Who Should Pay On A Date? (Live Caller Question On Radio!) 

Michelle Michael 😂😂😂😂

she just have alots of questions :3

Cackling Muse I think you nailed it. Either it's a first date, family, friend, co worker, etc. Offer to pay, be generous.

especially, . women do

The special treatment comes after the commitment ladies! appreciate your equality

Common sense not generosity

Yeah I don't why she didn't offer. Kind of weird that there are women our there that just don't think to "offer"

If she isn't offering to pay (or some kind of contribution) by the second date I will not pursue a third.

IceMan24 Preach, brother!

Cool Chicka You won't pay for yourself on dates because you are cheap and have a sense of entitlement. That's a turn off to many men. A man doesn't have to pay for your time. A man's time is just as valuable as a woman's time. Women with a princess mentality, like you, are vile. If you expect a man to constantly pay for you, then you would be nothing but dead weight in a relationship.

Cool Chicka Bullshit. I have 6 figures in my bank account, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to let women treat me like an ATM machine. It's about mutual respect and reciprocity. We have equality in the workplace. So, there is no reason for a man to have to constantly pay for dates. You are a grown woman. Pay your own way and stop being a leech.

Cool Chicka Lose her to other men? LOL Please. That means she just becomes another man's problem. Having to pay for everything, put up with her entitlement and other bullshit. MGTOW is growing because of entitled, narcissistic women like you.

Lmao at the double standards of cheapness

it is also sweet when he cooks instead of taking her to a restaurant

@@rohan9095 You don't get it do you?

@@megshimatsu8615 Exactly!

lol modern women don't even know how to cook. Women always complain about society's expectations on women to cook or clean, but most of them don't even know have to make toast without burning it. SMH. I can cook clean and taken care of myself. I literally don't know what modern women even bring to the table.

That’s funny because I experience different things with Dutch men. I have never paid a bill in my life even while dating a Dutch man. So I think most Dutch women are missing out on a lot. Stop spoiling your men.

@@Happymind-happyworld. I am happy for you that you have that experience. Enjoy your life Doreen. 💋

@@Happymind-happyworld. tf u mean stop spoiling ur men?? Pls tell me ur single coz noome deserves ur disgusting mentality 🤢🤢🤮🤮

So that's why it's called "going Dutch"

@@Happymind-happyworld. So true. I have that same experience. The sad thing is those same men who are all about the 50/50 complain about Dutch women not being “feminine” because of this culture pushing them into masculine energy. Says a lot.

Cherry Blossom Happiness wow what an immature response. You don't know the guy.

Lol are you still single?

The best decision you'll have ever made lad. I dated a woman like that. She was saying... I like the old-fashioned way where the man pays. She was so up herself as well lol.

She wants to be treated like a lady and has no consideration for how he wants to be treated. Not good partner material

So you kicked her to the curb, huh? Metaphorically, I hope? Congratulations to that lady for the lucky escape!

top comment. mind blown!

My thoughts exactly. High value men stay away from cheap broke women looking for free meals 😆

Yep - it is a huge irony that a woman who wants a free meal will call the guy "cheap" for suggesting she simply pay her fair share.

Interesting observation. I think it’s more an issue of why she should choose to date YOU over probably 30 other man who CAN and are WILLING to offer her what you cannot. That’s the thing.

@@swisschocolate95 Keep up the same energy when he would expect sex from you whenever he wants.

me too. i even pay for my friends from time to time because i know they just don't have as much money but i really want to share experiences with them. i think there is nothing wrong with the girl being the one who pays. really like the way you think of it as "team work"! :)

+snj prl: yeah but your friend should pay sometimes too. I had a friend who I was eating with where litterally 100% of the time I paid. I can understand paying for them and helping out but sometimes they could get their own food too. I had to dump her cause she had money and just didn't want to pay. She was living at home with her parents and paying no bills while I had an apartment with bills only working at walmart for a job. So she could've paid every once in a while.

+linkinaxiom You were raised right.

That's nice , i'll pay most of the time , but thats because i want to , not because its supossed to be a moral obligation only for men

You were raised properly. You’re a real woman!

Kudos on you for being mature and thinking for yourself. We need more women like you

Well, I think the person who invites the other person should pay. It's basic etiquette to me

I agree with you J. Francisco. There is a hot girl, I dated and and I picked her up from home and send her back home (quite far from my house), she told me that she wants man to pick up from her house if not no dating. I am okay, but so far 8 meetings, we hold hand she refuse to let me kiss, then most time I have been paying. On the last date, I got fed up and test her and shifted the bill towards her, she told me let’s go on Dutch. Seems like this hurt her financially, and on the way return home, she self realized she has not been paying and told me don’t need to pay for her share. Next day, she texts me let’s be friends or she wants a man who is chivalry if not she stay single. I walk away without replying her, because to me this is one sided and not team work.

