Which Bike Should YOU Buy In 2023 ? // Talaria Sting R MX4 or Surron Light Bee X ? 

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its good quality, im happy with it, linked it

Love to hear it! No regrets over here either! 🤙🏽

Dang $9000 is way too much! But that’s cool you have a spot to work on bikes and have a shop space. Hope you can track one down and get out there!

Love to hear it. Just just a lot more bang for the buck. Stock vs stock the talaria is way more fun

I appreciate the feedback! 🤝

Thanks man! Really appreciate that and glad I could help! I think it’s a much more fun bike to ride in its stock form

Thanks!!! Hope it helped!

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Yeah ima buy one this winter and trick it out for Sumer. I am so excited right now

Eride pro now, but cant get it because they only ship in usa

Yes the eride sspro

@@calijudoable thanks for the feedback! That’s awesome, hope you guys have a blast and stay safe!

Thanks for the input. I didn’t know surrons came with bad front fenders 🤙🏽

Thank you!!! No I didn’t lower it, but it’s not comfortable. I think I’m going to do the seat riser mod the talaria boys did to lift the front

Appreciate you! 🤝

Appreciate that!

Appreciate the feedback! 🤝

It’s just better a better bang for the buck! The aftermarket argument is kind of dead now as well. Most anything you can buy for a surron can be bought for talaria now. I still love mine and wouldn’t change a thing! Thanks for the feedback! 🤝

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I agree. Out of the box it’s a much better bike. And they have listened. I think it’s great for us the consumer. Cause surron will come back swinging next year, but so will talaria. Going to make for some great bikes for us!

Thanks so much for watching and offering to put in a word for me at Luna. Appreciate the kind words and if I can help ya out in any way, just reach out 🤙🏽 really appreciate the support and I hope your sting brings you as much joy as mine has!

I was able to do some testing on the trails yesterday, I’ve got part one coming soon that will explain the clickers, and how adjusting them can get your desired result. Part 2 will come out when I get a suspension pump, so I can experiment with different air pressures in the forks/shock

Love to hear it! Thanks so much!

theres less mods for the talaria now, but I bet by mid summer there will be a lot more... and a lot of surron upgrades are interchangeable with talaria... I did an oil change on the gear box already and its not hard... I'll put out a video on it next week... its just 2 screws to get a cover off, and then the drain bolt... then replace and refill

Thanks! Appreciate it, the pants are just a pair of volcom pants 🤙🏽

Workin on it brother. Thanks so much for the support!

Yep. I had big buyers remorse when I saw the sting R. Luckily was able to cancel and switch my order in time 🙌🏽 so glad I did

Awesome! You’re gonna love it! 🤙🏽

@@freerfixedit have u done the wire snipping thing? or its not needed? for more speed

@@esk8unity first thing you should do!

@@freerfixedit whats the mph difference? i think i saw u did 51mph stock before the new chain? or that was with the wire snipped?

Awesome! Have fun and be safe! 🤙🏽

Appreciate it! 🤝

Appreciate that! So I’ve found the gear ratios in the display are for calibrating the speedometer if you change wheels or sprocket size. They don’t actually change the characteristics of the bike

@@freerfixedit Ohh ok, thats still cool, so if I put a larger rear sprocket on, it can be re calibrated.

@@catmanflorida2839 exactly!

@@freerfixedit do you have an idea about how many miles you can get on a battery?

@@catmanflorida2839 yeah you can check out my real world range test video, but I can confidently say it’s between 30-40 miles mixed riding

I’m 6ft about 185lbs 🤙🏽

I think it looks better imo, stealthy kind of cafe look

I haven’t found the parts to be more expensive than surron parts at all, and china parts usually aren’t the best move anyway. I don’t notice the weight, and like you said, a lot of surron owners prefer the heavier bike because it’s more planted and feels safer at high speeds. Thanks for watching! 🤝

Did not know that! Just saved me a bunch of time 😂 thanks!

