That depends on what you mean by "savage". If you mean it in the context (mostly modern) of "vicious and dangerous" maybe not. But vicious to all and for what? If you mean it in the context of "living outside a state of civilization" (meaning Western civilization mostly) I don't see why both can't be true.
I always supported the humans. Maybe it's just my bias as a native Human, but neither movie really gave me any particular reason to like the Na'vi despite the fact that I do enjoy both movies.
I agree, movies often give the underdog a impossible chance of victory no matter how strong and numerous the humans are and you just end up with scenes of humans falling left and right
Every coloniser in history has exploited existing rivalries to their own benefit and often to the detriment of all groups of natives, including those who help the invader. The United States conquered its land by allying with some indigenous nations against others. In the end, it didn't matter whether your nation allied with the US or fought against them. Everyone ended up in reservations on a tiny percentage of their former territory. There was a movie, I can't remember the name of it, about the hunt for Geronimo, the leader of the last major Apache band in the US. In the movie, the US army gets help from Apache scouts in hunting Geronimo, some of whom know him personally. At the end, the scouts get sent away to the reservation on the same train as Geronimo and his men. There was another movie where the rivalry between two Arab kingdoms is exacerbated and breaks out in open warfare due to the presence of an American oil drilling company. It has a happier ending, but a lot of people die on the way there. I find those kinds of stories far more compelling than a story like Avatar, where all the natives join forces as a single monolithic entity to fight the invader.
A lot more informative and thought provoking on the actual human condition and human tendencies, but that doesn't fit the narrative of indigenous people being happy harmonious utopians living an ideal state of life until the wicked, dysfunctional invaders showed up and ruined it all. In reality most native American tribes considered their mortal and main enemies to be other tribes. They didn't like the white people but they were always kind of a third party and interloper, and always convenient to use in their main fights with their traditional enemies. And they didn't need any encouragement to do it for the most part. They also routinely invaded and took land from each other and usually wiped out the enemy tribes given the opportunity (of course this varies, they had different values in different tribes). I always get a kick out of the "who can own the land? The earth belongs to no one." Noble Savage trope when in reality the Indians absolutely claimed land as their own and would kill anyone who trespassed in it, invade it and take it, and fight to defend it. They didn't believe in _private_ land ownership but they definitely believed you could own the land. They didn't just sit back when the next tribe moved into their prime hunting grounds and say "well, who can own the land? We must live in peace and share the bounty of the Great Earth Spirit". They also liked to torture captives to death, although interestingly they considered it a mark of respect to you, an opportunity to prove your manly strength of spirit. If they just executed you they didn't think you deserved that much. If they just took you captive they thought you were not even worth killing.
Also if you think about it logically the Navi shouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell after the first movie. Think about it, the guys from the first film weren't the Military but a Security company who did employ former soldiers but were still a Security company, meaning a small but well equipped group However in the second movie, not only has 10 years past for Humans technology to advance even further than it was before, which before included mech suits and a swam of flying jets and fortresses against a bunch of blue cat people armed with bows, arrows, spears and tactics that went out of style more than half a millenium ago. Now however, mankind is basically in desperation mode, so they would be throwing EVERYTHING they have against the Navi. The full military might of the entire planet, likely millions of soldiers with more advanced robot suits and other things. Not to mention stuff we didn't see in the previous movie, tanks, missiles, fortresses like the Helicarrier from Marvel, possibly even larger robots, not to mention things like advanced Napalm and the like. No way the Navi could handle that.
@@jetpilledmyron2056 Really feels like Cameron spent way too much time under the ocean and became another Green Peace Hippie type who thinks every time it rains hard in a state that it's humanitiies, or more specifically the US's fault.
Realistically speaking the Security company should have MOG'd most of the Navi outright and if any competent leader had been running the show they would have torched a 50 mile radius around a minehead site and shot anything stupid enough to intrude on the No-Man's land
@@phoenixrq9139 And we know Cameron has some kind of knowledge of battlefield tactics since he based the Colonial Marines and Aliens in general off the Vietnam War.
Probably another reason there aren't other countries on Pandora, the Navi would become overpowered very quickly and would end up having to side with the least of the evils (The Americans) against the others. Too depressing.