Women spend A LOT of money on looking beautiful for you to date, otherwise we'd have half our heads shaved while our body is hairy, hair not blowdried, not styled (hair products are expensive), not highlighted, not wearing bras (they're expensive), not wearing nice clothes, nice shoes, not wearing skin products for our legs and face to be smooth and nice, not wearing perfume (which is also expensive), or makeup which is super super expensive. I think the women whio should pay half are the women who don't do any of these. Then they can pay half. But otherwise, she's already paid. Because it is fucking expensive to be a feminine woman. So unless you want to date a masculine woman, you should be paying for the date. I can definitely send you brownies or cake as a gift every now and then, have a nice gesture, but I'm not going to make it a custom between us to go half and half on dates. Because I'd be paying so much more with all the money that you don't see, but that I invest in looking the way you find me attractive.

@@lucia4836 And the high-caliber men women want to date are spending money on clothes, cologne, suits, and gym memberships to look good, so maybe you should pay for them. Also much of the money women spend on “looking good” is either on unnecessary shit men won’t notice or ask for, or on things they’ve already bought well before the date.

@@Trynottoblink lol I wasn't even talking about gym memberships which are more related to health anyway. But men don't buy suits for women, they do it for work. And then they can use the same attires from work for a date or for a wedding, makes no difference really... and of course they don't invest in makeup, hair treatments, nails, waxing and so on. It is super expensive.

Women always have lower average salary than men, less chance for job than men, and have to pay things like cosmetic, clothes more than men. So she doesn't need to pay. And if it's the guy who invites her to go date, he should pay.

Equality some say. Equal rights some say. But at the same time some expect to be treated like The Queen. Some i stress. Not all ladies take men for granted.

You have to keep in mind that the vast majority of today's women keep multiple profiles up on multiple dating sites, and use them as a platform onto which they use Men to fund their lifestyles through multiple dates, such as dinners and lunches out, entertainment, movies, concerts, sports events, weekends away, etc. They aren't really looking for a relationship at all. They are simply extracting financial resources from Men. To many women, this is a completely acceptable form of financial parasitism, because in the last 30 years women and feminists have made dating and marriage a 'caution' zone, if not a complete 'no go' zone for Men. And they know this. I understand what is going on and I have more pride and self worth to play that bullshit. What I have a problem with is the simping, pathetic, ankle grabbing Men who pander and supplicate to this, knowing they are being played.

burgerkinghorn I am a female and it wouldn't make me feel feminine if I have to pay to go on a date. I can not speak for every single woman, I can only speak for myself. If a man likes me and he is trying to court and impress me, he should be masculine enough to pay. I am contributing with my time and attention and possibly a future with the man. And plus it costs me money to get my hair done, makeup, dress, and shoes and gas money to drive to the location to meet the man. If I was asked to pay, that will be a turn off for me. I should have just stayed home and ordered take out food.

ManThatWalksThroughFire3000 a man is not less valuable than a woman. Women need men. We look up to guys who are providers and protectors.

burgerkinghorn if you are looking for a woman who doesn't mind splitting the bill or paying for a date, then look for a feminist. They do not mind taking the masculine/dominant role in the relationship. If you date who a woman like me who are into traditional roles, then we will expect u to pay on a date.

Cool Chika. What does feeling feminine have to do with not paying? What does being masculine have to do with paying? Do you not feel feminine when you vote, work, own property... etc? Doesn't the guy also have to dress up, drive a nice car, choose a location, reserve tables etc? What about his feelings? Do you think he feels good always having to do the asking out and paying? Also the guy his contributing his time, attention and possibly future. You are bringing nothing to the table he isn't. The point is that on a first date you should come together as equals. You should not be looking for someone to make you feel 'feminine' or special, that is for when you are actually in a relationship. It would just be much better if you admitted you are greedy and selfish than put up this facade of 'feeling feminine'... yuck.

Women always have lower average salary than men, less chance for job than men, and have to pay things like cosmetic, clothes more than men. So she doesn't need to pay. And if it's the guy who invites her to go date, he should pay.

And used as well...

@@adw6894 "Always" - souce: trust me bro Newsflash: men have to pay for clothes, cologne and other products as well. Just because you choose to spend more on it doesn't mean a guy owes you anything. We have plenty of other expenses as well that you don't. "And if the guy invites, he should pay" - that's a cheap copout because guys almost always have to ask the girl out because girls won't do it. You are not entitled to a guy paying for you just because you agreed to his invitation. When a friend invites me to hangout somewhere I don't expect him to pay for me because I'm not an entitled princess, I'm an adult and can pay for myself.

