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The Paid Promotion Banner that appears at the beginning of the video does not apply to the 3 contenders. It applies to the Geckota Ocean Scout which is on my wrist towards the end of the video. It is a loan piece on long term review. Thank you :)
Over the last three videos I have reviewed what I believe to be the best contenders for the coveted title of "Best Pelagos 39 Homage".
Those are the Seestern S430 Titanium, The San martin SN0121G and the Octopus Kraken OCT010...all very good watches in their own right. I actually own the Seestern and bought the other two also for review so there is no favouritism here!
If you want to see the separate Pelagos 39 Homage reviews prior to watching the result then the links are below.
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Octopus Kraken OCT010
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@wiseguygazette Год назад

Great job John. An outstanding and honest comparison. You were not biased at all toward the Seestern which is in your collection. All three of these are great options from what I have seen.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thank you kindly!

@paulvon2378 3 месяца назад

San Martin is the better watch but not as good as my Tudor. No offense.

@johnswatchjoint Месяц назад

No offense but of course none are as good as your Tudor but there are no Tudors here?

@WristWatching Год назад

Team 🐙 rise up! Excellent comparison, John. Very in-depth and fair. It’s great to finally have a video comparing these 3 watches. You’re going to make a lot of people’s purchasing decision much easier.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

I hope so but of course the watch would be out of stock everywhere wouldn't it? Haha. As we say in Scotland...Nae Luck Min!

@ikeman5774 Год назад

For me, the Octopus gets the nod. For me, the deciding factor was the bracelet. I like the thicker links of the Octopus over the other 2. All the watches are great. Good review.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thanks Ike 🙂

@daynevickers1079 Год назад

Totally agree with you... the bracelet was also the deciding factor for me in choosing the Octo. Plus, I kinda like the name!

@thegorn Год назад

The San Martin is a banger - love that dial treatment.

@SuperDojdoj Год назад

I am happy "my" watch won! :D However the elephant in the room should have a weight penalty for not being titanium. And therefor Seestern should have second place. San Martin is in full steel, and finishing is much easier. Loved every second of the review, very well executed. Great job!

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Haha ..thanks my friend ;)

@karlsenula9495 Год назад

I could see this calculus changing when San martin comes out with a V2 which will likely be in Titanium.

@SuperDojdoj Год назад

@@karlsenula9495 Yes indeed! I just got delivery today of SN0111-T. Obviously not a P39 homage, but titanium work on this San Martin is really good. And the clasp is awesome! I will review it on Ali after a few days wear.

@adk7962 Год назад

That’s a hell of a detailed and honest comparison. Most of my Aliexpress Brand watches are San Martins and Seesterns (hopefully they get you that replacement clasp very soon - I’ve dealt with their customer service, and they were always very professional and quick with me). Now I’m going to have to give Octopus a look. Thanks for taking the time to do this!

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Cheers Albert, once I started it was a long haul!

@allenb4823 7 месяцев назад

Your reviews are incredibly well done...I have the Blue Octopus Titanium...kind of wish I had purchased the Seestern Blue for a shiner dial...wear it on a blue rubber strap...super light.

@johnswatchjoint 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Allen. Hopefully another review up tonight but having some issues .. 😕

@realwarriorscholar 20 дней назад

Excellent review John! I’m going to pick up the Octopus Kraken. Thank you for the details!

@edwardsjohnpaul Год назад

For such a long watch review video, I really *really* enjoyed watching that. The best part was the watch you own is the one with the lowest score (!), which makes me wonder: what weighted value do we put on, for example, how much we like the dial, or bezel insert, or "feel", or some other bias? Maybe a topic for another day, and certainly a very personal measure. Great video, great review format, which I hope to see again.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thanks for that! Remember to subscribe to see more content :)

@claycox5285 Год назад

Thank you for the in depth review John. I'm leaning towards the Octopus for my next purchase.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

It was long but to be fair they were evenly matched on balance!

@RabbitWatchShop Год назад

Thankfully my SM fits well, especially with the new clasp. SM needs to release half-links that can be purchased separately. A lot of fans have been requesting it to no avail.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Me included!