This movie can be divided in more or less 3 parts. #1 Indians vs white settlers, including train heist #2 teenage drama; a family with 4 kids moves to another city and the children try to fit in and find new friends, includes a bit of a lovestory #3 greenpeace vs evil whalers, including Moby Dick fighting back and helping the greenpeace activists kill all the disgusting whale hunters
I love your work, but I have to say I would not lower the bar so much by making comparisons to Disney, reminds me too much of comparing politicians, just varying degrees of garbage, but still garbage. The reason The Way of Water MAY seem more tolerable, less "woke" if you will, is because the target of this propaganda is different. Most movies are pushing division, based on race, gender, sexual preference...this movie is actually MORE evil, it is about the devaluing of humans altogether, "useless eaters". This is about the coming climate wars, that will pit the populations against the oligarchs. But just like all their scams, they need a certain percentage of us to buy into their narratives. They need a percentage of the population to think there are "too many people", thus justifying a culling, even if it is called someone else. They want us to see ourselves as a virus, as a disease upon the planet. I always look at war as a great analogy to their evil of their method. Time and time again (Sadam's weapons of mass destruction) people are TRICKED into supporting wars. We are told again and again how humans are war like, NO WE ARE NOT, the oligarchs are, because war is profitable and consolidates their power. IN all things, the crimes of the powerful are wrapped around the necks of the powerless, and we pay while they do. Movies like this that paint humans as a virus, are again, projecting their way of being onto the general population. I would happily do without a cell phone, a high def TV, 5G...I would HAPPILY go back to the 70s and 80s when I had to write letters, have an answering machine and go to the movies instead of streaming it. THEY point out the problems THEY themselves create, but never take responsibility, instead these crimes are used to justify more oversite, more regulation and LESS FREEDOM, "they need to save us from ourselves"....Well, I have said enough, thank you for your work, it is greatly appreciated.
@@DespotofAntrim To add all that good shit would further increase the budget and development time. It kind of is a shame once its a clear win, James doesnt go full George Lucas level modder with his movies, where you get space empires worth of changes over the years. Imagine stacking a well designed trial and error at first array of gene drives and every person spreading them produced James Cameron and Elona Musk with 99.99% certainty. Finally trillions could be far beyond billionaires with their own post scarcity post money economies. Who cares if competition is ded.
The brain of whalium didn’t make much sense to me in the theater either. Why is there only one whaling ship if the entire colony is here for the stuff?
I think I came up with a pretty good solution to how they know about the whalium. During the first incursion a group of humans could’ve broken off and gone rouge stealing equipment and fighting the main force. Since they were a much smaller force they get pushed back eventually finding the sea where they raid nearby tribes for equipment to fish for food somehow catching a whale. They eventually run out of food and as the naomi mount a major offensive they are crushed but the humans manage to capture them he renegades and send them back to earth as prisoners. This solves two problems the first being how the humans know about whalium so quickly which is through some of the prisoners medical checkups showing their lack of aging. This can be then traced back to the whale and can be later found out to be whalium. It also lends to the Naomi’s distrust of the humans as many of their people where killed by a rouge group souring relations between the two groups which is partially why tensions are so high in the first movie.
The entire colony wasn’t there for just the whale juice. It was clearly stated that they was there on Pandora for new human settlement. The Whale Juice seems to be just another industry the humans are engaging in on Pandora. Cameron has stated we haven’t seen the sheer magnitude of the human settlement and military power on Pandora yet. I’m excited to see humans build cities, space bridges etc be pretty cool.
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Just when I thought Nerdrotic was the standard....Despot steps into the ring. Great videos bruv, you deserve 1mil subs. You'll get there as long as RU-vid doesn't cock block you....which let's be honest. I bet they are
If Bridgehead is Jamestown I want to see Plymouth. A human colony that isn’t for profit. They still don’t like the Navi but are willing to work with them. I think it would a good way to show some moral nuance with the humans and Navi. Maybe in the 3rd or 4th movie this “Plymouth” colony is completely destroyed by the Navi because of a misunderstanding or just plain distrust of humans. The survivors who are led by formerly biggest advocate for the Navi become fanatically hateful of the natives and start to employee tactics and operations that are just straight up genocidal. The other humans are even taken aback by how brutal the survivors are and Jake feels immense guilt because a potential ally and former friend want nothing more than their extermination and it’s all his fault.
Or you can do the Spanish take: there's a group of Na'avi who built an indigenous 'empire' that enslaved weaker, smaller Na'vi clans and either sacrificed them to their demonic gods or ate them, and the humans eventually chose to 'side' with the enslaved clans to 'flip over the chessboard', using their more advanced human tech.
@@DespotofAntrim Well, look at the bright side: at least Avatar didn't blow a billion bucks to inadvertently turn Sauron into a Moses like hero figure.
This video, especially the second half, does a great job explaining this movie's problem with portraying the Navi as being virtually perfect people. This movie's human villains are one dimensionally evil and the movie's blue skinned aliens are essentially perfectly good; which is overly simplistic.
One thing that is never talked about in the avatar movies up to now is how exactly all the mammalian (and perhaps plants) inhabitants of the alien planet are able to connect to each other via their organic "wires." Were the Na'vi originally advanced and modified themselves deliberately before regressing technologically? Or did they have creators that made them like that? Would be kinda funny in a future movie if they learn that there is a creator race out there that come back to see their creations under attack and decide to do something about it. But Cameron is trying to sell an Ayahuasca fueled fantasy of the noble savage that are under attack by "evil" humans so that we all abandon our cities and touch grass so that their property and technology is instead in the hands of his elitist clique.
