Whetstone Wars Battle 200 - Shapton Kuromaku 220 grit vs Nano Hone 200 grit 

Greetings to you in the UK and I go to the Shapton myself when I'm trying to grind it just feels like it's taking away more I think maybe because of the sound or the texture.

You are very kind with your words and I appreciate you very much.

Believe it or not, I was equally impressed.

Definitely an interesting idea

I couldn’t agree more. I feel like this contest was completely flawed to be honest. These stones are not made to sharpen knives to razors. They are made to remove steel, thin knives and remove chips. So I feel like this video was a sharpness contest instead of an actual performance contest, so a bit disappointing

@@jarrodhales3666 I understand. I had no way of measuring the amount of steel. Everything in the end just comes down to feelings. I believe Shapton has always been mixed up in their numbers and that they grind a lot more off than the number says. Shapton is kind of my go to for this type of work but yet the goal was to see everything that the stone could do. You don’t have to agree and my word is not definitive. I’m having the arena and I’m telling you everything that I feel. We’re definitely learning all of this on the fly and I appreciate your input. I don’t know that will be doing more course stone comparisons. We found her self in an interesting situation

@@nadm I love Your videos. You are like the only channel on RU-vid that I want to watch regarding this sort of stuff. Apologies if my comment seemed like an attack; it could’ve been written better. Keep the excellent videos up!

@@jarrodhales3666 we’re trying my friend. We have plans for the next 100 videos. Just one a week. They all can’t be the same thing. My wife’s dad has cancer and she is out of town on the weekends to spend time with him. We shoot a bunch of videos together and I edit them while she’s gone. We just try to keep you guys entertained. I appreciate your support.

Glad to hear from you. I do think the king product is pretty good

Wow, thanks! I am a little bit!

Yes there's not a lot of reason to have something this low a great unless you really have a damaged knife or something that's just stupid dull.

I've had those stones for seven years. They are absolutely amazing and they work incredible and the wear and tear is been fantastic. The downfall is the $89 price tag. That's enough sad and you'll see the rest on the next battle next month. That is the battle coming up next.

I like the Shapton specifically in that situation for just removing metal but at the same time it does Whereaway like you said, and I like the Suehiro product but it's just sticky right off the bat

btw the Morihei Karasu is supposed to act similar to a natural stone wrt polishing, which you know frankly I dont personally really believe, but I think a fair comparison would be an Okudo suita or a harder Ohira suita, both which punch in that kinda grit.

Definitely appreciated that comment. That’s a good way to think about it. That played really does reinforce it

I do love that Morihei. It’s quite unique. I have a very hard Ohira. At some point that might be a fun comparison. We have so many battles scheduled.

@@nadm yeah I know and natural stones are used by so few people and it's not like folks can run out and buy one exactly the same as one you love. I have seven ohira suita and theyre all different so... but then the morihei is specifically marketed as a polisher and what do we normally polish on? I only own 2 or 3 synths above 1000 personally because Ive never seen a picture of a finish off one that I thought looked that good.

We couldn't believe how sharp we got the knife. Some of its technique. I definitely believe over time you start to really learn how much pressure to use. Edge leading strokes are also amazing. If you have not use them then please take the time to practice that.

I appreciate that. She keeps me in line. That's why we put a mic on her. We are pretty hilarious with each other in real life. Thank you for your support

You're honestly better with two hands. You should be able to do it with one just to know how late you're supposed to be but you definitely should do it with two to make sure that you have even contact. I'm sure you're doing it right!

To answer your question, that is electroplated. Not this Friday but the following Friday we will be discussing diamond versus GB and we will be discussing vitrified versus electroplated versus resin bonded. Then we’re gonna be doing a review of some electroplated CBN plates that I got out of Germany from Rhan‘s who is a science of knife engineer kind of a guy. He’s awesome. And then we are going to do a battle.

@@nadm Nice!!

Thank you! We are actually awaiting the material to do that. We definitely saw it has something to do. Scott Gunn is sending us Gunny juice products so we will be able to do that. Thank you for your input

@@nadm Gunny juice sounds great... does he have a website?

