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Acho “you can tell Steph story with out the two they won with KD but you can’t tell KD story without Steph” was a mic drop moment.

Putting KD over Steph is just pure hatred . He’s out done KD clearly

To have KD over Kobe🤦🏾‍♂️ man this list is already disqualified

Many retired players and analysts don’t know how important Steph’s gravity and unselfishness is.. Steph’s mindset is to win all means necessary.. that’s either scoring more or being just the gravity.

To have freaking Kevin Durant in the top 10 is criminal. He's proved nothing.

Steph beat the SAME defence that swept KD... And he did it averaging 30. Steph has 2rings WITHOUT the same KD that he "NeEdEd so MuCh." Steph beat KD. (GSW vs OKC). It's impossible to make this an intelligent debate.

What I feel like people be forgetting is the fact that curry put a lot of pressure on the defense to guard him and allowed kd do his iso ball. The best off ball offensive player of all time

while playing together from2016-2019 Steph w/o KD: 27-4 (87.1%) KD w/o Steph: 23-17 (57.7%) Steph w KD: 131-37 (78%) if I speak I am in trouble...

They replaced KD with Andrew Wiggins and won a chip. Case closed

Tmac: “it’s easy to win a ring” Also Tmac: *Has no rings

Curry won with Harrison Barnes at SF, with KD at SF, and with Wiggins at Small Foward. You couldve put PJ Tucker at SF in 2017 and 2018 and Curry and the Warriors would have still won those rings. Curry never needed Durant it was a luxury and Wardell Stephen Curry gifted KD those 2 rings.

Bruh this is the first time i'm listening to ACHO and he's got spot-on takes. He speaks with reason and confidence. I like it

kd in the top 10 is crazy having him over kobe is insane!

steph beat kd when they both had healthy teams in 2016, although the media seems to forget that. kd got swept with a healthy kyrie on his team this year. steph averaged 31 in the finals and now has a fmvp. no way is kd above steph

I like how dude wit the glasses explain himself good point steph most definitely a top 10 💯

I love how Tracy tries to change the argument when faced with the facts that Dray was suspended..lol

Even if you take away Steph's first ring, he still has more rings without KD than KD does without him. Put some respect on Steph's name. He's absolutely top 10.

You cannot please everyone, God bless Steph curry!

I just lost a whole lot of respect for Tracy McGrady! Give Steph his dues! Maybe KD is a bit better player and scorer than Steph, but Curry is the better winner and leader by far!

He’s between 8-10 already. In fact, the only players safe on the list are MJ, Lebron, Magic, and Kareem. Everyone else is at risk of getting passed by Steph during the next few seasons. (1) He’s undeniably the greatest shooter ever. He’s so absurdly good at shooting that, like Acho said, he is as dominant of a player as Shaq was (at least on offense). He’s a freak shooter in the way Giannis is a freak athlete in the way Magic had a freakish basketball IQ; it dictates the entire game. (2) He revolutionized the game ON THE COURT more than anyone in probably a half century. MJ and Lebron did more off the court, but they simply didn’t change the way the game was played on the court at the level Steph has. (3) Unanimous MVP; 2 total MVPs. (4) 4 rings. He was the leader for all 4 of them, he played the best on his team in at least 2 of them.

There's no way you can have Durant over Curry, impossible argument to make as it stands. More Chips, more MVPs and by the numbers, should be even on FMVPs aswell. Perhaps that will change, but as it stands, Curry will go down as a better player.

I stopped watching after I saw KD ranked above Kobe....🤦‍♂️

Not having Wilt in ya Top 10 is crazy & having KD over Kobe is even crazier

Great conversation back and forth. Need more content like this

“Y’all need to stop holding Steph Curry’s greatest ability against him - BECAUSE Y’ALL SELFISH!!” 🧐

KD is as skilled as it gets but when talking about all time ranking, skills alone do not cut it. Hence we have to take into account accomplishments (both individual and team). And at this point, right now, Steph is at least equally as skilled as KD, and at the same time he is much more accomplished than KD. As such, objectively speaking, Steph is without a doubt ahead of KD in all time rankings.

Finally, someone brings up Draymond in Game 5. They're still missing all the injuries though, if we're playing the "Ifs".

What Steph has that all of those 10 Players don't have - The Greatest 3 Pointer ever. - The First Unanimous MVP

Even Ty Lue who was coaching the Cavs said that the primary focus was to contain Steph over KD in those series. Durant will never be as efficient in the playoffs as he was playing with Steph and Klay because he'll never get that much single coverage ever again.

TMac is hurting my feelings so bad. I expect it from Wileys biased self, but not TMac. They are really still saying Steph needs KD to be a champion. You watched this man Steph do it again and they are still delusional.

