When tree planting hurts the climate

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Tree planting initiatives! Politicians, activists, and RU-vidrs love them, but the scientific literature is much more ambivalent. Failure rates are high. Damage is done to the local (and sometimes the global) environment. Is it possible to plant trees and have a positive impact? Absolutely! But there is another, arguably better way...
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When tree planting goes wrong. How can tree planting hurt the climate? Does planting trees help fix climate change? Will Team Trees actually help the climate? In this video I talk through how tree planting initiatives often fail and can damage the local and global environment. Fortunately scientists have worked out guidelines for such projects to follow to make a positive impact.
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@TheDanEdwards 6 дней назад

Let's hope people appreciate the nuances in this video, and just don't run with the title or published headlines in papers.

@dubious_potat4587 6 дней назад

Scientist: My findings are useless if taken out of context The media: "scientist claims his findings are useless"

@bassafarside6071 6 дней назад

@@dubious_potat4587 I agree with you. And the title of the contribution seems to suggest that tree planting are always wrong. Someone as eloquent as Mr. Clarks trangely -- or perhaps not-- seems to favor misleading titles, namely against taking action to mitigate climate change, somewhat regularly.

@xway2 6 дней назад

@@bassafarside6071 You need shocking titles to get people to click. It's the sad reality of this platform and media in general.

@bartroberts1514 6 дней назад

In business, at any stage, 20% five year survival to the next stage is pretty good. But it's important to do deep dives like Simon's gone to the trouble of presenting here.

@tracy419 6 дней назад

@@bassafarside6071I honestly don't see how you come to that conclusion over the title unless English isn't your first language.

@alexandrudorries3307 6 дней назад

Never before has seeing manmade puddles inspired me with such hope.

@Targe0 6 дней назад

I recommended that you look into the regenerative agriculture projects on RU-vid then. As you will see, just how many different organisations are doing that kind of work and just how far along some of them are and the sheer number of different countries they are operating in. There are ones that range from whole communities to just one farm at a time. But with solid and continual support and engagement with the locations. It really helps to show that work is being done, it's just most people never hear about it happening because they don't go looking for it.

@hazelisonline 5 дней назад

I remember as a Canadian I started worrying about climate in 2019, IPCC warnings getting more dire, dread setting in. Trudeau declares a climate emergency and an ambitious new climate policy. Thank god I thought. Our leaders are listening. The ambitious policy was “planting 2 billion trees.” Since 2019, most of them have died because they were planted badly and far more than 2 billion have burned down. Planting trees will never be a substitute for getting off fossil fuels. Great video!

@J0s5p8 5 дней назад

Not surprising that a Trudeau plan for tree planting would fail. He's a fine talker but a poor planner and a poorer manager. Nothing fails more spectacularly then a careless experiment. You have to put your money where your mouth is and ACTUALLY follow the science . Forestry, not physics. Put someone who knows what he is doing in charge and employ people who know what they are doing to plant the trees, and if the objective is carbon capture, then stick with the program and monitor progress from start to finish.

@universe1879 5 дней назад

@@J0s5p8didn’t Carbon Capture barely do anything? Especially when compared to annual emissions rate

@cea6770 5 дней назад

@universe1879 They are likely using 'carbon capture' in the broad sense, including converting carbon in the atmosphere to biomass, rather than the technology 'carbon capture' which outside of factory roofs is mostly useless.

@spiguy 5 дней назад

Et sans trop savoir comment, le pipeline qu'il a acheté va nous aider dans la transition énergétique. Alors que les émissions dont il sera responsable nous coûteront plus cher...

@Bushman9 4 дня назад

Funny how Trudeau’s climate emergency didn’t curtail our exporting of 30 million tons of coal annually.

@Elongated_Muskrat 6 дней назад

Monoculture and non-native plants are the problem

@juliahello6673 6 дней назад

They don’t plant tree crops when they are trying to plant for climate

@evancombs5159 5 дней назад

@@juliahello6673 If you are trying to think sustainably, you should consider the usefulness of the trees you are planting. Like it or not, we are here to stay, and we need to be thinking about doing things in a way that makes the land useful to humans too. If the land is not useful in some way, it will be at risk of being deforested again. You just have to avoid putting too much weight towards the usefulness of the trees that you sacrifice the health of the forest. You need to find the right balance.

@btudrus 4 дня назад

" Monoculture and non-native plants are the problem " Planting ANYTHING is the real problem. We need more cows and more pastures and that's why we have to eat more MEAT !!!

@juliahello6673 4 дня назад

@@btudrus Cattle grazing takes up almost a quarter of the land in the United States. How much more are you looking for?

@r.guerreiro140 4 дня назад

@juliahello6673 so you better go on those lands and try to farm your own food

@BlueBetaPro 6 дней назад

There is also the disastrous case of planting trees in Peatlands, like the Scottish Peatlands. Quote: "Peatlands are the largest natural terrestrial carbon store. They store more carbon than all other vegetation types in the world combined. Damaged peatlands are a major source of greenhouse gas emissions, responsible for almost 5% of global anthropogenic CO2 emissions." Peatlands are the real OG of carbon sequestration and storage.

@brotherlucker 6 дней назад

Yes! Although this is now regulated In the UK - the regulations are also actually hurting peatland restoration. One of the restoration projects I have worked on BADLY needs some Afforestation around the edges to help keep the peat in place (it is mostly liquid after all).

@Targe0 6 дней назад

They are good, but they are no deep carbon cycle of the oceans. Which was capturing carbon before the organisms that would cause peat to form had even evolved. But we will need to repair both those systems are all the other ones part of the carbon cycle if we want to fix what has been damaged.

@tristanridley1601 6 дней назад

So... You're saying continue mining and destroying peat bogs for profit?