His product is featured on many other pages. He doesn’t have a website for himself yet. It’s coming. I have a video on Gunny juice. I have a video in which I compare .5 µm diamond emulsion. You’re definitely check those out and all the links are in the videos

I’m cooking breakfast I’ll get back to you with the links

@@nadm ENJOY!

I honestly haven’t had the stones long enough to know. I do think Shapton wears out pretty fast. That’s their reputation.

@@nadm Thank you for your reply.

@@sharpcokorea ​ @Sharpco Korea no problem! Glad to be of help. I appreciate you guys.

Remember that the Shapton has got 5mm extra thickness compared to the Nano Hone. This is a 50% increase in the thickness compared to the nano hone😉

@@alessandrourso9689 I haven’t had them long enough to test the wear and tear. If one is thicker but wears away faster which is generally that Shapton, then it could still be a problem.

So when we do the comparisons we give you all of the parameters and any type of bias. Not everybody makes it to hundred and that everybody makes it to 20. Shapton is notorious for actually being a lower grit than what they say. It’s just something that I think everyone seems to know by now. The 200 on the nano hone actually seems a little glassier than it should for that rating. I have not had a chance to sharpen any of my art to steel knives on it because they frankly just hold their age and I would have to tell them. We will get to that point. We have other sharpening science coming up and we’re only doing one show a week. We still have regular jobs and so it’s hard to do more than that. We have a lot of titles to make. I will definitely added to the list

@@nadm Thank you for responding. I believe Burrfection put the Shapton Glass 320 at around 500 grit, so I assumed SG 220 would be similar. Still learning. Would love to see a comparison between the Nano Hone series and Shapton Glass. Looking forward to it. I've heard that Nano Hone (the company) has sales in the summer. Is this true? Or rather, how can I get the Nano Hone for less than 70$?

We are not opposed to that but we have said that if you're going to do it then you have to remember that it only test one specific spot on the knife. You would have to do multiple tests on the same knife. There comes and expense of that. I'm not opposed to it but we're trying to go Low - fi for right now

@@nadm i think you have already shown the tester and 3 tests across the edge of each knife should only cost around 60 cents at most per video (I think I get like 300 tests per spool). For the amount of work (amazing and super time consuming) you are putting into a video I think it’s worth it and you will generate valuable data, at a reasonable increase in time and cost. Additionally by analyzing the consistency across those testing points may provide additional insight. Perhaps great feedback stones turn out to have more consistent numbers. I.E. the stone that felt better was 80,82,76 The stone that felt bad was 80, 110, 92 I’m happy to contribute a spool if it will help!

@@anteck7goat I appreciate that. We do have a back up. People will sometimes complain that when you want it by hand you’re inconsistent. There is a device that has just recently been created. I don’t even know if it’s available for sale. It’s by Hanns Plag. He has his own RU-vid channel and he has been manufacturing things like this. He invented a device that allows you to put the knife in the device and then you can turn a wheel and it will lower the knife for you. He got three consistent numbers with this device. I do look forward to getting that one day so we can have some consistency. We already shot the next Whetstone war so I know that one won’t have it. We’re thinking about re-shooting that episode anyway. Will try to add it. We’re just trying to be consistent.

You know sometimes people with really good technique and they learn how to lighten their touch can really do amazing things. Congratulations

@@nadm light touch is a must, those 6 to 8 pounds that Bob Kramer indicates are crazy to me, always went weight of the knife or less, in Brazil any good whet stone is crazy expensive (one of the biggest taxes in the world, plus not a high offer) that is the stone I have and I had to make it work, cm just like you said about the Chinese chefs and the vegetable cleaver

These are just head to head. We’re not doing an overall market comparison. We’re just picking two opponents.

@@nadm oh okok 👍😃

Yes! I wish everybody was truer with their measurements

According to the grit chart on gritomatic , the Shapton 320 would not have been closer .

We’re still just pulling them out of the box and comparing them. That’s what we’re doing. We’re spreading the word. With every comment we are helping people understand that

Yes sir! I crack myself twice during the movie. I correct myself at eight minutes and 26 seconds is the first one. There's a lot of facts keep straight. I do try to get it all right in the end. It's the little details and I appreciate you paying attention. Sorry for the mistake but I did make the correction during the movie. Thank you