Which Engine Setup is More Efficient for Generating Power? (Gearblocks) 

Now of course the question is how do we apply timings to non symmetrical engines: 5 cylinders, 3 cylinder radials etc.

The firing order in low-displacement engines does not directly influence power, but it is widely used to avoid stress on the crankshaft and the use of counterweights that influence engine efficiency.

Kan: Fireing order doesn't seem to matter. Also Kan: I kinda figured out firing order

If you didnt know, you can right click on the rpm setting in the cylinder head menu and type a much higher redline, like over 8000 rpm (things tend to go crazy past 6000 rpm so be careful)

What you've made at 8:33 is a crossplane parallel twin. And btw they don't turn into 2 strokes. By setting the firing order to 1 -> 1, both cylinders go through intake, compress, combust and exhaust at the same time, instead of switching between each other.

as has been said by many: The firing order and crank offset are purely cosmetic. The sound of the engine is akin to a 2 stroke, but it is cosmetically a 4 stroke engine. The only things that truly affect the performance of the engine are the number of cylinders (total possible power), and the volumetric efficiency (controls torque value). Most things you've been experimenting with are purely cosmetic.

12:30 "Light speed is too slow, we're going to have to go straight to... LUDICROUS SPEED"!

Symetrical timing twins are a thing, and 90° offset timings are too. Mainly on motorbikes. There's videos on it on RU-vid.

In theory, if you discard the effects on exhaust pressure built by exhaust gases, it shouldn't matter in the torque output which order the pistons fire. The pistons are all firing in the same cicle. The reason why firing order becomes important is because of shaft balance, stops vibration, resonant pressure wave generation in the intake and exhaust, which further can increase horse power.

Double pitched audio changes how the engine sounds A LOT, turn it off and it sounds more 4 stroke

If you right click the number on a setting you can change the value past what the slider allows

You dont 100% need a starter to start the engine when its small. you can just use the grabber tool

It's a 4 stroke, intake and exhaust on the head, 2 stroke has something more like a cap on top, intake and exhaust in the block.

When are you going to put the 160 piston engine in a vehicle?

Glad you found the graph script mod I was talking about under previous videos.. Guess you never saw them

It looks like the RPM value on the graph gets too high wrt the other too values, making it hard to see the patterns there. It might be worth repeating this without RPM on the graph.

Finally getting this game this weekend, hopefully will have my own videos on it. Have been looking at getting it for almost a year.

Pretty sure the game doesn't calculate the effect of primary and secondary balances.

8:00 actually I think there were British twins that were like that, the pistons moved together and fired at a 360° interval, there were even some where they fired at the same time at 720° intervals.

It's quite simple. There's a firing order which you can set. Why on earth would you have a firing order on a 2 stroke? That's not even possible. In that case the crank adjusts the firing order, not the head (which is the camshaft and spark plugs IRL)

So if im not mistaken engines work as such: - Power depends on cylinder count and size. - volumetric efficiëncy also influences it maybe? - firing order and crank angles only impact sound. As fo the sound (and this is pure speculation), a cylinder "fires" whenever it is next in the firing order and at the top of its cycle. Thus, depending on how you set up the timing it can be a 2 or 4 stroke (or even 320 stroke). This is because you can either set the order in which the cranks reach the top ("sequential" in engine tool) and youll have it the same as in scrap mechanic. Or you can set the proper firing order for a given engine like 1-3-2 for in I3. Now the first crank fires, the second reaches the top but isnt next to fire, the third reaches the top and fires, the first is skipped, second fires, third skips, etc. Thus if the firing order is completely opposite the crank order it should make the 160 cylinder engine a 320(?) stroke.

You can change the crank angle by hitting “E” while looking at the crank in its menu easier then having to reconnect everything

18:32 kAN has invented the Big-bang firing order lol.

they are actually 4 stroke engines that SOUND like they are 2 stroke, but you can change that in the cylinder head configuration

four stroke cycle in four words: suck, squeeze, bang, blow (which happens over two full revolutions, each stroke is either an upstroke or a downstroke)

16:25 Kan discovering cross plane engines lol

Kan, if you have firing order then it's a 4 stroke. Two stroke fires on auto-ignition everytime the cylinder reaches top dead centre.

Bro found the sm toilet seat equivalent for intros in gearblocks lmao

U can tell its a 4 stroke by the way the exhaust looks. 2 stroke has a resonator to provide back pressure while the piston is moving infront of the exhaust port and the chamber has relative negative presure; to pull in fresh air and fuel better

You should also try extending the stroke of the pistons

Kan, I'd love to see you engineer a wishbone cantilever suspension with steering and a drive axle. I'm struggling a bit with my 8x8. I used ball joints on my steering and cv axles for my drive but there's some tension somewhere I can't figure out how to get rid of it

Ah yes, the "upside-down sky toilet" 😆

There are 90 degree offset engines, they call them 270 but they are super popular in motorcycles today

7:03 some engines do that in real life. Its called a crossplane crankshaft

8:00 the only two I2 engines I've had any experiance with have had the 180 crankshaft setup. my Ranger and my dad's old John Deere Model B. they sound like like your first test engine. it gets a bit drony after a while...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "timing" refer to when during the compression stroke ignition takes place?

I'm just a Petrol head and I'm not completely sure. But I think the Firing order is only important for the Ballance of the engine to reduce Stress on essentially every part of it.

