. How many championship rings would MJ have won if he had Olajuwon on his side the entire Bulls run. Or if MJ had Larry for that entire span that Larry was playing his prime.. They would have been unstoppable, yet Lebron and Wade coudlnt' get it done, because Lebron quit. He absolutely pads his stats, he plays only against the worst teams, fake injuries against the better teams. He has so many extra stats because of the lax rules of the new NBA. He is literally the worst NBA dribbler i have ever seen, and yet the refs never call traveling on him no matter how many steps he takes, and he gets an unbelieveable amount of points because the refs reward him for his flopping, etc.. To even pretend Lebron is in the same stratosphere as Bird shows you how clueless modern NBA analysis is. The announcers and refs are all paid to sell Lebron, and despite being a defensive jester, and only getting free rebounds, etc, they convince the modern audience by outright lying about Lebron, and his fake stats.. Lebron would have been shut down completely back when MJ and Bird played. He literally dribbles at shoulder heigh, could you imagine MJ or Bird letting guy who only dribbles at shoulder height not pay for that every time?
The tough part about playing against Lambeer is that he never fouled, and his vertical was almost as high as a phone book was thick. #deee-troitbasketball #badboys
I don't think you realize just how much of basketball fans you don't seem like rn... Obviously MJ will recognize anyone he's competed against his age but will rarely or honestly never hear mj recognize any of Lebron's legendary feats that separates him from anybody else. MJ knows it's a close race but wants it to seem like it's far. Realistically, LeBron is more skilled. Both are bout the same offensively and LeBron a little better defensive wise, but MJ can't play make like LeBron. Also when has LeBron gave up with Dwayne Wade? You think putting out bad stats means you gave up? Clearly you didn't watch why he got those bad stats if you think it's cuz he gave up and not something like being jumped by every good defender and a team to back them up. But please, keep sucking off the guy who took 10 plus years and another star to actually make it to the finals over a guy who did it consistently bullying the east with straight bums on his squad... Just because you wrote a long ass essay does not mean any of it makes sense... F grade
Man I hate this dumb argument. All of them complained about calls and argued with refs. LeBron has the most playoff buzzer beaters ever. Not to mention LeBron came back down 1-3 to a 73-9 team. So to say he has no killer mentality is just complete bullshit. So many stats say otherwise. The man has more playoff wins than entire franchises. The 2018 finals alone would disapprove this dumb argument. If the media never fed you that shit you wouldn’t even be saying it.
@@soloistdeve I just proved to you how he wasn’t. Spew that dumb shit to somebody else who don’t know what they’re talking about and who isn’t biased so you can make them believe what you say. It ain’t me.
@@christiancarino4931Score at the highest of levels, lead the league in assists, singlehandedly take shitty teams to finals consecutive years in a row. Shoots 3s at a good percentage. Pippen ONLY has defense and you could argue that at his peak, Lebron was the better defender. I think MJ is the goat but people like you are the reason many people find basketball fans the R word.
*Bird was psychic when it came to passing. I don't think he ever looked, he just passed... round the back, over the head, between his legs, and ALWAYS hit his target teammate! It's a beautiful thing to experience. And then there's Bird shooting from BEHIND the back board and SCORING!*
People think because he didn’t look physically imposing, wasn’t overly athletic and was white, that he wasn’t really that good. If you actually watched him play he could pretty much do anything he wanted on the court. He was physical, could use both hands well and even shot left handed half of a game just to prove a point. He was also very physical and saw the court well. We all know he could shoot lights out of the rock. In his prime his stats, the eye test and the championships prove how great Larry was. He could pass, shoot, dribble, rebound and compete with the best of the best. Remember he played against MJ, Magic, Kareem, the bad boy pistons, etc. Everyone sleeps on Larry and when MJ tells you how good he was you should listen.
@@-sensibleChrisright like Lebron has said he is the goat LMAO .. that shit was so embarrassing like basically anytime he talks on social issues. Think he’s finished those Harry potter books yet? Lebron is great but boy he sounds stupid anytime he talks about anything outside basketball
I was born after Larry bird's time and I still consider him the best in the world along with Dr j ,magic and Jordan. ❤ bird's passing and shooting is so cool and unique
Dr.J got me interested in watching the NBA with his moves that even MJ said he tried to play like Dr.J and did he ever,I stopped watching the NBA 20 years ago, it just doesn't feel like the players are trying to be a team, it's all about them and lebawl does just that (Bawl and cry) he'll have to go on IR for two weeks because he stubbed his toe, the people back then would play with a fuckin broken nose or finger and never wanted to be taken out of the game because of the injury All "Professional sports (minus the NHL)" are overpaid, spoiled princesses, once they got their contracts in the pros, they forgot about the game itself and it's a shame
Bird was undeniable and clutch as hell. He had a mastery of fundamentals only surpassed by Jordan and Kobe. Bird's confidence, will to win, psychological warfare, court awareness, passing, defending, assassin like shooting, especially under pressure! He had no weaknesses except style, lol.
