So side note on the Thomas Zane theory, when Alan Wake first comes to Bright Falls and meets the brothers Thor & Odin they say "It's been a long time, Tom. Good to see you".
As far as Polaris goes, I believe you are spot on. There are so many references to the North Star or Northern Pillar throughout ancient cultures and mythology/theology. One additional data point I would add is that in the era of the titans, the Northern Pillar during the castration had two names. Koios and Polus. The latter meaning the Axis of Heaven. The point where the stars revolved. In addition, the Polaris chant mirrors this idea. When Jesse meets Jesse-Polaris, she is chanting, "Grow Brighter. Around one Constant they revolve." One additional thing on Polaris that I would argue is that Polaris is greater than Jesse's Jungian Self, but Jesse's Self is Polaris. The aspect of Polaris that Jesse is tuned with is only one small aspect of the greater entity. Her own Guardian Angel/Djinn so to speak. In many cultures the Guardian Angel is not seperate from us, but part of us. Our Superconscious/Jungian Self. In regards to Thomas Zane, I feel we still need more information for his character. If we go by the hypothesis that that we use for Polaris, then Zane would be Alan made perfect. However, within the story, Zane is an example not of what Alan should strive to be, but what not to be. His mistakes are the central point of most of the drama. Cynthia mentions that Alan is a smarter man that Tom in the sense he won't make the same mistakes. If we consider Zane the mentor character we must classify which type he is. Either he is the Mentor who was a former successful hero here to aid the new hero. This is the Hermit/Fool card comparisons. Or he is the failed Hero who now that he has learned from his mistake is able to guide a hero to treasures he could not achieve himself. In This House of Dreams, it is mentioned that the Zane we see in Alan Wake is not really him. Just like the Dark Presence took the form of Barbara, a Bright Presence took the form of Zane. Hence the bright light. In this sense, maybe the Bright Presence can be considered Alan's Jungian Self? Apologies for rambling. There is a lot of really good info in this video I wanted to comment on. Great work!
Love both of you guy’s videos and analysis What do you think that Thomas Zane has a romantic history with both Baba Yaga and the Light Lady in these aspects? Seems like personification of Good / Evil Archetypes IMO I feel as this alludes to some meaning of Thomas Zane
Man you nailed what I was missing right on the head once again. I knew there was something In This House of Dreams that would better explain Zane. And this is perfect referrals. I do have a question about Control's lore...have you read the Our Whereabouts Dead Letter? And have you looked into the plasma/brain cell comparison to the sun+moon are composed of plasma and what is this implying? I started to actually look into it and if there is something to this IRL I am awfully curious. But I need someone a little smarter than me to help me understand in lamens terms if it's not just a rabbit hole.
Just a note, Polaris couldnt be a Djinn, because iranian/arabic tradition positions them as angels fallen from God's grace. In any case an iranian angel for example would be: فرشته or fereshté. I think it would have to be not only an angel but the most revered, because she is the Director, which we would then say her angel might be Ahora Mazda. IMHO.
In our culture a djinn is an Entity that lives in a parallel universe born from capable of self thought (a conscious being) neither good nor bad its shades of gray like all we are with different races, religions and beliefs. But what differs is that the djinn are able to see us and have extremely limited capacity of influence in this realm, hence Muslim djinn are allowed to observe but never interfere (its gods demand so they show there piety )as for other djinn some choose not interfere while other that westerners call them devils do choose interfere and there form interference is whispers to try and manipulate men(I mean it in a non gender related way) and provoke them to do evil deeds our exert negative emotions of hatred. As I said they whisper either like an ear worm a mantra you here in or they manifest and talk to you warp your heart but never interfere themselves, and that is why we also believe that devils (Shaitan) can be either human or djinn in my culture as we are also hold the power of the word. Honestly I believe in the power of words one can save while another can doom. As for guardian angels we believe that every man (again non gender related) has a pair of angels we call the scribers as one writes the good deeds we do and the other writes bad ones. And every man has an appointed devil his consort which is his ear worm. Also the ego is an enemy too as it wants to not be the self (basically surrendering to our animalistic instincts). For the guardian it is the deity alone himself is guardian for all who ask. Once again the power of the word. As you ask and he gives the word and so strings fate are weaved into motion to fulfill your need and not your want. Sorry for the long paragraphs and excuse my bad English grammar. Anyway love both of your work
I have a feeling Zane is now a pawn of darkness and Alan created the Zane that helped him, a poet. But in the world he had hired Alan Wake on Night Springs. I think Zane is going to use Wake to free himself and (Barbara/The Darkness) in the short story about the woman who had Zane's cardboard box with a picture of them. I believe there was a line that said he's been warped so much that any attempt of his to get out of the dark place he will free the Darkness. But I could be wrong. They do say he is a screenwriter. But I can see how Zane is Wakes creation to help him get out. But Zane gives him Mr. Scratch and that dude is evil. So why did Zane do this if he is in fact good or at least a part of Alan?