Your man is gonna take advantage of you.

@@ranip7644 More likely that the man will dump you since he may think you're a socially uncalibrated idiot

@@missionimpossible8857 he wont lose anything

Man start to take advantage of you and give You lees value, they Will never accept that but its the true

I do too, if he's bought me something like a lunch or a few drinks- I love to either buy him a coffee or something later on in the date 😆

I'm amused that they're called "dominated cucks," when it's usually the really "manly," "macho" types who insist on paying for a woman.

Marius Bogdan Rujoiu What he meant was, paying is being generous. Being generous feels good. Knowing that the person you're being generous to, appreciates you being generous, that feels good. If you're generous and your partner is taking advantage of it then yes, you can't enjoy that.

Well now i agree XD , its the "macho" types that always come to these videos defending them too , and worst of all is that they just look at the relationship side of it , not even their personal life , in the end they couldn't care less if women are paid less for the same job or not , they just do that to get the girl because it makes them feel good about themselves.

Marius Bogdan Rujoiu He probably gets enjoyment from paying because he's so rich that it doesn't even matter.

If you are in a balance relationship you end up enjoying, because you are able to use your own hard work money to make the one you like/love happy. My bf and I take turns paying not as in yesterday was me now it's you, but in a sense of I'm treating you (like he said) to this.

Wise words. I have only been interested in intelligent women in my life and all of them i talked to said that they would definetly pay for themselves from beggining. You are one of them and u are awesome. Altho in bday party i heard some "easier" gurls discussing how to extort guys for free lunch. I promised myself to never date girls like that

You are the minority.

You are wife material

OutThere2017 I have no problem with women that want traditional gender roles and want to be cared for. As long as she has no problem with the man wanting her to be in her traditional gender roles. This includes thing cooking for the man, not nagging and only speak when spoken too, giving up the pussy often and looking after the kids. Things along that line.

OutThere2017 OutThere2017 Okay.. aslong as you admit that you being a supporter of that movement would be hypocritical and I hope you understand that you just admitted women are useless as they don’t have to pay for anything and don’t give me that women have to carry the baby for 9 months either, it’s biologically impossible for a man to do so and men undertake much more gruelling activities such as being drafted and fighting for wars, working their ass off to provide and being the protector etc. Women want authority without responsibility men have responsibility without authority (obviously due to laws and the feminist movement). Also as soon as the marriage/divorce laws change to be atleast even a lot of informed men will always disagree with your position.

It's this double standard bs that's been impregnated into everyone's minds. People like to be a sheep following the herd because it's easy to not think about your own values and ethics and go against the masses. Even if that would have been the more logical choice. It's like they do what we other people expect them to do instead of doing what they would like to do.

@@laurag8126 oh my days i hate this argument🙄 how do u compare ur personal hygiene and make it a man's responsibility? that's something u do for urself and it benefits u u talk like men don't take care of themselves u can just say i'm selfish and feel more valuable than the man so he has to pay for me,and i would respect that more than this pathetic excuse of urs

+Nicole E: He gives very good advice too. Most of the time I don't need the advice because I'm in a good, committed relationship but I just like to listen to what he has to say cause it's usually very insightful and right on point. I like to learn new things when it comes to dating and relationships.

You sound young and broke

@@user-wb1vm9ex4k ah shaming language the one thing feminists and traditionalists have in common

@@user-wb1vm9ex4k yeahh ... typical Phrase "who hurt you?" ... "you are broke ..." it sounds like "shut up and just pay the bill for women who will never give anything in return."

MrSmithie25 I hope you put this much energy into making more money. I can strongly feel that’s not the case though

@@user-wb1vm9ex4k money is not everything. I have my own idea of living. No one has to do the same.

If a man likes me and he is trying to court and impress me, he should be masculine enough to pay. I am contributing with my time and attention and possibly a future with the man. And plus it costs me money to get my hair done, makeup, dress, and shoes and gas money to drive to the location to meet the man. If I was asked to pay, that will be a turn off for me. I should have just stayed home and ordered take out food.

Grubbs Grady I couldn’t agree more, mate!

we pay for other things :) have you ever heard of feminine hygiene? yeah, let's see if you'll ever date someone with a stank pussy, hairy body, ungroomed hair, dirty nails, nasty lingerie etc. y'all use a soap bar to wash your hair & butt crack. then you complain about us not paying on dates, money goes into others things you don't have to take care of. sit down.

