UPDATE! A Note from Cannondale - The team bikes reportedly have an average weight of 7.4kg (some are lighter/some are a little heavier). 7.78kg mentioned on screen is for a systemsix, but some imagary depicts an EVO which is actually lighter.
16kg with the bike lock, old mtb bike XL size, needed for crappy roads where I'm from. I would absolute love to try a 7kg extremely responsive bike, just the energy difference needed to put my elephant of a bike into motion at a crossing compared to a pro bike would be insane.
Just like when I went from my lug frame Dawes to a Cervelo R2. Still got the Dawes!!!! Piss ant roads around here Reynolds 531 drives it like a champ. Weight Weenees at the Fondo may turn the nose up at my R2 but then they see the Dawes at the after ride beer garden I get approval and/or a pass!!! Woman wants a eTap Cube to match her Nissan Cube............hates the long throw to shift gears..............maybe for 50th bday??????
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26 seconds is a MASSIVE amount of time over AdH! Even half of that is quite significant. If you're performing at the top level, 4 watts is quite a big deal to add on to your threshold.
Exactly. Weird of them do downplay that difference. The Giro was decided by 14 seconds over 3 weeks. The 2024 TDF is going to have more than 50,000 meters of climbing this year. There has to be a balance between weight and aerodynamics.
…. Yeah but EF would not race up any mountain stage on a System Six. This whole video is pointless. Teams use different wheel sets for climbing stages….
@@dominicbritt Indeed, they do change up their equipment obviously, am not sure if the current supersix is currently 6.8kg. Just addressing the point made that weight doesn't make a difference. It certainly does! 4 watts is a solid few weeks of gains when your threshold is over 400 watts.
Aero times are a lot better going downhill, so its not all a loss and aero advantages will also take away some of the the 26 sec going uphill, just as the deeper rims with larger tires may reduce the rolling resistance. You cannot isolate one factor from all others if you want a fair comparison. I don't do the "superman", but I still "outrace" everyone on the steeper descents (>6%) without touching my pedals just by taking an somewhat radical body aero position, with my deep wheels and narrow aero bars (and I'm just a go lucky amateur).
@@meibing4912 Not a WT pro and would typically not rush the descents and prefer not risking my life, just aiming for climbing KOMs for fun! Be careful out there. Those sound like modifications more than capable to be made on a bike that was manufactured five years ago, while still able to keep the bike at or even below 6.8 kg.
Colnago v3rs rim brake, tadeg pogacar all time FAVOURITE bike, he won 2 TDF. V4rs too heavy. My colnago V3rs rim brake weighs 6.82kgs with ultegra di2 12speed with 2x bottle cages and garmin mount, super responsive and agile.
@GCN Surely you’re missing something when they were using the “ Aero trumps weight over a TDF stage” counter argument. If they were riding solo or in a small group i tend to agree, but the majority of GC contenders will be in the peloton getting the big draft and even when slightly more exposed when they string it out, they will be nicely tucked middle or back of the of the teammates wheels. Surely the lightest bike with the most aero features they can get away with will seem them unleash the watts saved in the pack when finally exposed on a climbs where aero doesn’t have as much effect.
#askgcntech Alex suggested in that video to switch from a 28mm tire to a 23mm in order to save weight. But what about the rolling resistance? If I remember correctly Josh from Silca said in one of his videos that a Continental GP5000 compared to GP4000 saves you the same amount of energy on a 10% climb like losing 0,5kg. So weight weenies should also be rolling resistance weenies. Would be interesting to know wich tirewith actually is the fastest uphill.
12kg alloy bike with alloy wheels and Microshift group set. Only decent part is my specialized power saddle and gp 5000s. Cost me $700 usd new. Does the job but boy do I hate it haha
Hahaha you don't want to hate your bike, a bike that you love will make you want to ride more - it doesn't need to be super high end just as long as you want to get riding 🙌
Excellent episode, makes me feel better about my 2020 Supersix Evo being just under 8Kg 😊 although my specialised crux gravel bike is almost the same weight as some of these bikes 😮😮😮 is all the modern tech worth it past tubeless rims and decent 11 speed gears 😊
7.5kg XL Canyon Endurace rim brake with Ultegra 6800 and alloy hoops. Cost me £1700 8 years ago. Would have to spend at least £8k to get a new bike at that weight these days.
I have a dogma f10 rim brake. Aero bike. deep aero wheels, 38cm aero handlebars, wide tyres, and I am still under the 6.8kg limit. So that’s aero and light weight, this is the fasted setup period.