I always assumed Polaris is just the player. The way she has that internal "not" monologues adressing polaris as "you" even before you know how Jesse calls "you" with no ingame Polaris response, the only voice you hear is you saying "just get on with it" + how Jesse says Polaris guides her, like the player does + the name of the game is literally Control + Remedy's love for meta references feel to me that at least they wanted to give a hint of that in this first game. Maybe it will change later , but in this one game, that is how I read it.
We might never hear Polaris respond to Jesse but we do see it. Her visual representation always appears on screen when Jesse reacts as if Polaris had just talked to her
@@ThisDoeb But that is not a problem. Just like any other character in interactive fiction, you're them/control them only for the in-universe time the story takes place in, not before, not after, for hopefully obvious reasons.
Great etymology for Thomas Zane! It has basically been revealed through the Alan Wake phone calls in Control, that Wake, when out of time, contained within the Dark Place, wrote the entire plot leading up to Alan Wake as well as Control, all in an attempt to escape the Dark Place. This video is awesome though, please keep going!
I haven't actually watched this video as I haven't played Control yet. Just came to like to help out with the algorithm seeing as you're slowing down with the uploads 👍🏻
Am I the only one who thinks that the "Zane" version of Alan at the beginning of the AWE DLC wasn't Zane at all but just Mr. Scratch messing with Alan? There is a file you can pick up towards the end of the DLC that pretty much says Alice is still being attacked by Mr. Scratch.
What if Mr. Scratch actually is Thomas Zane or more accurately what he become after years in dark place and whole Alan wake story was Scratch/Zane plan to escape and replace himself with Alan
I thought the dlc "Zane" was either Mr. Scratch or something to do with Hartman. Maybe they just sounded similar but I thought that "Zane" and Hartman in the dlc had the same voice, implying an attempt to control Alan, also considering he was the main antagonist of the dlc. Also they were clearly able to get James McCaffrey for control so why wouldn't they get him again as "Zane" if that was the same one?
I don't think that is Mr. Scratch scaring Alice, Alan makes it pretty clear he needed Alice to go to the FBC, so what better way than to scare her into doing so?
Comment from the future. The whole Alice situation is tragic. Mr. Scratch is pretty prominent in Alan Wake II, and it's pretty clear that Scratch and Zane are not the same. At least not in the way that you're thinking.
I'm gonna need some time to process this, but... dude, the conclusion literally gave me goosebumps. Well done. I was a bit disappointed that the AWE DLC didn't give us more info on Alan Wake than it did, but at least it strongly hints that there's a lot more to come.