Man, Pandora literally has sentient hivemind which can control simpler life forms and interacts with Na'Vi, making memory dumps when they connect to node trees and absorbing their brains after death. Not quite Zerg or Tyranids, but close enough.
It's not that Cavill is a bad actor. He fits Superman. The problem is they had Snyder make Superman everything he's not. So Cavill didn't get to shine whatsoever in the role. Same problem with The Witcher. Cavill is a big fan of the series but the people behind the production are not.
Completely agree with a lot of the negative points. Especially the bad black & white moral contrast using the fictional 'noble savage' trope. I see it's still the main gist of the plot once again. Would've been far more interesting to have believable societies, with both good and bad facets, opposing one another. Perhaps that's expecting too much of what's essentially a children's movie level of fiction, though. Thanks for the vid! Your long-form reviews are great.
I think this movie brought a lot more out of Quaritch. I cant wait to see where his character goes from here. And Stephen Lang is wonderful in the role.
He's the only good part about these awful films. The rest of the characters are complete dogshit. Sam Worthington still can't hide his Aussie accent after 14 fucking years.
I've also wondered about the in race clan conflict. I mean if there are other groups or tribe and the man group/tribe live at Hometree which is sacred because the Na'vi can connect with Eywa (their mother goddess) and that Eywa doesn't take side and is concerned about the balance of nature. Than why isn't there other groups in conflict with attacking and moving in to Home Tree since that's what happened in real life.?
Lastly, it really sucks that James Cameron, the guy responsible for some of the greatest Action and Sci-Fi movies of all time, who'd literally went from a broke artist living out of his car and surviving on Mcdonald's burger coupons to one of the richest and most celebrated directors of all time, now feels compelled to insult and deride the very same people responsible for pulling him out of poverty. You'd figure he'd be like JK Rowling who already has more money and fame than needed, so has no reason to bow to the Woke Mob. Instead however, he says such utter nonsense as Testosterone is a poison, despite him literally making movies practically dripping with it for years. Why is he even saying this crap. Dude's almost 70, has more money than he knows what to do with, countless awards, the distinction of creating what many consider the best Sci-Fi action movies ever made...TWICE, creating one of the most successful Sci-Fi franchises ever, along with creating the First movie to make over $1 Billion and then the First to ever gross $2 Billion. The man has more accolades, money and legacy than nearly all the directors in Hollywood, so what could he possibly stand to gain from supporting the brainless idiots ruining it now?
Excellent point, maybe he's trying to buy them off with ballicks about testosterone being poison and guns being evil so they won't come after him while he is in the spotlight with Way of Water. It's very possible that those around him advised him to come out with woke nonsense just to keep the target off his back. Hollywood has become the Soviet Union.
I agree with most of this, except for the take about Rowling. Rowling happily sipped the Kool-Aid and actively retconned her own story and characters multiple times to score brownie points with the Woke mob for years until she inevitably said the "Wrong" thing and the mob turned against her. Hence why she's now anti Woke. But before that she was gladly part of the Far Leftist insanity crowd.
I get a kick out of directors like James Cameron and Spielberg and Scorsese in the likes men who in this day and age would be the last people in line for getting hired to direct. These guys who benefited most from the world are in are the ones who tear it down the most and make it hard for people that just happen to be the same color and gender is them. So I think they've lived long enough to become the villain instead of dying the hero
Not one of them would get a directing gig if they were young graduates today, a point I made in another video. Studios will hire incompetent women before they hire competent men, 2022 proved it.
These guys were never heroes though. They've always been villains. They all kissed the ring, bent the knee, and some of them (Spielberg for sure) were born evil. I mean, did his last name not clue you in to his heritage? These people didn't turn from the light, they never served it in the first place. You are only now seeing their true colors and think the illusion they projected is their real selves. Wake up normie! *clap*
What did Scorsese do? He’s done nothing but make movies based on historical events or mafia stories. Not one of his most recent films has been bad and has done nothing but speak upon a historical aspect of the films events.
Cameron gave the humans very good motivations that I root for : "Earth is dying, we need this place to survive" -> okay then, it's necessity "The whale juice makes humans entirely immortal" -> can I have some?
The part about giving the na'vi some actual problems and drawbacks is actually very interesting. It would've undermined the purpose of pandora, as pure escapism is perfectly fine and something we honestly need more of, but i definitely see your point. Would've been interesting to explore in parallel universe spin-off type of way; Na'vi that see the unparalleled benefits that humanity can provide, as opposed to their uncivilized and disgustingly savage world.
