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That's a great point

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Duncan is a teen, but yeah.

It's also implied that Finn got with hutress wizard in Fiona and Cake

Finn and Duncan also at least didn’t hijack their friend’s wedding to make it all about themsleves and their romantic problems. This shouldn’t even be a discussion.

Not just Rigby, but so did Muscle Man, Thomas and even Skips.

@@esteban8471 everybody that knows him calls it pulling a mordecai😂

​@@esteban8471when did skips fumble

@@jess-hc4xg I meant to say they all call it "pulling a Mordecai."

The problem is Finn's motivation for fucking up in the first place....felt forced as all hell and borderline nonsensical.

@@lProN00bl Exactly, Finn maybe a hormonal teenager but he is also a hero. Why in the hell would he intentionally let his Girlfriend attack Ice King and potentially get seriously hurt?

​@@vgngolley341He's a hhero, but he is a teen. Remember that he'd already ruined the sanctity of Wizard Battle just for a kiss from PB by this point. And Jake is great but his advice is very bad at times. It did feel out of nowhere, but it's not really out of character

@@mysticdigital5936 To be fair, he did do it to stop Ice King, who was cheating and Abrecadaniel went back on his word. Also, yeah, I don’t know why people solely blame Finn for this since Jake was the one who gave him the advice to do it

@@vgngolley341what’s even worse is the fact this was all destiny with the cosmic owl possibly breaking them up so Fp can accomplish her destiny and be flame queen and why Finn and fp don’t go together it sucks how writers have to do that to get them to break up a great couple

That shit was wild and rewatching the ep at muscle man's wedding is painful

I don’t get why people are using that as an argument against Mordecai when he himself doesn’t show that much maturity in the show

@@luigigx1172 That's the exact problem: Mordecai doesn't show much maturity. That IS the argument against Mordecai. Both Finn and Duncan were immature, but that's because they were TEENAGERS and are therefore meant to be immature (it does not excuse their relationship mistakes, but still). Meanwhile, Mordecai is an immature simp despite the fact that he is a grown-ass man in his 20's. He has zero excuse to be so stupid, especially when he has more experienced friends like Skips and Muscle Man trying to advise him.

@@mrreyes5004 but wasn't the whole point that Mordecai and Rigby are adults that still act like teens stuck in a dead end job with neater of them knowing what they want to do with their lives.

@@luigigx1172If that's the point (which I don't think it is), then the point is still the problem. Adults who act like teens are inherently dislikeable pricks. And again, I reckon that WASN'T the point considering that Rigby actually got his act together when it came to Eileen, and he earned a better rep with fans. Meanwhile, Mordecai deserves his bad reputation as "Simpecai" all these years later because he fumbled it that stupidly. Saying "it's the whole point" is both incorrect AND if it was correct then the point is still the problem.

And Finn at 17 at the end of the show was way more mature about his love life than Mordo ever was in his 20s. It was also implied that he’s been in a long term but chill relationship with Huntress Wizard too.

803 yearish but actual ages as a joke aside yeah.

I remember that episode that Mordecai got into a depressive slump after he thought Margaret was getting married and Benson told him he had no right to be sad bc he never made a concrete move until it was too late and yeah, he was right. Honestly I think Mordecai's attraction to Margaret was very shallow and unfortunately that also has to deal with Margaret's writing as well(In the early seasons all she was was the hot chick who was constantly unavailable at the worst time) Just wish Mordecai pulling a Mordecai in a wedding didn't shelf one of the best female characters in the show.

God that argument was so gross. I only watched like half of the show so I don't know everything that happens but Princess Bubblegum took advantage of Finn's crush on her constantly.

Why are you acting like rigby didn’t have that coming? Rigby terrible bruh is that really your friend?

Oh that makes a lot of sense actually

I still shipped Courtney and Duncan because in season one they just complimented each other so well

Ngl I kinda didn't like Courtney and she always came off as controlling. I also hated how Gwen was attacked in the show but not Duncan or Courtney

@@rainydays6675 In season one Courtney wasn’t as evil as she was in other seasons and I hated both Gwen and Duncan

@@HexMyEnemies I hate Courtney because she was always controlling. I do agree that she wasn't as controlling in season one but she was still annoying. Plus she did Scott dirty in season 5.

