Surron & Talaria - Are they legal?? - I ask the CHP 

Last words are most important. DON'T GET CAUGHT

This guy looks like he writes a lot of impound tickets for these type of vehicles and he’s proud of it lol

I’ve been riding my Surron in town for a year and a half. Have gone past numerous bpd and sheriffs with no issue. But I also don’t go wheelie in the road and go crazy through traffic.

Mostly comes down to common sense, if youre blowing through town at 50mph and riding like a dingbat youll prinably get stopped. If youre respectful, have some swlf control and commmon sense youll likely be fine.

This is a joke. I find it hilarious when cops say it's not safe to ride or drive because it's modified meanwhile they have police vehicles with souped-up engines and flashed computers with stock suspension( which is very dangerous ) and drivers who have no idea what they are doing

Add pedals, mirrors, horn, head/tail lights and register by mail in CA as a moped. No inspection required. Cost about $25 and they mail you plates good indefinitely. You do have to have at least an m2 license to ride a moped in CA but a relatively easy way to make these higher powered "ebikes" more legal. Could theoretically still get ticketed or impounded if you are caught exceeding 30mph, but police will probably allow it if you are plated.

Asking a cop to explain the law is like asking a donkey to do algebra

Never under any circumstances stop for the police! Absolutely ridiculous to register/license with the government! 3 u-turns and the cops are out of the picture!

28mph is too slow to be riding on the road, you will get honked at or road rage from drivers when there are no bike lanes. Ebikes should be able to keep up with the flow of traffic. 28mph restriction is stupid and will actually cause more danger to both riders and drivers. As more and more ebike riders are becoming popular. The speed is going to be an issue on the road when traffic wants to go 45mph and you are riding really slow at 28mph causing traffic jams and angry drivers.They will yell at you and tell you get the f*** off the road. Or worse swerve into you on purpose or cut you off.

Well i got a question now.. Some "Ebikes" come with controls that have a street and off road mode. So you can set the street mode for 750W and off road to max even if the "Ebike it's self has 4k watts. So as such would it be legal on the street in "street mode" while limited to only 750w and kept under 28mph ?

talked to a traffic cop in my town and so happy that he said he would never stopped me and write me a ticket ( i have a mx3)

Exactly why I got a Segway Ninebot Pro go cart for retirement fun!!!

Great video thank you

Very Educational just bought one and was worried mine only goes 26 MPH 😅

Pedal kit and 750w stickers problem solved. I doubt the cops would ever check how much Watts or amps you're pulling

Whether its legal or not is not the issue, its whether or not the cop decides to enforce the law. A fedex truck parked in a red fire lane blatantly breaking the law probably wont get a ticket even tho hes clearly breaking the law, some laws get enforced and some dont, if you're not being stupid you probably wont get pulled over, but always remember, the smaller the town, the more attention you will receive from the popo. Ive been riding my surron on san diego streets in front of hundreds of cops and right by the downtown police station for 4 years now and 6000 miles and have never been bothered, i also dont ride foolishly tho. A bored cop in a town of 4000 people tho might want to investigate your new toy but i dont have any experience on that note. Be safe boys and girls. By the way, ebike laws are stupid, hows a cop going to know what your top speed is if you were doing 15mph? And hows he going to know what the wattage is and so forth, imagine if you couldn't drive your sports car on the road because its capable of breaking all speed limits. Just because its capable of going over 70mph doesn't mean you will. But if your ebike is capable of going over 28 its automatically illegal, wow. Is the cop going to hop on your bike and test the top speed to verify lol. So dumb. How about pull the rider over for being dumb, not the bike for being an inanimate object subject to the riders inputs, much like a ferrari. FAFO.