The trials and tribulations of a group of Na'vi immersing themselves in Human understanding of technology, science, astronomy etc. while trying not to lose sight of what makes them Na'vi could make for a compelling narrative. Of course that wouldn't sit well with explosion-addicted popcorn-munchers so we got this instead.
Perhaps that's one of the reasons it's such a popular franchise, people can watch these divine beings that live in paradise and forget all their troubles.
My mother is the type that just wants something to go, “ohh so pretty!” Lol she HATES watching movies with me now. She loved Rings of Power! I made her watch “Galadriel is a Psychopath” and she huffed at me the whole time. If you literally have millions/billions of dollars at your disposal, how do you not make something that’s both beautiful and meaningful? Like The Abyss? Even if the Na’vi want for nothing, I loved Despot’s point about them having NO culture. That would be interesting to explore.
this movie can be BEST Summarized as.... The best looking house, and when I mean best looking i'm saying its a shtty house too, in a very Very VERY BAD Ghetto Toilet ...... Maybe like a Chicago or Baltimore type neighborhood..
17:32 I do believe that a good portion of audiences would go for a more realistic and philosophical story about The morality of humans colonizing another world with sentient life on it and how they’d realistically would react to them in the future. But that can’t be the main focus. The audience does in fact mainly want blue people but we also want a story that realistically flows with how humans would actually act. The cardboard cut outs we got in this movie was unappealing and that’s one of the main problem/criticism people have with this but besides that it’s an almost flawless movie just like the review you gave for it
In the first film, the Navi were based on a mix of South American and Native Americans, more so the later. It was basically a combination of "Dances With Wolves" and "Ferngully". In the sequel, the water tribe is easily seen as being purely based on the Maori. Even the tattoos are similar.
Just found your channel this last week. Honestly I was expecting more of the parody material in the vein of Galadriel demon-beast, but this was a seriously good review. Keep it up king, you've got my sub.
27:20 Lol, as much as this review is excellent, the sheer conviction with which you stated your position on Kiri's conception was fucking hilarious. You sir have just earned a sub for that.
I think another important thing people may not be considering about this movie is expectations. I watched Avatar 2 with my mom, and my expectations were in the dirt. I expected it to be horrible garbage, but was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. I knew the writing wasn't going to be great, but i was able to enjoy the other elements. And seeing how much my mom loved it as well and knowing she wants to watch it again also helps me enjoy it. Long story short, Avatar 2 captured what so many movies have been missing this year. Fun. It's just dumb fun. Not so stupid it's mind numbing, but it won't change your life. Also, I enjoyed seeing two strong male characters going at it. They hate each others guts, want to kill each other, and fight tooth and nail for victory. I enjoyed seeing Jake be a strong and responsible father figure and general. In my opinion, he improved massively in this movie from the first.
Jake was definitely an improvement, and the movie beats the hell out of the vast majority of dross Hollywood has released over the past year; it frustrated me though because the movie could have been a masterpiece.
@Despot of Antrim Completely agree. You also made a lot of good points in your video. I'm aspiring to do my own writing, so I like hearing the opinions if different RU-vid critics.
I'm trying to force myself to see this film in the theater before it's too late. I have a feeling 90% of it's majesty will be non-existent on my meager 65" TV.
As majestic as it looks, I don't remember any aspect of the movie that could only work, or be compelling, with 3D. And I'm a huge Cameron and theater stan.
When the Prawns from district 9 have more characterisation and develop more sympathy despite their increadibly alien appearance, mindset and destructive culture than the big blue beautiful cat eyed people you know you fucked up
Maybe they had a specific molecule they were looking for. And whalebrainium had it. Let's call it walnut brainium. Or white rabitium. Or Adrenochromium
Besides the basic sci-fi war elements, this series, is essentially ThunderCats fused with Smurfs with humanity, taking the place of Mumm-Ra and Gargamel. Think about it 1.) Villains that is two dimensionally evil with goals that are constantly shifting and unclear while also being needlessly destructive. 2.) A race of two dimensionally good & also primitive people that have a seemingly supernatural powers and connection to nature itself, also whose design is something out of children’s folklore. 3.) there’s also the fact that despite constant interactions and fighting, the bad guys, can’t seem to remember where the good guys base is or least approximate it.
@@Bionickpunk the only ones that are media illiterate are the writers not the viewers, because the movie series itself has been nothing but visual noise with writing that’s barely existent to the point of naming something unobtainium etc.
I'll play that game. In 150 years, everybody may have cameras in their eyes recording everything they see, and saving it all on some future-tech cloud. Therefore, while it wouldn't necessarily be saving the memories themselves, it would be saving all the images which created the memories, which would fairly easily allow the mind to fill in the blanks and work with it. Hell, you can trigger memories through sight and smell and taste anyhow. It would pretty much be the same, only in a more focused and tech-based way.