You simply cant top what he did at the wedding. Imagine doing that in real life LMAO......you would be cooked for eternity

Mordecai's mess is the reason I skipped parts of season 6. It was like he was developing backwards. The reintroduction of Margaret served no real purpose but to remove CJ. Who had better chemistry with the main group.

Agreed. The writers ruined Mordecai's relationship so hard that I refuse to watch the first 3 seasons of this show ever again

@@noobmasterruben5167 it’s not bad enough to where I don’t watch the season but I definitely don’t watch the love centered episodes as much

@nbabackcourtmedia i mean good 4 U. But Mordecai messing up both girls just made me done with this show becoz I would stay tuned for this show back in my high school days only for it to not end up with Mordecai and CJ and thats so disappointing

I thought Duncan is some kind of jerk at first, but he still has the heart of gold inside, even for a goth standard.

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​​@@fanaticalistic It sucks to have your comment getting stolen by some comment bot and claim it as their own just to get more attentions. Not only it's malicious to copy-paste comments, but it also devaluing the original OP like you. I hope the guy who stole your comment (@Reimbreiker_lychec9257) might delete it as soon as he got caught red handed.

we don't talk about the shipping drama BS from LOK IN THIS HOUSE. Bryke loves love triangles, they tried it once with Zutara vs Kataang, and they saw how the fandom reacted to that, and REALLY THOUGHT "yeah let's have THAT be the FOCUS of season 1 and have ROMANCE permeate the show." i hated the shipping war. It was so bad.

Real 😔

Considering how much the creators hate Zutara (I heard one of them mocked a child publicly over a Zutara fan art), I wouldn't be surprised if they made Korra x Mako toxic as a way to show Zutara fans the finger.

Not surprising

​@@valentinkambushev4968that's very💀

@@valentinkambushev4968 Where did you hear that?

@@coreyholt6145 I don't remember. Honestly, I don't know if it's true, and to be honest, I take the story with a grain of salt.

I think Modercai getting dunked on has become so commonplace that’s it’s just most people’s default go to take at this point. Yes romantic life was quite messy as everyone is quick to point out but to call him the king of simps is a bit much, considering Finn literally stole a piece of hair for PB and cried himself to sleep in front of a shrine dedicated to her. To me that’s more “simp” like behavior than anything Mordecai has ever done. And the him killing Rigsby thing…Multiple people killed Rigby and he had it coming. Rigby was a notorious asshole and I’m surprised more people don’t mention how awful he was in the earlier seasons.

​@@riotron1026yeah but finn was also like 12-14 and princess bubblegum was a full adult manipulating him. Mordicai was a full grown adult with a job who pays taxes

The microwave thing pales in comparison when you compare it to what past seasons Rigby used to do.

"He killed his best friend by pushing him off of a microwave." sounds very odd out of context.

@@riotron1026the reason why people don’t clown on Rigby’s behavior from earlier seasons is because Mordecai was only a inch from being as bad as him. Both of them early on did pretty bad things to each other, but only Rigby’s ever get brought up against him.

Nah it’s not dana. Kids cartoon rules were less strict back then meaning adult jokes can be added owlhouse is newer which means no,e of this but at the same time it’s her choice I’m pretty sure total drama is qualified bc it’s for more mature audiences

Owl house was already in thin ice because of the queerness in it. If they wrote relationship drama into it, chances were people would’ve begun to dislike the show. If the ratings even wavered just a tiny bit, it would’ve been canned way worse than it already was. That’s my 2¢ anyway

​@ImaginableImagiation That makes zero sense. If anything, things are more loose now, seeing as Dana was able to put queer couples/people actively in it while Korra had to wait until the end. It's definitely Dana's choice not to have relationship drama. If anything, I bet Disney would've lapped it up if there was drama. It's popular content, just look at Miraculous.