@dr_solrac4241 Год назад

I personally think all three watches are great options. I have to admit that I prefer the San Martín over the octopus just because I’ve read that the pt5000 movement although very accurate also has winding problems and some over-time issues, plus I just love the way San Martín uses the 42mm Pelagos design on a 39mm which fits more confortable on the wrist.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thanks for watching and commenting. That is why I like doing these videos, everyone has a different opinion. My watch can last haha! The stories about the pt5000 are older stories. A well oiled and regulated PT5000 is an excellent choice, they do feel different when winding, much as a Miyota 9 series feels different. :)

@XjohnjohnX88 Год назад

I love comparisons, and I'm clearly not disappointed with this one! Very complete and honest comparison. You're are already one of my favorite RU-vidr (about watches) because you're are one of the most honest, if not the most honest ! Please, never change 🙏 Your channel is successful, and it's fully deserved. Good holidays, John! (And sorry about my English, it's sometimes awful 😅 (I'm french))

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

So glad you are enjoying the content. Merci beaucoup 🙏

@bensynewsshoedown4999 Год назад

Mega review, no wonder you're taking a holiday, John. Have a great one. Very fair and interesting review, in more detail than any other reviewer. Thanks and have a great holiday.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thanks my friend ...long time no- hear!

@bensynewsshoedown4999 Год назад

@@johnswatchjoint John it's holiday time, but I've watched bits of some of your P-39 reviews, but really enjoyed this one most of all! Each is a winner.

@daynevickers1079 Год назад

Well done! Your scoring system is to be commended, very thorough, impartial and concise. I've had my Octopus for about a month and love it.... it has displaced every watch in my collection since the day it arrived. I also own the San Martin (in blue), it's also a great watch, and I've had none of the bezel issues yours has. Interestingly enough, My Octo's lume is definitely longer lasting than the San Martin, so that was interesting to me. Any one of these watches is a fine choice, but, for me, the lightness and comfort of the Octo, along with the excellent bracelet that mimics the Pelagos' perfectly, has me feeling pretty good about it. Thanks again on a job VERY well done, John!😁

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Hi Dayne and thank you. It is very hard to please everyone but I put a lot of effort into the system and I think it did its job!

@daynevickers1079 Год назад

@@johnswatchjoint yes, indeed! I appreciate your efforts. Here's hoping your channel grows precipitously!

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thanks 🙏...that would be great ;)

@glencromusic Год назад

Love the format of this comparison - great job! 😃👍 All great watches - I ordered the octopus last week 😁

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Good choice!

@edteach3r Год назад

Well done, John! Most entertaining. You were quite generous in forgiving the mistakes - IMO, the clasp on the Seestern and the misaligned bezel on the SM should have been a “3” at best. 😊 I don’t own any of these brands, but I agree that the Seestern would be my preferred choice. I stopped liking San Martin since they started using the new branding (very subjective) and “Octopus” just seems odd to me. I agree with your observation that the uniform appearance of the Seestern works best. Enjoy the well-deserved hols, John!

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thanks for popping in Ed and thanks...I will enjoy my break :)

@Will67267 7 месяцев назад

Great content for people who can’t afford a real Tudor Pelagos.

@johnswatchjoint 7 месяцев назад

Which is most of us haha 😆

@johnholkham2420 Год назад

Hard choice, I have just received the Black Seestern today. First impressions are good, the watch head really captures the Tudor look and feel with good fine brushing and a very nice case. The bezel insert is very impressive and it lines up . Crown is easy to use not stiff. Overall the head of watch is 9 out of 10. The bracelet is less impressive although not bad but would have benefited it the bracelet was like the Octopus which looks much better. The bracelet is a little loose with gaps and the end links don’t quite match. The clasp is the poorest part , I seem to have received a mk 2 version with one hole which is now in the middle of the side of the side so there is still a gap but not as bad as the original. The bezel seems better and a little tighter than yours. I rate the bracelet as a 7 as brushed well but the clasp is a 5 as there is still a slightly bigger gap than necessary and the lack of adjustment. Overall the Seestern really captures the Tudor look and it would be a killer on Good rubber or leather strap. The Seestern really captures the Pelagos 39 look and when compared to original it is not shown up as the face , hands, AR, lume and bezel are of a high standard.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thanks for taking the time to share this :)

@Srulio 5 месяцев назад

I agree with you about San Marin. When my leather strap cracked after 6 months (or so) I contacted them about sourcing a replacement. I got a reply saying "not in stock". Too much promotion and not enough follow through.