Very good point, a cloud based AI could certainly take on the task of recreating someone's personality based on their data, however it would inevitably be incomplete (inner thoughts / missing data / trauma), good point though.
@@DespotofAntrim However, *Regardless* of how much Memory (Data) is captured & put into a new body, it wouldn't be YOU. Just a COPY. The show 'Black Mirror' a show on its bad days 10x smarter than either 'Avatar' film, also dealt with supposedly transferring consciousness to a new environment (Most Notably in the episode, 'San Junipero'). However, as with nearly all fiction and with most discussion in the real world, the true problem is sidestepped, if not outright ignored. The Problem is this- As I said, creating a COPY of you, may one day be possible. I doubt it, but let's be generous. That's all that's been done. The Copy may have your memories, it may look like you, act like you, etc... but if you are living right beside that copy, how does this benefit YOU? If you die and the copy goes on, how does that help YOU? Most stories just have the original conveniently die to avoid showing this. If you watch Black Mirror- San Junipero closely they confirm this by saying that the main character's bodies have to be killed. Why do they acknowledge the problem, but obscure it at the same time? I don't know, though it is more than a tad creepy. Any technology that could actually transfer your consciousness would kill your body by THAT PROCESS ALONE. As the body cannot live without the Spirit. Of course materialists do not acknowledge the existence of 'Spirit', which creates a serious problem for them. I guess that since they believe consciousness is only a by-product of the Brain, the only way they could see to extend life would be to preserve that specific brain by any means necessary. Surprisingly, one popular Sci-Fi series, 'Sword Art Online' DOES acknowledge a non-material aspect to our existence, by means of what they refer to as, 'Fluctlights'. They are sort of a Materialist's version or compromise to acknowledging Spirit, but still, far better than most, especially slick-looking garbage like Avatar.
@@torikazuki8701 Me, me, me, me, can you ever not think about yourself? Let me start by saying that you are COMPLETELY RIGHT in your observations. Mind transfer is impossible and copying data is no way to capture souls. Nevertheless, even that data is potentially useful. Perhaps not immediately useful, but imagine if it were used to prolong one's legacy, if not life. Imagine if you could advise your progeny even beyond death, would you not? It may not be alive, it may not be YOU or even a person, but if it holds accurate representations of one's memories, thoughts and feelings at the time of scanning, ca it not be used by posterity to get in touch with their roots, us? To know us not through the often-sanitized interpretations of the history books, but by our own recorded memory? What do you think?
@@Oera-B If it were openly acknowledged to be merely a Person-Flavored Software Database of everything that person knew, I'd have no problem with that in *principle*. Aside from the additional issue of that data being manipulated, as any data can be, my only other real issue would be- Does this database have anything valuable to SAY? Most of us can talk, some of us know things, but how often do we have real understanding and true wisdom to impart?
If they have to make the humans one-note bad guys to make the Na'Vi interesting by comparison, I think some mistakes have been made in the writing room.
Wow! Excellent in-depth profound review or better examination of Cameron's Avatar 2. I especially like your constructive criticism. You make some really good creative suggestions. Great! And congratulations for your first 10k subscribers! Oh, and please allow me one little technical complaint: have mercy with headphones users and (try to) level all audio volume with your voice volume - the first third gave me a few jumpscares :)
My assessment of the narrative in this movie is that it is decent enough but built on a mountain of contrivances. I wish that the movie had more realistic motivations in the humans and more realistic flaws in the Navi but I do like the idea of humans colonizing an alien world and having to fight the natives for it and the movie is gorgeous and doesn't throw the contrivances in your face so much that it becomes annoying. Also if the humans can grow Navi with mixed human DNA why can't they take the whale DNA and grow something with the immortal juice producing gland? One could already grow a younger body and upload themselves into it and if they make an immoral human this could solve the problem without the need to hunt whales.
@@DespotofAntrim They've already established themselves as having pretty advanced genetic technology. I don't see why they cant do a lil' sploicin' and grow the glands in other creatures.
I really enjoyed your review, which you obviously put a great deal of thought, and effort into! It is encouraging that a strong male father figure was included. The physical appearance of bad guy Col. Quaritch was an interesting choice. Instead of a stereotypical big, bald, ugly, empty-headed, loud drill sergeant type, turn back the clock to when he was a teenager, and he would have been boy band material. In some mannerisms and facial expressions, he can even come across as androgynous. When you refer to the ugliest urban space ever, it is not unlike the background for the ski and snowboard jump events at the Olympics in chn last year. Your balanced approach to modern Western civilization is as appreciated as your balanced approach to the true history of native (primitive - sorry) people. (I agree that native Irish should count as native, and same for other Europeans although there's also a lengthy history of population displacement, so trying to figure out who was native to which area first could become tricky. Eg Celts used to live in Bavaria before being pushed northwest by Germanics.) Your assessment of the Navi, and their lack of culture, is a definite weak point in the world building. When you were talking about what recreational, sporting, competitive, musical, etc activities they could have had, I felt I would love to create a culture for them! I doubt James Cameron would have had the guts to single out specific countries that are responsible for ongoing current colonization, recent colonization, genocide (or attempted) or whale hunting. Western civilization is such an easy target because, as you pointed out, the sins in question ended decades ago, and the Western elite refuses to fight back. In fact, they encourage Western self-loathing. Thank you again for an excellent video!