@@Ermmmuhh i mean TOH isnt exactly adult joke free, like when King made his speech about his dad and changing his last name to Clawthorne he made a pretty blatant masturbation joke (also Dana herself mentioned how she didnt like the relationship drama these kind of ships had so it was her that made sure Lumity was drama free for the most part)

@@Adamnunya wasn't on thin ice from its queerness, it got canceled cause TV ratings weren't doing that well despite it doing really well on all other platforms. Adding relationship drama wouldn't speed up that outcome as they were already fighting a losing battle with TV ratings despite their performance otherwise, theres a reason that when Disney realized how popular it actually was they proceeded to milk the final season for all they can get out of it

Hell, it could be argued that Rigby was a less emotionally responsible man that STILL tried to push him into doing the right thing. Rigby was even more negligent with his actions but even he knew that dating meant maturing. I'll even argue that Mordecai being so stupid with his emotions made Rigby mature faster in his emotions and purposely keep his relationship with Eileen a secret just so Mordecai wouldn't burn that relationship to the ground too. Rigbys worst traits, according to Eileen: being selfish, ignoring her choices, and hiding secrets. And in 1 season, Rigby fixes all of that. Mordecai never got over being weird and over thinking until the series end

He does? What's it called?

@@mangaanimefan3089pulling a mordecai

It's been over a decade, but I'm still pissed at what the writers did to Gwen and Trent. They were my favorite couple in TDI, and the writers had to go and mess it up.

This is who I was thinking of

Facts Gwen and Trent were so cute WHY MAKE TRENT CRAZY!?

​@@HexMyEnemiesI say blame the executives on CN and not the writers. It's clear that Duncan x Cortney, Gwen x Trent were meant to be together but since CN wanted Duncan x Gwen, they needed to find a reason to break up both parties.

@@Android-Twenty-One IKR!? LIKE WHYY

Pretty sure Duncan was like 18 or 19 in All stars if the timeline had been kept consistent.

​@@langadube9611yeah but Mordecai was 25 which is when the mind is fully developed

@@langadube9611 Yeah, but if you watched Total Drama you KNOW they give zero fucks about consistency

​@@TotalAnalyst2Mordecai is actually 23

I Honestly never paid that much attention to what Finn did whit Flame princess when i was much younger but looking back at whit all the other characters mention in this video.......😬 yeah

>I watched Korra's love triangle and I thought it was pointless! The problem was that it was a rather blatant/desperate attempt to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was Zutara, and it showed. Oh man did it show.

@@stryke-jn3kv I believe most of the story problems in Legend of Korra were the short seasons. The Last Airbender had twenty episode seasons, allowing the characters to grow closer to one another and develop as people first before relationships started to form. While Legend of Korra seasons had twelve episodes, meaning every relationship was rushed. Another thing is I don't believe Mako was a fumbler. His relationship with Asami was doomed to fail because of the writing on the wall. However, in season 2, he was forced to make a choice to support his girlfriend's decision to escalate the Civil War going on or prevent more lives from being wasted. I think Mako made the right call given all the information he had at the time.

It's not Rebound Island. I think you're thinking of DumpTown USA.

​@@ramondee2074yes, thank you!

Multiple times mind you. That said it's in character for Mordecai and he grew eventually. Mako never did .

@@tanandalynch9441 Mako just stopped trying after season 2 so he never fumbled again. Mordecai made the same mistakes multiple times before he learnt from them. I agree Mako's bad, but I'm still giving it to Mordecai.

@@viktorzahariev2485 Mordecai eventually grew and changed. Same can't be said for Mako who just didn't bother again.

I remember getting so angry at him during the Christmas party episode when he kissed Margaret in front of CJ and going “BRO WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?????”

@@philly_sports1558it was the high jacking of one his friend’s weddings is what made me take notes from Mordecai on not what to do in a relationship

Bro honestly he fumbled so hard im sure a referee cant even call that cause they are laughing too hard

the video mentioned this, and at best, the blame isn't solely Finn's

And she wasn't even named

​@@InevitableOption-ic2vxWhen did they say that?

Damn, I didn't even think about that... I was so young when the show came out 😅

It's not a fumble if she was never into him. Now, Bolin almost fumbled Opal but thank God he got it together before it was too late!