Facts asf

@@samia6528 what the fuck are you talking about lmao

@@samia6528 So you only dress nice for men? And you expect the guy to show up disgusting because "he pays for the date"? No, you also expect the guy to dress as nice as possible. Even if the guy gives as much effort and money as women do, you'd still expect the guy to pay. Don't say that women working on their appearance is men's responsibility. Because we can't even tell the difference between a $30 dress and a $300 dress.

Carol maybe its just me..but i have the feeling women nowdays think that man who pays for them and taking care of them is boring man

@@annaborbon5425 nope thats how it is man tried it and found themself unappreciated and stomped wgile i never went with that attityde and thank god i never failed in realationships and it went well asking a woman what she thinks about it is pointless because u urself dont know how ur brain works 😂

Chris Sinclair You’d be surprised....

It's not about money, it's about gender roles. That gets to be very complicated. I can't tell you how many times I've heard woman calling another man a "deadbeat" because he stayed home and raised the kids while his wife worked. We say we're ok with equality but gender roles are a different story.

She's an idiot

Probably attractive enough to rarely have to consider her behaviour.

Because she's a women

If a man likes me and he is trying to court and impress me, he should be masculine enough to pay. I am contributing with my time and attention and possibly a future with the man. And plus it costs me money to get my hair done, makeup, dress, and shoes and gas money to drive to the location to meet the man. If I was asked to pay, that will be a turn off for me. I should have just stayed home and ordered take out food.

@@adw6894 So your mindset going into the date is that your time is worth more than his time? He should pay to spend time with you? Wow.. good luck to the person who ends up with you.

@@adw6894 Narcissism at its best. I hope no man wastes his time on you.

There has to be a difference for a woman to go out with a man that is interested in her then her going out with gay men. You go dutch with gay men or your girlfriends. That doesnt mean that women should only go out with men so they will be treated but to feel like a cared for woman and that the man is manly enough to want to take the lead and provide. It creates the male/female dynamic which creates chemistry

@@yasminevine “There _has_ to be a difference for a woman to go out with a man that is interested in her then her going out with gay men.” By that, I take it that we should _make_ it that way, that it doesn’t have to come naturally, that we have to play it that way. I don’t believe that caring for a women specifically _financially_ is the _only_ way to care for her, any more than a woman caring for a man in any specific way. I believe that caring goes far beyond that but it might also include that. What you seem to suggest is not that I would financially provide per se - which I would do anyway to the best of my ability - but I would (need to) be the *_only_* provider, that I would say to her that she doesn’t need to make _any_ financial provision at all, or at least less than the financial provision that I would make. It's September 2022, I work as a draughtsperson in telecoms for a living and it’s a good job actually, I started on January 2022 and my annual salary in my new job has risen £10k/annum compared with my last job. See what you think of this. As on 17-01-2022 in the UK, if she and I were to buy, say, a 4-bedroomed property - which would have both our names on the mortgage deed by the way - in the city that I live in, my annual salary would amount to 55% of the earnings that are needed to get that mortgage. So okay, for a 3-bedroomed property, my annual salary brings that up to 74% of the total. Okay, if I simply flash my bank card to the waiter in the restaurant in aid that I pay for the lot, so that my date can _just feel better_ that I can supposedly provide financially _and totally,_ that wouldn’t match the practicality and reality of the financial situation of 17-01-2022 would it? Moreover, I would be lying to her. Don't do you then suppose that any woman in my life might also like to fill that 45% and 26% respectively in alignment with the actuality that I find with obtaining mortgages for that ‘secure domestic paradise’ that she might crave for? Or would I _still_ need to provide that difference myself despite starting my new job last January? Any suggestions where she and I can make this happen would be very much welcomed. 😊

@@yasminevine yes friendship and dating are two different things but they are both relationships. I want you to really imagine your friend let’s say your top 3 if you asked them out and they all told you “I’m not paying for this outing you asked. I’m not gonna waste my time I could have been in bed.” If they said that to you how would you feel? If you had a son he’s 25 you helped him thru college etc solid young man. If he’s on his 4th date with a girl and he paid for the first 3 100% as a gentleman then he lets her know in advance of the 4th date “hey let’s go Dutch this date I’ll even come pick you up in my car and drive us there.” And if she tells him “what?! I’m not paying for no date with no man. You either pay for the date or I’m not going. You a clown if you think I’m gonna pay for my own food.” What would you tell him to do. I’m asking in all seriousness I appreciate your feedback I respect you as a woman. I’m not a woman basher lol I got a mom sister etc I’m 25 years old too.

​@@ceeb107 It's now 6 months hence, and she has not answered either of our questions. I am not surprised.

