@@john.premose Right? He's really obnoxious and demeaning about it on way too many occasions, too. Which is a little ironic given how much utter bullsh*t the show throws around as "facts."
@@DocFunkenstein100% agree. QI is fun as an entertainment show (hence me watching it here). But it does take itself far too seriously a lot of the time. And the smugness accompanying the claxon, especially given the show's questionable relationship with the truth. And yes, I know the last sentence wasn't :)
@@DocFunkenstein Something which started really irritating me, especially in the later series Stephen Fry did, was when he would mis-hear or misconstrue something a guest was saying and interrupt to "correct" them, while he himself was wrong.
@@decodolly1535 I think in one of the interviews when Stephen was talking about his struggle with mental illness, he mentioned about doing a shooting for QI but feeling really depressed inside. So when I see an episode not feeling quite right, I'd just think that might be why. The earlier series were the best; series E with the elephant in the room was peak QI for me, and it's never been the same after that.
@@enkisdaughter4795 _technically_ by that time “Terok Nor” had been renamed “Deep Space 9”, and I wouldn’t usually bring up such a tiny nitpick but this _is_ the QI channel 😂 live long and prosper, my sister in Spock 🖖
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated How do you know Smiley didn't sing that song with Bashir on Terok Nor? I'll bet they did. We know they were both toiling there, both Terrans with roots from neighboring islands. We know Sisko gave his men alcohol. Surely Smiley and Bashir sang many a song together to pass those miserable nights on Terok Nor.
According to the book of 2nd Kings, Elijah and Elisha were walking along a road when they were separated by chariots of fire and then Elijah was carried up to heaven in a whirlwind. It is this that inspires the term used in the later poems and hymns.
@@Cornz38 It's plenty more than just a book of stories. Regardless of 'provability' or 'factualness', it's the foundation upon which Western society, morality, culture and justice was built. These days I'm pretty much agnostic, but I still think people should have familiarity with the Bible.
No, it's a book of stories and nothing more. It is not the foundation on which civilisation rests. WE, humans are the foundation of society and civilisation. No, Jesus and the bible had NOTHING to do with it.@@ripace554
We went to Jordan a few years ago and a tour guide told us that one be-fortressed ancient ruin we visited (I forget which), was thought to have been named ‘Arimathea’, but that this also applied to a number of other settlements in northern Jordan.
The problem is the theologians failed to realise this part of the fable was dictated by a bloke with a speach impediment who'd got at the Sabra liqueur ahead of briefing the scribes ........ What he meant to say was that, in reply to one of his mates bellowing out 'Oi, Joe, weerasta gone'? (He was from up North, not Glasto) Joseph who was in the bath shouted back *'I'm ower 'ere sithee'* (him being a right anoying mimic)
This was one of the plot points for The Mists of Avalon, how Glastonbury Tor became a Christian holy site in "real" England even as the pagan holy site was hidden in the mists as Avalon.
They came to Cornwall to trade for tin, just as the Phoenician’s had a thousand years before. Tin, to make bronze when mixed with copper was a rare material but Cornwall was stuffed with it… Probably wandered across to Somerset ‘cause of the vibrant music scene and ‘cause Somerset girls are easy….
Yup, they supposedly came here to trade Tin, which was a very popular product from the area. The legend was that Joseph planted his staff down on the Tor, when they arrived, and a Holy Thorn grew from that spot... the descendents of which still grows (though not in the same spot due to vanalism) to this day. As a result of this Jerusalem is considered the (un)official anthem for the area. Glastonbury also hold a regular ceremony, where they give a cutting of the Thorn to the monarch.
@@Elephantstonica I remember going to Glastonbury one holiday and a woman came up to us an asked, dead seriously, "do you know where the fertility stone is?". Then there were these teenagers gathered around this spring in a building and, from the bright outside, looking into the shadows of this small stone building, it looked so shifty and cultish . Not to mention all the Wicca and Incense style shops around the place. I don't think that town has moved on since the swinging 60s.
The Glastonbury Thorn featured as one of the traditions depicted on the 1986 Christmas stamps. I occasionally wondered what it was about, but never got around to looking it up.