@Solstice261 6 дней назад

In the case of peatlands in Scotland is a bit odd, while there should be trees and Scotland lacks a lot, they have a problem of the forestry industry getting in and planting sitka spruce, this mustn't be taken as Scotland not needing more trees

@gehwissen3975 5 дней назад

The people who voted for right-wing extremists in the EU elections cause much more damage. Without any doubt.

@nikkiwilliamson4665 3 дня назад

I recently planted quite a few trees in my garden (most of which are going to become a hedge). The actual planting was only a tiny amount of the overall time spent on them. I spent ages working out a good mix of trees to create native hedging that is actually good for the local wildlife and suits the conditions of my garden. And then after planting I’ve been doing regular watering and keeping other plants out their way until they get more established which is still a long way off. I never considered that the tree planting charities were only planting the trees and not doing all the other stuff because it seems so obvious to me that the other stuff is absolutely vital. I will definitely be more careful which charities I support going forward. Next project is a wildlife pond and I’m several months in. Planning is nearly complete and I’m hoping to break ground next month!

@joefer5360 3 дня назад

Support no charity. Use that currency that would have gone to a "charity" and upkeep your own projects that will bring charity into the world by default.

@WallebyDamned 6 дней назад

You're not sponsored, you just Dig It

@OrangeBarnacle 6 дней назад

Missed opportunity!

@AB-fh9zh 5 дней назад

Nice.

@ArminKrauss 4 дня назад

Brilliant

@YourCapyBro_windows95_3DPipes 2 дня назад

Lol. Dad punner name checks out

@davidcupples7622 6 дней назад

Trees for the Future implements a very similar "forest garden" approach in subSaharan Africa that engages local involvement

@Targe0 6 дней назад

There are a lot of similar organisations working across Africa and India, all doing similar projects. But they all mostly revolve around teaching the local communities how to restore their own lands so that they can see more benefits from them. Such as more food for themselves and their farm animals. The hardest part for them has been the first generation. As after they can convince that first group to do it, they can then bring other people to see their land and show the results to them in person. As that's one of the biggest ways you sell this stuff to get people on board. But that takes a few years for the results to show enough effects for that to work. Which is why it's good that some of them have been there doing this for years already.

@mikeharrington5593 6 дней назад

I suspect that many "carbon offsets" tree planting projects are not thought thru properly or are used by industrial corporations as a "portfolio" to cheat on their real CO2 emission impacts . So most are probably just glorious financial instruments for trading carbon offsets whether they achieve the carbon reduction or not.

@tmmtmm 5 дней назад

All carbon offsets are cheating because they claim the offset when the tree is planted, there is no obligation for it to actually grow/thrive.

@angrydragonslayer 3 дня назад

I've been in the offset market, you basically can't find any legit credits without knowing someone on a project.

@poposterous236 2 дня назад

@@angrydragonslayer are you saying that people are encouraged to be in kahoots, that corruption is more likely? because that's what it sounds like

@angrydragonslayer 2 дня назад

@@poposterous236 i don't think there's any encouragement going on I just think they saw the profit they could reap from making fake cheap credits

@lifeless9768 6 дней назад

I'm finding it difficult to describe how thankful I am for all the work that you're putting in to make the science on climate change accessible to so many people. It is such a shame that the youtube algorithm seems to prefer lower quality content nowadays. Please, keep it up!!

@TheSaltyAdmiral 6 дней назад

What I don't understand is why so many of these projects fail for reasons a simple Google search could have prevented, it's often well known reasons that should be obvious to anyone even remotely familiar with this kind of work.

@GusOfTheDorks 6 дней назад

For the same reason that we know climate change is a massive grift. Its the government. They are that stupid and greedy.

@bagoftrix616 6 дней назад

Because you're assuming that the goal of these organisations is actually to help the climate when in reality the goal is just to be able to say they planted a bunch of trees Businesses and rich individuals use charity to launder their reputations, and they want to have big impressive sounding statistics about large numbers of trees planted that they can point to to show everyone how beneficent they are, they don't care about whether it's actually doing any good Even small scale donors are attracted by big numbers more than nuance, so even a well meaning charity will find itself pressured to provide big numbers over providing real solutions Government programs have the same issue - politicians fund things that give them big headline statistics that they can brag about, they don't want meaningful change that takes longer to explain

@RobinTheBot 6 дней назад

The decision makers are investors. The experts are fine print in an email to those investors. It's really that simple.

@lihns 6 дней назад

Colonialist hubris lol

@tissuewater 6 дней назад

@@bagoftrix616 I would give them the benefit of the doubt of being uninformed as I was before this video, regardless of result and motive at least they've actually done something they thought might help with the issue of climate change. Knowing is half the battle, but let's not undervalue the other half.

@benmcreynolds8581 5 дней назад

Born raised in Oregon a lot has been replaced with Douglas fir. Mass areas of Only Douglas fir trees.. It's irritating how much that's taken over. What makes it worse is we don't have a organized system of timber management. They just cut down areas and replace it with fir trees. Creating monocultures all over. We need designated zones that rotate timber yields instead of just randomly cutting down flourishing habitats and replacing it with only fir trees all over the state.. We gotta balance the importance of timber and the importance of our unique temperate rain forests and the importance of wetland habitats

@m0nkEz 2 дня назад

Monocultures are generally the natural state of forests. A bigger issue to forestry management is fire suppression. Most North American ecosystems evolved in tandem with controlled burning (thus the proliferation of fire-adapted trees like oaks and douglas firs).