I am personally under the belief that Thomas Zane is an entity outside of Alan altogether, and that the Thomas Zane that we see in Alan Wake and the Thomas Zane we see in Control are two separate entities. At the end the of the special episode The Writer, Thomas guides Wake to the lighthouse and ultimately to the cabin so that the good half of Alan’s psyche could join back with his physical body. Mr. Scratch, the dark half of Alan’s psyche, is yet to be dealt with properly, especially since Alan Wake’s American Nightmare isn’t canon. Between the events of Control and Alan Wake, something has rewritten Thomas Zane in the universe from being this famous but mostly forgotten poet to a European filmmaker, as can be seen in the prime candidate program in control as well as in the AWE dlc. When we see Alan talking to “Zane” in the dlc cutscene, he references that he is a filmmaker and that the poet persona is just a character he played in one of his films. Yet “Zane” wears the body of Alan Wake, and is coaxing him to continue writing while still trapped in the dark threshold. Perhaps it’s a shallow interpretation or it’s too straightforward, but it would seem that between the events of Alan Wake and Control, while Alan has been stuck in the threshold, Mr. Scratch has been rewriting reality and trying to interfere with the lives of those who knew Alan under the guise of Thomas Zane. We also know from the AWE dlc that this Mr. Scratch/“Zane” entity has been trying to interact malevolently with Alice Wake night after night. One final note, in the brief Alan Wake II teaser trailer, Alan’s voiceover refers to a monster, where the camera switches from his face to that of a monstrous Alan, most likely this Mr. Scratch/“Zane” entity
@@maxderrat The original is really goofy and weird, the Return is crazy, a whole different show. Twin Perfect made an analysis about it, and specifically Lynch's many comments about the Collective Unconscious
I think you'd like it. Im going through Gaming University's Alan Wake playlist and Twin Peaks is obviously related, the concept of Night Springs especially, a show within a show. Twin Peaks has something very similar.
Now that Alan Wake II is out, I'd love an update to the Zane theory. The new stuff doesn't disprove this conjecture, but there's a lot of added context that implies that there's something different going on between Wake and Zane, such as Ahti, Tor, and Odin all referring directly to Wake as "Tom." What I actually think is going on is that Thomas Zane was the original, and is the first (and perhaps the final) version of Wake. This is possible because time apparently is meaningless, or at least more of a suggestion, within the dark place as Alan is able to trigger the events of Alan Wake II and arguably Control from an entirely different point in time. Additionally, Ahti, along with some other characters, reference Alan giving them explicit instructions that Alan currently doesn't remember giving them. Now these insturctions COULD actually be a certain other character who you find out in the after-credits scene is involved, but they could also just as easly be coming from a future-Alan/Zane who had to turn around and set things up so that they would happen a specific way. I think the Thomas Zane we see in Alan Wake is either his end state, or an in-between for Alan and the original Zane. The Thomas Zane that we see in the Control DLC and Alan Wake II is the original Zane, as he seems far more unhinged and enthralled by the dark pressence than Alan is.
(As a note, I haven't seen or played Alan Wake 2 yet. Just drawing from the games from before then for this observation) As I stated in another comment and go expand upon here, Barbara Jaeger in this analogy is Alan's Jungian Shadow. The suppressed subconscious self-destructive aspect of Alan that resists the difficult struggle to approach the Self and sink into oblivion either by actual death, or release into Alan's worst nature ala Mr. Scratch. Like a wish from the monkey's paw, Barbara opens the narrative by providing Alan's worst impulses by removing Alice when he is angry at her and giving him his creativity back but cursed it to bring horrors to life. The narrative of Alan Wake is him undoing that unasked for wish. Mr. Scratch of course is the "other face" Barbara promised to take after her destruction. One can destroy a manifestation of the Shadow but it will simply reform so long as the elements of that part of a person still exist. Alan managed to overcome his worst qualities temporarily to save Alice but ultimately it sucked him back in as shown in the Writer/Signal DLC. The events of "American Nightmare" are another failed attempt to destroy the Shadow. So long that Alan sees his worst aspects as separate from himself, they will continue to manifest as a malevolent entity plaguing him and what he loves and given the cosmic level power Alana has, the world.
Polaris is an entity just like the Hiss. Except where you are made of flesh and blood, these entities are made of resonance from a different plane. Polaris represents consonance, hiss is dissonance. Polaris shapes itself to fit the host resonance, the Hiss forces the host to overwrite itself.
Hey Max, so I reccommend watching the Sound Alchemy Documentary. It answers a lot of questions you and Uberboyo had when discussing the new age Aquarius. You can find it here on RU-vid.
