Where Does Nikola Jokic Rank All-Time? 

Exactly he forgot to take in account his horse racing

Oh that's definitely top 5

I think that boosts his stock as an nba player as well. I don’t think LeBron or Jordan’s Horse Efficiency Rating is anywhere near Jokic’s

I’m honestly shocked he can ride a horse. I think he would be like the same size of a horse😂😂😂

Pretty bad, there’s a reason he hasn’t quit his day job yet.

I could see him being a top ten center. If he keeps it up, maybe firmly top five among the position.

​@@gibrancamusAnd your basketball card is comfortably in question then lol

@@fortynights1513he’s easily already a top 10 center. You cannot seriously name 10 centers that are legitimately better than him all time

@@gibrancamusI love Jokic but off the bat I can name 10 greater players. MJ, Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Olajuwon, Russell, Wilt, Steph, LeBron. Not saying Jokic will never be top 10 but he’s still got a long way to go.

Never. Sorry.

Lol embiid gonna be watching their rivalry from the bleachers

@@MrE_ He's too weak (personality wise) and seems to care more about personal rewards than championships. As soon as he got that MVP he checked out

That mvp is going down as an alltime snub.

I'm pissed that embid got that MVP over jokic, voters fatigue is stupid AF if the person earned the MVP vote for him

@@HummingbirdCyborgEmbiid is the ONLY MVP IN HISTORY to never make it past the 2nd round. Literally the opposite of a clutch, all time great. The whole racism shit from the (((media))) stole Jokic’s mvp.

Dude had I believe eight straight seasons where he finished top five in the MVP vote in his earlier career.

The most impressive early carear would be Bill Russel one IMO

Ya I got Dunkin over Lebron on my list

I’m glad you realize

@@cappy2282lmao same bro and it's not even close

Yk what I think? Feel like he doesn’t want to waste energy on defense during regular season games and when he feels like doing it he does it. Him not wasting his energy on the defensive end helps him to focus more on the offense

As a staunch Jokic fan since 2017, I have to agree with you. People quickly look at blocked shots, rebounds and sometimes steals as the metrics to define a good defender, but his on-ball defense in the low post and his ability to disrupt passing lanes with his hands and feet (led the league in kicks by a country mile this season) are extremely underrated.

thing is he got labeled as an awful defender earlier in his career and everyone just kept ignoring his improvements, I'm not saying he is a great defender but he is still above average now. Jok doesnt get highlight reel blocks but he does a lot of stuff that doesnt show up on statsheets usually with pass deflections, kicked balls(while its a violation its a good defensive play because it resets the offense) + he led big men in steals for what feels like a few seasons now. Even draymond said he improved vastly as a defender over the last few seasons.

​@@thughunter627the only thing is the NBA is probably gonna crack down on his kicked balls lol. the way he does it seems like it's gonna be a violation or a tech because he definitely exploits that to make up for his lower footspeed

@@shepardice3775 propably right, but until it happens its still a good play

Dawg hes like top 25.

Top 75? I can easily argue he is at least where GIannis is and people always put Giannis in top 30. I would put him over Giannis as he has easily had LESS help and underperformed less often (never, while Giannis is constantly loosing series he is favoured in) in PO.

​@@dumb5461 Nah nah nah. Hindsight is 20/20. Don't talk like nothing changed. He wasn't even picked in the All-star draft. You have no idea about the disrespect unless you remember.

@@whocares3201 Nah nah nah. Hindsight is 20/20. Don't talk like nothing changed. He wasn't even picked in the All-star draft. You have no idea about the disrespect unless you remember.

@@jooyichen >taking anything from the all star game serious

And EDP😂😂

If you listened to what his agent in Serbia said about him in the interview with Matt Barnes you would know he is so passionate about winning, but he just doesn't show it to the outside, kinda like Tim Duncan.

You honestly think he doesn’t work his ass off and have insane discipline and just happened to become back to back mvp and finals mvp? Being humble and downplaying your own achievements is of his good character, but it doesn’t mean that those achievements are actually meaningless to him. Anyone who’s an adult with any bit of life experience would know how much dedication and effort someone like jokic puts in on a day to day basis to be where he’s at.

@@sheyarjames4904 yeah it's weird, the guy was still an all star and demanding a hefty contract in 2018-19 when he wasn't in great shape. I don't think a guy would have worked as hard as he did to be in the shape that he is and improve as much as he did if he didn't care about winning. I feel like he cares about winning but doesn't care about the recognition or the fame.