@Dragrath1 День назад

@@m0nkEz No I don't think you can say monoculture is the "natural state" for most forests if anything it is the opposite yes you generally will have one or two dominant species but plant communities change over time in relation to herbivory disease the presence or absence of commensal species and of course fire among other things leading to processes like ecological succession. Additionally forests feature different plant communities adapted to variations in the soil and hydrology of an area within a forest. You are right about the role of fires but I don't see the evidence to support a claim that most forests are monocultures as nature is also quite effective at punishing monocultures long term due to ecological vulnerabilities. There does appear to be a link between the age of a forest ecology and its biodiversity the older a given forest ecosystem has existed under fairly stable conditions the more biodiverse it generally is assuming ecological niches aren't vacant due to human actions(as had happened over much of the world) It should also be noted that from records such as lake sediment records and pollen fossils we have some evidence that plant communities haven't always looked like they do now. For example La Brea records show that there was a drastic floral transition during the Bølling-Allerød which corresponds to massive charcoal rich lake sediment layers. Notably the change showed a major loss in plant biodiversity leaving generally only fire dependent species within the pollen record and this plant diversity is also where the Pleistocene megafauna suddenly vanish from the tar pit fossil record. Human controlled burns from that timeframe on seem to have largely replaced the niches of the now extinct megafuana which parallels similar trends seen with the arrival of humans to another ecologically human naive continent greater Australia around 40,000 years prior. In essence megafauna and plant community diversity dropped after humans arrived but full collapse/extinction it seems likely occurred during an interval of climatic change at least in NA where the record of transition is better preserved. In summary the modern forests of NA had/have coevolved with humans from the Bølling-Allerød to the present at least in California so the lack of species diversity might be better attributed to the recent timing of such a transition as well as human selective pressures, i.e. people liked certain trees more than others and promoted the ones they preferred. Frankly this kind of longer term ecological analysis is quite understudied and data deficient.

@troyclayton 5 дней назад

Tree planting 'schemes' often fail because the trees chosen for planting are climax species (or economically valuable), rather than early succession species that support the web of life that makes crap work- or they just aren't taken care of. The number planted is the important part, right? Kinda like how investing in corporate stock used to be a decades long way to make money. Now, it's all about the flip. I digress.

@Targe0 6 дней назад

That main thing people forget is that we have a carbon debt of about 200 ish years that we need to deal with. So we need to cut our emissions to stop adding to that debt, but we also need to start paying off that debt with things that will help repair the global ecosystems and climate. We can't just plant some trees and walk away, as ask any farmer how well their crops will do if they just sowed their seeds and walked away. Sites of replanting need to be monitored and cared for, for years. As most trees in damaged areas will be at risk of dying for at least 10 years. As it can take that long for their presence to properly help restore a depleted ecosystem to the point, they can be left to nature. It also allows for most trees to reach reproductive maturity, which is needed if you want a site to be self-perpetuating. So we need to do full ecosystem regeneration in a lot of sites. Which is why the places seeing the best results are the ones that get the local communities involved and teaches them just how beneficial these practices can be for their way of life.

@danilooliveira6580 6 дней назад

there is not enough available land on the planet to plant enough trees to reabsorb all the CO2 we released, we would have to start turning deserts into forests to pay our CO2 debt with planting trees, but that would just destroy different ecosystems in the process. not even if we turn all our farms back into forests we would go back to pre-industrial levels, since the CO2 we released was trapped underground. sadly, if we want to go back to the holocene optimum, we will need CO2 capture technologies or strategies that actually work and are not just a scam. otherwise we will have to accept the climate we have now is our new reality and stop all CO2 release to make sure it won't get worse.

@YourCapyBro_windows95_3DPipes 5 дней назад

@@danilooliveira6580 nah I have to disagree. Of course we should do our best to stop all further emissions, but I also believe it's very vital to continue with rewilding and re-greening processes. We will learn from our mistakes along the way.

@danilooliveira6580 5 дней назад

@@YourCapyBro_windows95_3DPipes yes, we should, but not as an effort to combat climate change, we should do it to restore ecosystems and protect biodiversity. The only thing that can stop climate change now is getting rid of fossil fuels, we shouldn't plant trees expecting to help climate change in any way.

@YourCapyBro_windows95_3DPipes 5 дней назад

@@danilooliveira6580 that's true.

@gehwissen3975 5 дней назад

"This is the fastest climate change in earth history" (IPCC 2019 special report) This info should be enough - to end this sugar talk.

@sammyjones8279 6 дней назад

This is a good video about researching *all* forms of donating to charities. No matter how good the end goal, researching the path to get there is *important*

@fewbronzegames 2 дня назад

yeah that was my main problem with team trees, team trees just seemed to be planting in areas that didn't really need large scale replanting, the amazon rainforest should be the main target of replanting but only once the problem causing massive deforestation there in the first place can be at least mostly solved

@aenorist2431 5 дней назад

The best area to plant trees is in cities. Extreme cooling effect, air quality improvement and so much more, its regularly a keystone project.

@Respectable_Username 5 дней назад

I've been following and more recently become a member of Mossy Earth who, rather than focusing on tree planting for tree planting's sake, instead focus on finding key interventions that help with rewilding in general, particularly focusing on local keystone species. That more wholistic approach to ecosystem restoration really appeals to me and feels like the thing we'll need more of to reverse the damage humans have caused to so much of the environment!

@AxelSpinnet 2 дня назад

Same! Big fan of Mossy Earth's work, and the content they produce is very fascinating.

@Marsmellow492 2 дня назад

It is also great that they follow up on their projects

@anthonyj7989 5 дней назад

I come from Australia, and I have planted all sorts of trees, including mangroves. You are right in what you are saying. Many of the planting I have been involved in - have failed. I find that government departments are only interested in how many trees that have been planted and not how many trees have survived. What I now am trying to do in the locations that I plant trees in is only plant a small number of trees and look after them (this is not always achievable because government departments like big community tree planting events). Also, I do not plant trees in bushland that I am working in if the area only needs the weeds removed (this is also not always possible because some people think that you must plant trees when you are doing a restoration project in bushland). What I have found is that if you have the right people in the tree planting project and you know the problems you are going to have and know how to address them all, tree planting can be very rewarding.

