When they don't make the demons evil 

WUT? Demons in Frieren if you look carefully arent "made" to be as close to human as possible. The old demons, from prievious generation most seem to be monstrous like Qual. They were ugly and inhuman and were eventually phased outta existence. From what I can tell it's only the last generation of demons that resembles humans and are very cute and sexy basically as means to gain upper hand. All the huge ugly monsters like Qual are gone. They were ineffective. So demons evolved to be cute instead. They werent always like that.

IDK the demons seemed irredeemable to me. As explained in the show, demons are humanoid monsters who can speak. And all monsters are biologically bound to universal psychopathy. Think of Ted Bundy, but as a whole branch of the animal kingdom. That's pretty far away from the baseline from your average human.

With Malice mentioned 5 times in the video I am so spiraling to think if he hasn't read it yet

@@TH_Sofa I haven't read any frieren manga yet, just building off the 1st season. No spoilers!! haha

El dorado boutta be fire for sureee

if that Arc will be a 2,5 hour movie with title "Frieren : The Mage of Flower againt Everlasting Gold" i'll be in the theatre 6 hour before it premiere

I tend to think of El Dorado to be like a curious cat trying to understand its prey. But I can’t wait for Pey’s perspective 😆

Demons in frieren is monster specie, not a human race like dwarf or elf

Somehow the three can be applicable at the same time.

the reason ALL humanoid demons in frieren are attractive is because it helps them deceive humans. thats it. its another camouflage

I think they're doing 3 with Tsukimichi. There is a race of demons, but they actually seem to be a group of other races that previously inhabited the world and were displaced when the goodness arrived with her humans. So the war they wage against humans is mostly just them taking back their lands. I would need to read the novels to fully understand that, but I really don't want to, so the spoilers I got will have to suffice for now.

It's because Japan does not have christian heritage. From their perspective a demon is not the personification of evil, but a humanoid with non-human features such as wings, tails or horns. Effectively a demi-human.

It's my favourite arc . I especially liked how they executed the ending.

Yes its interesting because they are a demons and human laws and emotions or what we call the norm does not apply to them. Its one of my favourite arc and it also shows that demons like Macht who pursue understanding with humans are the most dangerous.

bro just casually spoiled things that are only learned at the later parts of the arc 🤣

​@@Re_V😅 they're really just pulling All this out. Hope the guy didn't see this. Thankfully I saw them talking about and stopped before I read on. I know I only and I wish to stay that way

@@Re_V as a person that already knows the arc i consider this a minor spoiler. Its not going to affect your experience in my opinion

I agree. A lot of people say MT is about a second chance. A second chance... at what? Well, it's about a second chance at simply living. Part of living is making mistakes - thousands of them. Part of it is also about being inconsistent, hypocritical, being an asshole - all the ugly things we have all done and experienced and try to push to the back of our minds. MT isn't a diluted story that tells us of a scumbag becoming a paragon. It's a story of a scumbag given another chance to LIVE, make mistakes, make himself and others happy, love, be hurt, hurt others - all of that and more.

@@akaneriyun4774 Exactly that, and that's why I love it. Rudy does get punished for being a horndog, but it shows just how human he is that he only really learns on a case by case basis. He pervs on Lilia and Roxy until Lilia tells him to stop. He accidentally undresses Sylphy thinking that she was a boy, and doesn't perv on her afterwards to anywhere near the same extent he did Lilia and Roxy. He pervs on Eris until she beats the crap out of him, and is then on his best behaviour across the entire Demon Continent. Rudy reprimands Aisha when she offers a "reward" to him, saying kids shouldn't say things like that (hypocritical, sure, but also good and responsible). And then he and Eris sleep together, after which her letter utterly destroys him to the point that when he meets Sara, he just *_can't_* perv on her. He's just too damn depressed to even try. When he and Sylphy get married, it isn't the aphrodisiac or even the _act_ that cures him, it's the knowledge that someone loves him for who he is, ugly faults and terrible mistakes all. And while he broke his promise, it was a promise that Sylphiette never planned on holding against him, so long as he didn't go to a _brothel._ In other words, expanding the family's all good, just not playing around. And that is all just a single facet of the character that is Rudy. There's his relationships with his parents, both Japanese and Greyrat. There's how he interacts with the world, and is naive to common sense even after almost two decades of life, simply because he's never run into such a "common sense" situation before. Polygamy is met with shrugs by most of the world, with only those of the Milis faith considering it to be horrible. There's just so much to love in the world MT builds that disliking it because you can't compartmentalize its story as "it's a redemption" just feels... I dunno. In bad faith, or immature.