Commenting for the algorithm ♡. btw you should check out a game called the suffering and suffering ties that bind, I'm sure you're gonna love that type of game and it'd be really cool to see you analizying it and interpreting the hidden meaning it has, like you did with spec ops and silent hill 😬
@jack thursby good to see civility in the comments section. The SCP Foundation is dope btw. Jung is annoying to constantly hear about (especially the same like 2 books)
So i think polatis is an entity that materialized in the AWE from ordinary. The other one that did was the hiss. In my hypothesis jesse is actually not related to polaris in any way but is actually the same person as his suposed brother, but his brother materialized in the AWE and jesse remembers him as if he where real. He is IMO jesse's shadow and she has to fight with that shadow in order to be the director / help polaris against the dark forces. Only one that can surpass the shadow could be the director
DO NOT watch gaming university's videos, I was binge watching his control lore videos and about half way through his collection I started shivering and felt cold like something was onto me or something is hiding and watching me, I ended up hiding on my bed and fell asleep, stuff like this never happened to me before (it's hot summer here and the fact I was okay with wrapping/hiding myself with blanket blows my mind) look I'm not saying he's hiding manipulative or suggestive queue in his vids but his works are making me both physically/mentally uncomfortable. I mean there's no one there to stop you but you've been told. stick to Max's vids
Now that I think about it, there's this like old home detailers shop in my country, it's named Polaris and its logos is mandalaesque... Maybe my jungian self is supposed to be an independent construction contractor, or something IDK
Even though this is a year later and I do agree with some points but I do think Polaris is more than just Jesse’s Jungian(??) self. I think that Polaris like the hiss is a type of resonance. Unlike the hiss she is not demanding control. I think she helped both Jesse, Dylan, and Darling alongside Hedron. I think Dylan’s misery/being a threshold kid was a form of trauma for him, he and Trench let the Hiss in. Polaris has something to do with resonance and my only frame of reference is that she would have to to be an opposing force to the Hiss whose resonance plays a big part of its powers and taking over the human. Regardless an awesome video, and points were definitely made here. I enjoyed this
Small connection to a tabletop RPG that I like, Mage: The Ascension: Polaris would be Jessie's Avatar, the embodiment of her Awakened soul and the personification of her magic. (All of what Jessie does would fall under the Forces sphere of magic) although given the nature of the FBC and such, she would be more likely a Technocrat (mages who pushed Science as the consensus and thus the paradigm of the world and no longer believe or remember that they are in fact mages and view what they do as Enlightened Science instead) and Polaris would be her Genius instead.
as stated by this house of dreams, the thomas we have seen, in the alan wake game at least, is not the real one. the real zane created a new world and took his as his wife's soul to live there. leaving behind their bodies in the lake. his wife's body was taken by the dark presence, while his was taken by the light one, which believes to be zane. chances are that this zane alan sees now, the one who looks like him, is nothing more than another creation of alan's who may be aware of the possibility that he was created by the original zane. alan probably believes (or knows) that he is just a copy of zane, and without ever seeing a picture of what zane looks, he probably just assumes that they both look the same. anything is possible
I think that you're largely right, especially in terms of the ideas that inspired the game, and maybe it's all just semantics, but I didn't interpret that scene as Jesse's name having become "Jesse Polaris", but more as Polaris' name becoming "Jesse Polaris". In my interpretation, Polaris represents an ultimate idea of the higher self in general, and not just Jesse's in particular. The scene took place inside of Jesse's head, and she looked up to witness a vision of herself floating inside of Polaris. I interpret that scene to have three entities in it- Jesse, Jesse's higher self, and Polaris. I think at that moment, Jesse was seeing a visual representation of her higher self merging with Polaris, and this is where she stopped referring to Polaris as a secondary entity. Given that Polaris existed in the slidescape before meeting Jesse, and that Polaris touched both Jesse and Dylan, I feel that Polaris was an entity who helped Jesse reach her higher self, rather than being a literal representation of Jesse's higher self. Polaris could have possibly had a similar effect on Dylan if things had gone differently for him, as it did seem that he maintained contact with Polaris for a number of years after the Ordinary AWE.
I kept thinking Alan Wake was Polaris and him writing the story. But the collective unconscious thing helps with it being Zane. Maybe next Remedy game we get will be a God (Zane, Polaris) trying to escape from some prison. Makes sense. I mean, why is Ahti trapped in the House? He's a Finnish God.
