Alright so I’ve been informed SQT is considered part of the total SEAL pipeline, not a follow on school like I was under the impression originally, so we’ll add that in and put the duration to 1 year. I’m still not adding ranger school to Rangers, any of the infill platform schools or SOCM for special forces.
@@ValhallaVFT little known fact MARSOC obv has their own instructors for ITC but for selection they have a cadre made up of active duty raiders but also retired seals, SF, etc as civilian contractors
I came from the USMC into the USAF to be a Combat Controller. My world was flipped upside down in one day. I got to INDOC in 1999 and weighed 215 lbs of muscle. For context I am also retired 3 time world champion in Thai boxing. I was in incredible shape, tough, determined or so I thought. In one month I was down to 190 pounds. I can honestly say that I NEVER thought I would be able to perform as many physical and mental tasks in single day with no sleep, food, cold wet and hungry. Graduating was an accomplishment. The lessons I took from that course I carry to this day. Plus, you KNOW you can accomplish anything you put your mind to. Even being completely exhausted, sleep deprived, injured, wet and cold it gets done. KNOWING what you that ability to dig deep and overcome the worst of experiences is super power. USAF CCT/PJ pipeline in the late 90's was and is the hardest qualification of SOF. More than an 85 % attrition rate. Minimum of 2 years to finish if you aren't injured or set back. The indoctrination course (INDOC) was based on BUD's. The first two weeks were prep for Hell Week. The biggest difference is after Hell Week the course got harder, standards higher each week with the same events. You only got two attempts at any event to pass. Period. There was a curfew 24/7 regardless of rank, cannot walk during the duty day. No drinking, driving or porn. If the cadre saw you out in town they would drop you, smoke the shit out of you in front of the world. If you were caught you were eliminated and permantly DQ'd to reapply for integrity violation. The pool session were 4 hours everyday of controlled drowning. It was routine for trainees to pass out during the underwater tasks. The pool is where the majority of trainees quit. Friday pool session was guaranteed to get students to quit. Literally, the cadre would not end the session until someone quit. The cadre were pretty solid. You had a few that were complete cucks but they didn't get to influence much. However, if you were a hard worker, wouldn't quit and had issues they would bend over backwards to get youth graduate if possible. I was hurt. Had stress fractures in my shin and femur. They set me back and put me in charge of the Prep team to get guys ready to start training. This allowed me to heal and continue with training. Class graduations were ridiculous. There several classes that only one person graduated out 100-140 students. Most class size at graduation was 3-5 out of hundred of applicants. Keep up the great work. Good to see operators putting out quality material. God bless! JB
Cool man, thanks for the insight into the Airforce side of the house, obviously working off second hand information so it’s nice when dudes who’ve been through hop in to enlighten us.
You really did DO the work. Maybe after reading your post, Marines will humbly learn not to shittalk Airforce folks ever again. Any reason you didnt go STO/CRO instead of CCT?
I went through Air Force ATC school back in late 2001. My first day on the tower simulator was on 9/11. But yeah, we had combat controllers in my class. I was really surprised to learn they all had to make it through ATC training on top of everything else. That in itself is tough to get through. I mean, not physical obviously....you know what I mean.
@@joeg5414 Sorry for the slightly long comment, but I genuinely do hope you take the probably 1 minute to read it. Hey, as a former Air Force Special Warfare member (I was in Special Operations Weather Team as a recon specialist / or as they call it today AFSPECWAR SR) I just want to say that regardless of what job someone had in the military, so long as they served honorably and did their job to the best of their ability during the entirety of their service, they get my respect just the same. You don't have to be in Special Operations Forces to be a bad ass in my book. Thank you for what you did as well, because if you hadn't done your job, many of us couldn't have done ours as well.
USAF Pararescue (PJ) training has the highest washout rate in SOF of 90-95%. If you need to be recovered from behind enemy lines, you want the best of the best coming to save your life. “These things we do, that others may live.”
Rangers don't have a long pipeline but they raise a different breed. The dude joining the military with an option 40 contact will very likely see combat and very soon. After RASP you'll be attached with some serious dudes with a world of experience and knowledge. You'll be tested everyday. It's a hard job to get and very easy to lose. You'll be a 20 year old Specialist on your 2nd or 3rd deployment sitting on a 47 beside a PJ who is 40 and never been to combat because they were just in training the whole time. Ranger pipeline never ends.