This is a better read of the show than I think most of its fans give. I think this also shows a "problem" the video maker has in engaging with media. A point was made in the video is that media should treat evil with seriousness proportionate to the evil. If you do not hold that opinion, then your experience with media is going to be different. Especially if you add in the extra effort of listening for dog whistles. I do neither of those things most of the time, but the fans of MS may have that issue because some of them cannot grapple with Rudy being a pedo (mostly in the beginning, i hear he grows out of it which also seems to be the point.) My issue is that despite solid writing And characterization it falls into the trap of making rudy inconsistent.

@@SuperiorPosterior I'm currently watching MT and I think it's fair to say that Rudy does show character growth throughout the story. He's far from perfect as a person, but he recognizes the need to change and grow. He knows that he was responsible for most of his own suffering in his prior life and he learns from that.

@@SuperiorPosterior MT is also about Rudeus excusing a groomer that pedo his own child

We don't need to eat meat to live. Lions don't need to eat humans to live yet I would not get very close to one. The point is in Frieren demons are more like animals/monsters. Humans happen to be their preferred morsel.

You'd have to also factor in fantastical elements with a huge leap of imagination to make sense of the evolution of demons in the world of Frieren. The demons evolved to feed on humans because humans are the best sources of mana. Unlike humans, mana is the demon's literal life force that needs replenishment from an outside source. They're literally made of mana that needs constant input of external mana sources to maintain their form. How do we know this? Unlike humans, when demons die they completely disintegrate into thin air. While that is as good as a headcannon, it's still logically sound in a world where mana is an essential element of existence.

I love your comment, but I mostly wanted to tell you how much I appreciate you using SAPIENCE correctly instead of throwing the overused (and 99.99% of the time, wrongly) word "sentience" when actually speaking of "sapience" lmao. Ik my reply might seem random, but I'm so tired of seeing people on Internet (even authors, gosh...) use "sentience" instead of "sapience" (obviously when indeed speaking of "sapience"). Heck, even in my own WIP universe, I use the word a lot and my advisors/friends early on would ask me if I meant "sentience" 🗿🗿

" unless there's some factor we've missed" It's that the demons are evil.

I mean, one problem with that is no species really is just friends with humans (unless you mean other humanoids but, same issue). Wild animals almost invariably fear humans when humans move into the area with very few exceptions - and honeyguides aren’t good eating, really - and domestic animals are often just as heinous to try to attack as a human is because of how human pack-bonding works. I’ll admit I haven’t watched the series, but it could be a specialization thing. Targeting humans at this point might be more instinctual than strictly necessary, and I have my doubts they’d be able to ally with humans after the long history of eating them - even if only in caves beforehand. It’d be like a fox trying to befriend chickens and mice, they’re simply not built to innately recognize them as more than prey. Hell, even humans have some issues with this kind of thing, though mostly culturally learned rather than properly instinctual, and usually relegated to speech rather than to action - I think we’ve all at least heard of someone joking about eating chicken when someone mentions having a pet chicken after all, haven’t we?

@@franckymagines that shit still puzzles me to this day. what is the difference between sapience and sentience.

oh u will be completely proven wrong in future seasons :D, the demons are heavily expanded on.

Next arc would be even fire than the season 1 arc. Spoiler : Edel 😳

This is exactly what a demon later told Frieren. Telling if her could kill another human-looking creature in cold blood then maybe she isn't much different than them.

It is taught to her. Base on Flamme's explanation. Elves aren't the type to run away from conflict, even if it's a tactical retreat.They face their problems,head on, even if it means their deaths. And demons took advantage of this. On top of the Demon attacks- as they see them as their biggest threat, AND Elves rarely reproducing,(because they saw it as pointless due to their long lifespan) the elf race is now nearly extinct. Even NOW they don't seem to prioritize repopulation. Base on the three elves we have met so far.

It goes beyond her reaction to demons, though. Anytime humans want to do something dumb, she pretty much lets them. She might briefly say, "This is dumb", but if they're like "We want to try this", she steps aside and lets it play out. Like a demon, she doesn't seem to hold much value to their lives. This is probably in part because humans aren't friends. They're strangers, except those few acquaintances she took a brief 10 year journey with.