I'm convinced, makes the most sense.. tho polaris was a started experience with Jesse's bro... Tho they had a weird blended mentioning of their names, as if interchangeable
Remedy loves their Scandanvian folklore, and mythology. They intertwine Norse mythology into all of their works. Anti in the Oldest House Foundation shows you that the Oldest House is Yggdrasil, and the Oldest house’s connection to other dimensions are at least in this games lore the 9 realms, with the Oldest House’s location in NYC/Earth is Midgard. I bet you Control 2 will expand on this. I believe Thomas Zane, and Polaris are a version of the Norns. The Hiss can be seen as an extension or sort of offspring of Loki. Jesse Faden with the service weapon can be the version or extension of Thor with the service weapon being a version of Mjolnir.
Not sure why but just recently I’ve played Control again, the ultimate edition in order to platinum it (which I did) but once I’d finished it, Jesse’s name did not appear as Jesse Polaris 😧 when I’d finished it on the PS4 it did! Has this happened to anyone else?!
Real late to the game with here, but the influence of Finnish Mythology shouldn’t be overlooked. I’m only peripherally aware of the myths from my days deep diving Tolkien’s influences, but their creation myth literally revolves around a pillar at the North Pole between earth and the pole star, holding up the sky. And that “cosmic mandala”, that whirl of stars, is the entrance to the land of the dead. Only mention it on account of the first character you meet in the game being a Finnish sea god.
Polaris is could be Gnostisim's Sophia (A Lesser Aeon). Hiss are mostlikely either Archons created by the flawed Demiurge Yaldabaoth who was spawned by Sophia. Or maybe even Yaldabaoth himself. Thats why Polaris/Sophia are trying to stop and seal the Hiss. Polaris cannot be Jessie Faden's inner self, because Hiss recognized her immediately and were enraged by her. It is also clear that resonance kown as Polaris and resonance known as Hiss have previous history together. Also, at some point Polaris was together with both Jessie and Dylan after they met Her in dimention locked inside Slide 36. How can Jessie's inner self be inside herself and her own brother? Polaris gotta be its own entity. In Gnostisism Aeons are described as huge coiled snakes made of light. Thats exactly how we see Polaris in Control as ever shifting, infinite coils.
I didn't have subtitles on so I didn't see that it was "Wake" talking or "Jesse Polaris". I don't think you should have to have subtitles on to get some small details in a game. I always turn them off to make the game more cinematic.
well i spected that was pretty clear polaris is a mental force that focus and armonize , the idea of cooexistance and simbiosis. While the hiss (noice , static) cant be clearer ,psiquic entropy. Eddit also in 8:50 most religious or sacred beings of occidental religion have halos over them usualy with that shape. For me is just a universal symbol of clarity or sacred.
The titlescreen looks like Heisenberg's certain uncertainty principle. Or is it Schrodinger's equation? Whatever. 10/10 would see god for a quarter again.
You forgot something very simple to look at in your explantion about the north pole, christmas! Somehow, Jesus is connected to the north pole due to Santa Claus, when we think about chrsitmas we think about Jesus and Santa, for kids mostly is about Santa, for adults is about Jesus, but the connection with the north pole is there.
they are all Fiction inside of Fiction, Even Alan Wake is a fictional character created by a real writer named Alan Wake. The only moments in all of the games that are real, are the moments leading up to Alan being taken by the dark presence. The missing week, and alan writing a horror story to come true that he has to live out then returning to the darkness to save Alice, never happened. Everything is 100 % fiction, Alan has been trapped in the dark place for 13 year, he wrote about himself, about Jesse, Jack, Max, and some unfinished stories. The alan that escaped the dark place, is the fictional version of himself. in short. None of the Remedy Games, or the stories they tell, Ever happened.
Man, Game designers need to find more variety in their philosophical reference points. The amount of Jung philosophy in gaming is getting oversaturated at this point. Should be more games about Eastern philosophy or something...
Do people actually complain that you use Jung a lot? I really enjoy looking at everything from a Jungian perspective, not many people examine "the meta" of reality like he does.