That’s why I loved it We’re down range while the other guys are still in the school house Might be the ADHD speaking but I’m not sure I could have stayed focused long enough for anything else
I was a 80s/90s PJ. SF Combat Diver and SF HALO were part of our pipeline. Those are tough schools especially going through as an E-3 USAF guy. Immediately after the pipeline, I did SF Dive Sup, SF DMT, SF HALO JM and 3 years as a SF MFFI at Bragg. SF MFFI was brutal. Training never stops, I loved it and I miss it. Yes, I got my ass kicked the entire way and I did HALO JM/Dive Sup multiple times… I got to the 24th STS and training switched to “non-stop”
@@1anreit’s basic training reception for Fort Moore/Benning, so where people in infantry and armor osut initially report to. Sleep deprivation, waiting quietly for hours in formation just for the smallest things, and power-hungry civilian employees just to name a few things. I’ve heard people say they’d rather redo Ranger School than 30th AG.
To help shed some light on the MARSOC pipeline. The MARSOC pipeline consists of A&S (Assessment and Selection) 6 weeks consisting of 2 phases , ITC(Individual Training course) 9 months consisting of 5 phases, at which point you earn the MOS Marine Raider. However you can not go to your team without completing language school, and airborne and free fall usually around 7 months for those. Additionally MARSOC is what's called in the Marine Corps as a lateral move MOS only, so you have to be in the Marine Corps for at least two years before you can even start the process but most commonly Marines will attend A&S around 3 and half years in time service.
Is MARSOC so-posed to be the USMC version of Green Berets? Like are they dedicated to the same charter of Foreign Internal Defense and Tripple A? Or is there a unilateral aspect to MARSOC like the SEALs and Rangers?
Finally. Someone with an accurate comment. People forget that not all Special Operations schools are built the same. For example: While it's true that MARSOC is generally structured similarly to SFAS / Q-Course, they do not start language training (up to 6 months in duration) until AFTER they complete ITC--whereas SF starts language training during the Q-Course. Obviously, that alone would contribute to the differences in initial qualification training timeframes.
@@joesgotya9930Not exactly. However, they are certainly more similar to Army SF with UW/FID than SEALs, and certainly more than Rangers. Look at it this way when comparing each in terms of priority: * Army SF --- 1) UW/FID (nobody is better), and 2) Direct Action /Special Reconnaissance * Marine Raiders --- 1) Direct Action / Special Reconnaissance (in no particular order), and 2) UW/FID If you are really interested, I'd suggest reading Dick Couch's book 'Always Faithful, Always Forward: The Forging of a Special Operations Marine'. The book is about 10 years old now. Couch is a former SEAL (and CIA case officer) who was embedded with the Marine ITC class through the whole Selection/Training. He has written similar books for Rangers, SF, and SEALs--so he has credibility. He summarizes the following regarding MARSOC 'Critical Skills Operators' (note: that's their offical title; they were not colloquially called 'Raiders' yet at the time of his writing): * Marksmanship/Combat Shooting-Assault ---- he describes the initial training exceeding the other SOF forces He states "a distant 2nd would be the Rangers, and they're the elite light infantry-Direct Action component of SOCOM." So that should tell you something about the Raiders - note: they fire ~900 rounds/per day during their 5-week Direct Action phase, which is crazy--and several of their instructors are former SMU guys). * Direct Action ---- he describes them as being on par with SEALs (but doesn't really qualify how/why) * Special Reconnaissance ---- he states the other SOF units don't come close (this shouldn't surprise anyone.. they were born from the Force Recon companies). * Maritime (Amphibious) Capabilities ---- he describes them as 2nd only to the SEALS (keep in mind their initial amphibious training is similar to Marine Recon, and SEALs as well). Many Raiders go on to the USMC Combat Dive School as well. * UW/FID -----he states they are close to Army SF, but gives SF the edge. The last phase (Phase 4) of ITC is called 'Derna Bridge' and it is modeled almost identically to the Army SF 'Robin Sage' phase which teaches all things Unconventional Warfare (in the book, the Marines had Army SF has instructors). So, hope that helps. MARSOC is a "full-spectrum" SOF force. They do it all.