They aren't evil, though. They are wild beasts. Polar bears will kill and eat any human they can get their hands on. They can't be trained or made safe to be around, but they aren't evil. Frieren's demons are the same.

Evolved demons no less. To be evil, but to primarily use manipulation instead of pure power, is more aligned with the past depictions of demons or what we see in the Bible. It really is fresh to just see evil being evil, not misunderstood or something. Just wholly evil by nature, and in a way that can't be broken

Yea demons in frieren are naturally evil but still sentient and real. And I love that. It felt so fresh and "new" You could almost compare them to psychopaths (as in you cant really understand them and Just see them as evil)

@@kyuriht yeah, exactly!

@@Aizelav I think you both missed the point. Frieren calls it out very specificly. They are wild beasts. They are dangerous and violent, but they aren't evil any more than a polar bear is.

Simply hubris. We think today that we've won against nature, and that is not going to end well for ourselves. It's already looking quite dire.

Do demons really have to be benign and NOT evil to represent nature? It could just be in their nature to be sadistic. Evil also lies in nature, you know.

I disagree. For one, humankind always has some people who choose the path of more pain but it would be stupid to call all of humankind evil when it’s only a minority. Secondly, animals and plants, despite being seen as natural and neutral, have very sadistic ways of surviving. A venus fly trap for example does not need to evolve methods of melt the body of an insect to feed off the liquid version of its body but it does. A orca does not need to slap a manta ray ten feet into the air to kill it but it tenderizes the meat. Despite the instincts driving most animals, most animals still know what “fun” is and how to partake in it and every action we mostly judge them on is based on anthropomorphism on their behavior since we use relative judgement to judge what we consider “right” or “wrong” when it’s all neutral. Is a Kangaroo evil for leaving their child to die? For us, yes, because humans view life as generally precious. For the Kangaroo, it means living another year and just making another baby to replace them. Is an any colony evil for enslaving other ants they’ve raided? There’s a lot of scenarios when put into human morally seemed messed up but is the natural order for these animals.

Cats, that's the only thing you really gotta say to dispute this, cats toy with their prey, pretty consistently. Stimulation is also a need for species with brains

@@tomykong2915 If I recall correctly, the reason cats, at least housecats "play" with their prey has more to do with disabling it and preventing it from harming the cat than anything like malice or a need to play. Granted, intelligent animals often do engage in play, but that's not what's happening with cats whenever they bat around a mouse from what I understand.

@@seraphywang4638 Actually, Venus fly traps and other carnivorous plants pretty much had to do just that in order to survive in their native environments. The insects provide nutrients that the plants need. They're plants, so they don't produce the energy needed to use quicker forms of killing the insects. Basically, trapping and digesting the insect while it's alive really is the only way for carnivorous plants to do that because they're reliant on what the structures and mechanisms that evolved in plants, and that doesn't include fast acting muscles. As for orcas, it still kills the manta ray quickly, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were other reasons for them to do it that way, like avoiding injury like you see with cats. Ants are not that intelligent, and as far as I'm aware there's really only one species of ant that would do something like this, and it only works because the colonies outside of South America, which is where those ants come from, haven't really diverged from each other enough for them to see those colonies as different colonies. If I remember right, that same species of ants does fight itself in its native habitat because the colonies are different enough for them to see each other as threats. But as for as ants in general go? What we're seeing with them is a lot like what we see in video games or with AI. There's a set of relatively simple behaviors and instincts (or routines and conditions in the case of the computer stuff) that results in emergent behaviors that appear to be intelligent at first glance. It's not, but to most people it appears that way. I can't really argue with you about applying human values and ethics to the actions of other animals, but then again, I'm not trying to. I am arguing that the demons are not as gray or neutral as Pey says they are. While the mindset of demons does have some very alien elements to it, I'd argue that they are still very much human in some significant ways, and not just because of their appearance. One of the comments mentions that evil occurs in nature, and I think the issue with that is that, by and large, most animal's brains do not work like ours. For demons, it's clear that they don't either, not exactly, but I'll get back to that in a moment. The question I have is what makes someone sadistic? You have to derive pleasure from the pain and humiliation that you cause. It's right there in the definition. So now we have to ask what is the intent? Why does an animal do something? As far as I'm aware, humans are really the only things that have the capacity to be sadistic, to know that we are causing pain and take pleasure from that. Even our closest cousins, the other great apes, don't show behaviors like that, again as far as I'm aware. So what does that mean for demons? I've already mentioned Lugner and how he started his fight with Fern, but Lugner's hardly the only demon to show something that I would call sadism. Aura shows a smug satisfaction when she thinks she has Frieren beaten, and instead of trying to kill her quickly, she draws it out. I doubt it would have mattered in the end, but it does show what I would call a desire to relish in her superiority over Frieren. We see something similar with Draht when he tries to take Frieren's head and again with Linie where she draws the fight out with Stark. And I think that it's significant that the four demons with the most screentime so far do show those tendencies towards sadism. Most of Qual's screentime was spent on the fight against Frieren and Fern. There wasn't a lot of time for characterization in that, and to be honest, he really didn't stick in my mind that well. It's the same for the demons we see when Frieren remembers how she met Flamme and became her apprentice. They just weren't around long enough to do more than spout off about how the Demon King has decreed the elves need to be slaughtered (and the biggest question here is why,) and establish that demons tend to be arrogant when they think they have the upper hand. The demon girl in the flashback when Frieren is explaining demon nature to Fern and Stark is really the one demon we see that has a good amount of screentime that we don't see behaving in a way that suggests she enjoys the pain she has caused. To me, it stands out because of that. This and the scene with Lugner and Linie when she asks what a father is do an excellent job of showing that there are things that are completely alien to how demons think. Don't get me wrong. I think the demons in Frieren are interesting and well written. I'm also not so arrogant as to say that I could very well be wrong. I am willing to admit that I don't know everything either. That said, I don't think the demons in Frieren are as gray as everyone wants to believe. And if it turns out that cats and orcas really are sadists, well, it'd hardly be the first time I was wrong about something.