Those who roll their eyes simply refuse to see the fact that one will begin to see his teaching everywhere once you have a deeper understanding of them. It isn't an exclusive doctrine and it is built off of years of study obtained from many sources around the globe.
@@cpt.taselbymc8400 Spying on nazis*. Also do yourself a favor and see what Jordan Peterson has to say about nazis in relation to the every man, may surprise you. Or stick your head back in the sand, or echo chamber, your preference.
@@maxderrat Great video as usual man, been following them all since I found you a few months ago. Really has helped through a lot especially in the current climate.
You're not really wrong to test Jung against a lot of media He's loved figure in pop psychology.In a lot first year sociology/psychology classes that are part many college majors have.Anyone may look up mental illness, or want to use psychology talk as part a project can't avoid him popping up. As no matter how anyone feels about his ideas they did help build modern psychology.. I can't count the number movies/shows which give an exposition dump where the token expert goes on about one Jung's ideas.As I think many in here know recondition in popular media makes many in the audiences feel smart. Because they recognize that name . Even if they never fact check movies interpretation of his ideas. Many his ideas are part the foundation used to create the heroes journey
They use Jung a lot in their games. But w lot in Control. It has a lot to do with Alan Wake as well. I've had synchronicity occur so much since playing Control...it's led me to began research on it extensively. Check out Deepak Chopra on Spotify.bor read his book The Spontaneous Fulfillment of Desire. This is a great video. Keep up your videos I hardly find anyone besides University Gaming who goes into such detail and intelligent based videos on my favorite games. I also love mythology.
Jesus Christ is not a myth, he was real and is God, God is real, and and Christianity is not justa a religion, it is the truth. God created everything and there patterns.
Well, the reason everyone has a mother & father is because you need a male & female to reproduce. But that's only biological. I get what you mean though. hehe I'm surprised you used the Mormon Church's most popular painting of Jesus here. That's a rare thing non-Mormon do on the internet.
Been watching your vid’s today. Just have to disagree on one thing here. *Imo* the self is the real *i* the true you. Everything built on top things from TV radio experience heroes. Everything you’ve consumed is who you think you are. That is the ego built on top of the real *i*. Please understand this is JUST MY OPINION
At this point. I'm just gonna unsubscribe again. I was happy to hear of you coming back to the platform, but I'm really irritated at your continuous and heavy leaning on Jung. Jung was- first and foremost, a nazi. As such, any ideas he may have had should be looked at through *that* lense, the lense of anti-semitism and fascism. Just because he had some* good ideas doesnt mean he should be constantly brought up. And I'm tired of having to tell yall this. Do Control and Alan Wake and Silent Hill borrow from Jungian Psychology? Yes, definitely. But that's not all they are inspired by, and I'm tired of you *only* talking about Jung, without talking about the government he helped serve. Sorry that you lost a fan. I'm glad you're doing well, and I'm happy you're back.
Jung implied that Hitler was the second coming of the Antichrist in his book Aion (Chapter 7). He was also giving psychological profiles on Hitler to the Allied forces... not something a Nazi would do. He also said that Hitler embodied the collective shadow of the German people... a pretty thorough condemnation. Also, given how often Jung cites Jewish texts in his works, and how he clearly favors the Jewish god-image (one that is an antimony of both light and darkness), I fail to see how he can be anti-semitic. Maybe you can explain to me something that I have missed, but based on everything I know about Jung, he doesn't seem to sympathize with totalitarianism, let alone the Nazis. BTW, I understand that I bring Jung up a lot, but the reason why I do is because he was a foundational thinker. If you understand the foundations that a piece of fiction rests on, you can understand its details. Finally, I'm not "back". I never said I was leaving. I just said I wouldn't be posting videos as regularly. I don't know when my next proper video will be after this. Hopefully my response to your comment will show that I am not ignoring things, or that I'm not curious.