@johnswatchjoint 5 месяцев назад

That's unfortunate. They will learn eventually that the customer is king ;)

@Pal-us9uv 7 месяцев назад

I ordered the black SM in titanium.

@michaeldasilva5079 Год назад

Hi John despite the mis-aligned bezel I like the San Martin as I prefer the blue version of the Pelagos as opposed to the Black one. Also it does look more like the 42mm Pelagos which I prefer to the 39mm version. The red text on the dial on the 39mm is just an eyesore for me.

@johnhanlon6061 Год назад

I really like the Octopus, it looks really well finished.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

It is good. Of the three it is the least best finished. But the other two are VERY well done so it still doe itself proud.

@czguy3045 Год назад

Interesting comparison.I have the San Martin and I really like it overall. I don't mind the stainless construction at all, nor do I mind the finer crown and bezel edges. Great finishing overall. Nice piece of glass on top. Great bracelet and one of the best clasps in my collection regardless of price and I love the overall look. My bezel is aligned perfectly and I feel it has less blackplay than yours does. I don't notice as much difference between the colors of the dial vs the bezel vs the chapter ring but I do wish the paint on the pinion was a bit closer of a match. Definitely not a deal-breaker but I feel that is the #1 hindrance... assuming one doesn't mind the stainless construction. Overall, I'd rate it 8.5/10 which is about where your figures tallied up.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Very detailed and honest thoughts on your watch. Had I had your watch the result may have been different...but then again if my watch shipped with the correct clasp then I would have been a lot happier also. It's all if and buts of course and I just dealt with what I had in front of me as best I could. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.

@goldfools5445 Год назад

Very fair. As the SanMartin is really a Watchdives exclusive, SanMartin don’t even sell it, they have their own version of the Pelagos homage, it’s a bit of a funny situation as far as the brand goes. I bought the “WatchMartin” In black though. So no Color inconsistency and my bezel lines up perfectly. I will agree the clasp feels a bit sharp on the underside, which is a bit strange as I have the first watch that SanMartin used this clasp on and this one is fine. Anyhow. Fair judgement and a good review. I love the watch of this version that I bought, I wouldn’t buy any of the others including the actual SanMartin version as it’s just another black dive watch, without any point of difference. I might add, I wouldn’t buy the Pelagos 39 for the same reason.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thanks for that. Really appreciate the informed input :)

@MEGANIC070 Месяц назад

Nice comparison, but you didn't take the Thorn version into consideration. I have it with PT 5000 mechanics and I can tell you that even if the price is lower the build quality seems to be better. The rotating bezel has no play, making the emblazoned brands shiver and the bracelet has the management of quick-change links. With mechanics, PT 5000 or SW200. Paid €157. Logically it is also made of titanium.

@johnswatchjoint Месяц назад

This was a two parter and the Thorn wasn't released at the time. It has now been reviewed !

@timschwarze1739 Год назад

The Octopus is very tempting but I just love the look of the San Martin so I ordered the no date black version on Watchdives once it got restocked, since I've already had many good interactions with the San Martin folk and their watches! It's just perfect to me as I love the look of the 42mm Pelagos, especially because it is matte and so subdued, but not it's dimensions. Exact opposite for the Peli 39, can not get over the concentric brushing, especially on the bezel insert... Enjoy your holiday, John! Much love from Germany from a very recent subscriber

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Hi Tim and welcome aboard. Everyone has different tastes. All I can do is document and highlight :)

@timschwarze1739 Год назад

Thank you so much! I have to say, you do a really good job when it comes to comparisons, it's my favourite type of content and helps a lot when it comes to decision making. I like the detail of your scoring list, really hits the most important notes :)

@AlexanderB. Год назад

Excellent stuff! I enjoyed it!! First off: when a store offers bad customer service, call them out mate!! The San Martin actually isn't a Pelagos 39 homage, it's more a homage of the "regular" Pelagos that happens to be 39 mm in diameter. Now as for the result: what is going on here! I can't but agree with you! 🤣🤣🤣 I like the Octopus Kraken best and I was rooting for it! Perhaps I'm a little bit biased as I've experienced a San Martin with some QC issues lately and on the other hand an Octopus Kraken that's just perfect and that I love!! By the way Octopus Kraken and Baltany are essentially the same company.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Hi Alex....gonna have to stop agreeing haha. I had heard on the grapevine they Baltany and Octopus Kraken were linked somehow but if I cannot confirm it I would never say so. Glad you enjoyed it!