@@JGould-uu4kb Yea, I have to admit I wasn’t entirely read up about MARSOC raiders, but reading about their history and evolution as as a organization, i see just pure professionalism. In a lot of ways, id say they are outdoing the SEALs because they’re not feeding into that toxic leadership culture and they understand and respect the FID side of warfare.. They also have common sense understanding of the importance of getting along with conventional battle space owners. Much more versatile organization on so many levels.
The SWCC pipeline is roughly 8 months (including CQT). While not as long as BUDs (12 months with SQT), it also includes some of the same challenging evolutions - including water evolutions (not including diving). ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jJ-H8Mpt04c.htmlsi=skUJ07llLQDomsZ6
Only one I can speak on with first hand knowledge is the Ranger pipeline. I served with a lot of units from all branches and it may get a lot of heat but I can say the Ranger Battalion has some of the highest standards in the military. Hardest job to get, easiest job to lose. I’m sure I’m bias but I believe we are some of the toughest SOBs on earth.
It’s designed that way. You can take a recruit off the street and get them into Batt in 8-9 months. There are only a few battalions because it’s designed to be a rapidly deployable strike force, so the door must always revolve. The army also wants rangers and ranger qualified soldiers to circulate among the regular army units. This is why regular army loves battalion and why they have a better relationship than with any other army SOF unit.
@@bluestfalcon419 that’s true. Big army did along with us better. No hate but some units act like they are to good to help the regular guys. We was never like that b
I came to US in 1996 as refugee from Bosnia after civil war age 18. Joined US Army as 11B and did my time at FT Benning and went back to my state as National Guard. One of few units that has a tab as part of their unit patch. Specialized in Mountain warfare and I 'll leave it that. Full time for 9 years and they called us "nasty girls"))) in boot camp(yeah about that). Well during deployment we were land owners small COP with certain Airborne unit and more specialized, under it kind off. Active Army colonel cried when he awarded some of our soldiers as we have absolutely decimated enemy in our AO and stirred the Hornets nest, also lost few guys. 9000ft of elevation was its own challenge. My unit did better than all active Army units previously and that's why we were awarded Unit Silver Start amongst others. Since I joined when I was 28 I always felt I needed something more and after medically getting out due to injuries and listening to Tier 1 guys and their mindset i knew I should have been 18X vs 11B. Anyway always above others with courage skills maturity and would have fit in great. Regret it still but it is what it is. As a foot soldiers and 11B what I did and s**** I went through would not change it. Loved it and also got trained to DM and 11C, rolles I won medals for. Scored best on DM test etc... Very seldom does anyone talk about infantry and always forget we are the main force that clears bad guys daily vs certain operation at certain times while in between ops they Sun bathe, shower with Oekleys on and drink "green beans" coffees. Even as 11B we have done operations at night out of shinooks etc. Saved some Dust 1 Navy guys...)
Infantry is where the rubber meets the road during combat. Infantrymen are spending months out behind enemy lines, often getting no resupplies, measuring combat time in years and not in missions. Special Forces and Special Operations guys get to return to the rear after their mission to shower, play video games, grab hot chow, hit the weights, rest up before next mission. Infantrymen aren't going back to the rear echelon to rest, get hot chow and shower. Everyone sleeps on the Infantry but more medals of honor and more decorations for combat come out of infantry units. Infantrymen are truly Embracing the suck down range. And right now, Russia & her allies declared WWIII. Trench warfare will be the face of WWIII and it'll be more Infantrymen going into that meat grinder than any special operations or S.F. group brothers.
Just had a short doc come across my feed by Black Rifle Coffee Co. (Great coffee) entitled "History of the Green Berets'. Don't know if you've seen this Nate but, it's excellent and it really gives us civilians a concise overview of SFs. Highly recommend. Excellent breakdown of the SF pipeline, thank you for the vid!
I don’t know if you’ve mentioned them before but, Navy SOIDCs go through the 18D short and long medic course and also go through dive school, sere, jump, basic reconnaissance course, field med course and what not in their initial pipeline. Curious on how you would rank them!