Mushoku is about redemption, just a different concept of redemption than some people have in their minds. For me, redemption means to seek to be better, without a tangible, beneficial motive, it's self improvement for the sake of it, not because doing the right thing will help you avoid being punished, and that's exactly what Mushoku is about, it's about Rudeus trying to be better, regardless of how much the world around him doesn't think he needs it. MT's redemption isn't entirely about moral redemption either, that's just part of it, beyond that, just doing *something* with yourself is a kind of redemption for someone who took advantage of his situation to avoid that before, he's improved immensely, even when, at times, it would have benefited him to just not in his new life

A line from the end of volume 26 sums it up nicely "I just lived the best life I could--so that if I died the next day, I'd have no regrets. That's what's important

@@tomykong2915 I agree, and i love that people (mostly hater) keeps saying that his bad action get rewarded in s2.. They tend to forget the first part of s2. They tend to forget that, ""doing it""" with Roxy is not being "rewarded", since Sylphie already stated before that she was fine with it (and in the LN she was mostly forced to accept since Elinalise lied)... And since the anime didn't really get a true focus on, it tainted his new relationship with Norn again.

If it's not about redemption than it's a story of a p*do scum getting a fresh start and everything he wanted in life. Yay, just what everyone likes to watch, right? An utterly detestable person doing well. As if. It's not about teaching a lesson, it's about making the story palatable to the audience. No normal person would sympathize with Rudi unless he was on a quest of bettering himself. People want to see a**holes overthrown, 'cause they want catharsis. A story should have moral and emotional resolution to make sense to people. The concept is here since ancient Greek theater for a reason. Tho I should point out that it's not a specifically Western concept, you can see the same pattern in Eastern classics just as well. I mean, I know there are misery porn lovers out there, but don't line most people in the same league with those weirdos, please. Sane people don't entertain themselves with graphic depictions of evil, painful and unfair, unless there's a positive twist to the story.

Did you ever saw a cat ? Real question

You do no know about, Orcas, Dolphines, Otters... those fuckers be evil af

Ravens destroy your entire argument a flock of Ravens can and will hold a grudge against an individual human

@@animeproblem1070 Octopus, too, have been known to hold grudges against certain keepers at aquariums and spray them or act up around them specifically.

Mate humans are animals and other animals hurt stuff for fun too like dolphins and other stuff not sure how you didn’t know this common sense but whatever

I'm a firm believer in no story (except that specifically for children), has any moral obligation to be "right". If the the storytelling is gripping, what more do I need?

Agreed. We are adults. We don't need to be taught morality in fiction.

​@@jaideepshekhar4621fiction enforced beliefs and inadvertently os a reflection of the values the author holds close to their heart. There's so many microdifferences between American and Japanese media in terms of morality and beliefs. It inevitably leads to a culture clash.