@Dirtywesterner Год назад

The San Martin blows the bb58 homage to bits

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Not in this case. Poor bezel alignment and terrible customer service. SM are getting a reputation for it :(

@Dirtywesterner 11 месяцев назад

@@johnswatchjoint I just got mine and it is a really nice piece, by far the best one I have gotten from the chicoms

@sneekerstattoo 9 месяцев назад

Cracking comparison video,thanks for sharing.

@johnswatchjoint 9 месяцев назад

No problem 👍

@robertdavies4644 Год назад

Really objective and honest comparison John. Just goes to show it's all about what works for you and your own personal prefences. Have a great holiday.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thank you Robert ..I need one, but look how far the channel has come in 11 months... It's all down to you guys and I really appreciate it 🙏

@user-ec5pd4cd7p 4 месяца назад

Love the comparison vids 👌

@johnswatchjoint 4 месяца назад

Thanks! 👍

@jez-s Год назад

Fantastic review, really enjoyed the points system… super surprised about the Lume!!! Thank you for this video… I’ll give it a 10/10 😂

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Cheers Jez...put it out there that this is the best points system review haha! I did put a lot of thought into the categories. Loooong video!

@jez-s Год назад

Thank you for the extra effort! It was worth it from my side, however I thought you were going on holiday first so assumed I’d be waiting for this for a while… needless to say I bought the octopus shortly after your last review. Would you consider reviewing an IX&Dao? Or a Glycine GL104x? Super keen to know your thoughts on them!!

@ladykoala208 Год назад

I have been waiting for this 3-way review and it was worth the wait! Such a detailed and considered review John, really, really good! For me, the Octopus name is just not a name I can live with on a dial, if they had a no name dial, maybe. If San Martin matched the lume on the Seestern that’s the one I would buy but then again the black one is sold out at the Watchdives store…AGAIN! Lol.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Yeah, the stock situation is frustrating for sure!

@ladykoala208 Год назад

@@sinjinadams2862 yeah I did see somewhere a titanium version is coming. That will probably sell out in 2 seconds lol

@davidruiz5028 Год назад

Really great review John, I appreciate all the time and effort you put into this review- I am now subscribed! I own the black dial w/date version of the San Martin and it's one of my favorites but you can't go wrong with any of these awesome watches. Cheers!

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Hi David and thanks for watching AND welcome aboard. Please note I will be quiet for a couple of weeks as it's family minibreak time....and I need the rest :)

@briancolyer8483 Год назад

Really enjoyable....I had the OK for the win, moving forward I'd like to see them use some pastel colours on the dail....🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⌚🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⌚

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Hey Brian. Glad you enjoyed it !

@briancolyer8483 Год назад

@@johnswatchjoint definitely, these type of comparisons are really useful....

@maximushornet 5 месяцев назад

Having considered all 3 in Individual videos and now this compare im opting for the San Martin .. I like the edge ramp of the markers and I don't have 1 of theirs lol .gotta be black tho and that clasp absolutely decides it

@johnswatchjoint 5 месяцев назад

I am sure you will enjoy it 😉

@robh.2400 Год назад

Great comparison! I just got my Seestern in the mail today from the Ali Express sale. I have to say I'm very impressed with it. The finishing is excellent, the crown is nice and smooth to operate, bezel action is great, and the alignment is perfect. Aside from the clasp I have no real complaints about it so far, and it has exceeded my expectations. I might have gotten lucky, but this one seems to be a keeper.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Great to hear!

@gonzaga3c Год назад

How much was it mate on the sale…and is it the nh38?

@robh.2400 Год назад

@@gonzaga3c yes, NH38 and it was around $230 total with discounts.

@PortugalCarp Месяц назад

Pity about the San Martin. I think they tried a tad too hard, trying to do a cross between the 39mm and 44mm Pelagos (the recessed indices).

@pauliewalnuts5241 3 месяца назад

Thank you for this review, it has helped me make a better decision on which watch to purchase. Cheers from 🇺🇸 🍻

@johnswatchjoint 3 месяца назад

Thanks Paul. No problem :)

@MPiKMS72 Год назад

Great video, good job! I think I like the Seestern best too.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Me too!