I had a a highschool teacher that was a USAF PJ from 1989-1996 he was a bad ass dude . Great video tho . He was my highschool teacher in 2006 by the way .
Likely Delta Force is psychologically the most difficult.They take applicants from EVERY branch of the US military. The Army Rangers, Marine Raiders are similar in difficulty and duration. Marine RECON is a bit more difficult with more water borne components. Army Special Forces often takes applicants from Ranger applicants. NAVY SEAL training is tough but SEAL Team 6 is even more difficult, taking only from SEAL teams those members who've been proven in combat AND chosen by DEVGRU itself. My neighbor was an Air Force Tactical Air Control operator in Afghanistan. He saw action with British SAS, US SF and Navy SEALs.
SWCC pipeline is somewhat similar to BUD/s go through BUD/s Prep together, split off SEALs will go to BUD/s, SWCC goes through BCS both first phases are very similar smoke sessions weed out the weak especially after "Hell Week or the Crucible for (SWCC)". However, around the second phase, SEALs will go through the Dive portion while SWCC will go through a phase that has some water survival elements but no diving & focuses more on the boats. But again, SWCC is focusing on boats in final testing evolutions while SEALs focus on diving. Once both finish respective pipelines, BUD/s or BCS both go off to respective training to learning to being more of an "operator" SQT (SEAL Qualification) and CQT (Crewman Qualification).
@@1anre he was inter-service TDY. So still in the Marine Corp but attending the course and then had the choice to switch over the the Army if selected. I think he wanted to drop his commission, but got talked out of it and switched over as an O.
If I was going to add SQT then I’d have to have done it to all the secondary schools for the all the other SOF units and it would have just made the video too convoluted.
@@ValhallaVFT Hey great video, question though. Isn’t the equivalent comparison SFAS as a selection course and SFQC as a qualification course where you receive your green berets upon graduation? Isn’t Bud/s equivalent being that Bud/s is a selection course and SQT is a qualification course where you receive your trident upon graduation? My point is that SQT isn’t a secondary school if it’s required for the SO MOS designation
@@adminbusinessdevelopment6220 if you want to pretend BUDs is a 6 month selection class and not their qualification course then feel free. Hell week in buds is the typical comparison to SFAS. All these units have courses set up differently.
@@ValhallaVFT agreed buds is the selection course and you still have to pass sqt to earn your trident. I’ll be honest I got an ARI when I was in the navy and they voluntold me to attend Ranger School. I thought that was most miserable course in my entire military career.
Speaking for Navy only. Buds just gets you through the door. Corpman still have to go through Corpman School, Snipers still have to go through Sniper School, and so on, then there is SQT where you actually go learn to be a seal.
You're correct that BUDs is the initial access school (selection and basic skills), but unless it's changed since the early 2000s, "A schools" like Corpsman happen before you go to BUDs. I know that they created a rate (MOS) for SEALs, so it probably changed a lot of this (all BUDs candidates used to have to pick a rate and go to A School before BUDs). Also, your A school is different than advanced/secondary training, so sniper school isn't comparable to corpsman school. Not sure how often it happens, but it's possible in theory for a SEAL corpsman to get sent to sniper school.
@@1anrenot true. I know first hand for SWCC you don't earn pin until after qualification training. I knew guys that passed BCS but got dropped from CQT; some couldn't get down the boat & weapon engineering test or just didn't have the ability to process, apply things in certain evolutions. Every evolution is being evaluated on whether you're cut out to being an operator. Almost certain it's the same for SEAL candidates that some guys might not pass SQT either. The pin is earned after Qualification. I know this cause I've attended SEAL graduations and they get pinned when graduating SQT. From my understanding, SEALs have their trident pin on the wall with their name next to it in SQT for motivation.
I was enlisted 82nd and later joined the a Navy and became a SEAL. A SEAL buddy of mine got out, got his degree and joined the Army as an Officer. He was in the 3rd ID, then 75th Ranger Regimental Reconnaissance and then 10th SFG , he retired as a Major. I asked him the same question from his experience he ranked the pipelines like this. 1. SEAL 2. SF 3. Ranger Regiment ( RASP & Ranger school) That’s from a guy that went through all three of them keep in mind he went through the SEAL pipeline as enlisted and the other two as an officer.