I just dont see how they can heavily scrutinize steph but give kd a pass 😂 & the nerve to put kd over kobe

Curry makes Looney Wiggins Porter jr and GP2 look like Allstars. He makes everyone better.

Acho DESTROYED Cel in this one. Props my man 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Curry surpassed KD in game 4 of the finals. Warriors was getting dismissed by everyone after game 3. And the fact that KD couldn't even win one game against the Celtics says it all.

KD never lead the team in scoring in the regular season all 3 years he was with the warriors. The more you know

MJ and Steph are best players period, they have made more impact on the game than anyone else.

“KD went there and helped Steph get 2” Uhhhh Magic and Kareem are both top 5 players all time and did it TOGETHER too. Why does a super teammate hurt Steph but not anyone on showtime?

I can’t lie as a rockets fan hearing T-Mac talk more about basketball I understand why he never got pass the second round his basketball skill is off the charts but basketball knowledge is lacking tremendously

Steph doesn’t get enough credit for almost averaging a triple double first finals with KD. That one bad game where he dropped like 8 or 10 is what killed his MVP chances. People make it seem like KD was easily the best player for the Warriors, but it’s debatable

"You all have to stop holding Steph's greatest ability against him." If you want to put in KD, then you might as well put in Allen Iverson and Kyrie Irving: they are all "skilled".

KD can never be over Curry.💯

Putting KD in top 10 already tells me you're absolutely delusional. KD needed Curry, Curry didn't need KD.

I don’t get why some people don’t give Steph credit when is due, the guy literally revolutionize shooting, changed the game doing, has 4 ships several mvps come on man he’s the best shooter of all time even better than bird.

I love this show. Both Wiley and Acho are amazing with their arguments.

Kobe is #10 on Wiley’s list…don’t need to look further at it to know it’s already flawed 🤣

Marcellus straight hating on Steph at this point, he also needs to get KD outta his mouth for once

Cracks me up watching people ignore Stephs greatness due to lack of finals MVP's. 2017 finals: 27 pts, 9 rebs, 8 assists. 2018 finals: 27.5 pts/6.8 assist, 6 rebounds. Those are world class finals performances, all time great stuff, and because he didn't win the MVP, people equate that with choking or not bringing it in the finals. Ridiculous, his numbers were far better, by a mile, than many winners of the finals MVP award in the past. He's cemented as a finals legend. You can look at his rings and his numbers. He's in a microscopic group of amazing performers with that many rings.

Tmac was so amazing, hard to believe that he never even won a playoff series. Granted he didn’t have the best teams but you would’ve thought he could have won a playoff series by himself.

How a dude who got swept with the greatest ball handler is in this conversation is beyond me

Why do they keep saying Golden State is a superteam? They were drafted and we're assembled organically. Steph, Klay and Dray became All-stars because they were winning together.

*Its been a week later and I still can't believe Wiley put KD at number 9... WTF!!*

Yooo no cap that’s a Great list I’ll only switch bird with Duncan 🔥

I finally get Why KD is so loved by media and more so former players who didn't win a titles or those who won titles as bus riders instead of bus drivers... kD is their wet dream, the dude joined a 73-9 team that had a 3-1 lead over LeBron and got called the best player while facing little to no defense, KD the ultimate bus rider to be mistaken as a bus driver in the history of the sport

i love Tmac but former players are to biased on KD . Steph has beat KD , KD never beat him Steph won without KD never did . Why does Steph get heat for the getting KD ,like yall know KD had to leave after he lost to them

Steph has changed the game period.

People forget Steph is also a regular season MVP.

Tmac got 2016 mixed with 2019. Curry averaged 30 in 2019 that would’ve been his mvp if they won and klay didn’t go down

Acho is on point! People gon' learn to put some respek on Chef Curry's name! Steph BEAT KD before he invited him to join him. Steph ALREADY had a ring. KD had ZERO. Now Steph has ANOTHER ring. KD has NOTHING without Curry. And great point... they wanna talk about LeBron not having Kyrie and Love, but they don't wanna talk about Steph losing Draymond! Acho thanks for talking some sense into theses dudes!

Loves these guys, more relatable than skip and Shannon and almost as entertaining, ALMOST JUST A LITTLE BIT

it's impossible to see who's better between 2 players that are mvp calibers in the same team. however, we can see who's better between the two when they're matched up against each other on different teams. and last time they were against each other in the playoffs, curry showed who was the better player.

I’m with you on this Acho.