Can you also do a video on stroke length because I thought it actually worked when you tried raising the piston from the crank

with the engine firing order script tool with the mouse wheel you can scroll to infinite firing order

also u can tell form the otuside if its 2 stroke or 4 stroke in a 2 stroke the top part dosnt exist the fuel comes in trought ports that the psiton closes and nto the valves it would eb impossble for this to be a 2 stroke

Playing this game I think it’s safe to say these engines are 4 stroke. Also another channel called brokeboybuilds made a video also showing timing doesn’t affect power

I wonder if you could make a valve chop sounding engine with crank offsets

actually the twin engine from the Fiat Panda is in fact a 900cc synchronous 2 cylinder engine. I drove one a copule of times and i can tell you that you can really feel the balancing issues, like from the 1000 to the 2000 rpm feeling like driving an old tractor and over that range it finally becomes smooth 7:59

A American V8 engen hav a 90° of set on its crank, that's way it has its dip roaring sound. A European V8 has a 180° of set and has a higher pitch sound and a better performers curv att higher rpm.

Kan in 3 years Today we are finally puting one of our engines into a car

Is there logic parts in the game? Maybe you can set up some sort of benchmark to test your configurations

2 stroke fires every time at the top. 4 stroke fires every other time at the top. So a 2 stroke can fire all cillinders at the top at the same time as 1 big cillinder on a 4 stroke you have to balance on which side you fire. Ingame you don't feel vibrations but in the real world you do!

You can’t figure out much with the output at idle, you need to look at the peak output (it’s maximum power and torque)

Hovering that far above the landscape makes me unreasonably uncomfortable.

you should try making a video about engine position

You should try to build a Subaru boxer engine lol

Awesome video dude!!

I hope you could make a V10

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17:10 that is a crossplane ish engie lol

So what if you were to make an engine where the shafts are 180° offset but the firing order is 1-1-1-1 or something? Would it not work, as it would irl or would it just ignore that?

Will you be making more Zeepkist videos?

Does the exhaust note change on the i160 if you attach a single pipe to each as one header instead of a bunch of singles

You take 1 piston . Make it run . Slow it down and see if the sound of the explosion happens every second ore fourth time the piston reaches TDC

There are one cylinder engines. There is a tractor that uses one cylinder engine.

Untick RPM on the torque curve, because the rpm numbers are bigger you can't see what the power and torque is doing

Use the 160 cylinder engine as a starter for a bigger engine

90° of certain cranks have been used for years and 90% of American muscle.

Does "firing order" even make sense if it's not a four stroke engine?

The cylinders dont have ports. The cylinder head has valves. Its a 4t.

wish you would have removed the rpm scale from the graph so we could have seen better details of the power a torque curves .

you have said "right" like a milion times in this video lol

When is the next rail roads online episode?

this is a 4 stroke, why?: Valves

For a 4 stroke in a 2 piston engine is 1 & 3. For a 2 stroke its 1 and 2. .. ... just what till kan finds out about 3 stoke and 5 stroke engines.

can you make a v8 now because youve made these 4 cyllenders but i want to see you figure out timing and stuff with a v8

Why dont you use an electric motor with auto braking for the dyno?

8:01 Fiat 126p enters the chat

4 stroke is suck, squeeze, bang blow.

I think it is time to make a car and put any engine in it

@kANGaming firing order are works only on sound for self setting for stroke sounds, and double audio pitch is for two/four-stroke engine sounds but this system maybe cool if you fargot set a firing order engine not get down HP and kW but I know realistic in games are not same, game can be similar system in real life but can't is same in real and can downgrade fps with high precision of engine physics on firing order.

Suck squeeze bang blow is the 4 strokes or cycle. 2 strokes is suck bang.

180 degree between is smoother 0 degree in between acts liek 1 big piston

Why have a firing order on a 2 stroke, each cylinder will fire every rotation.

7:05 depends on what you mean, a cross plane crank is effectively 90° but not really, rod journal 1 and 2 are at 90° to each other as are 3 and 4 but 2 and 3 are 180 out from each other.

Why is The first thing I see when I click on the video is kan sitting on a floating upside down toilet?

can we get kAN to build w16 from Bugatti Veyron?

You never turned into a 2 stroke

It is called a 2 stroke engine

My starter won’t start the engine because it just stops working

2 strokes have alot more high end than 4 strokes.... 4 strokes make more tq and accelerate faster

Please attach an engine to a car already it's been weeks you've kept me waiting 😭

day three of asking kan to make a rear engine riding lawnmower

Kan do you hear me?

7:51 that's basically average output, if you have a method to graph it or visualize it somehow you can look at the power pulses to find out.

Day 1 of asking Kan to play grasslands hide & seek map :)

Hi!

0:29 except scrap mechanic is so scuffed in so many ways.

This isn’t hide and seek…..

I made a spud powered engine in scrap mechanic if you want to check it out??

I give up. He didnt proof anything🫣 He just mismatched the stuff… UFF… If it is a 2-stroke Inline 4, with standard 4-stroke crank, it would be 1-2-2-1 not 1-2-1-2…. Also the 2cylinder, having the Crank 180° apart means jt should be 1-2 firing order on a 2-stroke too…. I think it doesnt make a time difference, its just in which order they fire, but all fire when they are at TDC…

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5:09 shouldn't the 4 cycle 2 cyl be 1&3 or 4&2 on the firing order maybe?

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