@@metalflames4 I’m not trying to say he doesn’t care at all or anything wild like that, but I mean the guy clearly isn’t Kobe as far as his NBA goals and dreams are concerned, you know? I just feel like he has other things in his life that mean a lot more to him.

He is not interested in materialistic rewards, he thrives in feeling of a team achievement and he wants to have great history and things to look back on when he finishes his carrier as he said himself.

its no debate. and never will be. joker is simply too much better.

@@hoebertrabeck1621 Jokic is much better on offense while Giannis takes the defensive side with ease. Giannis has the better resume currently. Both brought championships to the teams that drafted them that hadn't won anything in at least 50 years (Nuggets never). It is absolutely a debate that Giannis currently holds a slight edge in.

@@reillyhopf6508 better resmumee? just stop. what historic stuff has giannis done? oh wait nothing. while jokic is a basketball phenom. its no debate and never will be. joker is way too talented. if it wasnt for perk playing the race card jokic would have 3 straight mvps... yeah.. giannis has a better resumee... come on.. do you even remotely know what you are talking about?

@@hoebertrabeck1621 How is it so hard to comprehend this? Same MVPs, chips, and FMVPs. Giannis has more all NBA, all star, a DPOY, a MIP, and all NBA defensive team selections. Jokic is missing three parts of his resume that Giannis has and he has less of stuff relating to longevity.

@@reillyhopf6508 its hard to comprehend because jokic is simply better at everything besides defense. and even there he is elite. giannis has more arm strength.. yeah.. and what else? giannis is a bad leader (see euros). giannis acts childish if things dont go his way. he isnt even remotely close to the joker. how much awards are worth can easily be seen with embiid. gets his mvp because of jokics "lack of playoff success" and yet he is the biggest choker in history of the game. if you have the chance to draft giannis or jokic there are 2 possibilities,. you understand basketball and take jokic. or you get blinded by "athletisim" a.k.a muscle tone and choose giannis.

EDP and Epstein killed me lmfao

8:03 how does giannis have the same or more accolades than Dirk amd Garnett, yet he's ranked in the 40s while those two are top 20?

@@MrE_ he literally said that he made this list before Giannis won the finals. so i would assume that in the new list he is probably top 20.

@@MrE_ List was made prior to Giannis's championship run.

there is no such thing as opoy's so jokic sadly doesnt have that award, why do yall hang onto stupid media awards??? If the nba made up opoy awards jokic would have an absurd amount of them, BOTH have 2 mvps, and 1 fmvp, those are the awards that matter

@@retna1x363 I'm pretty sure Giannis would have an absurd amount of "OPOY" as well. Let's not forget his run during his MVP seasons.

Damnit I thought i made the joke first

top 10 peak i would agree but top 20 all time?? dude every single player at top10-20 has 20k total pts jokic only has 12k how is that even close??

​@@loveorwar6573jokic had one the best 3 year run bro... Look at the stats...

​​@@angahbg9089 mean he said he agreed with top 10 peak - which raw numbers wise he is, advamved statistics hes a top-3 peak GOAT. As for top-20 his issue was those guys total resumes, but obviously hes only 28 and just hit his prime a year or two ago, and guys dont even slow from their peak peak until like 30 or 31. Jokic is gonna break some huge records man, guy is absolutely nuts. Crszy to think he was a bench role player like 6 seasons ago 😂

Funny how jokic wasn’t talked about before but after one playoff series he’s in the top 10

@@revenge8215 yup top 10 all time.. like wtf we are talking about all time and if you compare jokic total stats it wont even get half of the top 10 great centers of all time.. recency bias really blinds people.. wake up jokic only has 12k total pts and 6k rebounds thats not even top 30 all time player

@@loveorwar6573 agreed man it gonna be kids and teen

@@revenge8215 what’s the argument that guys like Ewing, Chris Paul, Iverson, etc, are better? Jokic has a better resume than all three of those guys.

@@crackswareg135 you could actually make an argument they all are ring-less but top 10? No way

Statistically: His shooting is dirk's but SLIGHTLY worse his passing is magic-tier his defense is... moving on his post moves are like hakeem his rebounding is like shaqs tho really, he's not like any of them. he's just jokic.