I honestly think it is just part of a bias in writing relationships in media in general, that Korra and Bolin worled too well as friends. I'm not talking real life, but in writing, if the two in a couple are "opposites attract" then you can play off that easier in interactions, showing hoth how they complement each other and how they differ. They showed Korra and Bolin having a similar sense of humor, sensibilities, being completely relaxed around each other, only difference is Bolin avoided conflict and Korra was stubborn. They could have played into that perhaps, but having Mako who would butt heads with her and counter her with his serious demeanor seemed like it would be better to write. Of course nothing is exact, you can argue other interpretations and this is just my experience. Feel free to disagree. Personally I would have liked Korra and Bolin too (Korra frustrated by her airbender training and equalists being met with Bolin who would always try to be positive and supportive, maybe even showing her force isn't always the answer and her helping him learn to stand up for himself)

Dont forget Bolin even becomes a world renown movie star.

True but she never liked him. Rejecting someone doesn’t rlly mean fumble but idk tho

Agreeable on Finn, and definitely Mordecai. Duncan while he wasn't a good partner, you could argue that Courtney and Gwen were debatably just as bad as partners. Courtney kinda bossed him around to much and tried to change him, and Gwen just flat out ignored him for Courtney. Overall, I agree that Mordecai sucked as a partner, but so did CJ and Margaret.

Yeah but what finn did is totally on brand for an immature kid his age, so I think calling it deplorable is a reach

I can defend Finn the Human since he's the youngest among all of them and was not taught about relationships while Mordecai's will they-wont they, not only made me hate him but also after seeing the ending made me NEVER see early seasons again

When did Bp do that you mean fp or flame princess right cause last I check finn was smooching her in the party in his hoe phase

​@@ThiccFurryBoi34i'm pretty sure he's talking about the episode when he sings the song "Gummed all up inside", same episode when Flame princess was first appeared

too bad his not the Ultimate Rizzler... hey that could work as a title in Danganronpa XD

​@@code122The best and worst part about this comment is that kind of ridiculous talent is on brand for Danganronpa.

Mordecai killed Rigby over jealousy and his fumbling! I don't know how you top that.

@@darianclark3980 this isn't about who's the worse person overall. This is strictly about who screwed up their romantic relationships the worst

@floricel_112 I'd still say Mordecai. He had the most chances compared to everyone on the list and still managed to choke every opportunity, especially being already in a relationship.

Telling her "hey we broke up" especially with his actual gf right there probably wouldn't have upset Korra too much. Korra still would've saved the world.

@@tanandalynch9441 not saying it was the correct decision but I see where he is coming from. All the main cast of team avatar have a pretty skewed view of the world or it’s people. That includes Mako. While he excels at street smarts and upholding the law, he sucks at actual relationships and even friendships tend to be tense. I don’t know how korra would’ve reacted. Imo she’d be devastated that she suddenly wasn’t with him anymore and couldn’t figure out why. Considering that their breakup was pretty explosive, I think that’s fair. Though I do wish he told her.

LoK in general is a TERRIBLY written series. There was so much potential and it was handled like piss. Korra especially sucked.

@@klutzmtg2310 i wouldn’t say that. I think it’s well written. Season 2 being poorly written is true. But to me, none of the other seasons/books are bad. I love them all, especially book 3. But agree to disagree on this. I’m sure you’ve heard the counter arguments and so have I. I think Korra is a underrated series with good writing. Only bad parts I acknowledge are the love nonsense, book 2 as a whole, some characters being underdeveloped, and maybe a few nitpicks on season 1.

@@tanandalynch9441I don’t wanna tell someone with direct contact with the likes of Yang-Chen and Kyoshi that we broke up right after her spiritual journey/destruction of my office. Yeah I would’ve treaded lightly too, or at least talked to Asami/Korra right after.

See at least with Duncan/Finn they were teens and you can argue that Duncan, like Finn and Mordecai, did grow and change. Mako never learned from it.

"Age is just a number, maturity is a choice" -Harry Styles

​@@kaffka9221Correction: Age is just experience. Maturity is a choice.

@@Hickory958 "You cannot deny a quote"

@@kaffka9221 Correction: You can not deny connotation.