@@freerfixedit no problem! Just turn on GPS on the phone and chose what setting most accurate show real speed...

@@shockadellick I agree. surron is going to come back swinging next year, but so is talaria. The real winner of the competition is us, the consumer, cause the bikes are going to get better a lot faster from here on out

wow! happy to hear you were able to sell the surron! it really is though, I cant stay off of this thing... zero buyers remorse...thanks for watching!

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Yeah if you wanted to mod right now I’d say go with surron. But I do think the aftermarket world will catch up for the R by mid summer

Nothing with wheels is perfect out of the box. Everything needs mods, especially power. As for aftermarket support, Talaria has rapidly caught up. Pegs, bars, suspension, wheels, brakes, seat risers, brakes, controllers, motors, seats, etc, .... It's all available, and there are plenty of options. I've had my Sting R since early May, and I had an aftermarket headlight, switch, skid plate, rear shock guard, and pegs for it before I received the bike. Installed them all while I was topping off the battery before my first ride. Way more aftermarket parts installed now, and more to come. Not waiting for availability, my wallet is the limiting factor. If I were to do it all over again, I would just buy the frame ($850), and gearbox ($350), and build it with all aftermarket parts, since I have been replacing all these perfectly good OEM parts anyways.

Thank you!

That’s definitely what this is. It’s like a cross between a mtn bike and a dirt bike

That’s strange… I def feel it on level 4 compared to L1. Other people have claimed this so maybe it’s an issue? I’m unsure because I thought the same at first, but quickly realized 4 had much more drag than 1 when letting off in sport mode… hope you can get it sorted 👍🏽

You happy with your purchase? I have a 2023 Sur Ron and need to upgrade the forks. It’s almost cheaper to sell my bike and ride a stock Talaria.

@@se11459 Yes, other than the wimpy regen, and by that I mean not just less power returned to the battery (it's a bigger battery, so any regen action would result in a lesser percentage of the AH total, I get that...) but most evident in the lack of braking. I climbed a 8800' nearby peak the other day, LOST 3% on the descent, on my Sur Ron I GAINED 3 %.

Glad I could help in any way!

Got mine yesterday almost a week late from FedEx haha, can't wait to assemble it today and compare it to my 2022 Sting :-]

@@quickcanary how is it

​@@steedu46gtIt is sick.

Yes it does, it has a gearbox instead of a belt primary like surrons

Honestly man, I think the power would be okay, but my brother is 6’4 and about 230 and I’d def recommend he get something like the ultra bee. Same speed and fun factor, just will be better suited to your frame

There’s already a lot of aftermarket parts and support available. But I agree, I think the aftermarket world has no choice but to catch up now

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I didn't delete it, I put a gritshift blinder headlight on... they're out of stock everywhere right now, but this headlight looks exactly like it amzn.to/3pfnS8h and gritshift makes this blazer headlight as well amzn.to/3ph6yiV which isn't as bright as the blinder, but still much better than stock. I'd like to get a direct mount stem myself soon, so let me know what you end up getting, and yes I'm fairly certain the sting parts fit

@@freerfixedit sweet! I should be getting my bike at the end of the month

Stay tuned, I have a video coming soon where I’ll give my 2 cents on the new XXX, who I think it’s targeted towards, and pros vs cons

Yeah they do make the seat riser kits for these. It’s your preference really. I know it’d be nice to sit on one or test ride, but that’s not always possible. The only downside to going to a larger bike like an ultra bee, is you lose the light weight flickable feel of the mx4 and surron, which I think is a lot of the fun factor of these bikes

Around 11 days or so. I can’t remember

This is true, much quieter and I have to say it definitely gains some torque front the gearbox over the belt primary

Sounds like fun! The bike is a blast on the trails! Enjoy and be safe!

Gearbox, bigger battery, bigger rims + tires, peg brace… it all adds up. Still prefer the weight for both the performance benefits and the stability at speed

wise choice my friend! hope it arrives soon!