@@laurag8126 I don’t ever expect a woman to do _anything_ on a first date, even to glam up. She can if she wants to and if she feels right about that, but I don’t expect it. I don’t live by expectation so I wouldn’t ask my date to do something that I wouldn’t. I know that it’s thoughtful to be presentable, but only in what is that person in terms of who they are. I never regard anything as a separate topic when it comes to relationships: everything is all in. So as you mentioned, women (in general perhaps) don’t ask men out on a date. What results there then is that women (though not all perhaps) wouldn’t pay on a first date no matter who asked who out, the idea being that on the first date there is only one person paying, not two. It’s interesting that, in relationships, some people love the idea that there is only _one_ person doing something, and that, every time. I don’t by that, and I have actively not bought it in all my years. To ‘offer’ and no further seems nothing more than a game that is being played, and I choose not to be a game player. If I did ask anyone out, yes, there is no reason why I wouldn’t then offer to pay, and then carry that out, provided that there is choice in _every_ circumstance. I am reasonably generous with most things, even with money as much as I can realistically afford. I am a gentleman and I am chivalrous ... to a point: I can help someone cross the road, or drive someone home to safety, but not to ‘promise her the whole world’ because I should. For me, it’s not actually the money being spent: whether it’s a meal out for two in a romantic Italian restaurant, or two coffees in a café, it’s the notion that I feel, that in paying out, I must _prove_ to my date that I can ‘deliver her the complete universe’! In reality, I can deliver what I can provided that I am not the only one delivering, reasonably. My intentions are good, honest, and above all, authentic. On dates (if you wish to call them that), I am not selling anything, I am offering ‘me’. I am looking for someone with whom we can be compatible, not to ‘promise her the complete universe’. I view how I love someone with my authentic heart by choice and not as a pre-designated job position with prescribed behaviours. A lot of women would quite simply call my text here as a ‘red flag’. That’s okay by me, since I much prefer to live singly and wait for the authentic woman of _our_ compatibility than to play cultural games, even if (as some say) I never get one: if I wanted to be an actor, I would try my luck in Hollywood or similar. My being _is_ my doing. I am a sigma male (so I discover): I don’t support hierarchy in relationships, nor do I want them for myself. It would be good if Matthew reads this, but there is nothing lost for me if he didn’t. 😊

PJDesseyn1 let me ask you in a polite manner. If you’re living in a situation where you’re barely even able to pay for your daily necessities. Do you think it would be a great idea to get married? And have kids? And now with both of you working, you’d have money. But who’s gonna take care of the kids? A nanny. But, is it worth it to give them a financially stable life but not give them the attention and supervision they need to become a person with moral values in the future? Well maybe for you it does (I don’t mind actually) , but for me it doesn’t because a person with no moral values won’t be respected in the future and will have many enemies. Plus I came from a long generation of hunters who lived in the jungle [yes, there’s literally no internet nor electricity] until my father got a scholarship to study in a university in the city. He usually brings me and my family back to my grandparent’s house so I do have a some skills on how to live in the jungle so I don’t really mind poverty. My dad too wasn’t a middle class person when he married my mom so it’s not like I’ve never been there. I live in a third world country. yes I can cook, sew, plant, and kill (by that I meant live animals like chicken [except those that are big like cows, bulls, etc] not humans) Sorry for it being very long. I wanted to express my thoughts while not starting a fight :T you may also express your thoughts, I’d like to understand why many people think as you do.

PJDesseyn1 ahh, I see. True that the attitude of the parents and society plays a big role. Its probably why I think the way I do. Also even if the roles were reversed I don’t think its not fair considering that they still support each other but in a way different from the norm. Thanks for sharing your thoughts though.

You have gotten your terminology mixed up. The men that go around showering a woman with money and gifts is the beta. He's commonly known as the "beta male provider", look it up. Alpha males are dating multiple hotties without ever spending a penny on them. These men stay far away from cheap broke women with no money.

I wouldn’t ever expect them to pay, just split, it’s simple.

and get friendzoned?

That’s the best way I’ve heard it explained. Imaging your 3 best friends telling you hey if you don’t pay for the outing we not going and we don’t wanna be your friend anymore? You remember the title of that video by chance?

@@ceeb107 No I do not, but I am sure you will find it.

Lmao he’d die alone my guy

But were you obligated to ask her lol? Don’t ask someone out if you’re not willing to pay

LE 88 dont add anything to a relationship then expect it to work out

Why?

Man doesnt have blood period, doesnt get pregnant, doesnt suffer during childbirth that's way man should spoil woman, and also they are naturally taller and stronger than woman

Marry me!

Because they aren’t desperate 😴

Each one pays what they eat. That's better.