@@ValhallaVFT My guess was the guy was probably a SWCC or a support guy in a SEAL Team, not an actual SEAL. Can’t see anyone going from the SEAL Teams to SF unless it was something like Steve Mueller who got commissioned in the Army and then went that route. Let me know what his name was and I’ll check the data base if that washout was an actual SEAL.
@@ValhallaVFT I’ve been impressed with all the SOF units for different reasons. It seems like the difficulty of training or lifestyle balances out. I’ll say this you guys ware off on people in a good way. I got to work for a Vietnam era marine and later I learned my other boss was in SF. It made sense now looking back because everything we did was timed. If we weren’t told outright we knew it was implied. I was very proud of being able to keep up with guy. He was in his 50s and it seemed like his whole being moved a hundred miles an hour. My dad was a sergeant detective and I’ve known how to get along with service people usually when you’re kinda the black sheep you just keep your mouth shut and keep up. Those guys were my all time favorite people to work for. They were tough but fair. We went through probably 100 people in just over a year. I told a coworker once we don’t have a turnover rate we have an attrition rate. When you give people even just a little bit of mental discomfort they brake keep in mind we were civilians we weren’t pushing logs up hills but we were expected to work as a team. It got to a point that he didn’t have to tell us anything if we got a guy that wasn’t pulling his weight we broke him in our own way. This was only when he deserved it we didn’t bully people for no reason. I’ve been biased toward green berets since looking into sf after working with those guys. I’m pretty sure Robin Sage is the most genius training program ever designed.
@@ValhallaVFTyou said it yourself, water is a great equalizer. The Airforce ironically is basically water based, just not sand based like the SEALs/SWCCs. But very similar otherwise. I did watch an interview not too long ago with a PJ that hated land based stuff, loved the water. Said he got sick on the runs. Could do the pool/water con all day. I guess occasionally you get a guy like that who is meant for it.
Do you think that when Army SOF didn't have the 18X contract the quality of SOF soldier was better or the pipeline itself sorts it out? I ask because having a soldier who has time in and must make the rank of sergeant before applying for SOF would seem to me to add a level of maturity that SEALs don't have.
for 6 years. SF for 8 years. Did Combat Diver and the Long Walk (Finished but Non-Select). I agree that anything dealing with water will get rid of 90% of candidates off the top. Anyone can walk all day and suck up months of pipeline training. Take away a persons ability to “breath”… Good bye comes real fast.
I think it used to be you could stay in underwater demolition or join a seal team. The UDTs were actually a job along with the seals they eventually just disbanded but the UDTs were a thing even after Vietnam I think. I don’t know how much there was to demolish. I suppose they did surveys of the coastline and special recon.
There's a whole history behind UDTs. You learn it in BUD/s prep. Basically, it goes UDT's are the precursors to SEALs and SWCC going back to WW2. SEALs were formed in Vietnam to be inserted deep into the Jungles, whereas the time UDTs mostly stayed manning the boats, diving, or shoreline demolitions. After Vietnam UDT teams were disbanded, some stayed with boat units to establish the precursors to modern Special Boat Teams, but majority UDTs transitioned to the SEAL teams due to the dive emphasis. There are some rare Vietnam era frogmen we call them "Bullfrogs" who have been UDTs, Boat teams or modern SWCC, & SEALs they have the right to have those warfare pins. A legendary Bullfrog is Captain Peter Wikul, (SEAL/UDT/SWCC) he was part of UDTs in Vietnam era, Boat Teams, SEAL Teams and later helped establish command Special Boat Units 12 & 20.
@@michaeldbhawker3556 The SOF medics are some of the best around. Still, with the PJ'S getting their NREMT-PARAMEDIC license afterwards makes them the best and true paramedic for the DOD. Paramedic school is a two or four year degree and you need to keep above 80% on all tests or you get kicked out. My paramedic class started with 23 students and 18 months later 11 graduated. I worked at the FD with a SF medic from the 5th group, he said that paramedic school was tougher, however, he learned about dentistry, veterinary care and basic surgery as an SF medic. I would agree that the SF medics are better than a SEAL medic or corpsman. Being a NREMT-PARAMEDIC gives you a bigger scope of practice and more medication that you can give.