You should of ask the officer if 28mph is safe speed. It is basically too fast for the bike lanes and too slow for traffic lanes. Ebikes should be able to keep up with the flow of traffic on the road. And if they want to ride on the bike lane then keep the speed down to 28mph. That would make a lot more sense. Who makes up these law? Also 750W motor law does not make sense either. It also depends on wheel size, tire size, hub driven, chain driven, dual motors, rider weight, bike weight, battery voltage, all plays a factor in power. You can have a 750watt motor go 28mph or 50mph by tuning changing controllers, sprockets, wheel sizes ect......

Personal Electric Vehicles (PEVs) is another avenue where I live. You are allowed to operate any PEV on any road with a posted speed limit of 35 mph and under. This goes for scooters, golf carts, one wheels, electric skateboards and the like. I personally have never had an officer take a second look at me when I ride, though I keep it pretty chill. Fellow cyclists on the other hand can be terrible. I just expect it now.

So can I ride it under 28 mph and be fine ?

I have no problem registering a Surron or Talaria as a motorcyle, especially if you have one already, M endorsement, registered, inspected , etc. The problem is: Most of the dealers, including Cali, Utah, and the east coast are selling China imported bikes with no VIN number or some do and some don't. It may have a PIN # on the headtube and is functionally identical for many purposes, like insurance identity, and the dealer may even say it's good for everything, but it isn't a 17 digit VIN number that the DMV will allow for some states to register your eBike. You may get lucky and the clerk that day lets it be registered, but it is unlikely. But then some states will let you substitute an MCO (Manufactures Certificate of Origin) for the VIN. So, you have a 1. Invoice,(Bill of Sale or receipt) 2. MCO 3. VIN and 4. Title Sellers (Chinese) can provide any mix of these (never all 4, usually 2). Your local Dealer can have any mix of these also (because they may not get an MCO or a VIN from their Chinese wholesaler). The local dealer may not have a Title for you because his state requires one of the certificates he didn't receive. Finally, each state has different rules for which of those 4 you need to register and plate your eBike. Not to mention whether you can get the Street legal lighting or not. Many of the overseas suppliers do, but only a few will have that factory lighting in your own country. (if you're handy you can get a lighting package .. if you have a major brand). As buyers (given that you need or want it street legal) we are faced with these 4 items and there is a random mixture of them between 3 parties. The Chinese suppliers, your Dealer, and your DMV. That's the problem. If you buy direct from overseas yourself, for whatever reason, the same obstacles will apply. It seems to me out of the 4 items, not having a VIN is usually the hardest to overcome. For instance, in my state, WV, I thought I had it pretty much together. I checked with the DMV and asked what they needed to register before I ordered. They said Receipt, Bike with VIN, and 'papers'. Great, I'm ordering overseas (to get the legal lights and horn), they said it had a VIN, and I'll have a Receipt when it arrives, plus I have the email confirmation and Invoice #. So I ordered. Just in case, I went back online on their chat and confirmed, "There's a VIN, right?", "Yes". "There's an Invoice with the bike, right", "Yes!" At this point I'm pretty much set, I thought. The DMV had said, "papers", a little vague, so I asked further, just in case. "There's a normal MCO, right?" (most overseas sellers have one). "Uh, no. Don't have MCO." Well, "There's a Title with it, of course, right", Uh, No!" Lucky, I said to him, I know I already ordered, but can you hold off shipping it for a few days so I can check again with the DMV? I'm just hearing now that I get a VIN on the bike and a Bill of sale when it arrives. That's it? Went early in the morning to the DMV and asked what exactly does "papers" mean? Now they said you need a VIN, receipt, and the Title. Mainly the Title. Uh oh. I tried everything. "Well, when I get my invoice, that's a bill of sale that has my name and the seller's on it and that's 'proof of purchase'. Then I will have the VIN on a newly manufactured item that is described in the invoice and can be entered into your system. Nope. "Need a Title". Well, "When I buy a car or a moto at a dealer, I just have a payment, I can call right there and get my insurance, they give me a Bill of Sale and some other papers. I come here with that and you register it and give me a paper tag until the plates come or give me the plates outright and a Title comes in the mail." "Nope, need a Title." I gave up. I went back home and asked for the guy from the seller who I talked to before and luckily he said, Yes I could cancel the order because it hadn't shipped. Whew. I'm going back to the DMV though and talk with a supervisor because I swear I've heard in other states there is a way, some way, to get a Title by applying with a certain DMV Title form and a Bill of sale and an MCO and get issued a Title for that vehicle. I'll find a seller that has an MCO and a VIN, or papers that can get you a Title if there isn't one already. So, for my state the Title was a must have. In another state it may be not having a stamped VIN on the frame that is the show stopper. Is there a way to register a Surron or Talaria going through a process to be assigned a VIN number? You would have a bill of sale and it would be a new vehicle, so there must be a way. Or, If your state takes an MCO from the manufacturer and your Receipt, isn't that enough to apply for a Title (and then be accepted for state registration), but many of the Chinese sellers do not give an MCO and after the dealer in the US has taken a shipment of them without that MCO, you aren't getting one after that. States want a VIN or secondarily an MCO letter from the manufacturer, or in my case a Title, to register a motorcycle. Is there any way for these 50 mph E Bikes to get a state registration without a VIN or a Title? More of these will be sold every day. It would be nice to have the same procedure in every state.