@@gcntech in every setting. At 6.7 kg and full aero setup l believe it’s faster then the new dogma f, this is why I haven’t upgraded, and upgrade in my mind, should be faster then before, so what’s the point in spending £14000
This makes me feel so good .... just bought a new bike and decided to furnish it with the "lesser/heavier" groupset which only added 312g but saved me €1800 .... I'm OK with that
This is actually quite easy. Bike design optimizes efficient energy transfer. As you go faster, you prioritize aerodynamic loss. First order is rider position and power output (comfort). Riders have become much more athletic from training, fueling etc.. so w/kg has gone up in recent decades and hence the ability to go faster… so bike design prioritizes aero. Climbers are shielded and they are free to ride lite bikes on their team.. the others ride fast.
Around 13:50 Ollie suggests Speedplay Nano pedals over Shimano Dura-Ace pedals for weight savings. However, it is the pedal *system* (pedals + cleats) weight that matters. I doubt that with a full accounting that Speedplay represent much, if any, weight savings advantage.
I have a 2021 Tarmac SL6 Pro that I bought 2ndhand for $3,000 and weighs 8kg. It doesn't have any special light parts per se just Ultegra componentry and DT Swiss carbon wheels. This is heavier than my old rim brake SL4 which I think was around 7kg. That did have an FSA SL-K carbon crankset which was very light.
Please don't be returning to the weight loss at any cost. Back in the late 1980s, I remember when some people were obsessed with reducing the overall weight of the bike. To the point where brake levers were drilled out to such an extent that structural integrity was at a bare minimum. Cranks were thinned and drilled. Frames were denuded of paint and highly polished. Stems (quill stems back then) were drilled out. Seatposts were (judiciously) drilled out. In fact, anything that wasn't important in making the bike go, was drilled out to reduce weight.
I bought a topstone 4 alloy (10,6kg) and converted it to GRX 600 with Elite Wheels G45 CS and I am quite happy with the 8.8kg, excluding the pedals and the lights.
Mine and my son's bikes ARC8 Escapee Disc, Ultegra Di2, Mavic 45 mm tubeless wheelset, 8.0 kg Specialized Tarmac SL6 Pro rim brake, Ultegra Di2. In the lightest veriosn with 990 grams Chinese tubular wheelset 6.9 kg including pedals, water bottle cages, Garmin sensors, computer mount and powermeter Flat racing version on Roval CLX 50 mm tubular wheelset, around 7.2 kg My old 2013 Specialized Roubaix SL3 with my alloy Campaq Neutron Ultra wheelset, mix of Campaq parts and triple cransket 7.5 kg without pedals Our old Tarmac SL4 Expert on Campaq Chorus mechanical and Zonda wheelset was under 7 kg. What we really should have is weights of bike without wheelsets. That would be best starting point for comparisons.
3:57 Winning it's second mountain top finish so far this season and one from a break-away beating a Cervelo is proving that the Van Rysel is a value all-rounder.
My 56cm bike is 7.6kgs with pedals. Is rim brake mechanical, and cost NZ$2500(40% off on special) but then bought lighter 50mm wheels for ~$1000, new seat, seatpost, new longer stem for around $600. So around NZ$4100 all up => US$2500 give or take.
Zero interest in a 8kg £12000 that costs me more time and/or money to maintain! So that’s almost 2.5kg, and yes: 12.5 watts extra up Alpe D’Huez is a lot of extra work that I don’t feel like paying £12k for the privilege of having to gain those extra watts 😂😂😂
Specialized Tarmac Comp disk = 19.1 lbs/$2,200....Tommasini Super Prestige = 20.2lbs/ $1,500 .... Specialized Tri cross =30lbs/$1,600 ....Specialized M4 Mountain = 25lbs/$900.......I wonder what the average and mean will be to all the responses you get ???? Let us know
Interesting to compare the watts saved for weight to the Tour Magazine aero data. The S5 and Aeroad are at around 203 watts while bikes like the Tarmac are at about 208 or higher. So the all around bikes never manage to close the aero penalty. Other thoughts, this makes the Foil even more impressive. Too bad the new Factor didn’t get weighed.
One caveat: using the same Park Tool scale, I've found that bikes can vary by up to 0.5 kg on successive weighings, due to amount of arm shake, location of the placement of hooks (ideally weight should be evenly distributed on the two arms), wind, and other factors. Spoke with Calvin at Park Tool about this 3 years ago, and he said the best way is to weigh the bike with the scale in a clamp, or if handheld, take averages. He also said that bike weight doesn't really matter that much (unless there's a big difference).
You just gotta hang it with its strap from a very sturdy (i.e. not flexing) place. It's very consistent that way. Even clamping to workstand doesn't work cause with the weight of the bike whole thing flexes.