Dude he was only egging her in the second one and come on she would most likely scold him for doing that if anything the letters are what broke her trust I would do with them not break up Also wait what second manipulation he only did it twice here well not counting the letters then one since the egging but the first was her decision also the episode has to be 10 minutes long atleast and they could easily have Finn make a cool apology thing to get her back or explain he was having a dream of something and didn’t know how to control it would you be more sincere to Finn he was tortured by a dream

Folks need to get off of Finn's ass. He was like 14 when that happened

@@damienthonk1506 a fumble is a fumble and he could've gotten Flame Princess killed just to get his rocks off

@@DJPrimeAmvs "A fumble is a fumble" girl comparing something a little ass boy did to these grown men who KNEW what they were doing is not the look 💀 Was it fucked up? Yeah but he wasn't being malicious and he was told to do that by his older brother because he literally thought it was an action of cosmic significance. Finn, the _child,_ was told to do that by a father figure who assumed that getting Flame Princess and Ice King to fight was, and I cannot stress this enough, the will of God. How is that even a little comparable to Mordecai's grown ass stopping a wedding to look like a tool??? Be so fr

@@DJPrimeAmvsblame Cosmic Owl, he’s the one that make Finn fumble

@damienthonk1506 Finn also knows how weird and funky Jake can get at times; he is as wise of a father figure to as chaotic as he can get. It wasn't OOC for early Finn to react the way he did during the saga either. It was absolutely a fumble a teen would make and implying Finn almost didn't get FP or IK killed in the interaction is dumb when that and the breaking of trust is what drove FP away. But what makes Finn better than Mordechai is the fact that he actually grew from it. Also the wedding wasn't stopped, Muscle Man and Carla still got married. It was just awkwardly halted for cringe. Mordechai himself is unresolved adolescent cringe. He should know better, but through the absurdity of Regular show, its dragged to the extreme and it makes sense that his cringe is labeled "A Mordechai".

True, but fumbling Gwuncan was also on Gwen as well if we want to be fair. Her focus was solely on Courtney the entire season, even when Duncan was trying to keep the relationship going, she only came to him when it was conevnient to her and she was more focused on trying to prove she was still worthy of being called a good person than actually keeping the guy she kept pining over in Season 3.

@@ordinarylittlebastard3248 Honestly I just blame all-stars. They fumbled everyone so hard in that season. I think the only character who benefitted was Scott, who turned to out to be pretty likable when not the villain.

What's worse is that the creator of the show intended that to happen too. Like we genuinely thought he wasn't going to be with Star after the blood moon curse was lifted, and suddenly they're a thing? I would've accepted him being with ponyhead or Tom over star by that point. S4 really was just bad all around, eclipsa was the only saving grace.

@@tanandalynch9441 Marco getting with Tom would've been revolutionary!

Marco fumbling Jackie after being in love with her for YEARS Sincerely blew my mind. Star VS really ruined all their ships

@@shinstantramen5169 On purpose too.

@@truthspeeker1 Was a better love story than Starco

Mordecai 100%, Mako's fumbling can be attributed more to the awful romantic rectangle that Korra had written in than his actions themselves to be honest.

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You stole half of another comment. Proud?

This bot steals this comment that belongs to @fangi8466. When will you ever learn not to copy-paste someone else's comments?

How did Marco fumble again, I know about the Jackie one, but who are the other two

@@devontaswirl7507 Heckapoo and Kelly. Like the former he actually developed a pretty long relationship with during his time in the Neverzone. The latter he related to the most in regards to their respective break-ups to partners they been pinning for. Like I get what the writers is going for in having Star and Marco as the end game given the Best Friend Turn Lovers trope, but honestly the two really are better off having a platonic relationship and Marco do have better chemistry with the other girls (and guy if we include Tom pushing the fumble to four now).

Yeah they weren't in a relationship though

This is a video about relationships specifically. PB and her nonsense can make up a good 3-4 hour long video by itself

This is the worst take on their relatioship I've ever heard.

@@benderreviewsgg7882 How? How have I misconstrued anything that happened that badly? Are you gonna say "it's just a cartoon, calm down"? I really hope not. For the record, I really hope I didn't imply that Duncan is a saint when he isn't. He clearly goads her at the start and tries to get her to rebel. He isn't exactly nice either. But there's nothing that he does that's abusive, while there's many, MANY examples of Courtney being abusive and controlling. So tell me. Why is this take the worst?