Ngl he aint hes his own monster

On offence, he is slightly worse Hakeem, Duncan, Magic and DIrk but all at once.Defence, I can't think of another unathletic smart center defender. Maybe Marc Gasol but way worse

@nkosiamakosi7078 Yeah but he was 7'4, Jokic is 6'10-6-11' can't really compare. Think Marc Gasol is best comparison, they both have big bodies and know how to use it and position themselves and swipe at balls for steals

@@Eli-dx2no slightly worse shooting?? dude dirk is one of the best mid range shooter in NBA and its not even close.. you can say he has higher FG% and true shooting just because he play much more closer to the rim but saying he is slightly worse than dirk is a strech.. check dirks midrange shooting and compare it to jokic.. its not even close

Also EDP.

My biggest issue was Dr J behind Westbrook tbh

Yeah Rusty said he’s more of a historian now. Maybe he’ll correct that on his updated list.

truth but to be honest, jokic is probably going to pull a curry and prove that his all-rounded offensive game is basically so good it balances out his defensive 'weaknesses' (which is dubious, since he's more defensively neutral)

DPOY argument is so fkin dumb it is actualy insane at this point. If there was "offensive player of the year", Jokič would win it every season last 3 years at least. Giannis never would. And individual offense over individual defense. Jokič achived the same in less time with worse supporting cast around him. Add to that the fact that Giannis constantly underperforms in PO (loses series he is heavily favoured in) while Jokič never has so far...

@@whocares3201 while i do wholeheartedly agree with u on jokic being better than giannis, its impossible to deny that giannis has a better resume atleast for now. I expect that to change soon but all time as of now, giannis is just a spot above jokic.

​@@whocares3201giannis has the better resume. DPOY an MVP in the same season. Let's not Let Recency Bias.

Jokic isn't a great defender, he simply isn't a liability anymore.

I don’t understand how people get the idea that he isn’t putting in hella work. Yes he treats basketball like a normal job, but he seems like he wants to be pretty damn good at doing it. He went from obese, barely being able to sustain 20 mins of play, to having high ass usage rate and out pacing everyone at the end of every game. His fitness has dramatically increased over the years, and is probably the main reason he has exploded as a star.

definitely top 5. people be sleeping

no shot. he's not ahead of Wilt, Kareem, Mikan, MJ, Magic, Bird, Russell, Dr. J or Steph. heck, put Garnett on the Spurs and Duncan on the sorry Wolves, who has more rings? I'm not even convince TD is the best PF all-time. strong arguments for Malone, Pettit, Garnett and Giannis (although Giannis definitely slid down the list after being terrified of the ball in an elimination game)

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@uberneanderthalou sound so biased. Magic had Kareem and vice versa Bird had mchale parish MJ had Scottie and Rodman Wilt literally got whooped multiple times Like everyone you named had help so why is Tim penalized? “If Kevin Garnett” I could give an hypothetical statement too. Tim is the best power foward in basketball there isn’t a if about it tim Duncan made the spurs not the other way around.

@@uberneanderthal Why are you just pulling random names out of nowhere? No one on planet earth thinks that Mikan or Dr J belong in the top ten while Duncan is a consensus top 10. Wilt- Less chips, less longevity, worse leadership, and a worse playoff performer. He is the most statistically dominant player in the history of the sport but when it comes to winning, who won more? Kareem- Nobody thinks Duncan is ahead of Kareem. MJ- Nobody thinks Duncan is ahead of MJ. Magic- Arguable but I'd take the guy who helped keep his team in playoff contention for 20 years over the guy who made a personal mistake and had to retire early. Bird- Arguable, but Bird's career is also too short for my liking. Russell- I actually I agree with this despite many people believing Russell is overrated. I value leadership and sacrifice as one of the most important things in basketball, especially when it leads to winning, and who did that better than Bill Russell? If Russell had been just a good, not great, offensive force, he'd be the greatest of all time in my book. If you were to put Garnett on the Spurs, they do not succeed the same. Duncan's amazing ability as a leader and his ability to take what Pop threw at him and act as an example to everyone on the team is what made the Spurs so successful, it was not by the individual play where Duncan and Garnett aren't that separated.

@@Nick-sr4feagic had an older Kareem for some of that time, but point taken.

top ten?? 12k pts 6k rebounds and 3k assist?? if thats the standards today then we really should think about flat earth

@@loveorwar6573 he's easily in the top ten of players I've ever seen. I've seen a lot. he's a remarkable player. use your eyes not his stats at 28

Bro, chill, some people still can't accept Steph is top 10 (he is) and he has more rings than Jokic even if you don't wanna count the KD years (which is stupid cause you have multiple cases of two top 10 all time players winning multiple rings together). Top 20-25 is fine for Jokic for now.