@tmmtmm 5 дней назад

I'm from Melbourne and the places that desperately need more trees are around suburban businesses and residences, particularly new ones. The lack of greenery and amount of hardscaping in new housing estates is depressing. Little boxes all in a row with everyone inside and cranking their A/C's 24/7 - this is not how we reduce emissions. If they have any greenery it's just a lawn and sometimes that is fake plastic turf. The average person hates trees and thinks that anything over a few meters tall is 'big'. They are afraid they will fall on their house in their sleep or something... A one in 20 year storm rolled through several months back and took out a lot of trees and branches. I still hear chainsaws regularly probably because people are removing trees in their yards that survived the storm but they are now afraid of. People also hate native trees because "they drop branches and look messy". I've had people tell me that the native "wattle" trees (actually bottlebrushes and paperbarks..) are the cause of their hayfever when it's probably wind pollinated non-native trees and grasses that are causing it. The councils plant non-native trees because that is what people expect/want. When the council plants native trees (or refuses to remove them), people seem to think the council is trying to oppress the residents or something. I have seen residents rip out a newly council planted native tree on their nature strip and replace it with some horticultural atrocity instead because they are afraid that "it will grow too big and drop too many branches and leaves". There needs to be a culture change.

@grandmothergoose 5 дней назад

I'm in the outback and I've seen a few tree planting disasters around my area. Trees that are native, but not locally native, and not suitable for the local climate, they die and people wonder why. Feral goats are a bigger problem than lack of water when it comes to trees not surviving. Not to mention the amount of climate credit scamming that goes on out here where no one is going to bother checking on it, people claiming to plant new trees and if they are checked on years later, they claim they planted trees that were already there, and no one cares so long as they get to show off their carbon credits. To offset the carbon of just one person would require anywhere between hundreds to tens of thousands of trees depending on exactly how one wants to calculate it and what they take into account. There's just not enough viable land to plant enough trees to counteract us all. I love trees and will be planting a couple of dozen in my little property in the coming years, but ultimately when it comes to what living organisms have the best chance to save us from ourselves, I'm cheering for team phytoplankton. Nevermind the trees, protect the oceans and waterways.

@tmmtmm 5 дней назад

@@grandmothergoose the irony is that the world will survive climate change. Humans are going to extinct a few species in the process but nature will bounce back afterwards - after humans extinct themselves.

@Jackhatfieldfreediver 21 час назад

I'm in Sydney not just tree planting but coastal bush regeneration work In alot of places is always failing. All the effort for the initial work and barely any followup so within a year it's almost like it never happened

@tarrotpatch 12 часов назад

@@tmmtmmSeconded; we have a lot of empty developments in western Sydney that are *piping* hot in summer because of the complete lack of street trees (and because the roofs are all painted black. which idiot thought black roofs in Australia was a good idea?) I'm also studying ecology and the weed removal is honest to god the biggest pain in my arse. If I never see another thorny asparagus again it will be too soon.

@lordgigenshtain 6 дней назад

hmmm. we should expand seagrass meadows... its a pretty good idea. fog gang out.

@simontillson482 5 дней назад

Yep. So many good outcomes from having more seagrass in coastal waters. Absorbs excess nutrients, provides food for endangered animals, reduces silt loss, creates a habitat for baby fish, crabs and beneficial worms, bacteria and other recyclers, and oh yes, absorbs massive amounts of CO2 and reverses the spread of dead zones. Did I forget anything?

@deepbluetree 2 дня назад

Sadly just trying to protect them and keep them alive seems pretty hard 😢 Here in Norway they always lose to a sea port there and a local production plant here. They are mostly protected but money and local jobs in small districts always win out. The result is the seagrass beds bit by bit disappearing

@lordgigenshtain 2 дня назад

@@deepbluetree in Croatia people remove them so they sand have sandy beaches, so more tourists arrive.

@deepbluetree 2 дня назад

@@lordgigenshtain that is honestly just depressing 😔 And probably Norwegian tourists are partly to blame

@lordgigenshtain 2 дня назад

@@deepbluetree mostly Germans 😅

@laletemanolete 6 дней назад

Simon, can you do a video on start ups such as Mossy Earth or Planet Wild? Do you think they are honest? Do you think their work actually restores the environment?

@davidcupples7622 6 дней назад

Climate scientist Sabine Hassenfelder recommends Planet wild and imo M Earth is just as good.

@MrDesmondPot 6 дней назад

@@davidcupples7622I believe she is a theoretical physicist and a RU-vidr, not a climate scientist. She is a scientist who occasionally makes videos about climate, not a climate scientist.

@Targe0 6 дней назад

Most of what they do is to give money to since based projects that already exist that just need extra funding. And they are also fairly upfront about where their funds go. Unlike a lot of similar projects. So I think they can actually be trusted. Especially since they continually revisit their project sites and provide updates on them. Meaning they are doing quality long term monitoring, which is the most vital part about if a climate eco project is going to work or not.

@HedgeWitch-st3yy 6 дней назад

I agree about Mossy Earth. They also share their failures and what they learn from them and how they correct which I think speaks to their integrity.

@Solstice261 6 дней назад

Mossy earth is fairly open and work on a variety of habitat recovery, not just trees, they also take a lot of scientific counselling so there's that

@noahchars849 6 дней назад

It’s also worth noting that old-growth forests sequester far more carbon than younger trees.

@nightowl6260 4 дня назад

The Chicago area has lost huge numbers of Elm and Ash trees. Too many of the same type of tree were planted in groups and they were easily attacked by fungus and pests.