Larry was elite 81 to mid season 87,he hurt his back paving his mom's drive way,then pinched nerves in his lower back,and had degenerative disk disease,he had to lay down on the court to relieve pressure on his disks
Larry Legend was not a sentimental pick. He was a necessary one. When you look at players, and I mean players, that understood the game the way Larry did... he stands alone. Some of the passes Larry Legend made the shots he made. The absolute arrogant confidence he had. Heinsohn said "He was playing chess and the rest of the league was playing checkers. One box at a time." It was accurate. Bird had the game played 5 different ways in his mind before he took the court. He never stopped. .3 seconds on the clock... that was another 3 point shot for Larry Bird and he would always take it. Always. The game was never over for him until time ran out. For MJ to show the respect I love. I remember Jordan bing in a game all ready to do his flying specialty. Larry Bird grabbed that ball, shot it over Jordans head and smiled. MJ's face was priceless. He was stunned. That old school player just showed him who he was on the court with. And MJ never, ever discounted him again. Larry Legend Bird is, for me, the top player out there. He was just the best. Lebron has skills. But Bird never whined. He never blamed anyone but his own failings on losing a game. "We lost heart." We didn't play up to our potential and they did." He took responsibility. And his feelings about political crap never enrered into it.
His back was in shambles by 1992... he had to go through crazy long pre-game prep routines just to have a chance of playing a full game. The back injury is what forced him into early retirement, despite still having the skills to play at a high level.
@stolensentience I hate to be a dick... but I don't understand comments like this. What exactly is it supposed to mean? That's like saying Mike is my best friend, but Larry is my best buddy. That being said, the whole idea that one person has to be the best and that one person (if a consensus can be reached, which it typically can't) must then be crowned is bogus to begin with... but still.
Players like Larry, Magic, Mike, Wilt, Clyde, Isaiah Thomas all made that era one of the most excitingly dominant and Legendary Eras in the history of the game. You can't mention Magic or Mike without mentioning Larry Bird!!
That era of NBA is to tough for the league nowadays. All this brotherhood , teams hated each other back then...you wanted to beat them down. It was more mental and physical
Thank you, he beat teams playing left handed for fun. He would tell defenders his moves befor he made his shot and mase the shot. He drove his team past the show time lakers to win a championship. Legend.
Besides being able to shoot, Bird had the ability to read 3d space extremely well. He knew where the players were on the court like a chess master knows where all the pieces are with his eyes closed AND knows his next five moves before anyone else sees them.
And Bird had a better team then the Bulls. And yet Jordan still put up 62 points on bird and the better team. Bird said that Jordan was a god in the form of a man because Jordan was so dominant and unstoppable.
Lmao, Larry bird said himself that he wouldn’t be able to compete in todays NBA. The athletic ability And talent of todays NBA is on another level. Stats don’t lie. Look at Lebron and Larry’s accomplishments. Larry is overrated Garbo.🤷🗑️
@@calicoesblue4703 You have to understand that LB is a very humble man. He also said Magic Johnson was also a better player than him along with Jordan. And what you don't understand is that Bird dominated the NBA in his prime. Let's just look at his stat's and the important ones that make up an MVP. Larry Bird's MVP finish ranking. 1980. 4th (But won Rookie of the Year) 1981. 2nd 1982. 2nd 1983. 2nd 1984. 1st 1985. 1st 1986. 1st 1987. 3rd 1988. 2nd Bird's MVP"s in 84, 85, 86 are all with the entire DREAM TEAM in the friggin' league! Including Jordan. LeBron hasn't dominated on the court out of college, like Bird has. Don't get me wrong, LeBron is a good - powerful player, but not an overall dominant player like Bird was. If you want to educate yourself better on LB just watch on YT "Making the Case - Larry Bird G.O.A.T. by Clayton Crowley You won't see Bird crying to Refs or Bird flopping, hoping to get a foul called, like LeBron does.. They didn't do that in 1980's basketball. LeBron has even come close to achieving what Bird has accomplished even in Bird's short time in professional basketball. And maybe if Lebron is lucky, there will be a trophy named after him that NBA players can win like Bird has, Gimme a break, LeBron hasn't even come close to LB.