He didn't need to single any nation out, but realistically, the whalers would have been a very international gang of mercenaries, total and utter scum of the earth led by corporate types, like the buffalo hunters of the wild west.
This is a really fair review. It gives the movie credit where it's due, points out things that are enjoyable, and yet also points out issues and things that could be made better from a logical standpoint rather than an emotional one. I like all your videos, but this one is especially excellent. Great work!
The writing is terrible and the antagonist is so lazy. Plus Cameron doesn't like me because I have testosterone and he flips fans off that waited for him likely for multiple hours
Actually trains are generally easier to build, maintain, and defend than roads. Especially in difficult terrain like jungles. But yeah the way you defend trains is you put troops on them and fit some of the cars to deploy weapons or act as a mobile hq. It’s pretty simple.
I think it's mostly symbolic, you can't have evil colonizers without trains, and attacking a train is a noble insurgent trope which immediately illustrates you as a Brave Freedom Fighter. If I was trying to make it fit canon I would point out that they were interested in mining before, so presumably they have mining outposts, and a train is absolutely the best way to move heavy loads like ore. You would need to build a major highway to support that kind of transport long term, which is actually more expensive and difficult than a railroad. Even if you have huge high tech trucks that kind of weight can't be supported by a simple dirt track, it needs a foundation, a hard surface, a wide grade, drainage, etc. My grandfather was an engineer and in his books I found an old treatise on building roads, and it was clearly way more complex than most people realize. And that was from like the 1880s, a modern highway is amazingly complex. A railroad is just a narrow grade, ballast and track. You still have to do drainage, etc, and the grades are limited, but you can move a lot more weight a lot faster. Really the only reason roads are primary now is convenience, they don't actually make much sense economically. Anyway, assuming that they have mining outposts (and I assume they never say they _don't _ have any), and assuming they had some good reason to build the main city and processing somewhere else (easier to launch space ships from the equator?), they would mostly transport materials and supplies, but they would also need to provide for defense of the outposts, and if they have an increasing insurgency problem, it makes sense had they would be sending them arms. Although as usual I think this is just overthinking something that they didn't think about at all when they made the film.
Not really because uploading your memories to a clone would just create a copy of yourself, but you would still die, you would not be able to transfer your consciousness to the clone.
Thanks for the review, I mostly agree with what you said, though I like that you at least gave a reasonable explanation for Quartich and Sigourney having children lol. I didn't dislike the exile whale, I actually liked that he finally makes the only intelligent decision and starts stacking bodies, but everything else involving the whales was pants on head ridiculous. Supposedly in the third, there will be Navi that side with the humans (finally), but given Cameron has lost all creativity, they're probably going to be Captain Planet villains on par with the humans, or have been tricked by the evil humans and corrupted by YT space magic. It won't be remotely plausible and will be more noble savage fantasy tripe meant to demonize the people that have improved our planet beyond a question of a doubt. Also thanks for pointing out the BLATANT anti white message in this. About halfway through I noticed that not a single bad guy was brown, and that didn't change at all throughout the run time. About as subtle as a hammer to the head, all as more anti white rhetoric. Maybe in the future the white man takes their nations back? Also what's that anime game where you're braining people with a fire extinguisher?
Improved beyond a question of a doubt? How can you be so sure? Doubt can certainly be cast into it. Are you sure you're not the one indulging on a myth?
ow yeah, with a continent of plastic in pacific ocean, plastic particles everywhere, destruction of all sorts of lungs of the planet (forest, plankton), rampant consumption of an oceanic fauna, global warming - our planet has been so improved by consumerism driven industrialists! if Avatar was anti-white, then this review is pro-cancer.
@@DespotofAntrim imagine Jake Sully’s fear when he finds massive pyramids with Na’vi blood stained stairs. Or, even a Na’vi “blood eagle” (I’m Norwegian, we all had our ‘noble indigenous/savage’ phase.) but, they’re “so in touch with nature” (rips out heart) or, a statue of a multi armed warrior woman, tongue out and fangs bared. Either way, the Na’vi seem to be lacking certain aspects of culture. You should do a serious dive into it. I enjoy the content by the way.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RGQ1x5r-LCQ.html For your consideration, just a piece of tangible culture, that is not only an instrument but also a psychological warfare tool, that gives an insight into the society and thoughts of the beyond of a culture. Or, how come none of the Na’vi tribes build their bow & arrows differently? On earth, almost every culture has developed archery, but have varied it up, like a sort of technological and cultural convergent evolution, or homologous structures of thought. I believe, that the Na’vi are left culturally inept and shallow for a reason. But, I’m very into sociology, so that’s why I’m bouncing these ideas at you, and Avatar always seemed shallow, and needed that sort of true world building that Cameron is seemingly shying from.