@bartroberts1514 4 дня назад

Coppicing - The opposite of "Lollipopping", also called "Stooling", where a tree is cut off near the base of the trunk to force cane growth while preserving the root system. Festooning - Bending the main trunk (or lopping off the main trunk so a side branch takes over) to encourage cane growth while preserving the root system. Lollipopping - Removing side branch growth to encourage height and a habit of canopy development. Harvests biomass while making for brighter understorey. Pollarding - Cutting off the trunk above head level (or above level of deer forage) to encourage cane growth while preserving the root system. These methods increase the rate of high quality wood fiber development, though with smaller diameter 'cane' growth up to sixty feet long (or more), easier to harvest and transport, and with engineered wood techniques, pyrolysis, and other methods more generally profitable than lumbering older growth while avoiding senescence.

@SeeNickView 20 часов назад

I think your perspective would be quite valuable to a broader discussion about this topic, especially given the interests of balancing ecosystem flourishing with human exploitation. Once again, old growth forests are affirmed to be ever important compared to young growth ones.

@bartroberts1514 20 часов назад

@@SeeNickView Old growth forests are of course vital niche ecosystems which need appropriate interconnection. This complicates the nuanced discussions needed to produce meaningful plans for success in the 98%+ of forests -- like afforestation using scaled up Miyawaki principles and recovered forest farming techniques -- when people come to the table only with confrontation and blame.

@obansrinathan 13 часов назад

I hadn't heard of festooning or lollipoping before so thanks. Historically British woodland was mostly heavily managed by coppicing and pollarding so it would be very interesting to see these forestry techniques more used again.

@bartroberts1514 6 часов назад

@@obansrinathan Imagine if these techniques spread to the woodlands of North America, of Russia, heck to any LDC where they might keep forest diversity higher and conserve wilderness for the wild while such agroforestry gives you all the VOCs and cellulose you need to replace fossil trade with renewable, secure, clean, ecosystem-sustaining energy and materials.

@merpie1017 5 дней назад

Like a minute and a half into this video, I started seeing the numbers in parenthesis in the corners of the video. I checked the description and saw all the sources in order and I instantly subbed. This stuff needs to be more common!

@rmcnally3645 3 дня назад

I love Mossy Earth because they check every one of the boxes of "Support Organizations That..." which are listed in this video ✌🏻

@joshgoodman9186 6 дней назад

I was working in New Zealand restoring native wetlands and waterways with a good mix of plants. Good survival rates and helped keep waterways clean as the waterways were fenced off which was probably the most important part.

@brotherlucker 6 дней назад

Id love to hear your take on mossy earth - from what i have seen they are well researched and very transparent.

@Targe0 6 дней назад

Yeah, they are very upfront, especially when a project doesn't work out. Which fortunately doesn't happen very often because they do their research and don't do anything overly ambitious. As most of their projects tend to be, let the natural system of the area do its thing and just help to stop what ever is preventing it from doing that. Like putting up fencing to stop things like deer eating all the saplings. Or bringing in seeds to an area that no longer has a natural seed bank to draw from. And then, unlike so many less than great projects, they actually stick around and keep checking on the progress for months to years. And they also don't hyper focus on a single location or country but diversify their sites to wherever a good opportunity presents itself.

@lilcrowlet1802 6 дней назад

Making use of that yogs connection for a nice set, very cool

@camicus-3249 6 дней назад

who knew bricks could be so recognisable?

@Targe0 6 дней назад

Likely the most professional thing to ever happen on that set.

@medium-unit-onbreak 5 дней назад

Huh

@jorgecandeias 5 дней назад

Not to mention that in many spots of the planet, tree planting can indeed remove carbon from the atmosphere for a few years, but then the whole thing burns up and there goes the carbon back to the atmosphere.

@theCodyReeder 2 дня назад

Yeah my own tree planting effort failed. only a few of the trees I planted at the ranch made it through the last drought. Ive realized that the climate that the native trees are adapted to has moved to higher elevation and or farther north. So I need to plant different, nonnative, trees if I plant them at all.

@robertbooth3699 5 дней назад

USFS data show that an average of 60% mortality is to be expected in any tree reforestation project.

@janejenkins5137 5 дней назад

One of the things we do here in Wales is just fence off an area so sheep can't get to the saplings, the trees come up naturally.

@tylerwhorff7143 4 дня назад

Planet Wild us doing a lot of really cool climate based projects that tackle specific things rather than slapping some trees in and calling it good

@hananas2 4 дня назад

One organization I really like is Mossy earth, they're on RU-vid as well and they do some really great, well thought out nature restoration projects.

@Reletr 6 дней назад

A really interesting story related to this is the fingerprint video by Vox, which covers this exact this happening in Uruguay. Highly recommend if you're further interested

@Conus426 5 дней назад

oh yay its the jingle jam one! will definitely donate to just dig it again this year.

@narvuntien 5 дней назад

Gondwana link does great stuff here in Western Australia. The issue is there is a lot of tree planting in the state is being funding by Gas exporting companies that basically run the state.

@inregionecaecorum 6 дней назад

I have planted a diversity of species at high density in a location that was formerly neglected waste land, it is doing well.

@amillison 4 дня назад

Really great points. You can't plant trees in isolation. Tree planting needs to be integrated with community economics so locals are incentivized to care for the trees. Here's a massive successful example I documented in South India: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-adTsC7RPlUs.html And here's one in Senegal: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1LCTVO_Y5Rs.html Regarding the albedo effect, you can't just look at trees in the context of global heat reflection. There are localized effects for the people benefitting from the shade directly.

@mr.duck1248 День назад

My plant ecology professor talked about how grasslands are often overlooked in their ability to sequester carbon because they don’t have very many trees. He mentioned how simply planting tons of trees everywhere is not the solution to carbon sequestration, although it is very helpful in certain places whose natural landscapes are forests

@eric2500 6 дней назад

the red zones in regards to the albedo issue seems to be desert or Artcic cold desert.

@LordWhirlin 5 дней назад

There's also the new study about green light evaporating water, which causes a phase change to lower the temperature of the area where the water was evaporated. This may cause cloud cover implications and have broader climate impacts on a meta scale not adequately studied yet.