The best intro to the PJs is watching The Fat Electrician's video on then... I'm former USAF. If I see PJs in a restaurant & have the money in my wallet, I will pull the wait staff aside and pay for their meals. No question. No need for interaction. These were the people who would die to ensure I got to come back to my family when I flew a mission. With a motto like "That Others May Live" you know they are built different...
Great video! I'm curious about your experience: how do 18 Deltas compare to Air Force PJs in terms of medical training and knowledge? And do Air Force PJs receive comparable tactical training?
18D are trained in a wider variety of medicine, not just combat trauma. 18Ds learn all of that, plus general med like pediatric, veterinarian, can even do things like deliver babies. So 18D are realistically more trained in that regard due to the job requirements.
@@ValhallaVFT PJ's are nationally registered paramedics so they get a lot of regular med as well (cardiac, peds, etc). 18Ds are closer to the Physician assistant (PA) level and could run a clinic in the jungle. PJ's are mostly trained to stabilize for until higher care.
Any interest in bringing your father on for an interview ? I would love to learn where the mcguyver style level of resourcefulness and problem solving came from and how it was adopted ( I dont know of any other selection where you need to make something to pass)
Just asking. I know they aren’t shooters. But, what about Coast Guard Rescue swimmers? They jump into stuff nobody else would. Any reason for not including them?
Sure, but if I include every offshoot SOF unit there would be like 25 and the video would be obnoxiously long. These are just for fun, not meant to be deep dives.
Is there a lot of guys in the sf world that are hard to be around? I’m in the military I’m an 88N and I want to go to special forces, and I always hear from the sf recruiters that most sf guys are “relaxed and chill”. Is this true?
Out of these I went to Airborne school. Then off to the 82nd. We had a SEAL in my class. So of course I had a ton of BUD'S questions. He already had his Trident. He said he had been to jump school 6 months earlier, but he was really cocky and he got into it with a Black Hat, So he got kicked out. He finished up his SEAL Training then came back.
As a soldier, are you interested in military history? What do you think was the toughest operation of all time? The St. Nazaire Raid? Stalingrad? Napolean's invasion of Russia? Bataan? Verdun?
i’m trying to go to rasp. i’m currently in the conventional army. do you think a 35 min 5 mile and <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="145">2:25</a> 12 mile ruck is good enough?. currently at 70 pushups and 75 sit ups and 20 pull ups
That will get you in the door and past day 1... however, that's literally day 1 besides the 12 mile. Make sure you know how to swim. You would be surprised. There is a very mild pool comp, but if you can't swim, you will be dropped. The hardest part of RIP / now RASP is literally all the other days, specifically Cole Range. Every day is a smoke session with training and classes incorporated. You got it, bud. Don't think about getting to a particular physical standard, and think you're good. Just try to get better and improve every day. You'll do great!
Weirdest part is they keep calling them rangers and say they're in the 75th, but when it shows them in dress blues, they're wearing SF patches with Ranger TABS. Just like the rest of the flick, it doesn't make sense. Love that movie tho
The Assistant Secretary of Defense Office for Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict (SOLIC) publishes a 5 year roll up of training statistics. The difference in eventual graduation rates between all of the training pipelines (SEAL, AFSOC, SF, MARSOC) are within a couple of percentage points when you include the entry assessment.
I think people put too much stock into which one is “harder” They should look into which organization is smallest. They are all arguably very “hard” but which one is the most competitive to actually make it in? That is the question they should be asking in my opinion . Great video!
As Ranger I agree with you. RASP is tough but it’s only 8 weeks. It’s assessing new entry soldiers to be entry level SOF. BUD/s, SFAS, and others are more difficult simply because they are assessing people for more than just dudes who won’t quit.
I’ve been super impressed by force recon marines. Two of my teammates were former recon marines before they switch to army and went SF and they both were some of the best soldiers I’ve ever seen.