1:01:39 Also their anime and manga kick the crap out of the shit we have here in the west regarding animation and comics. Seriously, give me Demon Slayer, One Piece and Yu Yu Hakusho over any of the garbage coming out of Hollywood these days.
At one point, when the clone commander was trying to ride his first dragon thing,he fell down. Right after we see Jake riding his new fish thing and I said to my gf : ohh no I got flashback of a deja vu of the commander hitting the water in front of them, then kinda loosing his memories and being rescued by bringing him back to the village. Then you know what would happen next and would be looking forward to the great reveal of who he really is when the memories are coming back. You could if you want as well change his reaction or goal after living,learning,fighting and maybe fall in love with them, being torn between his new life and old human self. The reveal could be triggered by crossing the clone soldier that would be happy to find him.
Dude I found your channel after your appearence on The Drinkers channel, Open Bar stream. So glad I did. Your videos are awesome and your attention to acurate historical detail is spot on. Well done and thanks for the content.
I appreciate that. I have only seen one fair review of this movie on RU-vid, Cameron made a massive effort with this and it has earned a fair assessment.
Loved the video and in general all your work. I am a new subscriber. The only request I have is if you can normalize the volume on the external clips you introduce throughout your videos. They can be very jarring when they kick in disruptive as I have family members coming up to see why I cranked the volume to max! Thanks!
One of the most interesting reviews on this movie I've found so far. Didn't want to click on it at first, because I'm pretty much done with Avatar 2, but I'm glad I watched it. This channel has become one of my favorites very fast. Greetings from Germany :=)
Why haven't I found your channel earlier love you and your voice. The German tinge to your voice is amazing (jk) I know your from Ireland? Scotland? Maybe Canada? Lmao but for real love your commentary, reviews and just listening thank you and keep videos coming. I hope and pray to the heathen gods that your channel gets more likes and subscribers and hopefully you see this post lmao from Greg in Georgia (USA) not Europe
Huh you know I was expecting a long, somewhat angry rant similar to Rings of Power where while you do break things down sensibly still rip into the movie with a level of anger yet also clever jokes, but here your focus more on the logical problems with the movie without too many wisecracks yet I wasn't bored listening to this at all. Nice work.
Thanks, this movie deserves a fair review, I have listened to many reviews and only one was good. Hating this movie is undeniably fashionable, both for left wingers (because of the presence of a traditional father hero) and for edgy RU-vid critics (because it's not cool to like Avatar), but it is nowhere near the level of shite spewed out by Hollywood over the past year.
You, sir, I have made an epic video! You've hit all the pros and cons of the movie. I've not seen either avatar, and I don't plan to, but it sounds like you did this one justice. The whale thing is so stupid. Arguably, some of the most intelligent aquatic mammals on Earth are dolphins and orcas. Both are well known for their needless cruelty, to members of their own species and to other animals. Rather than giving up killing, they have become Masters at it thanks to their intellect.
There's a reason Orcas are called "Killer Whales." They butcher sharks just for the liver and waste the rest of the body (Oddly enough, something Spider bemoaned the evil humans doing to the space whale), slap seals into the air as hard as they can for fun and murder baby humpback whales because they like hearing its parents being sad. ...They are some really Fucked up animals sometimes XD
While Avatar 2 (and the first one) isn't woke, I still think, it presents a potentially dangerous message. Especially because it has so little nuance. As you described in the your video, the Na'vi are absolutely flawless beings, while humans are presented as mostly evil. Back in 2009 this might have been not as dangerous, but in nowadays world we have several groups of climate change fanatics who are becoming more radical every year. Since the Avatar movies are also aimed at very young people, I think they will fuel this Gen-Z radicalization even more. Because what those movies are showing is exactly how those fanatics are viewing humanity (especially white western culture). Greetings from Germany :=)
Since Na'vi are a fiction, what this conflict represents is a struggle between green environmentalism and rampant consumerism. Na'vi do kill, hunt and apparently even had a massive war in the past. But they try to live in balance with nature, while for industrialist humans nature doesn't even exist. But you are right as well, people tend to take everything literally and on-the-face, so this sort of message is dangerous, but only because of how thoughtless the masses are.