@insAneTunA 3 дня назад

I think that the Organization called, Mossy Earth is a good organization to support. They check all the boxes. 👍

@robeagleR 5 дней назад

what I'm hearing, It does work ; If we do it carefully and right but we are doing it a tad little bit wrong currently.

@nevisstkitts8264 День назад

13:28 "net cooling" needs to include local cloud effects. These are generally ignored in simpler models, but ground truth verification accounts for clouds. In many areas, increasing tree cover by a significant amount results in increased prevalence of cloud cover. Clouds have reflrctive albedo and increase cooling by shade. Regardless, the solution to long term effects is managed sylviculture, specifically SRF employing C4 trees such as Paulonia. The objective is not native woodland but sustained production with the side benefit of absorbing 12 to 20 times the CO2 that naive tree planting entails. Species selection ensures that cultivation precludes the introduction of invasive organisms. Active management produces economic benefits and reduces risk of long term project failure. A systems approach can eliminate wasteful harvesting methods such as clear cutting.

@jesss5711 День назад

Im someone who works in the environmental restoration industry and have a few things I want to add. Planting projects should always be one of the last few options considered and are usually reserved for sites which need total reconstruction or sites that need assisted regeneration. For example sites that have been previously used for agriculture which now lack the biodiversity of native flora would be a suitable planting site. As stated in the video native plants should always be planted but it can get more in depth. Firstly you would plant species indigenous to that ecosystem (grassland plants into grasslands, coastal species into the coast line). Another step further is to source plants that have been cultivated from local species. Australia has a government website which shows you the range of land where seeds are suitable to be harvested for your particular site (you would not plant a Eucalypt from Canberra in Sydney for example, even if the species can naturally be found in both places). The most effective way to increase biodiversity and restore native bushland is to assist natural regeneration, by removing invasive species periodically so natives are able to thrive, reproduce, and naturally spread. My main issue with mass tree planting charities is that its completely greenwashed and generally lacks any proper planning. They wont have any resources to follow up on planting jobs increasing the mortality rate, as well as no understanding of how ecosystems function naturally. It takes teams of ecologists and plenty of planning from using reference ecosystems, understanding underlying geology, and understanding how the shape of the landscape and hydrology greatly affects what gets planted.

@Spikeba11 3 дня назад

There have been studies that indicate skills are not nearly as transferable as we previously thought.

@HedgeWitch-st3yy 6 дней назад

Carbon cowboys in the US are an interesting project. I know lots of people want an end to meat agriculture but that's not going to happen immediately and some landscapes / soils / ecosystems are strongly connected to the grazing of large herbivores. They promote adaptive, multi paddock grazing and it removes the use of fertilizer, herbicides and pesticides and are seeing the return of native grasses, insects and wild life generally. Connected to a science programme. The removal of the chemical additions reduces the use of fossil fuels. Seems like we need to implement lots of restoration in lots of places that make sense for the local ecosystem and the local population in order for them to stick and then build from there as we see what works. And also not go for massive scale but repeatability.

@ItWasSaucerShaped 6 дней назад

There is no way that something as minor as restoring some grasslands is going to compensate for industrial ranching's enormous carbon impact. 'I know lots of people want an end to meat agriculture but that's not going to happen' I mean, if that's the attitude then there's no point in discussing climate change at all then because if it's not going to happen then we're fucked. It's equivalent to saying, 'I know lots of people want an end to fossil fuel use but that's not going to happen'

@sovietmoose5624 День назад

If its harm reduction its good imo, but if it expands instead of retrofits the industrys land use and/or production, then its not harm reduction.

@boaznash847 5 дней назад

Sad to hear that the Bastin et. al. paper was misleading. I was really excited by that paper.

@ElectricityTaster 6 дней назад

Trees in cities are always good tho.

@bartroberts1514 6 дней назад

Consider Miyawaki Forests for your neighborhood.

@Targe0 6 дней назад

Only if they are the correct type of trees. As not every kind of tree does well in cities and some cities drainage systems aren't compatible with some kinds of leaves. Which can cause them to clog up and cause flooding in a lot of places where that aspect wasn't considered. Some also are too shallow rooting and that causes all sorts of problems in a developed environment. So, like all things, you need to select the right plants for the job.

@danilooliveira6580 6 дней назад

@@Targe0 because nothing can be that easy. sadly, we planned our cities poorly from the beginning.

@DSAK55 6 дней назад

yes, but it does nothing for *Global* Warming

@ElectricityTaster 5 дней назад

@@Targe0 Just sweep up the damn leaves!

@samuelprice538 5 дней назад

This is why I get so annoyed when RU-vidrs who should know better take sponsorship from people like Wren. No amount of offsetting, even when done properly, gives you an excuse to continue emitting your own co2.

@MoonlightWalnut 6 дней назад

So grateful to see you talking about this topic, this is something I always go on about to my friends after studying it briefly at undergraduate and now learning more about it at postgrad!

@fishyerik 4 дня назад

Great video! Funny thing about trees, they tend to grow if they are given the opportunity. So, there's definitely too much focus on the planting part, which isn't even always necessary, and not even always beneficial for long term success. About the change in albedo, I skimmed a bit in that paper, they seem to base the estimates on constant "blue sky" conditions, which seems odd, maybe I got that part wrong. Anyway, the change in albedo can absolutely have a significant warming effect, but it is also more complicated than that. For one thing, trees still sequester carbon, which is very important long term. Also, water that evaporates from the trees can increase precipitation elsewhere, in part where it's very much needed. So trees in areas that has plenty of water can potentially have very significant positive effects on other areas. And then there are all the other aspects, like ecosystem effects, and what happens to the trees, if they are eventually used to replace carbon intensive materials, like concrete, or to produce things like biochar they can have much more positive impact than "just" the carbon they sequester.