​@@Zoroarkarceus123 Duncan and Courtney's relatioship is very complex but still good, and was ruined by bad writing and network interferance. Real life reasons: Courtney and Duncan as a characters were literaly created to be a couple on a show! If network interferance didn't happened they would have stayed as a couple as show creators always wanted to do. Also yes it is a cartoon! A comedic cartoon at that. Where there's a lot of physical comedy and pain is played for laughs. All the characters on the show are supposed to exxagurated stereotypes of teenagers from mid 2000s. You seem to be taking their relatioship too literaly and at face value. And yeah, you kinda forgot to mention in original comment that Duncan is your typical high school bully with juvie record and not an angel by any means. As for abuse and manipulation what kind of abuse are we talking about? Courtney hits him in the balls 2 or 3 times throughout their relatioship, yes. But only when he aggravates her so much she can't take it anymore. He instigated her hitting him every time she did. Also he himself throughout season 2 states multiple times that he loves girls with a ton of attitude like Courtney. He is shown to be turned on when she acts and talks tough. In season 2 we see multiple times when Courtney and Duncan care for each other a lot. She comforts him when his pet spider dies. And Duncan looks out for Courtney and proposes to eliminate Leshawna from the show who is gunning for Courtney at that point. Her letter to him is very bad no doubt about it. But in her head it was a right move to fix their relatioship, she had good intentions but they were executed poorly. They are both 16 year old teens don't you forget. Teens do a lot of stupid shit. And yes she is bossy with him. And Duncan is not an angel at all. In season 3 when Duncan leaves the show it's shown how much Courtney misses him and even admits she made some mistakes in their relatioship. But when Duncan returns he imediately proceeds to cheat on Courtney with Gwen on international tv! If he wanted to, he could have straight up broken up with her, but he decied to cheat on her to see her suffer at that point and used Gwen to do it. When cheating is revealed he doesn't see the reaction he wanted out of Courtney, she didn't beg him to take her back, but rather beat him up which he deserved at this point. So he decides to stick with Gwen as backup option. Duncan then proceeds to help main villain Alejandro to manipulate and abuse emotionally broken Courtney till she is eliminated a few episodes later. When he sees her again in season 5 he once again doesn't get reaction he wanted out of her, she is fine without him, not sad and broken like he wanted to see her. That's when he realizes how badly he screwed up and he still has feeling for her. He spends the rest of the season wanting to get back together with Courtney which can be seen in his actions. That's the reason Gwen dumps him, she realizes Duncan still loves Courtney, and just doesn't care for Gwen herself. So yeah they both screwed up their part of relationship, I'd argue Duncan did more damage though. In the end he ends up in prison for blowing up Chris's mansion, whcih is such a sad and pathetic end for him as a character a he along with Courtney was flanderized by the writers so much...