What if you’re riding below 28 mph and you added a pedal kit? Would they leave you alone then?

Sounds like he’s giving fair warning and alluding to not speeding in order to avoid unwanted attention. ( I have the Sting and ride routinely on the roads in San Diego County with 0 problems as of 11/30/22)

Can you put a on and off switch on the brown wire so you can just flip the switch for max power and off if you want it cap to the lowest setting?

Can you ride it on the side walk

Anaheim PD don’t care about my Talaria (mx3). I’ve ridden it to work for awhile now going 45-47 mph and lane splitting. As long as you don’t do wheelies and follow traffic laws. Install a street legal kit consisting of turn signals and working brake lights. Mirrors etc. Cops could care less. The bike is quiet. Wear a helmet and gear. The DMV denies registration for these bikes. Some got through and got moped plates but majority of the time they’ll classify it as off road use only. Although some smaller Police Departments are starting to crack down on surrons and talarias because of teens or younger doing stunts and getting into accidents. Huntington Beach PD is one of them.

Are they the same laws for San Diego

the 750 watt rule is dumb because it all depends on the battery / controller.

"Welp, looks like im pushing it home." I'm on probation with no driver license and that's why I own a Super 73 and not a Eride Pro SS. Getting my Ninja out of impound costed ALOT more than getting a car out.

I've been pulled over 3xs and haven't gotten a ticket yet. No pedal kit. I also respect the laws of the road and don't speed or wheelie on the roads My sur ron lbx has over 6k miles my Talaria MX4 has under 1k miles 99% street

can u ride in the bike lane

Could i ride the Talaria Sting R MX4 on the sidewalks ? but in eco mode ofc, and i'll soon get one because i always wanted a dirtbike like a gas one but i heard its illegal to drive on the roads or sidewalks and they pretty loud and its more maintenance u have to do, but the Talaria is the closest thing to a dirtbike, well the Surron Ultra Bee is but i perfer the Talaria Sting R over Surron Ultra Bee and Surron X and Talaria X

Ask him if it’s safe for cops to type on their laptops while driving? Jesus Christ, no one needed to know these “pressing” questions… they’ll eventually find a god damn way to put more laws on us.

Crazy how this differs from state to state. Don't exceed posted speed limits, don't bob-and-weave between traffic, don't wheelie in traffic, USE HAND SIGNALS, qear a helmet and gear, and you should be good. Be respectful, but also know your rights. Ride safe everybody 👍

so if you add pedals and restircion to 28miles/h you can use it as bike?

