Hopefully not responsible for the v1 mega superdeluxe tune. Thing was notoriously overdamped to the point with a shock change it was like a whole new bike according to all riders.
@@jessehill3780 lol yeah, I still have my V1 completely refreshed and waiting for a buyer. I completely agree on the stiffness of the V1... my DHX2 definitely helped in that regard, but that was a painful bike to get along with for a little while there.
@@PJJ205mtb I never actually rode one but was aware of so many comments and reviews talking about having to push past the rough spot (basically have to hit everything at Mach 10 to get it to activate). Then like the very last year of the v1 they put on the x2 and same mags reviewed it and we’re blown away by the bike and how different it was. It was like duh, anyone who did a tractive tune could have told you that thing was way way off. Surprising how far off they got that one.
I raced with Kiran back in the day at Northstar, I remember him letting me check out his V10.4. Since then I have owned nothing but Santa Cruz, I'm on my 4th and cant wait to see what he makes out of the V10.8!
Love the exchange with engineering. I did halfway expect some mention of the CAD "Digital Twin", but I guess this is the target audience for the video.
After watching this video I think Kieran is a fantastic engineer I will always buy a Santa Cruz bike because the engineering especially the VPP suspension technology is the best plus Santa Cruz have the best website ever when it comes to torque specs and exploded diagrams as well
Just upgraded my 7 yr old Bronson 2 with a second hand Fox X2. Kiran’s inspired me to start tinkering to find the perfect setup for my ride style 🤓👌 Cheers Kiran! (Also super sick you’re also into RC!)
id love to hear his opinion on alternative drivetrain options especially regarding the influence of chain-movement on the rear-end characteristics/performance
@@DrudgeAudio well yeah and no. i shouldve made more clear what i meant by chain-influences. you can distinct to different ways the chain influences the suspension performance. first: the obvious pedal kickback story, that is fairly easy to manage using idlers and appropriate geometry. however in some cases (such as santacruz bikes for example) a certain amount of pedal-kickback is desired. second: the intertia induced slapping around of the lower part of the chain in conjunction with the cake of the derallieur (and its clutch). this has several effects. it will also induce a moment on the chainring and thus can also feel like pedal-kickback. on the rear end it the tension-forces will negatively effect the way the suspension moves. as the chain and the derallieur are really heavy parts of the rear end they essentially act as another sprung weight, that can also negatively effect the suspension dynamically. more so than just a lumb of metal with the equivalent unsprung mass. what could be done to mitigate this? the most straight forward thing to do would be for example a gearbox-bike with a belt (especially for downhill). you could also look into wwhat trinity-bikes or lal-bikes are doing
from my past all bikes - Vp free from 2004 my favorite! This is the perfect bike. Rear travel 215. But I can go 85-100 km without problems, when friends on hardtails pant from behind. I can go enduro, DH, СС, - it's all-purpose! ideal geo!) Haven`t money for try new models, but my oldschool is perfect!!!
This is a question we get asked alot. People think there is some sort of rule, or reason that you can't run a different brand fork and shock on the same bike. There are zero reason not to. If we really like the way a specific rear suspension works on a bike, we run it regardless of fork brand on the same bike model. Sometimes you just find the best of both worlds to get the overall feel you are looking for.
The bike Kiran is riding is a pre-production bike. Typically he's riding mules years before we all see the final product. Then pre-production carbon bikes are produced approximately 12 months prior to launch and ridden extensively to check chassis stiffness, suspension tuning and details.
Schön, aber ich dachte, ich erfahre ein Bisschen etwas, was mir hilft, meinen Dämpfer einzustellen, es ist aber letztendlich eine Santa Cruz Werbung. Aber schön - dabei bleibe ich
Wenn ich kann, würde ich gerne bei der Einrichtung Ihrer Federung helfen. Ich habe an meinem Santa Cruz mit vielen verschiedenen Kombinationen von Abstandshaltern und Luftdruck experimentiert und es fährt sich im Moment großartig. Sorry the poor translation, my German is not good yet 🙂 message me
I’ve learned the suspension that feels perfect for a pro ride will probably feel like crap to your average rider. Average riders probably make up 80% of bike sales
This can be true, which is exactly why Kiran mentions that he's always looking for that balance to find the 'perfect tune' for varying types of riders👍
Agree 100%. I've got a 2022 Tallboy. When I ride at my top speed the bike feels pretty damn good; the best MTB I've ridden in 35 years of riding. I'm neither skilled nor fit enough to ride the stock setup in its sweet spot. This results in the bike not feeling all that great at my usual speeds and lines. Nowhere near enough small bump unless I'm hammering. It's riding very well now that I've made mods with a Vorsprung Luftcappe in the fork and finding a better spacer/ psi combo for the rear. My take on it is I don't want a bike that's made for my sweet spot because I'm improving and don't want to exceed the bike. I want the bike to exceed me. It's not all that difficult to find a suspension tune that suits an individuals ability if the bike has range. But I'm not going to spend Santa Cruz $$ on a bike that runs out adaptability where the median of 80% of riders is, even though I'm not that far of that median myself. Easy to flip that and say it's just as easy to level up with mods to an average rider stock bike, but the kinematics and geo will always be for average speeds and handling. For me I'm excited to grow into the bike. I suppose that SC could have two suspension tune starting point recommendations, one for average riders, and one for slayers. That would save a lot of fafing around from the get-go on initial bike set up.
"...deal with my perfectionist tendencies". Immediately next clip shows him hitting a shock bolt with just a t handle, no precisely calibrated torque wrench. 😁
I’m not sure what you mean by to young but I’ve found it to be a close starting point just needs more compression damping and less low speed rebound to keep from packing for the x2 anyway.
What I really like about Jordi is that he literally never tells you anything meaningful but yet he's considered THE suspension guru. He has made a career out of..... ummmm..... Oh - and isn't that a ZEB I see....? F Fox. But I do love my HT V2
My friend put this bike together for his son and before I knew it he was done ru-vid.comUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L When the son came to put it together he was surprised to see it was already done. All he had to do was take the bike to get air and be on his way. My friend did not have any major problems putting this bike together; small issue was putting one of the brakes on straight; however when the son got home he was able to fix it. The bike rides well gears move correctly; good bike for the price. Wrote review after the son took the bike. Sorry.