@rapid13 3 дня назад

My degrees are in silviculture. First rule of forest management: understand the goal(s) of the landowner. Also, the albedo effect is likely overstated. Young trees make for great CO2 sinks and the overall net is a benefit.

@Yutani_Crayven День назад

So in those red areas, you get warming due to albedo even if you take increased water retention and evaporative cooling into account? You can't have any trees there at all? What are you supposed to do with those areas, then? Just give them up?

@kendrajohnson6535 6 дней назад

Thank you, Simon. Great to hear about Justdiggit.

@lilygreenall2837 6 дней назад

I use Ecosia - they seem pretty legit.

@juliahello6673 6 дней назад

What is the carbon footprint of planting a tree?

@hairforceone2821 5 дней назад

Finally man made puddles make sense. I thought Manchester City Council were just lazy for not doing anything about them, but it turns out they are trying to make Manchestsr a lush green space.

@blueredingreen 5 дней назад

Someone should make a website for laypeople that's a database of charities, where experts evaluate categories of charities and individual charities. That would really help with the whole "do your research" thing, and it could make it easy for people to find charities in the first place. The same could also be said for a database of climate solutions.

@BoringAngler 4 дня назад

Not even done watching and this video has already explained the problem more effectively than 2-3 articles I've read from sympathetic journalistic outlets that were weighed down by jargon.

@AtomicBlohm 5 дней назад

Watching these videos reignites my urge to do something more impactful with my life! I have a background in science but went into consultancy after my PhD, for which I don't blame myself as I needed work and times were hard. But it really doesn't satisfy me, and I'll regret not doing something more.

@RandallSlick 5 дней назад

I've been planting Buddleia, Rhododendron and Japanese Knotweed in my neighbours' back garden and if I say so myself, it's been a roaring success. I may get in touch with Just Dig It with my thoughts and advice.

@YEs69th420 3 дня назад

This comment would send a gardner into a frenzy

@aarononeal9830 6 дней назад

Hi please consider talking about Ecosia they are a search engine that plants trees ( if you see this comment please like it and respond)

@lopis 6 дней назад

Yup. They also do the half circles in many places! And work with the local population!

@aarononeal9830 6 дней назад

@@lopis They do

@aarononeal9830 6 дней назад

@lopis Ecosia deserves alot more attention than it gets

@aarononeal9830 6 дней назад

@@lopis Especially with Google being evil

@eliaspohl5741 5 дней назад

I agree, I have used ecosia for so long now, but I'm honestly skeptical about it..

@FabiWann 6 дней назад

Shoutout to MossyEarth?

@DobrinWorld 6 дней назад

Thank you! ❤

@cookiediangelo8511 22 часа назад

Ok. So I thought this video was about how too many trees causes tsunamis and I was very curious to see how that could happen.

@Thatguy-fp7rh 6 дней назад

What are some thoughts on thr silviculture in Canada? I do it as a summer job and would like to hear some outside perspectives.

@BiggusFroggus 5 дней назад

Is that the set for Games Night? Anyway good video as allways Simon! I hope more people take the time to think before they act

@mariosvourliotakis778 4 дня назад

What do you think about ecosia? Ive been using it for years, and they have a decent track record, but now their planting numbers seem too high after watching this video...

@philrabe910 5 дней назад

I had to visit the fire station for Brisbane CA, nestled in a valley nook of San Bruno mtn. They had two large format old timey photographs of some lumberjacks and a whole hillside covered in giant redwood stumps. Most of San Bruno mtn and the rolling grasslands north of San Francisco used to be forested... I'd love to start putting them back... We have excellent examples of preserved coastal redwood forests. The albedo thing isn't much of a problem- since it's always foggy!! (lol)

@CaptainBlitz 6 дней назад

Ah shit Simon. The title and thumbnail are giving me TeamTrees flashbacks

@anthonycovert9113 5 дней назад

I think that planting tree monocultures and non-native trees is part of the reason. Forests don’t only consist of trees. They include bushes, shrubs, creepers and flowers. Among other plants

@karlrovey 2 дня назад

And in the case of grasslands, trees in general are not native to the area.

@JudgeEomer 3 дня назад

I see a lot of new housing estates being built with areas of trees being planted in this "hit and run" style - basically chucking a load of random saplings into dry soil and doing nothing at all when they're dead before a single house is finished.

@andrew300169 2 дня назад

Not everywhere, around us the new estate has had a few losses but they were replaced and in 14 years it’s become a ‘wood’

@DenjelxD 6 дней назад

Good video! Learned something new. Thank you ^^

@nerdcorner2680 23 часа назад

Out of the 3 points that are controllable, only one of them truly is. A non profit cannot force the local population to care and not cut down the trees. They also cant really monitor the trees too much due to how they get their funding. Would u rather donate to an organization that moniters trees and tree health or one that plants 1,000,000 trees? Once the million trees are planted, they held up their end and must move onto planting more trees to continue funding and support. It really is the best system we can really do, and isn’t harmful because no possible to accomplish in reality ulternative is better

@henryharris7745 5 дней назад

Love the work mate, I get educated a lot on some of these important issues

@bakerfx4968 6 дней назад

On the albedo topic, does snow plowing whole parking lots and giant highways in the winter change the albedo enough to have an effect?

@Targe0 6 дней назад

When you combine across all of the roads in places that get snow around the world, then yeah, it likely would have a significant but distributed impact. As when you add it all together, that is a massive area that would no longer be reflecting light and heat as effectively.

@adityabaghaswara534 4 дня назад

What I think is that, you need preparation first cause each plants or trees has its own preferable or should I say optimal growth from its external factor, such as soil and also climate. I think better preparation is needed such as doing research on what sort of plants or trees that could grow in your own area. We could also assessing the type of soil to indicate whether is it good or not to plant a certain type of trees in a certain area

@noahhosking495 5 дней назад

I actually have a bit of experience working in the field planting mangroves in Malaysia! We went with uni (from Australia) and worked with an NGO call the Global Environment Centre. You really hit the nail on the head with this vid!!!