I own a Winspace SLC 2.0, disc brakes, Dura Ace Di2 12 speed, 40mm deep wheels, with bottle cages and pedals (Assioma), I am at 6.6kg...you just need to do the "leap of faith" and directly purchase from Chinese brands
I find it a bt shocking that pro bikes weigh so much. I managed to build up a BMC SLR (second tier frame) down to 7.5kg (pedals and power meter included) for 4k€. Found a used ultegra groupset and a pair of Speedsix 45 wheels after looking for a few months and managed to surprise my mechanic with how loight the build was. It feels like a lot of teams are not riding the best equipment but really only putting together whatever they can find
time for a GCN challenge then, put a model of the same bike from 2014 up against 2024 version, ride at 250 watts on a long enough uphill and see which is quicker
Is no one gonna talk about the fact that the Supersix Evo (15k+ bike) weighs in at almost 8kg. that‘s insane to me. whats the weight of their heavier bike then?
SystemSix 56 cm with Ultegra Di2 12sp, Power2Max PM, aero chainring, 60mm Hollowgram wheels, GP 5000s, SpeedPlay pedals, 140mm ENVE stem. 8.35kg. Not bad considering that I put zero effort into making it light.
These days there is a push for wider tires. The claim is that you will be faster and more comfortable. However this is all based on pseudo-science because the surface type and rider weight dictates the tire width and pressure. It's simply a way to kill off rim bikes without mentioning the word 'brake'. I have a ten year old alloy bike with light-ish alloy wheels that weighs about the same as a $10,000 pro level aero bike. Yes, I prefer disk brakes but not the weight, so for me I'd rather just have slightly worse brakes and narrower tires on my summer bike spend a lot less, $3000 gets me a mechanical rim brake bike that's as light as a $10,000 disk brake bike. I'd rather have that other $7000.
My bike weights 6.5kg but only cost 5k these bikes cost 18k but cant even get under 7kg 😂 my bike is a de rosa sk pininfarina from 2016 honestly its still a pretty areo bike even in 2024
Cube Nuroad Race, 11 kg with a 2x11 GRX setup. Got it for $1900. Not much lighter than my surly cross check for the same price but is significantly faster.
7.09 kg with 105 pedals, chainring, crank, shifters, no name stack, no name aluminum handlebars, used emonda frame from 2015, total $1600. Weight isn’t too hard to get down but all that Aero stuff the pros have are $$$.
The two SL8 between #1 and #3 position basically comes down a comparison between Sram vs Shimano with a difference of 190 grams.. if the rider has a bigger water bottle.. that's basically makes up the difference..
What they could do to cut their weight is pretty simple. 1. THM SE cranksets (w/ power) 2. CRW wheels 3. Overfast Thru-Axles But of course, this would upset sponsors 😂
When 17lbs is competitive for a world tour bike, aero obviously trumps weight. If the UCI relaxed its ridiculously conservative 6.8kg limit to 6kg or 5.5kg, would the teams take advantage of it? Or are the areo, gearing, and braking gains of modern tech enough to offset a 2lbs to 4lbs weight disadvantage?
Loved the closing statement ❤. Many of us have owned many different types of bikes in our lifetime (so far), but we will remember most fondly the bike/s that brought us the most joy.
2021 Orbea orca omr size 47 disc. changed most of the stock parts except frameset with aluminium steerer carbon fork weight 7.3kg with 2 bottle cages, computer mount and Speedplay pedal. Total cost 5k usd. Still can be lighter as less than 7kg if I would spend another 3-5k for top end frameset.
for reference - when you are kicking out 396W on Alpe d'Huez and someone comes up and says - right then excuse me good Sir - errrrr well its like this - you ummm - you have the heaviest bike here - so can you PLEASE just punch it up with another 4W - THATS a helluvalot to ask
Only amateurs obsess about bike weight. Pro’s just ride what they’re given and usually ride it well. Body weight is far more important. Perhaps there’s a hint for some of us.
But does aero actually matter this much for pros in a peloton? All aero claims are based on a single rider in the wind but when Roglic races the tour he will have at least one rider in front of him almost the entire race. Do you have any data on the effect of an aero bike vs. light weight when sat in draft?
Wiggle at minute have the vitus zenium carbon with micro shift 10speed £599 9.3kg I’ve put hunts all season wheel set on it £345 ,prime carbon seat post £114 ,tpu tubes £24 New tyres gp5000 £70 Total cost £1152 (bike original price £1200) Now comes in @8.4kg Going to ride it like that this year then change groupset in the winter and carbon bars so should get it light
Our TDU isn't exactly climbing intensive (that said, Checker's is still an absolute bastard of a pinch), so aero will be king/queen overall in it. Willunga Hill isn't a "challenge" per se, but at race pace it's got enough bite to make the difference.
1% drop in weight (800g on 7.5kg bike + 70kg rider) = 26seconds or 4 watts on alp d,huez? Time to go ride up some hills and shift the remaining Christmas weight
You should make a video about bike/component brands that are not in the worldtour. That would be interesting. To compare the top brands that made the cut and the rest that are good but didn't quite get in.