@@maxderrat Jungian psychology was instrumental in Nazi politics and ideology. His fascination with European mythology and pseudo scientific ancestry was held in the same light by the nazis. He was accused of anti-semitism on multiple accounts, for good reason. He wrote, in 1934 in the Zentralblatt fur Psychotherapie, "The Aryan unconscious has a greater potential than the Jewish unconscious." Later in the same article he wrote, "The Jew, who is something of a nomad, has never yet created a cultural form of his own and as far as we can see never will." Claiming to use Jung a lot for the reason of "foundational thinking" is an interesting point. But so was Jung's friend Freud. Freud was an anti-semitic dickbag with mommy issues. The reason I bring Freud up is because he saw Jung as a protege or an heir to the "new" psychotherapy science. However, as Andrew Samuels argues, the highly anti-semitic remarks of Freud and Jung are foundational to their ways of thinking. It wasn't until the mid 1930's that Jung started to back off of Nazi rhetoric. But even this wasn't enough. When the Nazis came to power, Jung became the head of the international chapter of the General Medical Society for Psychotherapy, and whilst leading, he assumed full responsibility for the journal Zentralblatt fur Psychotherapie, which endorsed Nazi ideology and promoted the book Mein Kampf. He worked along side Matthias Gorring (sp?) cousin while there, as a consultant. While he *did* leave the paper in 1939, and did contribute the US intelligence on Hitler during the war, this does *not* clear him of any charges made against him. Jung used the classic excuse of "I can't be x-ist, I have x friend" when in 1948, he was interviewed and said, "It must be clear to anyone who has read any of my books that I have been a Nazi sympathizer or anti-semitic...", yet this is immediately disproved by the above points. In this interview he also said (paraphrasing here) "I have long-standing friendships with jews and I quote jewish books". Like. Come on dude In conclusion, Jung was probably an opportunist who used the Nazi power dynamics to his advantage to further the sciences. This is not to say he was 100% a Nazi, though it is difficult to take what Jung describes as "not anti-semitic" as such. You don't have to be a proponent of totalitarianism to take advantage of it, and the same goes for the Nazis. Gods know the US did. Nazi scientists got us to the moon, for gods' sakes. The Nazis gave us the Volkswagen, and got us to the moon. They were still shitheels who deserved to die. Jung, while not deserving of death, does not deserve to be cleansed of all sins. People white-wash Jung all the time, just as they do with Freud. This needs to stop. To comment on your other points: you did say you were taking a break. In a previous video of yours, I believe you said this. Regardless, that doesn't matter, and only exists to move the point away from the conversation at hand. When my original comment said that Jung was a nazi and that I was tired of explaining it, it could have been worded better, as that particular portion was not directed at you. It was more of a general "y'all".
The name “Jesse” also happens to mean “gift of God” and her [original] surname of “Faden” (German, translated to English) means “thread”. EDIT: Also, forgot to mention that Jesse’s brother Dylan’s name means (roughly) “born from the ocean” perhaps another tie-in to Wake’s “not a lake, but an ocean” concept.
I love your idea about Polaris, I had a very similar theory. My idea: Polaris and Hiss don't have a conscioussnes, they are like virus, they just seek for hosts. The thing Jessie speak with is born from Hedron's resonance effects on her mind. In the game, Darling explain that Hedron's resonance "shows things" and expands the mind of the host, giving them knowledge. But the conscious mind of Jessie can't accept this knowledge as her own (maybe becaeuse it's too much for a young girl), so she created a persona, Polaris, that knows everything the resonance has shown. I never used the word "Self", but it's basically the same thing: the perfect Jesse, the one who knows.
A brilliant and genius theory, I tend to agree. There are clues scattered throughout the game that head towards your theory. I love how Control never gives you a definite explanation, you must theorize and look deep into to find and answer that makes sense. Amazing video as always I was happy to receive the notification.
I absolutely roll my eyes when someone brings up that silly lunatic Jung, but only when applied to real-life. Fictional stories is a whole different matter; Fiction is the only where Jung's Archetypes are applicable and SHOULD be applied! Cause here's a fact about Jung's Archetypes; Not his. He lifted them from someone else's philosophies that are also NOT applicable to reality, but perfectly suited for fictional stories. Although I don't use them myself or might agree with it, I have no idea why your viewers would roll their eyes at you Archetyping correctly...