You NEVER want to take over a job when the previous was so iconic. Never Mind the Buzzcocks, Top Gear, Question of Sport and so on. It's normally the one after you want as then you get "They're not as good as XX but far better than X." Sandi is one of those exceptions to the rule. She is superb and not a single notch down from Sir Stephen. 2 gems on a superb show.
Absolutely. She's so much better than the tiresome, pompous Stephen Fry. Stephen is great at other things (Blackadder, telling God where to get off etc) but Sandi is a far better host of this show.
Chariots of fire originally comes from the bible. Elijah told Elisha (his apprentice) if he saw him taken up to heaven on Chariots of Fire then he would receive a double of his spirit. If I remembered the story correctly
Yes. Exactly. Just goes to show that QI can be quite wrong sometimes. The Bible reference is well known - in fact, I think it's quoted in the film! Blake took the expression from the Bible - but QI would have you believe it was the other way around. Stephen 's Christophobia strikes again.
Nobody mentions that if Joseph of Arimathea was his Uncle and his dad was also Joseph, unless J of A was his mother’s brother then his grandparents named two of their sons Joseph!
They are available on BBC iPlayer, free provided you have a UK IP address. You don't have to actually prove you have a TV licence but they will keep asking.
Wait...so if his uncle was named Joseph, that means their parents either named two sons Joseph, or Mary married someone with the same name as her brother.
There was a name famine in those days, so people shared names all the time. One person had it during the week, a second person used it only at weekends...
I sure chariots of fire comes from pagan mythology. The sun god in Greco-Roman paganism had a chariot which he used to take the sun across the sky. Helios in Greek. Sol in Roman.
@@ajasont Nuuurse!! Aj got to the laptop again, how many times have i told you to lock the office door?? Bring the syringe, 20ml should do it. Actually, better make it 30.
Um...Where do you get that Joseph of Arimathea was Jesus' uncle? I thought this was supposed to be a show that dabbled in some semblance of scholarship.
He came with his uncle? Maternal uncle, or..... PATERNAL uncle? Did he visit England before or after he popped over to Utah to leave those magical tablet thingies that only Joseph Smith could read?
Some below have said "The bible is nothing more than a book of stories not ONE of them is remotely provable". I find that disappointing. It even rules out .......... The one about Jesus teaching those pigs to fly and nipping off to Magaluf for a dirty weekend. As a kid that was always my favourite - I had a map of the flight plan and everything in my Icon shrine.
*Strictly* speaking the phrase "chariot(s) of fire" appears twice in the Bible and "and did those feet in ancient times" is just bad fanfic written a couple thousand years later.
@@johnmichaelcule8423It's not even fanfic, it's a series of questions followed by a promise to build the country in his memory. Much better than fanfic.
@@rtozier2011 Well, that is what Blake is writing yes. But the impulse in the Middle Ages to write the story of What Jesus Did As A Boy is fanfic (and even earlier if you look at Gnostic Childhood Gospels of Jesus) .
@@ElephantstonicaBecause people back then didn't have last names. They were identified by their name (what we now call their first name) and where they were from--I don't know if it's their place of birth, residency, or whatever since I've never looked into it.
@@r0bw00d Right, right. Might not have been his uncle then. Might have just been his ‘dad’s’ mate, someone he worked with, or some bloke he met on the way. Mind you that means there were likely a few Jesus’ from Nazareth, and we know there were lots of Christs (Christos’). If anyone named Jesus went to Briton, then it could’ve been anyone. Same for any that went to Jerusalem, got baptised, crucified, etc. and Jesus had a brother apparently. Maybe they were twins. Would explain a resurrection, which is in itself only hearsay in the first place. As is everything in the gospels.
In Hebrew versions of the NT, Aramethea is usually put in as Haramati. Which would make it "Joseph from the heights" (in the mountains sense of the word, not the heavens sense).
"Did those feet in ancient times...?" Yeah, this is the old clickbait trick, isn't it? Video titles like "The answer to climate change?" or "New physics proves Big Bang never happened?" or "Is the Mandela Effect real?". Because then you can heavily imply something but, technically, you're not stating it's true. You're just questioning whether it could be true. And the old rule applies. If a video title or newspaper headline is phrased as a question, then the answer is "no". But they want to get you excited to bait you into clicking on their video / article. "Is this proof of God?". No, it isn't. "Did aliens really land in Roswell?". No, they didn't. "Were the Moon landings faked?". No, they weren't. So, "did these feet in ancient times...?". No, they didn't. It makes for a nice story. But it didn't happen. Because if there were any evidence at all, the poem would have started "Those feet in ancient times..." as a statement of fact.