@@benderreviewsgg7882 Cool, cool. Unfortunately you are mostly wrong. I'll start with the most egregious comment and go from there. Saying "it's just a cartoon, it's not meant to be realistic!" is the most harmful thing you can possibly say about a terrible dynamic in a show. Yes, it's fictional, but it's also something younger audiences will absorb and learn from. Heck, not even just younger audiences. People start to act like what they see when things get normalized. When you normalize abusive behavior, then that tells people that that's okay. Even for comedy, it shouldn't be done. It's the tv equivalent of those "marriage is terrible" boomer comics that depict old people as nothing but miserable sad sacks who hate their spouses. Dismissing it just because it's meant to be funny is dangerous because you can push that goalpost for anything. You can teach kids that acting like a brat will get you rewarded, you can teach teenagers that everything is black and white, and you can teach people that abuse is okay. All because a character is meant to be funny about it. Not even in an "instant karma" kinda way either! Next, I'll say this. Their TDI versions were made to be a couple. And that's fine! It was clear they had a good girl/bad guy dynamic. But it all started once Courtney got eliminated. From the episode about the losers onwards, Courtney pretty much abandons that good girl persona and becomes a spiteful and hateful brat. For solid reasoning, admittedly, but the point is she DOESN'T STOP. Duncan is an actual criminal, but never **once** does he threaten the lives of multiple people in a selfish ambition for money like Courtney did (twice, by the way). Duncan is a pig, a jerk, a sleaze, but even he has lines he wouldn't cross. Also, so much for being a loving girlfriend. Did I mention Duncan was part of the second group Courtney was willing to let die just for 1 million dollars? Because she didn't exclude him from that, by the way. And it's real cute that you summarize her abuse as just kicking him in the balls a few times when she not only was willing to let him die but also: force-fed him human feces in a diaper, wrote a 30 page list on everything he needed to change about himself to be datable, constantly yelled at him, and yes, kicked him in the balls. And that's not even mentioning how he can't even be FRIENDS with Gwen because she's just such a jealous harpy that his life suffers for it. And they're so on-again-off-again that it hurts. Courtney wants the perfect man but also wants someone to control. Boys, when your girl asks you to change literally everything about yourself and limits who you can even interact with, does she really love you? Or does she love the idea of taking someone bad and making them good? Because that's all we see. I get that producers wanted Gwen x Duncan in TDWT, I get that. Truly. But keep in mind that the reason he left in the first place was because of Courtney, and he was very clearly over her by this point. And he was indeed into Gwen. When Courtney found out, Duncan wasn't disappointed or some bullcrap like that. No, he was content with Gwen. And tbh, I'd be too! For literally viewing his life as less valuable than a million dollars, to manipulating him back into a relationship when he DID win the million (he made it clear that it was over between them and he wanted nothing to do with her, only for her to kiss him and have him agree, very disgusting behavior btw), controlling who he can and can't be friends with, I'd say that my take isn't only reasonable, it's the only way to view it. Yeah, Duncan got a pitiful end in All Stars. But it wasn't because he loved Courtney over Gwen. It was because he was mentally unwell and very much scared. Have you seen/heard the panic in his eyes and voice when he asks Gwen if Courtney saw them? Have you seen how panicked and afraid he is practically all season? Why do you think he even had image issues in All Stars in the first place? It's because someone gave him those image issues. An abusive, manipulative, psychopathic ex-girlfriend he clearly still has PTSD over. Courtney. I'll end by saying this. Duncan isn't a good person. He's a liar, a cheater, a manipulator, a sexist, and a bully. He hurt and damaged so many people in the show, especially Harold. But did he deserve to have his life threatened, to be force-fed actual dirty diapers, to stay up sleepless nights memorizing every little thing he needs changed about him, all from a woman who won't even let him be his own person? Duncan isn't a good guy. But that's no excuse to strip away his humanity like she has on countless occasions.

​@@Zoroarkarceus123 You are taking their relationship out of context and also take it too literally. All of it is exaggerated for comedy and drama, plus will-they-or-won't-they romances are always fun to watch. Total Drama was never meant as cartoon that gives real life leasson to kids, It's not Avatar the last airbender! It's comedic cartoon! People like you who take everything literaly, when it's not supposed to be, are what ruins discussions about animated shows like this.

For real.

Someone else Ben's stellar performance.

He wasn't obligate or they make made the things like he did. He is still responsible

I say luz definitely wins that contest. She deserves it!!

Rigby wasn't a Closer...

I would want to see that list and what the thoughts on the winner are!

@@oliviamcnally7030 my money is either on Rigby or Luz

Nah, it's Mordecai. Mordecai hijacked his friends wedding to turn it alllll about himself only to get dumped at the end. On too of that, he's older than everybody on the list.

"Another horse" Lmao

You know you've fumbled the bag when the girl would choose a guy who commits genocides for fun over you.

#RespectforYamcha

Also, his jury isn't over yet.

Words from the Ice King himself: _"You blew it man!"_

And he is the youngest out of all of them so he deserves some leniency and It was a one time event in comparison

At least he stayed on good terms with flame princess and remained good friends, Duncan on the other hand

What he did was super messed up but at the end of the day he was a dumb horny 14 year old following a wet dream. And at least he grew up, recognized what he did was awful, and genuinely apologized to FP to the point they became good friends again.

​@@philly_sports1558yeah. following a wet dream AND listening to Jake's advice, which was very often bad advice. Finn fucked up but he didn't really understand he was fucking up, unlike Mordecai or Mako

Tis me, Odysseus. I like All Stars.