No disrespect to any of these units here but this is my opinion and for me doing research on each unit for me is 1. PJs/CCT 2. MARSOC 3. Navy SEALS/SWCC 4.Green berets 5. 75th Ranger What many special operations units have said about Qcourse and stuff is the difficulty of it. Is it hard fuck yeah it is but is it as hard as people think it is no, if you train before hand and come prepare before the start you should be in good hands, have good morales, know yourself and how to control yoyr wgo and not have a chip on your shoulder, you are in good hands. Whats really hard or the toughest part about special operations units is that you live by it as fucked up as it sounds but if you want to be a good operator your brothers and the mission is your main priority if you think about home and family you're going to die and cost the life of your brothers behind it. The special operations community has this there motto said by Jesus Christ himself "those who live by the sword die by the sword" thats the motto they live by, these guys are the ones who don't fear the reaper at all
Marsoc pipeline is about 11 months to complete. There is a good kick in the nuts like what hell week is, you see a huge wash out during the period. The pool and open water slays folks too.
@@nathanammon4021 it’s not a “hell week” but it’s an event that happens during the pipeline that washes a good portion of the class out. It last two weeks. Also the program is very heavy in the water.
@@arnesmith3122 I’ve read some stuff on different military units it’s seems most have some kind of week with the purpose of getting people to quit. I think there are some police units or units outside of DOD that do that kind of thing to. The only thing I can find on Recon is they do something at the end of each month where they run them non stop. If one training regiment is better or harder I don’t see why they don’t just copy that.
That's correct. It's called 'Raider Spirit' and it takes place at the end of the 'Small Unit Tactics' phase. It generally goes 9-11 days, ~ 200 miles of foot movement, with something like < 10 hours of total sleep. Unlike BUD/S which is a true selection program at that stage of training with its infamously gruelling 'Hell Week' being a PT hazefest, 'Raider Spirit' is more "tactically / operationally" -based. The candidates are many times traversing difficult terrain for 12 or more miles carrying full gear, ~ 120 lb. rucks, and frequently carrying eachother and/or being tasked to carry extreme weights (e.g., 300 or more lbs.) --in whatever form that takes--as a team. Based on everything I've read/heard, it's apparently a blend of the SEALs' 'Hell Week' and a particular phase of the Army SF Q-Course (the latter of which I'm not as familiar with). Re: Raider training, check out the 'Urban Valor' podcast w/ Don Tran. Great interview, and he discusses much of what I mentioned above. There was also another video w/ 2 former SEALs (one is Stew Smith) who corroborate the details mentioned above---including Selection (A&S Phase 2) having elements of 'Delta' in it (note: the Marine candidates have to sign an NDA as it is classified).
@@JGould-uu4kbthat’s very interesting I wonder how they’ve come about deciding what goes into these events. I know it’s not a complete art and science. Do the branches get together and take from each others training Regiment. Do you think it will end up being just one big commando force.
How about tacp's? I know their pipeline is a lot shorter but from my understanding tacp's still integrate with sof some of the time. Is it because they integrate with conventional army as well?
They so get placed with army infantry and marine infantry alot. Tacps do have a easier pipeline but still not easy. They still gotta do airborne and sere.
@@ValhallaVFTGreen Platoon is also challenging as they're the best combat helicopter pilots in the world. Search for Alan Mack. One of the baddest 160th SOAR boys
Anyone with high aspirations and 18 I always suggest going option 40 and going to ranger battalion for a few years to develop yourself before going to SFAS.
@@ValhallaVFTheard Ranger batt hate it when they find our you only wanted to use their Regiment as a pathway to SF. Better he doesn't mention his real plans ro the recruiter or whatever
The thing with MARSOC is that you HAVE TO BE in normally a minimum of 4 years So with MARSOC you normally get more mature more grizzled vets SEALS you can go from the block straight to SEAL training IMO the 2 best SOCUM UNITS out there are GBs and MARSOC we all know TF141 DELTA and DEVGRU are the top 3 Then i would say Green Berets and MARSOC
Absolutely clear my bias toward airforce, i thought they all chair based lol. You might want to do oversea special force, I think its gonna be really interesting contents.
