WHICH IS LONGEST?! 2024 LOW SPIN DRIVERS - Qi10 LS vs DarkSpeed LS vs Ai Smoke Triple Diamond 

Says whom? I play in the club championship each year at my golf club. If something fits me better than what I have, I change. Whether that be shaft, head, etc.. Didn't see it last year - we'll see this year. Early testing has the Qi10 LS being significantly more forgiving than my SIM2 with about 3mph more ball speed.

So you don’t want better dispersion and better ball speeds of the heel and toe for your misses?

unless you crack your driver face due to old age….

I was quite surprised in the swing speed loss in the Paradym. I got fit for the AI Smoke and I tried both the Max and the Triple Daimond and had no difference at all in my swing speed until the fitter had me try a noticeably heavier shaft than I was used to. I agree with what you said, a shaft change may resolve that slower speed.

Yup, match the swing weight to the cobras. Counterbalance or change up the weights.

Yeah I have chatted to TJ about doing a fitting vid, we are both insanely busy but will see if we can get it done 👊 and that's the one negative to TM drivers not having adjustable weights, well I'm sure they do/will but TM won't send me any 🤷 so if someone does do better with a lighter swingweight I generally don't end up fitting them with the TM 😂

I loved it…. I swing 115-120

Got the same setup and it bombs

Same here but the top of the driver flew off at a simulator over the weekend. Waiting on the claim to get a new one.

Exactly. Or take the backweight out, Swingweigth and maybe spin goes down

Doesn't it just become an X instead of LS at that point?

Been that way for years now.

Thanks Bill. Well we have a meeting with them soon so we will see how it goes 👀👀

@@epgolfstudios I have booked a swing eval session for next week, and go in much more educated thanks to your channel. He will perform a TPI first...which only now learned abt. Interesting. Then off to Trackman or whichever device he uses. Then a lesson plan, or nine hole on course session.

@@billburbank4314 sounds great! Hope it gives you some great feedback 👍👍

​@@epgolfstudioswaiting for Ping too. Currently gaming a 400 max and want to see if there's any point in changing. The 430 is in my radar.

@@jimwocha4949 thats what i had and went to the 430 LST and its been the best driver iver ever had and way more forgiving than you might think, i did have the Stealth in between because i couldnt stand noise of the 425

I'll ask him and see if he fancies a fitting video 👍

Exactly what i was thinking!

Yeah GC Quad measures true spin based on what ball you are using. You cant manipulate the software, not as far as I know anyway

That was mainly strike in all honesty. He just hit the LTD X higher in the face on average and that would be where the lack of ball speed would be coming from. Out the middle they would be the same.

Unfortunately we don't do Ping

That's one of the issues with the Qi10. I don't have adjustable weights. And even though I'm sure TM will have some they won't give them to me. So I can't reduce the head weight to match the Cobra. Which ultimately does put them at a bit of a disadvantage for a lot of players and essentially means I sell a lot less Taylormade drivers

@@epgolfstudios smart business decision by TaylorMade…. Not!

@@cameronloveless1751 the logic of big brands mate 🤦😂

That's why I talk about efficiency so much. The efficency was the same with the newer clubs, which means if they all had the samw swing speed, the ball speeds would be the same.

@@epgolfstudios yep - it was interesting to see that only 2 swing weights caused a feel diff.

Yeah if it were a fitting video we certainly would have been playing around with that. For this video it was to directly compare against the set up he had. You kinda have to define the video before you start out or it gets too messy. We could have started playing with those weights, but could have done the same with the Qi10, put lighter weights in the Callaway ect ect, before you know it the video is an hour long.

ive got popcorn @@epgolfstudios

Really makes very little difference when it comes to driver in terms of initial spin rates. Maybe aero outside might be different but would need extensive testing

No. It highlights that the gamer shaft for buddy isn’t a good fit, and he’s incredibly inefficient with driver

Yes out the middle they haven't been quicker for a long time. But now they are also close to max forgiveness I believe too. Where do they go from here 👀👀

@@Brooks_Cupcake TJ has always had a tendency to hit it high in the face which is why he lacks efficiency. Even when testing other stuff so it's a swing thing more than a club thing

I think the nuance is that the newer drivers are more forgiving, to an extent. I think everyone’s LS driver is not extreme anymore, more like 22-2300 spin versus having a driver at 1900-2000 spin. These driver are stable low spin, if that isn’t an oxymoron.

I'm assuming you mean swing speed? And I'm afraid I can't really help you there. Which model you need isn't really linked to swing speed, it's about how you actually deliver the club into impact. Only way to really know which is best is get fitted and get proper numbers on a Quad 👌

I typically struggle with adding too much dynamic loft and come in a little steeper

@@pbcunha1 then yes LS would be better

Absolutely no idea what this means 😂

Yeah I can't say I disagree. It's almost certainly hurting from a mass market perspective. People go watch Rick Shiels (or me! 🤣) Show that there isn't much distance difference in new Vs old and that may well put them off. And rightly so. I only do these videos to be honest and transparent about the performance of clubs to try and help people. People's expectations are high and although I sell clubs for a living I also charge for my time so I can be honest and not need to sell clubs if it isn't going to benefit the player. But ultimately it does come down to fitting now. If you have a modern driver that is badly fitted, or not fitted at all, likely the performance numbers will be sub optimal and therefore not getting what you should out of it. Especially at most amateurs believe they need a 10.5* and I actually fit wayyyy more people into an 8* than I do 10.5* 👀👀

We were testing the 2024 LS drivers. Stealth is the old model and we don't do Ping, but their new one wouldn't be in this category anyway.

Not sure what you mean by weird results, all we do is hit drivers and show the data and be as honest and open as we can about what we see 🤷

Why is it weird? And the manufacturing did change a few years ago. Used to be that drivers were made with variance built in so that none would violate limits. That meant some were hotter and others were unnecessarily slow. A few years ago, companies like Titleist and TaylorMade started testing heads and tuning during manufacturing to ensure they were all maxed out. There's always a trade-off to everything in life but tech does matter. That's why no pros play steel shafts in their driver today. It matters. How much is another question. And it's not up to you to manage the spending of others. I'm sure if we inspected your spending habits, we'd find many inefficiencies.

mate down here in New Zealand they are 1300 of our bucks! Crazy

1300 Wow, The taxes in your country must be off the charts For a golf club to cost That much. Hello from GEORGIA USA ! 🏌🏌