Then you cut the wrong wire

they come artificially limited from the factory. There is a brown wire under the cover near the horn. Cut it, and it unlocks the full power of the bike. Check my unboxing video for the location of the wire and what it looks like

It’s already happening in Cali… I’m still the only person I’ve seen on one where I’m from in nc… the problem is 14-15 year old kids are getting on them and acting a fool. I have zero issues with law enforcement here

😂 much more fun way to get around!

From where bro I’m in eu and can’t find where to get the bike

They do not unfortunately…

Bummer, Okay thanks!

Yeah, the surron has 2 plugs and the talaria is an all in one plug. More convenient design imo, and no problem! Thanks for watching!

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stay tuned for fridays video...

Dang. That’s really unfortunate to hear. I’ve had very good experiences with Luna. Try reaching out to Eric on Facebook via messenger. You can find him in a lot of the groups in there. He’s very responsive and helpful. Rush shipped me parts no questions asked

Did you receive the bike? How has customer service/support been?

@shanew7361 I finally received the bike it was around 6 weeks or so and honestly their customer service is one of the worst I've dealt with just getting them on the phone is hard enough and it's all for waste of time because they will offer no help at all and then be rude on top of it. I fully decked the bike out and thankfully I didn't buy anything else from Luna Cycle I bought everything from Warp 9 and a few other places. As far as the bike itself goes I absolutely love it.

@@shanew7361 their customer service is nothing but top notch. Anyone that has had any issue with their bike, or parts damaged in shipping, Luna has rush shipped replacement parts. Lunacycle does it right

@@devinswanson1752 Where would you suggest I buy the bike from then? I live in MI.

Talaria in every way. Much more bang for buck and a better bike in my opinion

Dang that’s toughhh… but to be honest, I think I’d still pay the extra 500 to have the extra power.

Here's the thing...a bigger battery and better controller will cost you more then $500. If you keep the Surron stock it's slower with less range

@@anopov2875 I was thinking this too but if someone does a group buy I’d consider

@@anopov2875 I’m on Oahu. Saw someone on marketplace selling through e-bikes Kailua for 5.7k

This was my first experience with them but it has been top notch. I recommend them 100% and if I ever buy another it will be from them no doubt

Bummer 🥲

This is true, but I’ll take it over snapping belts all the time

the "R" is the MX4. The older original sting is called the MX3... I have the new Sting R MX4

Things look funky, how is it?

@@freerfixedit Man I love it!!!! I mainly just riding in mode 2 and use sports mode as a power boost. I will take it out for our weekly ride this Thursday!!!! Can’t wait!! It’s built really well! Nice to get it without having to upgrade nothing, well the 72 volt version.

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@@djcoolcliff glad you’re enjoying it! 🤙🏽

I haven’t gotten the chance to ride an ultra bee but from what I’ve seen and heard it’s a more off road type bike than the talaria. Little bigger and beefier. Talaria feels like a motorized mountain bike. Very light and flickable. A different kind of fun for me. Ultra bee will feel more like a dirt bike imo

Right? lol I think surron will come out with something better next year. I think the real winner is us, the consumer, cause the competition is just going to benefit us in the end... and Im willing to bet by mid summer the aftermarket world will have caught up with talaria

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@@freerfixedit Thanks 👍

You’re comparing the stock peak 8kw of talaria to 12kw peak modded surron. The stock surron peaks at 6kw… I think if you went mod for mod with the 2 the talaria will out perform. But we just have to wait and see someone do it, and see how well the talaria holds up. But I think the new ipm motor will handle the power upgrades well

@@freerfixedit ye it should deffinaly apply way stronger mods and outpeak power we need wait bac12000 release or something hahaha burn battery and wonder when they realise more powerfull battery than 72v

@@IgnasZ I’m not saying a stock talaria is more powerful than a 72v surron… but if you did the same mods to both bikes, I think the talaria can benefit more and it’s motor can be pushed further with power upgrades

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Stock for stock it’s way more fun

You can push the talaria past 8000 if you upgrade controller and battery

@@freerfixedit more than 12000?