Movies like this are more dangerous because that are actually decent as films. For propaganda to be effective it has to engage the audience, and much of the slop they put out fails, and thus fails as propaganda. Films like this are far more successful in influencing minds.
i really like your take on it. especially the stone spider part. and the part at the end with make humans able to breath the air. i hope Camron watches this and takes inspiration
The Na'Vi going around sticking their bits into everything is also disgusting. It gives the impression of a drug addict going around sticking their bits into random things in the hope of getting a buzz.
Your channel is a repository of sanity in a (media) world gone mad. I've name dropped your name in the efap superchats. Consider giving them (mauler) a dm on Twitter. Your content is right up their alley, and they have a huge audience that would gobble up your wonderful content.
There was a math done about uploading memories of a dog. Apparently there is not enough storage in the world just to do that, for a single creature. So we shouldn't be afraid of AI just yet, and definitely there is no way to copy a single human brain on to the hard drive like device.
For anyone interested, the memory upload device was a key thematic concept explored in Michael Crichton's Timeline. He definitely went down the path of the problematic - as manifested by the story's quaritch-like villain. Cameron instead took the glossy approach to the scifi concept, where it's just assumed every kink gets worked out with sufficient time (and guinea pig sacrifices).
I don't even remember that one, although I know I read it. I have been a big fan of Crichton since I was a kid, he does a great job of writing actual _science fiction_ that isn't just space fantasy. I will have to read that again. Although I remember being less impressed with his later books, and I wondered if his health wasn't already suffering at that point. Wasn't that where the guy like goes back to medieval Europe, kind of like Stargate but it's a time machine? Shit yes, the last time I read that I was in like 6th grade reading on the bus ride home every day. Like 25 years ago, time flies. I'm going to go order that right now.
gotta love that n64 animation. anyone else miss when video game graphics were less realistic? gave them a unique visual identity that modern realistic video games are sadly lacking
Slavery has been common in Africa for thousands of years. Also keeping some people as hostages if they have value. Julius Ceaser was captured by African pirates and kept as a hostage as he was from a moderately wealthy Roman family. Later Julius returned to Africa and killed the pirates. The US Marine hyme refers to the rescue of American civilians in Tripoli that were capturing Europeans for slavery and hostages. In the same era, British and US Navies were actively destroying the slave trade. Yet the US gets excessive criticism for slavery. Despite a very bloody civil war fought by Americans over the issue of slavery. And Europeans were not kidnapping slaves. The slaves were captured and sold by other Africans. And many modern Africans would very much like the opportunity to work in the US. Mexico is relatively wealthy compared to many African nations. And slavery is no longer needed because of the technology developed by the West to do a lot of domestic, industrial, mining and agricultural work. Many parts of the world remain in poverty but most are developing better economies. And have access to modern education, technology, science, medicine, transport and mobile phones. Modern mobile phones are actually multirole computers that can be used for work and education. The US and British navies also allowed free trade which is vital for modern economies. China has become wealthy because the US has protected free trade for over 200 years. Imports and exports are vital for China. Also, the fertilizer technology provided by the US that ended massive famines in Chins.. Yet European people still get blame for acts done centuries ago.
Did I miss something? Quaritch straight up died on the first movie. He was impaled by multiple arrows the size a spears dipped in neurotoxin. How exactly did he survive that?
Personally I just interpreted Spiders acting as him being social inept and using old human media or something/stalking navi to learn how to talk to people.
It is, but it suffers from some lazy level design, endless tunnels and rooms that all look exactly the same, I got lost in it countless times, and when you're lost there's literally nothing to do.
I really enjoyed watching this movie in the theater in 2022, but afterwards I can barely remember anything about it and have no desire to ever see it again...
at least they have a diverse and inclusive cast of antagonists. cant remember the last time a black man was given the freedom to be an objective villain
I see you have the handler from Cruelty Squad all over your channel, it would be nice to see a cruelty squad review from you. Lots to dig into despite the game's seemingly shitpost-esque surface, and I think the game's themes would be well suited to your style of commentary. Not a request (well sort of) but a suggestion to save for a content dry spell perhaps.
Thank you. I would like to do game reviews in the future on another channel. The Handler has a major role on my next video, which should be up tonight.
The whale plot is stupid. The last thing Earth needs is schlubs living forever, it needs a nice new planet, then a good cleansing with neutron weapons. We had resources in the first movie. Why not make the whales, and their gigantic brainz, the nodes of planetwide wi-fi for the spirit of Pandora? They're distributed, mobile hardware. That way they're a critical strategic target for the military, potentially to capture, suborn, exploit, and control. This could lead to interesting plots with spies, subterfuge, treachery, betrayal and so on. Maybe have some Na'vi traitors get sciency with the humans too. Anyway, more like leaning in to Harry Harrison's Deathworld, with the psionic connected planet fighting the humans. More interesting than Brain Goo Long Life (TM), which is kind of .. trivial.