There are levels to it. I hate watching or reading anything that makes emperor's the good, romantic guy. It goes so far against the actually reality and my morals compass that I don't like reading it.

​@@upg5147well it depends on how the story itself presents such morals. I can easily watch or read something that has awful shit going on that goes against everything I believe. But if a story tries to justify those things within the narrative, then I no longer want to participate in it.

I shared the same conclusion about the parallels to psychopathy (ASPD). For a long time, I was unsure how to feel about the demons, and felt the same way "early" Frieren did (during her first heroes journey): wary observation. Once we reached the climax of that flashback arc (and later, the climax of the demon war), some things clicked for me: •These demons ARE psychopaths, but psychopaths are not demons, because •IRL people with ASPD have various motives that don't hinge on preying on other people to meet their goals. (Not saying some don't or won't prey on humans as A main directive or stepping stone, just that it's not always the core of their drive for each one.) •Those demons were inherently dangerous BECAUSE of their subsistence of preying on humans/humanoids, and Frieren clearly understands this (which is why she has no qualms about exterminating them all on sight). There is no bargaining, there is no alternative, there is no understanding possible to grow. The demons only see other creatures as food sources, and they are not the type to argue with their food without it resulting in their full belly in the end. •Those demons are in fact, not evil, but very animalistic in their drive for sustenance and self-preservation, to the point that demons with casually sell out their own kin if the pros outweigh enough of the cons. It's not so much a choice as a business transaction. •As a result, this gave me a fresh perspective on both the fantasy and the irl dynamics on how these types operate (simplified as it may be). I still don't know how I feel about them, but at least I have a clearer picture about what to expect.

I would say they are evil in the sense that coexistence is not an option, why they are considered monsters and not a people. It's not shown at least thus far that demons can co exist long enough to build a web of logic that makes up for a lack of empathy, as i assume most high functioning psychopaths acquire. Even animals have a mix of logic and empathy. It's highly unlikely that they could learn the language and not puzzle out meaning from it over thousands of years. They just don't because they dont need to: because their pursuit of unbridled power and crushing everything with it hasn't been shown to fail enough to matter. I liken it to the "the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference" that people will often quote. That's obviously dumb: if you put the two on a straight line, they are clear opposites. What people actually see is an exaggerated U, with love and hate being roughly equidistant or close in terms of passion and reasoning, and indifference being the farthest thing from either. It's fitting that in a polarized world, such a saying has gained traction.

that would be to acknowledge demons as a human being though at Psychopathy is a disorder in demons, the idea that they are nature, an evolved wild animal that only mimics humans to get a meal or such fits better than saying they simply hold no empathy, you dont say lions are psychopaths for eatings a gazelle

i see a demon as an animal in frieren they have hairacy system, they know how to live around human, and they neither bad or good for human. but the way they fix a problem is very different with human basically if human doesnt have "humanity" in them

**Makima intensifies**

The demons aren't evil.... You are

Bro what!?

LMAO! 😂

But the demons are evil, almost as evil as you

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I rewatch Frieren every month (1 ep a day) and have the entire time since it ended. I still enjoy it every watch through, and still am noticing new subtle details and most of all, have really come to love the subtle references in the 2 ED MVs.

Lol, I watched Frieren 3x in a row, and enjoyed it more after each rewatch.

had me in the first half ngl

Have fun with the rewatch

hmm, I think that's an interesting perspective. thanks for sharing

I agree with you entirely, though I also can see where Pey was lost by the story. In my circle of friends, there are 2 of us who love Mushoku Tensei (though I prefer the LNs to the anime) and 3 of us who couldn't stand Rudy enough that they dropped it. I am a fantasy fanatic, and at this point in my life I prefer complex world building and complex characters. I have Mushoku Tensei, Frieren, Re Zero, Reign of the Seven Spellblades and Ascendence of a Bookworm, not wth my manga and other LNs, but with my Western Fantasy Series (Brandon Sanderson, Robert Jordan, Tolkein, Terry Brooks, Jim Butcher). This is because, within their scopes, their worldbuilding is more akin to the epic fantasy series I grew up on rather than the generic isekai/fantasy LNs I went through a phase of reading.

Rudeus's story is not a generic isekai protagonist becomes an angel. Its a more realistic story about what would happen if one of the lowest scum were given another chance. Redemption, improvement are possible, since they know what happened in previous life and would want to avoid/change it. But nowhere near guaranteed. So are relapses and contradictions. Just like real life. To expect the story to condemn him is like expecting fate to condemn evil doers irl. Not gonna happen. Stop viewing media through the lens of your personal morality or expectations.