As I understand it Blake was part of a strange Cult (if that's the right word) called the British Israelites, who believed that Jesus had come to England, including to Glastonbury . I don't know, but wonder whether that has anything to do with the legend of the Holy Grail, which, if I recall correctly, not only has something to do with Glastonbury, but maybe even further west, as far as Cornwall; Tintagel, perhaps? It seems possible to me, but I'm just guessing. As far as @Lord_Skeptic's comment, above, about Greco-Roman Pagan mythology goes, that could well make sense, it also seems to me. At present I'm reading a book by Richard Carrier - the American Ancient Historian and Philosopher - called "Jesus from Outer Space"which is a for lay-person's version of his scholarly tome " On the historicity of Jesus" , both of which map out the syncretic nature of both Judaism and, in more detail I believe, Christianity. Both borrowed from the pagan religions around them, including, in the case of Judaism, Zoroastrianism, & in the case of Christianity particularly, the Greco - Roman pagan beliefs which were around at the time - which would explain the Chariots of Fire connection which @Lord_skeptic refers to. If you look at RC's yt posts about "Dying Rising Gods" and also one called, I think, "Why the Gospels are myths" (as well as any number of others I won't name) then you can see for yourselves if you're interested. Also, if you're interested, the first book I've mentioned is good (as far as I've got at least), as is his philosophical book " Sense and Goodness without God" (also - as far as I've got) - and, btw, I haven't got shares in his Publisher - 'just like to pass on tips. ( The scholarly book is probably not for everyone - it's much more technical and also includes a lot of Bayes theorem mathematical stuff, but if that's your bag, good on yer). However, I opine that Blake's opening line was framed as a question in much the same way as Yt posts or TV programmes can be, to disguise (but titillate) readers / viewers and encourage them to view his propaganda. When I used to work as a church organist a bit ( what we do for money) I managed to explain this to vicars once or twice; I expect they thought I was quite the smartarse!
The phrase 'chariot of fire' comes from a poem by William Blake originally. Sir Hubert Parry then added music much later on and that became the hymn Jerusalem.
Typical of Stephen's Christophobia - this solution is completely incorrect. The expression "Chariots of Fire" comes from 2 Kings 2 in the Bible. Elisha saw "chariots of fire" upon Elijah being taken up into heaven via a whirlwind. Blake took the expression from the Bible and planted it into the idiotic story of Jesus going to England. Looks like Mike Oldfield's daughter Molly, doesn't know how to read.
There's no proof Joseph of Arimethea was Papa Joseph's Brother .. he could have been Mary's Brother - OR Uncle .. or his Grandfather's Brother on either side .. or the Gay Dude living next store who 'enjoyed Jesus' them same way Prince Charles 'enjoyed' his Uncle ..
Joseph of Aramathea was a trader and used to come to England, Cornwall and Devon specifically, to trade for tin. There is a “gap” within the New Testament, where Jesus seemingly disappears for two or three years, which could be explained by the amount of time it would take to travel from the Middle East to England and back. Ingots of tin have been found in Jerusalem during digs and, when tested, were found to have come from Cornish or Devonish tin mines. The Phoenicians (?the Sea Peoples) used to come to England to trade for tin too.
I think the "gap" might come from teh fact that the various books were written no earlier (and probably much later) than 30-40 years after the supposed occurences. The authors are largely unknown, nor are their motivations. The 4 gospels are probably little more than recording of the oral myths and traditions of the early xtians. It' an interesting legend, but really has nothing to substantiate it.
It's impossible to know if Joseph of Arimathea ever visited the British Isles, the gospels only say that he was rich. We don't even know if the dude existed.