KD and the Warriors needed each other. People forget how hard the West was that the Warriors went through. And how big a rival the Rockets were to them around that time. So you can argue that the Warriors don't go back to back without KD. However you can also say that Steph has proven he can carry a team to a Championship both before KD and after KD. The same team that shut down KD and swept the Nets, and the slowed down Giannis and took away his efficiency when it mattered, had no answer for Curry who out up all time great numbers and efficiency against them. Acting like Steph still has to "prove" something anymore. Is just hate. Ya'll said he wouldn't get the same open looks without KD and Klay. He went and lead the NBA in scoring. Ya'll said he wouldn't ever win a championship after KD left? He did just that. Ya'll said he couldn't come up big when his team needed it the most in the Finals? He went and did that too. All the slights, Steph has personally disproven. They got nothing left. Which is why they sound like clowns.

Marcellus is absolutely right, you can tell Steph's story without kd but you can't tell kd's story without Steph, I like how they keep saying without kd Steph wouldn't have had 4 chips and yes that's true currently, but if we're going buy present times without any if, if kd didn't join Steph he'd be known more for blowing a 3-1 lead to steph and for getting swept buy the Boston Celtics in the first round a Boston Celtics team that Steph ends up beating in 6 games at their house to win his second ring and first finals MVP and at that point, kd would have no rings no finals MVPs and Steph would have 2 rings and 1 finals mvp

Acho's had the look of shock on his face when Tmac said I like the list. He almost let the my Nixxa slip out 😂😂😂

KD over Kobe!!! Ain’t no way!!! Kobe has far more accolades earned by comparison. Not even close. KD to some has more talent individually but Kobe worked harder, had way better intangibles & that killer/alpha mentality.

Every time I hear these old players talk like that, I remember Steph Curry saying "play the right way." That's something TMac never learned. It's a team effort, not an individual show.

That was actually a great argument by Marcelis

I think the best way to tell who the best basketball players in terms of top 10 players are these: You need to look if he is the engine of the team, if he is the leader of the team and how much of an impact he has on the team's winning multiple championships.

Here's a simple take, when Steph and KD played together, the whole NBA feared Steph more over him. That's why the defense always gravitating over him so that KD can flourish more than any other teams he played with.

Love Acho’s points here. He’s 100% correct. How have we gotten to the point that KD is now greater than Steph when everyone was trashing him originally for being the one to join him in order to win a championship?

i definitely think there are better individual skilled players than Curry, but the way he carried the warriors to a dynasty not just elevating his teammates on the court but elevating a whole franchise is why he deserves a top 10 spot

Y’all gotta have T Mac on more. Yall 3 work great together. And I legit lol’d too much

If Tracy's argument about the Curry's and Durant's story is that Curry is not in top 10 without KD, then KD is not in the top 15 without Steph.

I love these selective criteria for validating an NBA championship. So LeBron's 4 rings are all 100, even though he left to go to Miami and join a top 5 and top 15 player, and then left when they got old to come back to Cleveland, but under the condition that he could team up with Kyrie and Love, and then he moves to LA and has to get AD in order to win a chip in the bubble. How many rings did MJ win without Pippen? Bottom line is that a top 10 list is all about personal preference, and Steph doesn't care what your list is as long as he keeps winning.

Marcellus Wiley is straight comedy with knowledge that's my dude 💯 he's that dude 💯

Strong from beginning to end!!!

Steph Curry is a top ten player, PERIOD!

Did I really just see Kevin Durant over Kobe Bryant? “Best” and “greatest” are 2 different things. Rogers is arguably better than Brady… but he ain’t greater, that’s for sure.

These will be the same people to say kd move to gsw as weak and his rings are weak but will put him above curry. Curry is top 10 simple as that. What’s he’s accomplished. What he’s made his teammates accomplished and how he’s changed the game

Take championships and accolades away, the greatest shooter of all time deserves to be in the top 10

T-mac one of my favorite players, but recently hearing talk about these topics, him saying he should have gotten mvp just for carrying his bad team to the playoffs and now his 1v1 league and taking about how 1v1 is the purest form of ball to him. Kinda showing why he didn’t have much team success and why he looks at certain players differently.

You can just tell from this and a few other takes on other shows, people still can't process that Steph actually has two chips without Durant now, and they are slowly starting to realize that "DURANT HELPED HIM WIN 2!" counterpoint is becoming less potent. The one guy that said "Steph used Kevin as a trampoline to get into this conversation" , doesn't realize that same take can be used to counter his own list with Durant, if reversed (Since Durant is in HIS top 10, and doesn't have a single chip if we removed Steph from his legacy) and it really doesn't help that he lost to Steph in a pretty embarrassing way before he joined. T-mac comes off as a little biased, he could be seeing a lot of himself in Durant, so he probably doesn't want to put Steph over him because it would inherently imply Steph is greater than him as well. (Even though he obviously is) but y'know how competitive people are. Just a theory though with T Mac. I know some people will disagree and that's fine.