@@logikx1325 did those 3 ever give the manga or LN a shot? at least the manga I find does a better job with the framing of the issues than the anime. Beyond that, just to avoid posting multiple replies without reason, I'll reply to OP here too: jobless as a story does condemn the actions of Rudeus though, he himself does too, the world around him doesn't, and the story does a lot of what it's aiming to do by assuming you already understand that what he's doing is wrong, and then leveraging that understanding as it goes. It isn't a story about how these things are wrong, and it doesn't need to go out of its way to portray these things as wrong, it just needs to not portray these things as fine and lighthearted comedy, those aren't the same thing, and the anime often does portray rudeus's issues as a lot more lighthearted than they really are

While I am not a fan of Tensei either I know some stuff about the original web novel and let me say that Rudeus we have now or form the light novel version is an actual improvement. To tdlr it the web novel rudeus was creeping on his niece and let’s just say that it lead to his brother beating him to death. Light novel rudeus iirc had a different beginning.

@@2265Hello thanks for sharing! I didn’t not know that Let’s see the direction the anime adaption will take us

@@bleato2 yh but as for the current version and from my talk with fans of the series Rudeus will remain a sleaze just more contained. And he will improve and suffer the consequences of his actions but not in the way you would hope.

I was also pleasantly surprised to find someone who had the same view as I about mushoku tensei. I think many of us had came in with that view due to a certain popular anime RU-vidr haha

Redemption generally isn't something that happens overnight or even in a single/couple anime arcs/seasons. MT is taking its time and doing it right which probably feels wrong to people who haven't ever seen it done properly before.

what would happen if you gave a lion several chances to "redeem" themselves by choosing not to kill and eat prey? they'd probably "refuse" as well. are humans irredeemable as long as they keep killing and eating other animals? even as these animals plead for their lives and suffering with all the communication skills they have?

@@gamongames precisely that, yeah. I was just coming to say that it was less that the demons *chose* not to be redeemed so much as they simply didn't understand what there was to redeem, or even the concept of redemption itself.

​@@gamongamesdemon doesn't necessary need to eat human to survive. Human is just part of their natural prey, they can live well off without ever consume human. But eat human is part of their nature

​@@HoaTruong-km9rkumans to stop eating animal, and live in other food sources

@@BBBS-ne5te what ?

Absolutely wrong on a fundamental level. Frieren is an elf whom has emotions, but isn't very great at displaying them even all the way back when she first met Flamme. Demons cannot and I mean physically cannot comprehend emotions other then self preservation. The Demons lack humanity which is absolutely opposite of elves as they seem to have humanity, but live just as long. Flamme might have kick started Frieren's more generous and helpful nature, but she had to have such emotions to begin with to nurture. I don't view Frieren and Demons as two sides of the same coin, but two different coins that are roughly the same size.

@@Al_Greg I think what op means how alien elves and demons are effectively aliens to humans, but frieren is different because she actually makes an effort to connect with mortals.

Frieren lived peacefully in the central reason for a millennia as civilization grew around her, while Aura appears to have spent the better part of her 500 trying to annihilate the city that grew up under the barrier Flamme planted there.

@@Al_Greg yeah, Frieren has always shown emotion, just in subdued ways (which is common for mages in this series regardless of their species due to it assisting in mana control, as seen when we see demons and elves who are not mages and much more openly emotional). Frieren is also quite happy with her near-infinite time, her regrets have to do with not valuing the time of others enough.

And if you don't think about it at all, you fall into depravity yourself. Perpetrating heinous things and yet believing yourself to be among the righteous.

@@DreamersOfReality Not thinking at all is stupid.

There is a severe flaw to your theory though and that is that some animals dont recognize people as their caretakers even if they have experience of them giving them positive experiences. Chimps are a prime example of this as they’ve been known to horribly maul their owners and other people despite the fact that they have been raised by humans. Same with Hippos who have killed their caretakers including one story where they killed their caretaker in the same rover they rescued it from. Wild animals are wild animals and while we can rationalize some of their behaviors, it’s still mostly theory that has been disproven time and time again. We could argue that nature is more about preserving a species but in reality, nature is the course of action that furthers an animals species in whatever way possible regardless if its the most efficient or not. This is how we get animals whose biology can kill themselves, animals with seemingly psychotic tendencies, animals that seemingly have no explanation for their behavior because even scientists has a tendency to humanize an animal and rationalize their behavior in human moral which is completely unknown to animals. Demons in this case only survived because their biology allowed them to. They kill humans because its convenient and because they can. They hurt people because they can. They arent inherently evil for doing it because their natural guide as instinctual is mostly something humans rationalize them for. Their moral compass doesnt follow a humans and so cant be judged by human morality. It just is.

