Whiplash Script vs Screen 

kobebryanthashops lmaoooo

And that's a dedication to present the character the best he could, so if bulging veins will help that - he goes for it. Fascinating

METHOD ACTING. I love it

Source : trust me

kobebryanthashops I do that too before having sex

It's probably because once the actors get into character and when they really understand them, they stop thinking about what the script says and instead they start thinking like the character

@@tommyshommy yeah, but tis still interesting to note how much creative licence the actors are given.. Makes you wonder if thats the norm in hollywood (?)

How is that interesting? That happens with nearly every movie, actors improvise to make it sound more realistic..

@@nat-moody It is. I read a book about screenwriting and the author said that dialogue is very often changed on the spot. It's the most easily changeable aspect of a script, and is considered disposable.

That seems to happen quite often

You're right

@@ItsRY4N Course I'm right, can't be wrong about what my favorite scene is

a masterpiece of a movie

@@SchaffrillasProductions you’re wrong. It’s not.

You should make a video on it. I would love to see your thoughts on it.

that's exactly what you're not supposed to do. the script should just be what is said by the characters and their exact actions. let the actions and dialogue speak for themselves.

Jim Bob. But shouldn't it be a little descriptive so that the actors can get what they're acting if they're not sharp enough to deduce it?

Interpreting the script is literally the actor's job

Jim Bob I completely disagree. The screenplay needs to be used to convey not only what is happening in the film, but what emotion is in the film . It needs to perfectly portray the writers vision. Writing a screen play with only 'exact actions' and dialogue doesn't fully allow the writers vision to be seen at times. Notes like what Damien used here are used all across the greatest screenplays of all time.

it's not about showing the writer's vision, it's an instruction manual for what to film. if the writer's good, their "vision" will come across through what's being filmed and/or said.

Right? Even subtle changes like 'Any idiot' to 'Any fucking moron' just has that right Fletcher venom that we now take as natural to the character, something we do because of JK.

When the script says "I will never apologize for trying" it could be inferred that Fletcher regrets that he abused his students, but ultimately viewed it as a necessary evil in order to produce the next great jazz musician. He wants to pursue the glory that comes with that, so he selfishly puts the well-being of his students on the line to chase his fantasy. On the other hand, "I will never apologize for how I tried" makes it so that Fletcher clearly believes there was nothing immoral about his methods. It implies that he sees himself as an agent of some supernatural intervention. He isn't selfishly pursuing the glory that comes with producing a legendary musician. He is responsibly fulfilling what he views as some sort of divine obligation to find the next Charlie Parker no matter the means. It was 99% likely Simmons' idea to make Fletcher easier to sympathize with, but also somehow simultaneously more deranged than he already was. Like a Scientologist.

The script also goes through edits. This script is the original draft Damien wrote over a year before they even did the Short film.

@@spencerwattamaniuk950 How do you know the script in this video is the original draft?

@@romilrh Because it's available online and it matches.

But I think it wouldn't have been realistic... It sounds corny and cliche

But then that line would have been correlated with Teller's character, insinuating he was the worst from the start, instead of the underappreciated passionate talent he is in the movie's narrative.

Yes and I like it because it gives more detail to what he's saying. Actually the whole paragraph around that was taken out and should have been left in.

But the whole performance will change, you'll never get that back unless you edit it in but may be off

Nah, it’s too on the nose. It’s been implied in the movie that that’s how Fletcher works anyway.

It gives Fletcher more conviction. When the script says "I will never apologize for trying" it could be inferred that Fletcher regrets that he abused his students, but ultimately viewed it as a necessary evil in order to produce the next great jazz musician. He wants to pursue the glory that comes with that, so he selfishly puts the well-being of his students on the line to chase his fantasy. On the other hand, "how I tried" makes it so that Fletcher clearly believes there was nothing immoral about his methods. It implies that he sees himself as an agent of some supernatural intervention. He isn't selfishly pursuing the glory that comes with producing a legendary musician. He is responsibly fulfilling what he views as some sort of divine obligation to find the next Charlie Parker no matter the means. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Simmons' idea to make Fletcher easier to sympathize with, but also somehow simultaneously more deranged than he already was. Like a Scientologist.

I think the change implies blame on the students like their was fuck all Fletcher could do to help such worthless amateurs, it's more in character to sound so boldly domineering and to make the students feel as bad as possible as to keep control over them through manipulative means.

Nathan Williams yeah that's true

simmons is a incredible actor next to one whos just pretty good, obv he would

There's no real merit in saying Simmons did more improv, the way the scene plays it's much more likely there were rewrites before, or even during, filming. The writer or director would most likely have been the ones making these changes.

Not Applicable because his lines are longer, like way longer

Miles barely manages to work with the few lines he had. Most of the times he seems to skip all but the dialogues. Some action lines present emotion in his character, and he's there just being Miles Teller.

Yep, it would have been too cheesy. Total suspense killer.

Easily the best performance of 2014. You gotta talk about how it's one of the bests of the decade

He steals the show in every part he plays. Omniman in Invincible, JJJ in MCU, Whiplash. He's just an immense presence on the screen

thats messed up lmao

Fletcher’s the original Glenn Fricker apparently

Was Fudd a bassist?

its always the bassist lol

I don't think the writers would generally be anywhere in sight, unless it's a writer/director. But it is a good pass of natural editing (almost like an additional draft) and good for the actors to be in the zone to allow them to paraphrase.

@@studyinginthedesert7690in some cases, you’d be right but damien chazelle both wrote and directed whiplash in this case (1yr late reply lol)

This is old but you actually do kind of get what is what with him. His expressing during the final scene shows how he realized he’s just created his Charlie Parker. In his mind he did it. The drummer didn’t just give up when humiliated, he went back and proved how he was the best. It’s pretty on the nose with what they are talking about in this scene.