@Dutch_Flux Год назад

I have the San Martin in black with date, no qc issues apart from the "sharp" clasp. I like the fact that it is stainless steel and it looks like the full sized Pelagos in the 39mm package.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

I am glad your San Martin is fine as it seems to be a thing with them at the moment. Hearing this from subscribers to the channel and from other reviewers....maybe trying to emulate Seiko haha!

@libertyisparamount1443 6 месяцев назад

I really appreciate this video. Me, I don't care about the bracelet, and it boils down to - the Seestern is bulkier, while the Octopus' lume is subpar... Hard choice. Also, I am new to chinese watches and the obnoxious branding is really bothering me. The Thorn has EXPLORATION ROAD, ffs. ??? Seestern seems the way to go...

@johnswatchjoint 6 месяцев назад

As I said earlier focus on the good. Look at some of the Western brand names today...they don't make any sense either ;)

@Kobayashhi Год назад

Quite a lineup man, thanks for the very useful review !

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

My pleasure!

@ddeusify Год назад

Great great revue, John. Thank you for your excelent work. All the watches are very very good for the price. Big time watches for the Chinese micro brands. I love all. Unbeatable value. Obviously i prefer always hi beat movments, date, and karisma watches. This is not the case of course, we talk about homages. But the quality it's here. Warm regards.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment :)

@williamsipe1151 Год назад

I heartily hope you can get your hands on the Tudor and do this same comparison between the OK and the OG. Excellent review

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

The Tudor is my grail but I won't buy one as my lifestyle wouldn't justify it. I pretty much destroy watches and would have to constantly baby it....this is why I love homages and come down on their side :)

@AliasHSW Год назад

Algorithm brought me to this channel a few days ago. Have been skim binging and enjoying your videos. 👍🏼✌🏼

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Awesome! Thank you!

@neilbraun11 Год назад

I feel like you've never seen a pelagos in person. The San Martin's dial is spot on to a real pelagos. The case and lugs are spot on. The finish dang near spot on. The back play on the bezel is garbage but the noise is the closest to the original sound of the tudor as well. The design isn't a pelagos 39 it's a regular pelagos just shrunk which is what everybody complains about with the real tudor. If you're comparing all these to only the p39 then it doesn't belong in the comparison.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

The comparison was done because my subscribers requested a comparison of those specific watches. Of course I have handled a REAL Pelagos in person and yes it is a shrunken version of the 42. But thanks for the insults. Always good to know intolerance is alive and well .

@neilbraun11 Год назад

@@johnswatchjoint it's not an insult it's an observation. Let's everybody step away from the ledge here

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

To tell me I haven't seen a Pelagos in person was pretty much insulting. I try to stay away from material I am not experienced in...then look to experience it. I do this for fun and help my subscribers out as much as I can. I can't do anymore than that. It is a hobby and I am no professional.

@antoniopintomonteiro5907 2 месяца назад

Hello John! That is a very nice review! How would you rate the THORN with these 3 watches?

@johnswatchjoint 2 месяца назад

It's up there...in the end it's gonna be down to personal choice 🤗

@antoniopintomonteiro5907 Месяц назад

@@johnswatchjoint Thank you John!

@watchsixto Год назад

Awesome comparison John i wasn't sure who would've won but absolutely right 👍 👌

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thanks and glad you enjoyed it my friend

@itsallrobbish 11 месяцев назад

Great review. I’ll definitely get the Octopus, but they are hard to get hold of.

@jb678901 7 месяцев назад

Too many suckers?

@chetcarey4988 10 месяцев назад

John: superb comparison - I ordered a blue Octopus Kraken watch during the Summer Sale - I opted for PT5000 movement, but am curious if you think that upgrading to the Swiss made Sellita movement (SW200) might have been worth the extra $120 in cost. Thx!

@johnswatchjoint 10 месяцев назад

Hi Chet. When buying from Ali Express. Personally I think the best value for money decision is to opt for the PT5000. Good solid movement that is accurate. I have found Selita movements not worthy of the extra expense. Your mileage may vary. :)

@jb678901 7 месяцев назад

As a long time resident of Switzerland, I am terribly disappointed in your answer...yet...would humbly have to agree with you. I find both the PT5000 and the ST2130 are very good movements in terms of dependability and performance. Sure, the finishing on the SW200 is better...but it hasn't delivered a better amplitude/accuracy, as far as I can determine. For the money, the PT5000 typically delivers incredible value for a 4Hz movement.