@bartroberts1514 6 дней назад

Look to Project Drawdown's Climate Solutions 101 Roadmap, and where biomass afforestation fits. Overlooked too much is the cost of methane from anaerobic decay of plant matter. If you're planting trees (or anything), harvest before it rots, to avoid more methane emission as well as to divert markets from fossil emitting products.

@brettgoldsmith9971 6 дней назад

This is a really good and nuanced video. The target audience is current and frequent donors to climate causes. I am sure it will confuse a few people, but I doubt the algorthim so good at putting people in bubbles will show this to too many climate skeptics. Anyone disagree?

@pokemon42jodeldodel97 3 дня назад

Great video! Thanks

@Raggart 6 дней назад

Loving the new studio!

@rivermundcatradora7061 5 дней назад

I love the information in this video, especially since I have a feeling I can use some of the tree restoration papers linked for something I'm working on at the moment -- I live in the Philippines, and fairly close by is a watershed whose level of forestation has fluctuated over the years -- but I also love recognizing the studio where the Justdiggit representative was being interviewed xD

@ArthurBurston-lm9oj 2 дня назад

Fascinating work

@rjdverbeek 4 дня назад

Maybe the next time a video on "When clickbait titles hurt the climate"?

@aboutjulian 5 дней назад

Amazing video !

@kanoaika 6 дней назад

Yes! More people need to know about this stuff. People need to know that you don't get out of these kinds of problems with lazy mass production of trees so you can list big numbers, the only solutions that will really work in the end are the ones that take the time to observe and adapt to the needs of the local people and environment. Everything here is fundamentally about systems and you will have a low chance of being able to improve anything long term if you don't understand systems. Mimicking the superficial form of a desired natural system and expecting it to become a properly functional self sustaining one (i.e. to be alive) is as futile as trying to make a living person by haphazardly sticking together body parts (and that is a generous one because most of these people don't even get the right parts): the parts without the working system are doomed. The projects that I see do the most good are the ones that are based on permaculture style principles. They focus working with the local population to find systemic solutions that not only fit the local environmental conditions and land, but crucially uplift and directly benefit the local people in highly tangible ways. It is only when the the people around value and know how to protect and manage things to work with the environment that you get a natural system that will last and benefit us and the world around us. In addition to project mentioned in this video, another very large scale, properly oriented, and successful project is being done by the Paani foundation in India (www.paanifoundation.in/) who has been working to mobilize, teach, and organize tons of local people across rural areas from thousands of villages in parts of India to build enormous numbers of water harvesting structures. They have been able to help thousands of villages solve their own water issues by training them to build water harvesting structures (they didn't have enough for the year and wells, their primary source, were drying up because monsoon rains were mainly going as runoff to the ocean rather than recharging the ground water well). Then after they solve the water issue, they build upon it helping lead projects to manage grasslands for grazing, establish well adapted trees in a way that helps the people and environment, manage soil in sustainable ways for their agriculture, while seeking to increase all families income as they go by teaching them sustainable farming/land management practices. The effects of their projects are clear as they have worked on building systems that regenerate the environment while helping the people (for instance it allows them to stay there all year curbing mass migration to and from mega-cities driven by water scarcity, increased food yields, and brought back wildlife that had not been present for years). This is the kind of stuff people need to be doing; mindlessly tossing money at these kinds of problems it not the way to solve them. There are lots of other similar projects on many different scales. For people who want to see some of these, Andrew Millison (www.youtube.com/@amillison) has a channel that features many of them from around the world.

@pipertripp 6 дней назад

Definitely interesting and highlights, once again, how there is no simple solution to our global problems.

@hattielankford4775 6 дней назад

Well done, sir.

@--sql 6 дней назад

Simon, have you seen Shaun Overton on youtube? He's trying to turn a wasteland in Texas into a desert forest. Pretty neat project.

@shawnsg 6 дней назад

Perfect example of problematic.

@--sql 6 дней назад

@@shawnsg Is Shaun Overton problematic?

@nedheywood6125 6 дней назад

@@shawnsgNot problematic. He's trying to restore a desert forest that was already there in the past.

@shawnsg 6 дней назад

@@--sql it's an example of trying to turn "fix" something by planting trees.

@shawnsg 6 дней назад

@@nedheywood6125 it wasn't a "desert forest" whatever that actually means.

@--Paws-- 5 дней назад

2:02 Also the fact that saplings need shelter from too much exposure. Some plants are not as tolerant of the environment, ironically and will bake under the sun, dry out from the wind, etc. Forests are a gift that keeps on giving in which taller plants protect or take the brunt of the weather and other effects away from the growing sapling. Of course not all plants are as sensitive yet it seems many who plant such plants don't take in to account such factors.

@sebastianjost 5 дней назад

Saw this video twice, with different thumbnails. Definitely preferred the one showing the grid-like forest. It clearly illustrated a problem.

@caine7024 5 дней назад

Really enjoyed this video! That charity seems brilliant

@nicklittle8399 4 дня назад

Reforestation is as much a social challenge as it is a logistical one. When companies neglect that, we see failure.

@shivammahajan303 6 дней назад

That was quick! I liked your guide on the last video. Keep up the good work! After watching this video, I think much of it can be done with local planning and feedback to a body of experts, like a council, with a planned goal set at the start by them. It could be like a set of five-year plans, but for the environment.

@dcfromthev 2 дня назад

You should do a detailed video on what average people can do to lower their emissions. And not just focus on fossil fuels but also agriculture, food systems, and other proactive solutions that are far less discussed on this topic. Thanks for your work it is important!