It’s more of a example of Civilized and uncivilized, yes we may adopt things of the uncivilized since it’s the reason we have domesticated wolves to become dogs but that’s the point. They must heel to our side to be accepted, to become civilized. Demons on the other hand try to do what humans do to animals which is to domesticate them, and so they learn language to trick humans into thinking they’re willing to become civilized, and at the right moment they strike and attempt to turn the tables on humans.

@@seraphywang4638 yeah, we get animals with psychotic tendancies, bodies that can suddenly try to kill themselves, and no real explanation for their behavior, sounds like humans in a nutshell. other species of animals' behaviors are often more rational than most humans, that's the difference, and that's why we fail to understand them when we try and humanize them, but the processes surrounding those animals aren't rational, they just happen, and that rationality applies in response to that environment, and doesn't really work when they attempt to understand human behaviors, the behaviors you're talking about are unnecessary risks as far as most animals are concerned, another animal will generally only be doing things in its own best interest, so if it is giving me something, it's trying to get me, my mate, or my offspring, or all of the above, that's the thing

@@seraphywang4638 Adding to your example with what I'm familiar with: alligators can and will snap at and attack familiar handlers who have been with them for YEARS and who they understand on some level are bringing them food, if the handler shows enough inattention for the 'gator to notice it. Some gators seem to be lazier than others about their reactivity threshold and the effort to take a shot at a bite, but even decade-long handlers recognize their alligator partner remains a danger even if there's some form of affection.

Nah man you have your facts mixed. Wild Animals *do not* generally recognize and refrain from antagonizing people they see as caretakers. The opposite actually, the most common thing on the area is to hear about rescuers who were killed by the animals they rescued. Its all fun and games to see the videos of Rescuers playing with Lions who they saved as cubs, but the ones you don't see outnumber them A LOT

he is right you will see that later

Although those demons could be the exception not the norm.

Mushoku Tensei is about redemption, just a different concept of redemption than most people have in their heads, it's a personal search of redemption, improvement, even if that improvement isn't to perfection, it's the kind of redemption I've always resonated more with to begin with, but beyond that, the anime adaptation muddies that a lot

Exactly. 🙄

Especially considering what he said in the later half of this video.

The first season was masterful. The second season was basically underaged, furry, scat, torture porn with delusions of grandeur.

@@drksideofthewal I like the story but yeah, the author does not hide their fetishes well.

@@upg5147 you people have some deep down problems with kids lmao... what is wrong with you? you see a show about kids exploring a dangerouns underground space in a giant abyss and you go ballistic over them dying? wow, big surprise, who would have thought that a defenseless kid would have died in an abyss filled with deadly creatures, traps, falls, a literal invisible force that deforms you like you're playdoh, and crazy people who need test subjects for some wicked experiments. I mean... if you find all that gore stuff attractive, maybe the one with the problems here is you. But hey, who am I to judge? it's not like I can change the mind of a bunch of kiddie diddlers anyway...

Eldritch monsters that were once human, but given unholy power by the call of a malevolent deity.

it's person VS self, it's not person vs person as a whole, though it involves some person vs person sub conflicts, but beyond that, it's just what some of use view true redemption, it's still redemption when everyone around you is as bad as you were, society punishing you for trying to be better would make your efforts to be better anyways even more meaningful, because then you're not just being better for a reward, being better is the reward

But even that scene wasn't showing what Rudy did as good. He did it in a scientific way and if I remember correctly, the girls did something bad prior to be punished. I'm not saying what Rudy did was a proper punishment or anything, but that the scene gives me enough to not make it as bad as it can easily be seen as.

@upg5147 I don't personally have a problem with it. It was just by best guess for what he was getting at.

@@danielfredel4193 Yeah, there are a handful of scenes that could be the issue depending on who you are talking to...

Iitc, they destroyed his prized Roxy statue while bullying, so Rudeus captured them. The boob thing was for checking his ed.