If each pay their own way that removes any complaints about who should pay and also removes the unspoken expectation of sex afterward. Pay your own way and you're obligated to no one

Some girls just like free shit.😐

Women spend A LOT of money on looking beautiful for you to date, otherwise we'd have half our heads shaved while our body is hairy, hair not blowdried, not styled (hair products are expensive), not highlighted, not wearing bras (they're expensive), not wearing nice clothes, nice shoes, not wearing skin products for our legs and face to be smooth and nice, not wearing perfume (which is also expensive), or makeup which is super super expensive. I think the women whio should pay half are the women who don't do any of these. Then they can pay half. But otherwise, she's already paid. Because it is fucking expensive to be a feminine woman. So unless you want to date a masculine woman, you should be paying for the date. I can definitely send you brownies or cake as a gift every now and then, have a nice gesture, but I'm not going to make it a custom between us to go half and half on dates. Because I'd be paying so much more with all the money that you don't see, but that I invest in looking the way you find me attractive.

@@lucia4836 Please explain why women go through the same process when going to work then? As in they wear makeup, nice clothes, do their hair, their nails, wear skin products etc. Are they going to work to date everyone there? No. They're not. Don't shift the blame on to men. Women don't "look good" simply to attract men, women who spend inordinate amounts of money to look good is by virtue of their fragile egos. My fiance barely wears any makeup and still looks amazing. She is usually ready for a dinner date before I am. If YOU are high maintenance then that's on you, no one else. But thanks for being the epitome of what is wrong with a lot of women these days; always looking for someone else to blame their stupidity on. If you don't look good without spending thousands of dollars then I'm sorry, but you're not attractive. I know plenty of women who look amazing without any makeup at all, you're just not one of them. Your problem, not men's. Succinct enough, or do I need to elucidate further?

@@----.__ what's your point? the whole reason we do all of that is because it is expected from us. Because we are feminine women. We were raised that way. So in a way we still fit that role and thus we go out with men who fit theirs. Again, the women who don't want to fit that role will look for men who don't fit theirs either because they are against roles. So these might be women who want to dominate the man and who don't have respect for him, and who will also dress as a guy and act like a guy. You have to differenciate between women and realise you can't have a feminine woman and then expect her to pay for the date. Because these aspects come together and they come from home. Usually a woman with good male figures in her family, who taught her these values, will not accept what you're saying.

@@lucia4836 What's my point? _"Women spend A LOT of money on looking beautiful for you to date"_ Utter trash. Women spend money on looking beautiful because THEY want to look more beautiful than the next woman. It has nothing to do with men, and everything to do with competing against other females. Blame yourself before you blame men for all your problems lmao. Nothing is "expected" of you, I've dated women who spend an inordinate amount of money and time in their appearance and I've dated others who needed very little, if at all, and they were all extremely beautiful. Smart women understand they don't need makeup to look beautiful if they are naturally beautiful. Some of the hollywood stars look like trailer park trash without makeup, I'm guessing you fall in that group with your disproportionate replies! You know why advertising works on women? Because your egos are so fragile you buy in to the BS. This isn't some backwards opinion as you'll no doubt try to frame it, it's been factually proven time and time again. Advertisers specifically prey upon women's fragile egos, the fact they can show you a standard of beauty and you'll naturally flock to it spending money like water to achieve it. Know who runs most of the women's magazines? Women's marketing? Women do lol _"Usually a woman with good male figures in her family, who taught her these values, will not accept what you're saying."_ What tripe! So you're saying a "good male figure" encourages their daughters to waste massive amounts of money on makeup etc. instead of focusing on qualities that count? Like personality? Intelligence? Self respect? I can see you come from a family that has none of these. Most beautiful women only dress to the nines when they're going out for a special occasion but then the men do too, suits aren't cheap, luxury cars aren't cheap, nothing is cheap in either realm. The rest of the time (attractive) women put in similar effort to what men do to look presentable. It never ceases to amaze me when below average looking people like you try to justify and then blame men because your own self worth is so low! You still haven't answered why women spend so much time and money for their work appearance. Nothing is "expected" of them beside being dressed in presentable clothes and having a clean appearance. Men are subject to the same standards and our professional attire is just as expensive. You should stop dating plumbers, you'll have a better understanding of the world.

@@----.__ from what you say, I get that you should be dating women who don't put money or energy in looking feminine then. So go date those masculine women. But don't complain when you ask a girl out and she is feminine yet you want her to pay. And by the way, even if we do invest everyday in looking good, I do wear my most expensive makeup and perfume and lotions for my date. I even get my nails done. Many girls do.