Completely agree with Acho’s list. Smart cookie

This is the first time I've ever agreed with Ocho, Tmac doesn't quite have the mind of a top 20 all-time NBA athlete, Shaq told him he should've never won the MVP over TD back in 03-04

Wiley's point on Curry needed KD for the 2 chips to get in the top 10 is BS. That's a bigger hit on KD, cause without Curry, KD got none. period.

13:54 He literally said LeBron didn't have to say he needed another MVP to win. This guy forgot about the Big 3 team up in Miami when Wade was already considered the next MJ lol. Mind you Wade never won a league MVP but he did win a Finals MVP before the team up.

Acho almost said “My N***a” to TMac on national tv!! 🤣🤣🤣 I love it

I'm a KD fan but how the heck do you put KD over Kobe? Marcellus's hate for Kobe is coming out for real.

This was Curry's season. Teams knew that he was GS only best player entire season and ALL opponents had to game plan on how to slow Curry down. Curry was still able to shine regardless. Let us be fair, Curry is a rare species and don't know what else he has to do to prove to these fools he belongs.

T-Mac Ain't Knockin At No Doors 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Acho I'm with you I hate it when people say Steph went to The Hamptons on his knees begging for Kevin Durant that's not true.... I think someday there's going to be a book written and going to tell the real story of Steph Curry... For some reason people cannot handle Steph Curry being a top 10 player and higher than Kevin Durant... No matter how you try to twist The narrative Steph Curry is greater than than Kevin Durant

Something that Acho touched on, that I think should be in the conversation. All league MVPs are not the same. I think Unanimous MVPs should be ranked higher. We all know how the 2021/2022 MVP was a very close race. Jokic won Embid by a couple of votes. I think Steph having a Unanimous MVP should bring him up in the Top 10 All time. IMHO.

Yeah McGrady and Wiley are wrong. The back this Kevin Durant has not won a championship without curry. McGrady talking about Toronto but ignores the fact that to be able to have Kevin Durant on the team you had to sacrifice depth. Without having depth when you lose Kevin Durant and Thompson you didn’t have any besides the stars and that was only curry and green and they took it six games and could’ve won game six if Thompson does not tear his ACL. Curry was definitely the front runner if they would have won in 2019 let’s stop it. In 17 and 18 The defensive attention when they won the championships went to curry . They thought curry was the best player the Cavaliers coach has said as such since then I mean of course Kevin Durant would look Like the best player if he’s being single covered and wide open because they’re putting so much attention on Curry that’s not really a hard thing to figure out but so many people get wrong even former players. The fact is they had comparable stats even if Kevin Durant have slightly better stats in 17 and 18 but of course he should he was wide freaking open most of the time. I mean I’m just trying to figure it out . Curry beat Kevin Durant when they had comparable teams are he was the best player when they were on the same team and he doesn’t have a title outside of Curry but Curry‘s been to three finals and one two of them without him. If we are going to blast curry About 2016 I guess LeBron doesn’t get the excuse in 2015. We can’t have it both ways the Warriors the second half of those finals were injured. So if we are gonna talk like injuries what about Vocic games for he towards ACL he was the best rim defender and after that LeBron got what he wanted, Iggy had a bad back that Second half of the finals couldn’t guard LeBron, and Curry had a sprained MCL. Since no one wants to touch or disrupt that 2016 finals then I guess we need to have a conversation about giving credit to 2015. I have never seen one player get so much credit for being a bandwagon and bus rider. I love how we say curry recruited him when it was Draymond who wanted him and Kevin Durant wanted to go there for the easy championships. It’s not her he wanted him but Durant didn’t want to go it’s both Durrant wanted to go there and curry wasn’t gonna say no to such a great player. I find it funny that McGrady says it’s easy to win a championship in this era with another superstar but Kevin Durant had multiple superstars in the last couple years still no Championship. If it’s so easy how come Kevin Durant doesn’t have a title except with the Warriors because he’s played with Westbrook, harden ,kyrie , etc. in fact Kevin Durant has had probably the most talent he has played with of almost all time but yet he has no championship work he leads the team to a championship he had a very talented thunder team he couldn’t do it same thing with Brooklyn. It’s almost like he needed curry

Bruh in the middle built for this debatin shii💀💯.. He said WARDELLLL CURRY🤣🤣

This is best sports show… period

I'm the biggest KD fan in the world, I had him above Steph but sorry after another chip and FMVP he is above KD. He has to be at this point.

“KD prove you it’s not” KD hasn’t won a championship since he left golden state 😂

MJ, Lebron, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, Wilt.

I like this Emmanuel Acho guy. He's a Steph guy.