@johnrb9397 Год назад

Great one John. Did you touch upon price or did I miss that one?? The whole vid was entertaining 👍

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Yep...9 all around.....

@juriendekter5042 Год назад

I have the blue Octopus. Its lume plots are slightly off at 3 and 9. The bezel when aligned at 12, is a bit off at 3.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Time for customer service . Send it back. As you've seen, sometimes you will get unlucky :(

@Jason-hv4eu Год назад

Great comparison video! Well done👍🏻😊

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thank you! 👍

@cosmodoc Год назад

Very useful video, thanks!!!

@dunderhay9169 Год назад

Very thorough comparison 👍. My only suggestion is that San Martin should have lost a point on finishing, because Stainless is much easier to finish and the watch was supposed to be titanium.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Yeah, But I had already deducted 2 points for it not being the truest homage, another dock and SM fans would have been all over me haha!

@dunderhay9169 Год назад

@@johnswatchjoint Good point 😁

@SW-rn6fe Год назад

I own the kraken, so I'm glad it won, even though this was entirely subjective. Thanks for the work you put into this.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Thanks for watching!

@karlsenula9495 Год назад

I know both San Martin and Seestern are know for coming out with a second and if necessary 3rd version to correct any issues. I am curious - what would you recommend they correct (i.e. Titanium for the San Martin)? And if they do this would it significantly change the ranking?

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

To be honest I would not recommend anything really. As far as I am concerned they should be able to get it right first time. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the early adopters who now have a watch that has been superseded in a matter of weeks so they will lose money selling their watch to upgrade. Most won't so that will leave dead stock. That dead stock is then sold off cheaply, this driving the price down further. A vicious cycle really. The San Martin is a good watch on its own and many people liike it as it is a mix of the 39 in style but the 42 in materials. The Seestern has already been sorted as a result of both my review and many others raising it. The watches are all closely matched but perform better in different areas. Thanks for the question :)

@michaeldasilva5079 Год назад

Hi again John I take it the issues you raised about the San Martin watch were with the Tactical Frog store and not San Martin/Watchdives?

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

That is correct.

@jamezyboy1974 Год назад

Great review for me it would be the octopus. So what are you getting done to the clasp on the seestern? As I’ve noticed it’s a problem on this watch !

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Still waiting on replacement clasp but did receive initial refund on the original.

@jamezyboy1974 Год назад

Well if the clasp is fixed the seastern could be worth it

@nbcuni Год назад

Honestly the Seestern and the octopus are so similar that the only real deciding factor for me is the extra row of text on the bottom of the dial on the Seestern. That dial needs 3 rows of text down there. Not 2.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

The Seestern has a sharper case finish and a better set of hands. The octopus has the best bezel action and superb insert...and a bracelet that is better. They are evenly matched in different ways :)

@darrenfry4695 Год назад

Octopus 🐙 for me, great review my friend..

@karlsenula9495 Год назад

Not being an early acquirer of one of these I will look to see if San Martin comes out with a Titanium version ... that said as they currently are I would lean towards the Octopus Kraken. I do want this in blue dial however.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

It looks very nice. I believe Random Rob did a brief review on one yesterday? :)

@stefanwerner4373 10 месяцев назад

Hi i have got my on SM Titan 39 last days, perfect watch for the Money

@michaeldasilva5079 11 месяцев назад

Hi again John. San Martin / Watchdives have now released a titanium version. Would you consider reviewing it?

@johnswatchjoint 11 месяцев назад

Hi Michael. Sorry but I have too many watches in for review and cannot allocate extra funds at the moment but I do have a San Martin Surprise coming up in the next couple of days 🙂

@curtisbrown7991 Год назад

John, have you handled the new Ipose 39mm titanium diver? I bought one yesterday. Hoping it's on par with these.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

No I haven't as it is a brand new release. Unfortunately I won't be getting one in as I have done enough content on Pelagos 39 homages for the moment! :)

@itsallrobbish Год назад

VERY comprehensive. Great video.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Glad you think so!

@D3ZG1978 7 месяцев назад

Would you now say the Thorn homage is better than these after your recent videos..?