What I have a problem with, as a Man in his 50's, and look back into the 1970's and 1980's, is when women back then were in their 20's and were bashing Men ENDLESSLY (and still do today), and making very vocal and blatant proclamations about not needing a Man, and they could go it alone without them, Thank You Very Much. Those women are now in their 40's and 50's, and I can assure you that those are THEE most toxic women out there today, especially if they are separated or divorced. Here we are today, and women are now realizing that they CAN'T very well 'go it alone', and that (unless a woman is financially independent or wealthy) a Man's labour and financial resources lift MOST women out of a life of 9 to 5 drudgery, add to their comfort, and adds enormous security to their lives. The problem with today's women is that they EXPECT a Man to do everything, pay for everything, and essentially be her servant without her having to contribute ANYTHING whatsoever to the relationship. One of the underpinning reasons for the Rise of MGTOW is this numbing and stark female hypocrisy, and Men's refusal to deal with it anymore.

why would a man ask a woman out to dinner then expect her to pay.

why would a man ask a woman out to dinner then expect her to pay.

why would a man ask a woman out to dinner then expect her to pay.

John Hooper says the man who literally came from a woman. Take several seats hun 😂

Are you two still together?

Malacki 655 you should impress her with your looks and personality, not money. Think from the market perspective, this is your value, also you must think what she can offer for you in order to impress you.

Because, what you get is not determined by what you want, it is determined by who you are.

Also, he's a rump wrangler.

Women spend A LOT of money on looking beautiful for you to date, otherwise we'd have half our heads shaved while our body is hairy, hair not blowdried, not styled (hair products are expensive), not highlighted, not wearing bras (they're expensive), not wearing nice clothes, nice shoes, not wearing skin products for our legs and face to be smooth and nice, not wearing perfume (which is also expensive), or makeup which is super super expensive. I think the women whio should pay half are the women who don't do any of these. Then they can pay half. But otherwise, she's already paid. Because it is fucking expensive to be a feminine woman. So unless you want to date a masculine woman, you should be paying for the date. I can definitely send you brownies or cake as a gift every now and then, have a nice gesture, but I'm not going to make it a custom between us to go half and half on dates. Because I'd be paying so much more with all the money that you don't see, but that I invest in looking the way you find me attractive.

@@lucia4836 no, they do all this for intra-sex competition and when you ask them they tell they d it for themselves.

@@willythebluebear I can say I like to look pretty for me, but it is undeniable that attracting the opposite sex is a huge part of that, even for women who compete. After all, they compete for male attention. Those who are straight, I mean. If you can't see this, you don't really know women at all. It doesn't mean I'm consciously thinking about pleasing men when I get ready, but I do it because I feel good when I know no one can deny my beauty in society's standards because I take care of my skin, hair, body, nails, body hair, smell, dental care, makeup and so on. I could of course not do any of that but I'd really not feel feminine, and thus I wouldn't feel as attractive, and thus I wouldn't feel empowered. Because to me as a feminine women, my femininity gives me power, just as men feel powerful through their manhood and masculine traits. Women who think this is toxic are usually toxic women themselves, who hate men, and ironically act like one. Maybe you should be dating that kind of woman, as I'm sure they wouldn't mind paying for the date. On the contrary, they'll beg you to let them do it. And then you can go home to make love to their hairy armpits.

Yeah I wouldn't trust someone who had 3 marriages to give out advice on love lol

No one should ever listen to Steve Harvey unless he's telling a joke.

Roles seem to no longer exist. Women are expected to strive to be equal to a man, while doing the majority of cooking/cleaning/child caring/and contributing financially. Jordan Peterson is better at explaining how people have lost the plot. ;)

It is a radio show , and that's the whole show ...

Ghada M I see, thanks.

Faizah Hussein: you are most welcome :)

They don't have manners. They're trashy and entitled.

Women spend A LOT of money on looking beautiful for you to date, otherwise we'd have half our heads shaved while our body is hairy, hair not blowdried, not styled (hair products are expensive), not highlighted, not wearing bras (they're expensive), not wearing nice clothes, nice shoes, not wearing skin products for our legs and face to be smooth and nice, not wearing perfume (which is also expensive), or makeup which is super super expensive. I think the women whio should pay half are the women who don't do any of these. Then they can pay half. But otherwise, she's already paid. Because it is fucking expensive to be a feminine woman. So unless you want to date a masculine woman, you should be paying for the date. I can definitely send you brownies or cake as a gift every now and then, have a nice gesture, but I'm not going to make it a custom between us to go half and half on dates. Because I'd be paying so much more with all the money that you don't see, but that I invest in looking the way you find me attractive.

@@lucia4836 absolutly bs. No one force you to wear what you think attract other persons. No one force you to look like a barbie. And guys do the same and still have to pay ... what about paying him the gym membership ? I could spend the money in table dance bars for women who dressed up, but on a date, i expect the woman to split the bills, because i do not pay a hooker.