@@Luca-yb4sh we wait til his career is over for his career stats and number of rings. not his level of play. I can't think of any other player who could do everything he does at the level he does it. there certainly isn't ten of them

That’s what I thought too. It was the same with Giannis after he won. People seem to have a problem with guards other than Jordan being in the top 10 haha. Just look at Curry’s resume, if he’s not top 10, he’s 11th.

Somehow, this seems right. I hope to see Luka find his way on here if he gets his MVP and ring

No he hasn’t. Disrespect is crazy. If that’s the case, Giannis must also have surpassed KD all time and would be at 13 but no higher than 12 as well. Stop it. Definitely when Jokic’s Career is over he will be in the top 10 and over Durant, but as of right now, definitely not.

@justintejada3243 You're right, Giannis has also surpassed KD all time. I may or may not put Giannis over Jokic all time right now, that's a really close call.

@@sakketinKD is top 15 all time be fr

@@dxey8545 He's top 15 if 50s, 60s and 70s mostly don't count like in a lot of people's lists, in other words only Kareem, Wilt and Russel get a pass for playing in a "weak era". But Giannis and Jokic have already eclipsed KD.

@@justintejada3243as Durant the best player on Golden State in those years?

same lol

He's not the greatest rebounder lol. I'll take Russell and wilt, Moses malone and Pettit over him

Put another couple championships on his resume, and he’d be called that by consensus.

top 10 easily when he retires EASILY

@@EthanIzetahe needs at least 3 rings and 2 finals mvps to enter top 10 like curry but alot has to work out for that to happen

@nkosiamakosi7078 Do u somehow disagree?

You’re just overrating luka and Jokic at this point they’re not surpassing Kareem for best Center or MJ or LeBron as best guard/small forward ever stop it. I don’t even know if they can last 20 years in the league

@dewman7477 You can't even compare Kareem to Jokic or Embiid, for that matter. That's not even fair it was a different time. They had different competition. You're talking about accolades when that doesn't matter. Also, if they both stay healthy, their accolades will outweigh theirs besides rings. Neither one will win more than 3 or 4 rings tops if that with how loaded the nba is now. Also, Luka is way better than Jordan now and Jokic is far more skilled than Kareem and has a higher IQ. Luka has a higher IQ than LeBron. You bring up Jordan when LeBron is far better and more dominant

@@TrePrince you’re just blasphemous omg 😆 I can’t take you seriously when you just called luka better than MJ and Jokic being better than Kareem. Have you heard of defence? Have you heard of consistency and longevity those guys have? That matter a lot too. LeBron is close to MJ but he’s not goat over MJ because he has less peak, less dominance and less accolades like mvps and finals mvps and MJ never choked like LeBron 2011 finals either. Give it up you’re just spewing blasphemous takes for luka and Jokic over MJ and Kareem it’s just disrespectful.

@dewman7477 again I said they "will end up being known as better" in thr yrs to come health permitting but Better doesn't mean accolades I'm talking about if u took all of their skills and weighted each one by how important they are / rare they are and aggregated them Jokic and Luka score is higher than anybody from other ages. I also accounted for the fact that if they were playing now, they would've trained differently. I'm sure Kareem and Jordan would've worked on their 3 point shot more in this age, for example, and maybe Jordan would've shot like 38 % from 3 and Kareem maybe even higher. It's about skill and the other intangibles. Not rings, that's crazy, Luka may never win a ring in Dallas for example. That doesn't disqualify him from being the greatest. It's not even fair to compare different era's even, that's apples to oranges. Players are much faster, stronger, and smarter as far as the game goes. You may be suffering from nostalgia, maybe u think Tupac , Biggie and Nas are the best rappers ever also 😂😂😂

Giannis has been good for longer

man i really hope giannis gets a decent roster around him so we can see both of them face of in the finals and have a back and fourth kinda like shaq and timmy or magic and bird

Jokic on offense is way better though. As much as giannis scores, offenses built around him end up awkward; they have to win through defense. Jokic is waaaay better offensively.

@@jazeroliversy673 and Giannis has the clear edge defensively and has the better resume. They are neck and neck.

Have you looked ever single run ever to determine he had the easiest? or you just trying to put an asterisk on his title(that can be made for ever single title ever?). Not his fault he had the better team by far, he was supposed to tank to the 8th seed so he could face good teams to his title to count?

Or 1.6 if you want to argue that the 1999 MVP isn’t worth quite the same as others (50 games and all).

Don’t underestimate the freak , currently denvers roster is more secure though bucks have decisions to make and giannis may switch scenes in a few seasons

He was given a ring by the Lakers but it's not on his official resume that he is a champion.