The heaviest pro bike is still around two kilograms lighter than my bike. It’s a good thing I’m not riding professionally! I’m about 30 kilos heavier than an average pro rider, so it won’t be my bike holding me back. My aluminium Domane cost about $1600 US with sales tax.
My bike has inox steel bottom bracket to arrive at the limit of 6.8 kg i di d some imporvement and I am now at 6.2 kg...(wih 50 mm wheel) 5.9 is around the corner :)
Oh yeah! Could just be the lighting and shallow depth of field if using wide appeture because I can see Alex’s shadow on the wall. But it does look odd!
2021Tarmac SL6 52 with c38s rims, carbon bars, Pzeros w/ tpus tubes, cut fork and seat tubes to the minimum which is exactly my fit😅 aaaaand still with my original 105 11speed weights 7.9 for me who rides just on weekends I see it quite nice and enough😊. Also considering when having to change my drive train when worn out and my seat I could still lower it to 7.6 nearbys is more than enough for me
5.7 kg Canyon Ultimate CFR medium size is my lightest bike. Dura-Ace R9200, 2x12, disc brakes, 45mm aero wheels, tubeless 26mm tires and a bar tape. edit: I spent additional 7000 euro to get there. By selling some old components I would say that the price of the bike could be around 13500 euro.
Planet x Pro Carbon with Sram Hydraulic 7.2KG - Changed wheels to 50mm Carbon with GP5000tyres - Carbon Seat Post, Carbon Saddle, Carbon Bars, Carbon Pedals, Carbon Cages, Size is 50cm
Planet X rtd 90 with sram red 22 £3600, 6.7kg and yes I could go lighter, I'm looking at 6.4kg Trek Emonda ALR for £7k but as getting parts to support 110kg or more I recently swapped planet x to sram red etap and yet to find weight 100g is estimate for coin battery in bar ends instead
$2.8k USD for a road bike I'm glad to say my Pinarello Paris weighted 8.7kg after only upgrading cheap alternatives of 44 carbon Hunt wheels and a carbon sqlab saddle. While still having the basic stock aluminum bar and stem and an entry level shimano 105 mechanical groupset! Which will be my next upgrades hoping to shave down to 8kg or below. So far $4k well spent I must say!
Colnago V3Rs rim brake Bora One 50 Campy Record Power2Max Power Meter 7.1 kg Total cost, £3780 Frame reduced to rim brakes Wheels reduced for same reason Group bought in parts but also reduced due to rim brakes
It seems like the comparison is always a small segment. ADH or a 40km TT. How about you take a modern bike and a bike from 6-8 years ago and do a full day? Do it on subsequent days, average the same power (or make calculations on the slight difference in average watts), and see how it plays out. A day with flats, lots of corners, and significant climbs. Then maybe we can put this whole argument (old vs new bikes) to bed. Thoughts?
My 2015 S-Works Tarmac SL5 with Dura Ace 9000 (inc C24 wheels) comes in at 6.6kg. Was £7.5k, but not anymore! A fair bit lighter than my Tarmac SL7 Expert that’s for sure! If a pro bike was full aero AND 6.8kg, surely that would be faster?
👹👹My favorite bike is the Pantani Anniversary Bianchi, Cannondale Cadd13, Supersix, all models without discs, this is pure marketing now with the discs that weigh down the bikes nowadays, the UCI minino should be 5kg.☠️☠️
Lazzaretti 1990's Steel, Campagnalo super record, 2x8, Old Brooks leather saddle : 11,0 kg. Love to go to work with it. Lights, bottle cages and powermeter pedals on. Ah yes, front wheel is now a lightweight Easton from the 2010's.
My commuter bike is a brute. No sense talking about weight on a belt drive, internal geared alu framed utility vehicle that gets air in the tires once a month and not much more. My fun bike is a 10 year old 7.5 Kg Specialized Roubaix with Ultegra mechanical and rim brakes on DT Swiss alu wheels that are fantastic. I’m ready for a new bike, but mostly from being older. What I want now is softer ride, so wider tires, better braking, so , disks, and a position I can hold for a few hours. Weight is way down there in looking for a new bike.
2018 SW Tarmac SL6, mechanical dura ace, EE brakes, aero handlebar, 50mm hunt wheels and including pedals and garmin mount 6.8kg (15lb). Built/updgraded over several years so not sure on exact total $.
8,2kgs! BMC Roadmachine SLR5 with 105DI2 and Alloy Wheels and tubeless setup. My first proper Road Bike, i love it and all around, it just cost about 3200€ last year
Nowadays I have my lighest setup ever, CAAD10 2014 with Ultegra fc6800 and r800, rim brakes and carbon everything, it weights 7,48. Cost me something around 3k dollars.