@johnswatchjoint 7 месяцев назад

From my experience they are all very good. The subsequent IXDAO titanium watch I received was sub standard but was an abhorration from what other users say. My personal take is that the Thorn is best with the Seestern next but these things are subjective. In your mind you have made up your mind on specs and looks alone so that is more important to you than what I think :)

@D3ZG1978 7 месяцев назад

@@johnswatchjoint thanks for the reply! I just find it interesting as thinking of picking up a pelagos homage but the Thorn is cheaper than the rest… IMO the Thorn and seestern look the best and I don’t really want Octopus splashed across my watch 🤣

@dominicfurfaro8577 Год назад

Great reviews!

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Glad you like them!

@Girpon3 11 месяцев назад

The "look like grail" score is a bit off, as actually the San Martin looks identical to the original Pelagos. Which i also think was its intent; to create a watch which looks identical to the original Pelagos, but in a smaller size. I think that should be taken into consideration as that COULD be the grail for some, and then this watch is the only solution if the original Pelagos is too large

@johnswatchjoint 11 месяцев назад

...but it isn't titanium ;)

@Girpon3 11 месяцев назад

@@johnswatchjoint That is true! Aside from that, do you have any clue whether these color differences you mention are also an issue on the black model? (San Martin)

@johnswatchjoint 11 месяцев назад

I couldn't tell you to be honest. I only comment when I have handled a watch :)

@rafaelacosta304 3 месяца назад

San Martin chapter ring detail make it better

@Griffin283 Год назад

Can’t wait for my titanium SanMartin P39 to arrive!

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Let me know how you get on ;)

@brianfromireland Год назад

Excellent review

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Glad you liked it!

@CG-ql5rr Год назад

I got the same SM in blue,i can live with different shades of blue,but with this thing you can peel potatoes. Sharp edges everywhere, but mostly at the clasp and bracelet. How hard was for SM to smooth down a bit 😢

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Agreed!

@CG-ql5rr Год назад

@johnswatchjoint today i smooth the underside of the case,bracelet and clasp using wet 1500 sandpaper, now is nice and comfortable on the wrist

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

That is dedication 💪

@CG-ql5rr Год назад

@johnswatchjoint not really, just trying to figure it out how hard would have been for SM QC to finish off the product to an ordinary standard . No other parts were blemished in the process though. This is my 3rd SM and i thought they improved their process, but no.

@marcosd999 8 месяцев назад

Good review. My only criticism, the clasps on the Seestern and Octopus are completely wrong, yet they didn't get marked down for that. You didn't like the colouring of the San Martin, why didn't you review the black one?

@johnswatchjoint 8 месяцев назад

Incorrect... the Seestern lost a few marks for the clasp and customer service as they were unhelpful. Did you actually watch the series of videos as this is just the result!

@marcosd999 8 месяцев назад

@@johnswatchjoint I did. The clasp on the Seastern is tiny, has no on the fly adjustment or divers extension. It is supposed to be a diver, and You're reviewing it as a Pelegos homage, what does the original have?

@johnswatchjoint 8 месяцев назад

So did I take any marks away so in essence the aseestern did not win because of it? Sorry if you are a Am fan boy but it wasn't the best. I also reviewed the blue version because I thought it looked better than black. My choice and it didn't look good close up. We are looking at budget pelag homage here. They are not going to have the bells and whistles... That's the point. Appreciate your opinion but you are isolated here as the other comments confirm...

@TimRobertsen 9 месяцев назад

Handwritten lists are 👌

@johnswatchjoint 9 месяцев назад

Glad you think so!

@bluecollarwatches7048 Год назад

Of those 3 I own a Seestern watch, San Martin I’ve always felt are overpriced and the octopus seems great for the money. One thing I’ve learned about AliExpress watches, for the most part they all come from the same factory, I even had an individual message me that works there but later deleted his comments from my channel. His comment was they all come off the same line, they just gear up differently for each brand that’s rolling through the line that day or week. If you search through RU-vid and google this subject you’ll see it’s quite a accurate statement. They are way more better build quality than I expected, can’t remember the one guys channel but he has some factory video tours, in the one tour they are actually making invictas when he goes through.

@gervisry6195 Год назад

Have had the same problem with seestern. They promised me to send me an extra clasp. Contacted them like 8 times. Each time they said it's on its way. That was a year ago. Even asked them for track and trace which they couldn't provide me. Lying is what they do best.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Seems to be too true. Sad!