I’ve seen YT vids trying to debunk the myth..BUT I have to say it is in fact highly LIKELY imo that Jesus DID visit England….because Joseph of Aromatherapy (pun) was in fact a metals trader and did come to England on business for Cornish tin. Now think about it in Jesus shoes (sandles) …you live in a dry arrid land and over comes your uncle Joe for dinner with his tales of this far off land he visits which is springing with verdant life and is temperate instead if roasting hot. Being a teenager with nothing special going and a curiosity, would you not reasonably ask to accompany him on his next business trip abroad….yes? As to exactly where young Jesus set foot is uncertain, but he would at least have started in the West Country where Joseph needed to go…right?
The whole "Jesus came to England" thing was pro-colonial propaganda, part of a bunch of supposed "facts" we were using to support our colonizing other countries. Bit of a downer, yeah, but shouldn't be forgotten.
@@tooleyheadbang4239 No, I did research. You know, that thing people do when they want factual information? You might want to try it, before mouthing off.
I've done nothing BUT research things since I first discovered reading. That was before I was sent to school. I had to use books, in those days. You know, those big heavy things, where you turn over pages. You should give them a try. Some of them have pictures in. @@dmgroberts5471
@@dmgroberts5471 "I did my own research". Would you care to share that with us? I mean during the 12th and 13th centuries, various legends of Joseph of Aramathea associated with Britain, particularly with Glastonbury and the Holy Grail developed. So to claim that they were only made up to support our colonising other countries is a bit of a stretch... As really that didn't start to happen until the 16th century. That doesn't mean I believe the legends either.
They brought the child, Jesus, to England to save his life. There is also a place in the Middle East that claims Jesus was there in the "lost years" until his 30th birthday or so.
According to the Glastonbury Legends, Jesus spent his visit to our green and pleasant land building (he was a carpenter, remember) a wooden chapel dedicated to his mother, Mary, on top of Glastonbury Tor.
Neither the Wikipedia articles on "Joseph of Arimathea" nor Arimathea" alone provide any statement declaring the location of Arimathea. Both describe the variety of places that have been proposed. As the Wikipedia article on "Joseph of Arimathea" puts it, "The historical location of Arimathea is uncertain, although it has been identified with several towns." I'm not here to debate the accuracy of Wikipedia, but it doesn't say what you claim. I didn't bother with "google," since that's a search engine, not a source.
Most geographic place names hsve shifted over the centuries. The Jerusalem of Christ is not the Jerusalem of today. The Britain of Boudicea is not the Great Britain of today. The India Alexander the Great went to is not the India(or Pakistan) of today. Marco Polo travelled to the Khan's capital, and the Forbidden City, but he never went anywhere near modern China or Mongolia. etc.
If you mean in the sense that this city limits of Jerusalem are smaller now than they once were, and that many of the original buildings lie in ruins beneath the buildings and the streets. But if you mean in the sense that the city limits of ancient Jerusalem did not lie within the modern day city limits of Jerusalem, I’m afraid you are mistaken.
@@nedisahonkey Look in old books. Look at old maps. Look at old paintings, by the Masters. Jerusalem is always painted as a hilly, green lush town right next to a body of water. Egypt was described as "the breadbasket of the Roman Empire". Archaeologists can find no trace of the civilisations they are looking for in the spots they are looking. But, I guess you having access to wiki trumps all that, and more...
@@thewilltheway Even the Bible contradicts your statement. Read Psalm Ch 125 v 2. Then read(together) from the Book of Revelation. Ch 11v8, Ch14v8, Ch17v9, Ch17v18. And note the obvious wine culture of those people. So, where is/was the Jerusalem of the Bible?
"They" wouldn't have taken the piss out of christianity 500 years ago or so, for the same obvious reason that most comics don't take on Islam nowadays (quite apart from the risk of being, or being thought to be Islamaphobic) - that's the risk of being more open- minded, and not murderous fanatics! 'dreadful, isn't it?
.. how embarrasing fore Fry .. how he ignore the women... and it shows that he almost only invited male comedians t the show. Sandi Toksvig is much better host
@@deaddoll1361 it really annoys me that you people defend the inanity and time wasting of Bill Bailey and Davies. I can't believe that stuff is included after editing. Does that mean that's the better stuff they do? As I'm assuming the things which were cut out were even worse. What's wrong with them? It's not funny, it's insulting. That's why I get angry at it