@@IgnasZ oh yeah, surronster runs his surron at 14kw I believe… and you can push the bikes beyond it, but they say the sweet spot is somewhere around 15kw or less. More than that is scary power people say… and I’d believe it. That’s double the stock sting r

@@freerfixedit xD I mean ye u need upgrade brakes to like car brakes then haha

@@IgnasZ definitely lol

Haven’t ridden one, but much beefier bike. More off road oriented. A lot of the fun of the mx4 for me is how light and flickable it is. Think motorized mountain bike. The ultra bee leans more towards the feel of a dirt bike

@@freerfixedit I just watched a review and it's noticeably louder than the MX4 and even the Sur-ron X. I need stealthy, so leaning towards MX-4 partly for hunting.

@@Scottyman99 probably your best bet. Comes with an o-ring chain which from what I’ve seen/heard is significantly quieter than the belt drive on the lbx and non o ring chains

Better bang for buck!

The geometry is terrible and the motor positioning is not good. Using a tiny chain that will break

@@freerfixedit Supposedly the chains are bigger on the ones they shipped to people.

@@zero-ol2nt still a very bad design overall imo. I hear what your saying about the laws and stuff tho

depends on if you plan to upgrade in the near future or not, if youre going to do battery or controller upgrades I'd say no, but if you're going to ride it stock I'd say its worth it

@@freerfixedit Makes sense, thanks for the reply! Im currently debating if im going to upgrade the mx3 or sell it for the R the battery prices put me off atm haha...

@@mcr.onwheels I completely understand. Which is why I’m just gonna ride it stock for awhile. Might do some little cosmetic things and tires but that’s it for awhile

​@@mcr.onwheels I'm in the same boat, however, I have my MX3 slightly modded so it makes more sense for me to buy a battery and controller since I'll end up wanting more than 8kw.

@@rwolfcastle I see, i was thinking the same all ive done is add a blinder light and switch. I feel like from the videos ive watched 10kw looks like the perfect amount and would be fun to try more :). If you were to upgrade which controller and battery combo were you considering?

Dang, I got mine from lunacycle, as far as i know they are sold out and shipping them in batches. they are selling out super fast. it says ampedbikes.com has them and can get there by 5/8 but i don't know if id trust that based on what I've heard from other people that have ordered through them...

@@freerfixedit I know it sounds lightweight but buying from ampedbikes you can't order the blue wrap that you can from Luna so I think I will wait for Luna to get them in. I don't have to skill to wrap a bike without screwing it up.

@@LarryRichelli I don’t want mine. You pay the shipping I’ll send em to ya

@@lamar310 I’m not affiliated with lunacycle at all, and this is my first purchase from them. Gotta say it was a great and smooth experience. Good customer service. Good company

@@freerfixedit What do you mean, "I don't want mine"?

That solar bike is junk! Do not get that bike. Design flaw after design flaw. The motor being on the swingarm is a terrible design. The wheel base and geometry of the bike is terrible. The chain is tiny and will break with true off road use. The people reviewing that bike on RU-vid are being paid off heavy by that company. Get a sting R. No affiliation but that solar eclipse bike is JUNK!

I knew the motor placement was bad and the chain was small. I hadn't really heard anything else. Paid reviews is my biggest concern these days. Have to wait till June for the next shipment of tel R. Thank you

@@andrewkavanaugh3063 no motive here. They are totally different class of bikes tho. Sting feels more like a bicycle. The solar more a motorcycle. The solar is faster, and probably more comfortable, but if you wanted a style bike that size I’d go with the surron ultra bee. Apparently the solar bike has already been released and failed under a different company name. Now they’re trying again by paying RU-vidrs to review them. Hope this helped!