@bifflee3603 Год назад

I ordered a San Martin in the sale, it never arrived and no I've got the Hassle of trying to get my money back 😫

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

It is important to remain calm and do not give in. There is a time limit. When the time is up, put in your claim. Once it escalates and there is no proof of delivery you will get your money back either via Ali themselves or as a last resort via PayPal. Your money is just saved in another place at present...not lost ;)

@user-lt3ce2xh4s Год назад

IXDAO also released the 39mm titanium pelagos diver watch.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Yep. Saw it yesterday.

@user-lt3ce2xh4s Год назад

@@johnswatchjoint hope for the review lol

@joshuachin 11 месяцев назад

great video !

@johnswatchjoint 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for the visit

@torrescomments8374 Год назад

Seestern wins, by a long shot, simply by having the least ugly logo.... SM would be my choice but that hex logo always stops me... shame

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Would love it if comparisons were that simple...:)

@hamzapeer518 Год назад

If the bezel was well aligned (which most of the people do have), the SM would have caught up to the kraken 😉

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

...and if my Seestern didn't have the clasp and customer service issue it would have won....no ifs and buts here...just the result and results are fair and final ;)

@mr.eswatchreviews Год назад

I got to say John it was pretty funny I was sitting here hmmm I wonder if he's Scottish or Irish then you made the comment about liking to haggle so I'm like 95% sure your Scottish lol I only say this because my best friend is a direct descendant of Robert the Bruce and he explained to me how the Scots love to haggle and of course I am of Irish descent so I hope I didn't offend I just found that very funny

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Haha no offence taken, but when it comes to buying watches, we all have to be Scottish. Come on, practice the accent! "Naw am nae payin that fur it min".

@adamski101 10 месяцев назад

Plus he sounds Scottish and not at all Irish...

@multipl3 Год назад

Knew the Seestern would win on the lume

@PapaTrump 10 месяцев назад

What’s your wrist size?

@johnswatchjoint 10 месяцев назад

6.75 inches

@stevenrobertson6656 Год назад

🐙 kraken deserved win 👍

@louislochner5713 Месяц назад

F22 legend 🫡

@SweetChinMusix Год назад

Part 3 IXDAO X02T new watch please?

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Saw that on Watchdives last night....

@SweetChinMusix Год назад

@@johnswatchjoint it looks better than octopus

@johnrb9397 Год назад

Licking my lips for this one ☝️

@alexi21san Год назад

Cronos I would say

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

You're on your own as you can there are only three here and no Cronos.

@palemale2501 11 месяцев назад

Pity we cannot get a watch that combines the best features of these 3 watches.

@johnswatchjoint 11 месяцев назад

There will never be a watch that suits everyone unfortunately....one thing I have found is that people prefer to disagree rather than be in agreeance haha!

@palemale2501 11 месяцев назад

Agreed - some of my own scores would have been slightly different than yours Some factors are more important than others but calculating weighting is difficult but required. Good job.@@johnswatchjoint

@pmoore512 Год назад

Please just get a real pelagos instead of buying these

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Please just hand me a sore £4000 Mr rich guy!

@pmoore512 Год назад

@@johnswatchjoint I'm sure you could save up and get one in a couple of years or less.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

Why...to please you?

@pmoore512 Год назад

@@johnswatchjoint no, I just sincerely think a person would be happier with the real thing, especially given the relative accessibility of pellies. I've seen older two-line ones for well under 3k USD. How much money do you think the average person who regularly watches these videos spends on ultra affordable watches in a year? I could be wrong, but I think it probably adds up quickly. So to answer your question, it's really to make the watch enthusiast watching your video happy.

@johnswatchjoint Год назад

I understand what you are saying but the personal messages I get are usually thank you messages from people the world over who have no access to the real thing. I would rather show homages than the obvious other route people go down. Personally I have owned a £2500 watch and absolutely regretted it because I did nothing but baby it the whole time. A watch is for telling time for me and I don't have to wear an expensive watch to feel good. I feel better wearing a reliable watch with good looks that is ultimately replaceable. This is the whole point of my channel. This is not an expensive watch channel. This is a channel tuned to more affordable pieces for the gent with a smaller wrist....and it is for fun. I respect your take also so no disrespect and no offence meant or taken :)