The 28mph restriction, and especially the 750w restriction is absolutely assinine and causes far more danger to riders and drivers than riding these things unlocked. 750w is not even close to powerful enough to keep you at 28mph on an uphill, and will definitely struggle on most inclines. 28mph on public roadways is significantly too slow, as most traffic flows up to 40mph on city streets. In my opinion, there should be a category other than e-bike, moped, and motorcycle. There should be the e-moto class, or if necessary, these can be classified as a class 5 e-bike. Even class 4 offroad ebikes are still far too slow for road use. This would make it most safe for all parties involved.The restrictions should be no more powerful than 8kw motor, electronically limited to 40mph, and should not require licensure or insurance to ride. It should not be considered a motorcycle, and thus will not be highway legal, and may only be ridden on city streets. They should also not be eligible to ride on sidewalks or on bike paths, and only on surface roads. The only requirements to ride are for it to be registerd as a non-licensed motor vehicle with the DMV, and a number plate showing it is considerd an e-moto or class 5 ebike. Any electric motorcycle that is more powerful or faster than the limits stated should need to be fully insured and licensed as all others are. We need an in-between classification for these bikes. Registering it as a motorcycle in most places is impossible, as the VIN numbers are not considered registerable as a motorcycle, scooter, or moped. The law needs to catch up, as the limitations placed upon street legal e-bikes are unsafe and increase the danger to all parties involved where there are not bike lanes or bike paths.

What part of Bako? I’m off of Renfro now Brimhall and EV’s are everywhere out here.

What would happen if a 14yr old rode an electric dirtbike but it wasn’t tampered with?

You have to have a motorcycle license for these if you are riding on the road, right?

I just don't go fast by cops like it's not hard

Thanks again CA for being the fun police LOL

The problem is some dumb parents bought these bikes for their kids or some dumb rich kids bought these bikes and started doing wheelies on the sidwalk and cutting in/out of traffic while giving others the middle finger. So what happened is that these adults got pissed off and went to the mayors and elected officials and now got them to impound these bikes. Stupid kids messed it up for everyone.

Is adding a pedal kit and not cutting the wire on a talaria will you still get pulled over?

They're legal in the trails.

I hate catching buses and maintaining a car is just not in my budget so I’m hoping that getting a talaria will be more convenient and cost efficient it would really suck if I bought one and I get harassed by the police I already have a pedal e bike but want something that goes a lil faster or can handle a hill with out losing half your battery

Any info on making it street legal as an electric motorcycle?

Lol thank you for the video

what about pedals ????

If a moped gets impounded its almost never gotten back because the fees are so impressive most cant afford it esp it they are commuting on a moped in the first place

So to sum it all up, run from the police if you see them looking at you, because otherwise youre going to lose your ebike and the impound will be just as much as the bike. Or dont buy one at all if you plan to use it in the city.

I just plan to not get caught, add a pedal kit and if I get stopped I’m just gonna say it’s a clunker and it only goes 20mph with a class 2 sticker.

That fool impounded my moms electric wheelchair. Pjnche wey!

every state has different rules and regulations. my town/county lets us im able to ride a quad, dirtbike, surron, talaria etc

This is dumb. If it's over 750w it's illegal!!! If you keep your speeds under the limit they won't bother you

@5:49 Why is it that they set the standards for what's legal? Shouldn't it be we the people who decide what's legal or not?

I see kids riding these on the streets all the time at the same time Im required to have a license, registration and insurance to ride my motorcycle. I don't see how these are any different other than one is gas powered and one is electric .

Yeah, I thought they would be cool to ride around untill I found out they were totally illegal to ride on the road here in New York!

That cop is depressing. Also iv registered my talaria sting its worth it.. not saying i modded it after it got thr rego but i cant see why not

Literally says on the box off road use only!!

With all those headaches.. Honda Navi or grom are better choice I think

what if i pass over 28 and go 29??

I'm 6 ft 215 is tht xxx too small for me ?

Taking legal advice from law enforcement is probably the worst thing you could do

Just wanna be clear its 28mph cut off by motor. You can pedal faster then 28mph on a class 3 ebike.