@@ValhallaVFT I don't remember any chairs on the flightline as an F-16 crew chief except for the cockpit of course. I can't speak for the other side of the fence tho..😅
@@ValhallaVFT Judge a Force on their lethality not on what furniture they use. A single Air Force Wing has more lethality than the entire Marine Corp. No modern war will be won by small arms fire. Land mobility and sea mobility require Air Superiority. Denigrating your fellow military services doesn't make you macho or elevate you above the rest.
Jason Sweet from @SocomAthlete would be happy to see where your list ended up. You need to go on his podcast and talk about how you prepared and excelled as an 18X and what SF life was like for you
@@ValhallaVFTOh you should absolutely get in contact with Mr. Sweet because he is running a special forces prep program (SOCOMAthlete)which is absolutely crucial for seeing one’s potential going into SF
The problem with RASP is people don’t include 11 B/C OSUT and jump school. OSUT is it’s own ball buster. And in reality, at the 75th, until you go to and complete Ranger School, your constantly getting smoked and F-d with. I agree with PJ being the overall hardest. It’s not easy becoming a FAA licensed aircraft controller (CCT) either!
I may be wrong but ive heard before that MARSOC sends people to BRC before Trying out for MARSOC. Which BRC isnt on par with but probably the closest thing to BUDS outside the Navy
@@marksmusicplace3627Yep. Officers go through a different selection process than enlisted. From what I was told by an officer who was in support, the support officer selection isn’t too physically demanding and instead is much more mentally demanding since there’s lots of questioning and psychological evaluations.
I agree with the Rankings. It was a great video! Also just a question does a sf who wants to attend SFARTAETC have to be Sf JTAC qualifed be4 attending the course? Also Can Army National Guard SF dudes attend that course? Or it more for Active Duty SF????
Nope anyone can attend SFARTAETC. At least in 1st group that’s how it worked. The only caveat was if you passed you typically have to go to 1-1 C co since they’re the CTAC company. It’s easiest to go if you’re stationed out in Okinawa, for 1st group at least.
Hey it's kinda of a weird question to ask but are\Do? Rangers attend the SFARTAETC??? Is it a often they attend the course or are they not eligible to attend?@@ValhallaVFT
These boys are all tougher and far better trained than I ever will be. I will say that in terms of casual and consistent bravery, Vietnam era dust off pilots were straight BA. I knew a guy and got to talk to several others.
Served 9 years in CA...a lot of my teammates and Seniors were prior SF/Rangers...even a few CAG guys...learned so much that took me far after getting out and I've met some of the most hard (No Diddy), competent warriors from my time in CA...#Biased 😂 🤷🏿♂️ #ItsCoolToLikeYourJob
I get asked that a lot. I can do a video on that, I worked with SOT-As throughout my entire career. I’ll see if I can get one of my buddies who’s a SOT-A to give me a deep dive so I can do it justice.
Not going to say CA is same level of difficultly but the pipeline is 24 weeks plus language and SOCM if you're a 38W. So certainty not short by any means.
@@SneakyWaikiki Recon has a very demanding pipeline and mission sets but, technically, they don't get an official designation as a special operations unit because they don't fall under JSOC or SOCOM.
You forgot to mention you cannot walk off the street straight into MARSOC unlike all the other organizations you mentioned. I believe you have to be in the Corps for two years before you can go to selection. There’s also a rank requirement, which could be waived 12 years ago for LCPLs in the infantry.
I know this isn’t the post for this because you didn’t want to include the top tiers. I know military guys like to argue who’s has the toughest training or deployments or whatever. It all seems to balance out and they all have very similar attrition rates. Egos aside I was think the most important job right now is what DEVGRU used to do which was test our military installations. I think they might have stopped or passed on the responsibility. Washington has its head so far up its ass like trying to find flight suits for pregnant pilots it makes me worry about how serious the Generals and Admirals are allowed to be. Our power grids really come to mind which involves cyber and some personnel maybe. I don’t know maybe red cell stuff is more suited for SF specifically. You guys know how to think two and three steps ahead.
Environment makes a huge difference. San Diego isn't bad at all in comparison to Bragg, or New Mexico. I'd be a sugar cookie all day and 7x a week staring at bombshells afterwards, than be back at Mackall or go to Husk and Bubbas. I also love the water, so there's that.