@@calicoesblue4703 You have to understand that LB is a very humble man. He also said Magic Johnson was also a better player than him along with Jordan. And what you don't understand is that Bird dominated the NBA in his prime. Let's just look at his stat's and the important ones that make up an MVP. Larry Bird's MVP finish ranking. 1980. 4th (But won Rookie of the Year) 1981. 2nd 1982. 2nd 1983. 2nd 1984. 1st 1985. 1st 1986. 1st 1987. 3rd 1988. 2nd Bird's MVP"s in 84, 85, 86 are all with the entire DREAM TEAM in the friggin' league! Including Jordan. LeBron hasn't dominated on the court out of college, like Bird has. Don't get me wrong, LeBron is a good - powerful player, but not an overall dominant player like Bird was. If you want to educate yourself better on LB just watch on YT "Making the Case - Larry Bird G.O.A.T. by Clayton Crowley You won't see Bird crying to Refs or Bird flopping, hoping to get a foul called, like LeBron does.. They didn't do that in 1980's basketball. LeBron has even come close to achieving what Bird has accomplished even in Bird's short time in professional basketball. And maybe if Lebron is lucky, there will be a trophy named after him that NBA players can win like Bird has, Gimme a break, LeBron hasn't even come close to LB.
@@calicoesblue4703 You have to understand that LB is a very humble man. He also said Magic Johnson was also a better player than him along with Jordan. And what you don't understand is that Bird dominated the NBA in his prime. Let's just look at his stat's and the important ones that make up an MVP. Larry Bird's MVP finish ranking. 1980. 4th (But won Rookie of the Year) 1981. 2nd 1982. 2nd 1983. 2nd 1984. 1st 1985. 1st 1986. 1st 1987. 3rd 1988. 2nd Bird's MVP"s in 84, 85, 86 are all with the entire DREAM TEAM in the friggin' league! Including Jordan. LeBron hasn't dominated on the court out of college, like Bird has. Don't get me wrong, LeBron is a good - powerful player, but not an overall dominant player like Bird was. If you want to educate yourself better on LB just watch, "Making the Case - Larry Bird G.O.A.T. You won't see Bird crying to Refs or Bird flopping, hoping to get a foul called, like LeBron does.. They didn't do that in 1980's basketball. LeBron has even come close to achieving what Bird has accomplished even in Bird's short time in professional basketball. And maybe if Lebron is lucky, there will be a trophy named after him that NBA players can win like Bird has, Gimme a break, LeBron hasn't even come close to LB.
Bird was more of a facilitator than scorer. As Jabbar said, nobody was better at wearing you down mentally…his greatest asset was the muscle between his ears.
Lmao, Larry bird said himself that he wouldn’t be able to compete in todays NBA. The athletic ability And talent of todays NBA is on another level. Stats don’t lie. Look at Lebron and Larry’s accomplishments. Larry is overrated Garbo.🤷🗑️ Larry doesn’t even come close to Steph curry🤷
There's no defense today!!!!! What the heck are you smoking? Whatever it is, keep it away from me because I want to be able to use common senses!! Do you really believe Bird that he couldn't play in today's NBA? GET A LIFE KID!
@calicoesblue4703 Bird completed a perfect Rack in the 3pt contest during all star wknd...might have done it more than once. See if Steph Curry has ever done that. Plus the Grizzlies shut down Steph in the playoffs the yr b4 he started hitting all these magical magnetic 3 pointers.
First off it’s Jordan and Kobe both over Lebron. Second, Larry is too. Lebron sat out a game because there was no AC. Larry played in a series against the Pacer with a spine that was twisted out of place, and a broken orbital bone from slamming his face in the floor & still dominated. Bird was tougher, meaner, and would break Lebron mentally.
Nothing impresses Michael more than a killer mindset and that's why he respects Larry. Larry didn't just want to win,he wanted to dominate you in every way possible and tell about it before it happens. Kobe was the same way. Jordan,Kobe and Bird would do anything to win. They would all gamble their lives on the outcome of their games without hesitantion. It's whst makes them great and As incredible as LeBron is he has never had that type of mindset and that's why Jordan doesn't like him and why Jordan was better.