@@Thebees21 now that I've watched it a few more times it's been obvious to me, you're right lol

I write dialogue scenes quite often as an author these days. I think you’ll find it interesting that I try very much to do something like this with casual-speaking characters, but I also have sophisticated-speaking characters. Those are the characters with dialogue phrasing that would ABSOLUTELY need to be perfectly mimicked by an actor word for word.

Hi, I tend to know a handful on acting and well havnt done much in a year but what are the background explanations to why they paraphrased or skip? i can conclude they shaped up the lines to build well into their individual roles, or the directer had them work towards with certain traits of each

Brandon Reyes sometimes actors will do it because they forget the exact lines or maybe because they feel it’s more natural the way they present it. This version is kept in the movie probably because Damien Chazelle liked it more than the script

Substitution is not uncommon from script to screen as long as it 'doesn't take away the original dialogue context within the scene - none of it did on this occasion. As for extended dialogue, they may have done a couple of takes with it incorporated into the scene and decided that is just wasn't required in the end to get the message across to the audience, hence it being deleted from the movie.

It probably was filmed but they left it out in the cutting room because they noticed it didnt feel right as they were editing.

ScottRidesHonda Except, you know, when he physically and mentally abused his students. And lied about one of his student's deaths. But yeah, other than that, great guy!

I said a good leader, not a good person.

+ScottRidesHonda I don't think it's right to make that distinction.

+George Hamilton I think it's essential to make that distinction to any person you meet, so that you can take away, learn from them without slurping down all the unwanted stuff. Take the Waffen-SS as an example - a well-coordinated, well-equipped, disciplined, modern (for the times) army with revolutionary tactics that proved to be very effective in their suggested environment on one hand, but a den of blood-thirsty, Nazi-influenced, brainwashed, merciless murderers on the other.

Looking back, I realize that I wasn't clear on what I meant. My point was that good leaders in music are also good people, or at least act like good people, to their followers.

His use of parentheticals was flawless. It's all about the economy of the page, man.

he didn't write the script

The title page says WHIPLASH by Damien Chazelle...

Kit Mun he did, go search It in imdb

Yeah, he does all of it just so he could achieve the glory that comes with finding and making a legendary musician. It's not that he isn't trying to produce great jazz musicians, it more so that he's doing it for selfish reasons, even though this scene makes it seem like he's doing so out of some sort of divine obligation.

That’s Wikipedia bro, get a better source

ninjakiller23735 What’s then a better source? a fictional movie ?

@@YassineBoulfiham I like to see it as another example of Fletcher's flagrant manipulation of the facts, for better or worse. Here he's amplifying the given image of Jones throwing the cymbal at Parker's feet to exaggerate the connotation of humiliation to strengthen what they know was Charlie's eventual musical redemption to provoke a similar response in Andrew.

That's a dangerous mindset to have. I really don't know if Damien Chazelle meant to deceive such a large portion of the fanbase into being inspired by this movie.

@@georgeofhamilton I highly doubt it. It's clearly a critique of Fletcher's teaching style and not a praise.

@@Pierrot110194 well, it seems to have fooled Mr. Wumbo

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They could have recorded them but cut them later. It's hard to tell what all JKS did but is just missing.

One of my favourite bits in the movie. > Mouths *Fuck you* 'I will gouge out your motherfucking ey-' *Smash*

Ikr, I'm thinking did the actors just make the role their own,, beyond where the writer even wanted the impact to take effect- or was the script further developed. Like Simmons as Fletcher saying "any moron" over "any idiot", the head gets nearly "decapitated" rather than having the head "sliced off"..little changes just make such a different effect.

Actors cutting out what they think was uneccesary shit and I think they made the right choice. Also, they've grown into their roles so much, that they make changes, Amy e even without thinking about it as that's what certain words or lines the character would say that the script doesn't use.

Last thing you need to worry about is dialogue. Buy Robert McKee's Story: Style, Structure, Substance, and the Principles of Screenwriting. You'll find EVERYTHING you need to know in there.

Excuse me... I don't think so... Without the Writer... you wouldn't have a story (script), which wouldn't be produced... which would never be made into a movie... The STORY is First and for most...

Judi Christopher Writing is king. But directing is God. As in the Director should make sure that the writing gets translated from the page to the screen.

What Ive always assumed is that artistic decisions are finalized by a consensus; that is, the writers aren’t accepting the deviations from their script so much as they are agreeing to it. Also, im sure the writers understand that a script is inherently amenable once filming starts, because writing involves imagination, and a scene may not look as good as they pictured it once its actually filmed.

Best case scenario is for the writer to be on set as a consultant to the director. Whiplash especially benefitted from this, as the writer & director are the same person, so he could approve the improv on the spot. Ultimately, it'll be very individual as to whether the writer will approve of their script being changed. Some writers are extremely anal & will only accept the strictly word perfect deliveries, with no deviations. Some are completely loosey-goosey, and will let the actors do whatever they want, so long as the intention of the scene & the relevant information are delivered. Most probably fall somewhere in the middle, allowing room for re-interpretation & paraphrase, but still doing their job to keep them on target. I think a lot of it comes down to how natural the lines sound coming out of the actor's mouth. Sometimes an actor will just autocorrect a phrase because it's not something that feels natural to them, as so long as it doesn't interfere with the story or contradict the character, that will get approval, a lot of the time.

You are exactly right, alot of what the movie gets wrong is the absolute love for music everyone has. All ur top performers are people who snapped into this absolute dying infatuation for music. This causes someone to practice hours a day, which in turn, makes them great.

i was waiting for this