What if you are 12

What would youregister it as? Moped or motorcycle

i drive a boat so i'm good

to make that street leagel you would need a vin number turn signals insurance restation and pedels ito get a vin you would need to go thew the dmv if the bike meets the requrements for the state you are in there all diffrent ebike laws in the usa

Probably not street legal in most states and also not able to license due to no VIN# .

The biggest issue I see right now is the ultra fast e-bikes being ridden WAY too fast and aggressive by underage/helmetless kids. Some adults too, are bending the rules. Mostly kids in my view. I spend winters in Newport Beach area and enjoy walking and biking on the local bike paths and board walks. The e-bikes, IMO, are out of control. I have witnessed people riding 30-40 mph even at night(with no lights), sometimes passing just inches from oblivious walkers with dogs/kids/etc. I am surprised we are not seeing more enforcement (and more accidents). E bikes make up 1/2 the bikes on the bike paths now, by my estimation. These bikes belong off road or on major roads as a registered vehicle, not on bike/walking paths. Speed limit on the bike paths is 8 mph, FYI.

i wouldnt even be telling police any of this lol

It looks like the cops are vouching for registration and insurance...bla bla sounds like more money they want from us for the city. How is registering this making any different. I get insurance, but registration is just giving money away to your local city...and cops love registrations because it pays their salaries (80k-100k per year BTW).

Meanwhile there's a bunch of idiots riding 2500-3000 lb vehicles but this is deemed "not safe" 😂

4:50 e mountain bikes or pedal assist bikes have no throttle, only work up to 28 mph and cost 10,000$. They are not under the radar they are the radar they perfectly safe to ride.

Bro told on himself. Could’ve said “some people..” or online community suggests…

My talaria is pushing 32kw I'd like to see him try and catch me to tell me im breaking the law 😂.

Couldn’t you just ride it on a sidewalk of a public road?

Bro, they sell it to you for use off-road only so you do know where you’re supposed to write it stop capping

Just be respectful on streets and in general public places. Follow rules slow down, cops probably will not bother you.

Lol this guy interviews this cop and clearly doesn't like what he said. This was awkward to watch. And he pretty much says I'm gonna ignore you and to everyone else "don't get caught". The cop is not saying anything you can't find from a simple google. The bike looks illegal and it IS illegal.

can't own shit in cali

the talaria motor is 6500 watts not 2400

Dirtlegal?

Talaria xxx motor is 6000 watts

At this point since CA is the NO FUN ZONE w Ebikes, just man up and get your M1 and spend 5k on a real motorcyle. We got the WEATHER and the LEGAL Lane Splitting like the rest of the world (except 49 states)

They’re cracking down on nyc 🤦‍♂️

ummm how did you get it home after that vid lmao

It's clear as day to me this is an electric motorcycle. I dont see how anyone would view this as a bicycle.

This is whats wrong with the world

Dont ask people who don't follow their own laws they enforce

i can ride my normal pedal bike faster than 28 mph

Stop telling on e bike riders.. and what about bike that have regulations? And what type do you need?

Imagine being in your own jurisdiction… that’s another topic. This is kind of a dry snitching bi although I know you mean well in education. Appreciated

Cop, and by the way, I'm going to need to take it from you right now cos you're already on the public road.

This is a easy question to answer. No they are not street legal bro. The other Talaria u get from China. That is street legal because u can get it registered. Those are electric dirt bike man. People stop saying a surron is street legal.

Big mistake talking to the CHP. Just don't be crazy and ride.

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All the more reason to run from them; remember that this thing can go into grass/hills and climb much better than cop cars 😂

I'm going to glue some pedals to my Tesla so I can drive on the bike path. There's less traffic. If the logic is a vehicle with an electric motor is not a motorized vehicle then it seems like it should work. I'd keep it to 30 mph like the fat tired ("ebikes") motorcycles do. No, but seriously. I'm an old school human powered cyclist, and I have to ride on the road to avoid all the ebikes on the bike path. I wouldn't care if they didn't ride like it was their first day on a bike. They all have goofy smiles on their faces though, so I guess it makes them happy.

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