Larry Bird is better than LeBron he didn’t form super teams, has a much better jump shot, more clutch, better rebounder, facilitator. The goat debate isn’t down to MJ and LeBron. There’s a few goats but LeBron isn’t in it. GOATs don’t form superteams
LeBron has more clutch shots check the stats LeBron is a better rebounder playmaker and has freak genetics sure he put together superteams but when you played for bum ass cavs instead of star studded Celtics team that had a Hof come off the bench that's pretty understandable especially since the heat where the only real superteams LeBron out together
It's sad that all the old school dudes support prop their generation up by praising stars and bashing current players but current players always bash lebron and praise older gen that most of them weren't alive to even see play.
Anyone who doesn't recognize how good Larry was truly doesn't understand the game. Larry could write you a letter detailing exactly what he was gonna do with the ball complete with diagrams. Then he would do it.
Larry Legend took a crap team yo the finals in his rookie year and got the chip in his second. That blows the argument out of the water about not having a good team
@@TechnoMageB5Birds rookie year, he didn't have Parish or Ainge or Mchale. The Celtics had only won 29 games the year before. He immediately turned them around and took them to the conference final where they ran into a talented veteran Sixers team. Year 2 he won the chip. So yes, Bird immediately turned the franchise around single handily. Not Jordan, not Lebron, not Kobe. None of them can claim that. Magic obviously won the title his rookie year but he also had prime Kareem there who was the star. Larry didn't have anyone like that. And still walked the league like a dog.
@@jbellflower83Tiny Archibald was a Hall of Famer on that team and Maxwell was starting over McHale and won the Finals MVP and Parish was a HOFer. You can Google it. Archibald was a former MVP too
Man I first saw Larry Bird play college ball at Indiana state.he carried that whole team/then when him/Magic came into the NBA they changed the NBA . Larry was one of the best clutch shooters I ever saw play.he was a complete player/never did load management.
@mr_brownie oh, LeBron is an all-time great. But I would want Bird, Jordan and Kobe taking the last shot to win the game before LeBron. There's a lot of players I would want to take the last shot before LeBron. He lets others take the last shot. He gives up the ball. He's not a killer like other top players. He doesn't have their mental toughness. That's all I'm saying.
@@ricardovargas4546 I do know, LeBron is one of the most clutch players ever, he has more buzzer beaters than bird and is better than bird and is more trustworthy because he is stronger and can shoot from anywhere
Everyone always says players they played against were/are better than other eras. It boosts their ego by making them feel like they could have accomplished even more, had they played against other competition.
In 2009, MJ put Bird over James. I did too, in 2009. It was the James _loss_ in 2014-15 finals where I switched and was like: _okay, enough is enough, Lebron is just unreal._ That was when I put James definitively over Bird among small forwards. Recall: Without Love, or Kyrie after game 1, James had the Cavs up 2-1 over the about-to-be-dynasty Warriors, and game 1 was an overtime loss, so almost 3-0. It was James + no all-stars against that Warriors team, and he damn near beat them. It took putting a great defender on him, Iguodala, to slow him down just enough for the Cavs to win. Iguodala was the finals MVP for defending him (more like just impeding him a bit). When people give James grief for losing so many finals, they forget how impressive it is just to get there - and he got there 8 years in a row (9 times in 10 years) - and some years (with the cavs) without much of a supporting cast (relative to a finals team).
@@ifandwhen-kl2cr Wear a blindfold, your opinion will hold more weight. He was in no way better than LB or MJ, unless you’re talking his passing game when he’s passing the blame for a loss.
Lebron himself when he was young, had Larry at #2 behind MJ. At some point I think he felt he passed everyone up. How is that possible without developing “Clutch”??? Stephen Curry vs Boston in the Finals, that was clutch against a better team, ripped their heart out!
@@prettyFLACCO228 nah man I’m not debating. I’m making a statement. It doesn’t matter what anyone else says. I’ve seen them all play no just highlight reels. Birds the best all around and it’s not that close. The real GOAT
People look at the fact that Bird is white that doesn’t matter when you lace em up Bird could score from any wear and has a hi iQ for the game that means he knows the game I’m a MJ fan the truth is Bird can hoop don’t get it twisted MJ is still the G.O.A.T fa show
During the 80s - greatest NBA decade - Bird won three MVPs, was runner-up MVP four times, and also finished third and fourth in MVP voting. The other season? Bird missed due to an injury. That was a decade that included Jordan, Magic, Dr J, Moses, Kareem, Isaiah, and Charles.
Everyone who gives an opinion doesn’t necessarily know much about the topic of their opinion. Bird was one hell of a player. Statistics and rings back it up.