If a man likes me and he is trying to court and impress me, he should be masculine enough to pay. I am contributing with my time and attention and possibly a future with the man. And plus it costs me money to get my hair done, makeup, dress, and shoes and gas money to drive to the location to meet the man. If I was asked to pay, that will be a turn off for me. I should have just stayed home and ordered take out food.

@@lucia4836 I swear you just copy and paste this everywhere. By the way, no one forces you to wear all that fake stuff, men would prefer to see your natural look.

Women spend A LOT of money on looking beautiful for you to date, otherwise we'd have half our heads shaved while our body is hairy, hair not blowdried, not styled (hair products are expensive), not highlighted, not wearing bras (they're expensive), not wearing nice clothes, nice shoes, not wearing skin products for our legs and face to be smooth and nice, not wearing perfume (which is also expensive), or makeup which is super super expensive. I think the women whio should pay half are the women who don't do any of these. Then they can pay half. But otherwise, she's already paid. Because it is fucking expensive to be a feminine woman. So unless you want to date a masculine woman, you should be paying for the date. I can definitely send you brownies or cake as a gift every now and then, have a nice gesture, but I'm not going to make it a custom between us to go half and half on dates. Because I'd be paying so much more with all the money that you don't see, but that I invest in looking the way you find me attractive.

@@lucia4836 you’ve pasted it here too 🙄

@@tell6969 your point being? I only pasted it on the same video.

Men have more value in a relationship than just money

@@arh1234 Nobody said it was just money.

Why assume everyone wants kids?

@@CosminDuru True, some want sugar babies.

I make plenty of money, more than enough to pay for a woman’s dinner several times over. And I still don’t pay. I value being a provider, and I’m more than capable of being one to the woman I love. But on a first date, I don’t know you. We’re not together. You haven’t proven yourself worthy of being provided for.

Nice Story, a good advantage is that you are not living with her yet thats something good because you have your own stuff as she does, why would you pay for something you dont eat that actually she does or if you are allergic to something and she isnt why would you buy for her. It doesnt make sense at all. The grocery store is different than a date. A date is whenever you are investing your time but depending on whos initiative have, I mean if you have the initiative ok fine, you have to invest in her but if she has that initiative she has to also invest in you proportionally because she cares about that moment not about what you can offer. Congrats man you self respect

"A date is whenever you are investing your time but depending on whos initiative have, I mean if you have the initiative ok fine, you have to invest in her but if she has that initiative *she has to also invest in you proportionally because she cares about that moment not about what you can offer."* I mentioned a date being a shared experience. I hadn't quite conceptualized it like the way you put it, but it's certainly a useful distinction that allows for a bit more of a nuanced perspective. Thank you for that and the kind words

Guys if this is you run far and fast from that woman she is just going to financially drain and leave you.

@@123bathinapes dude run ,she clearly is using u .she wants the benefits of traditional women while getting to call herself independent? No way .

dude how is it so far? please tell me u left her

You take them on the wrong kinds of dates? (expensive, easy ones)

Women always have lower average salary than men, less chance for job than men, and have to pay things like cosmetic, clothes more than men. So she doesn't need to pay. And if it's the guy who invites her to go date, he should pay.

I like when the guy takes the check without even giving me the chance to offer, that's the type of guy. I try to read signs, the guy who wants to split will always let the check visible to you or look at you before giving the card/money. So, I offer when I notice that, but also...first date? the guy loses my respect.

@@ilmaux y'all are incredible

@@adw6894 oh my days i hate this argument🙄 how do u compare ur personal hygiene and make it a man's responsibility? that's something u do for urself and it benefits u u talk like men don't take care of themselves u can just say i'm selfish and feel more valuable than the man so he has to pay for me,and i would respect that more than this pathetic excuse of urs and if u have a low salary maybe try to live and date within ur means

Women always have lower average salary than men, less chance for job than men, and have to pay things like cosmetic, clothes more than men. So she doesn't need to pay. And if it's the guy who invites her to go date, he should pay.

women nowaday still makes less money than men, many company don't like to hire women because women can have pregnant in the future, it't affect their job .

They do that on purpose to screen guys out, that won't pay for all her stuff. Some women expect men to pay for everything. Count yourself lucky. Good quality women that are interested in you, will meet with you on cheaper dates, like the park, coffee, cheap noodle bar. If it's like a fancy high class restaurant, then they are screening to see if you have money. You see some guys fall for this and pay for everything. Some of these guys are rich, good looking and willing to spend money. This is why they are, the way they are. There is a reason why 50 shades of grey and crazy rich asian is popular.

as i guy, i say whoa, you should re-think this. if he always wants you to pay, that puts into question if he sees you as the earner, and he is the spender. It would work a bit the other way as well. if a girl never offered to pay, I'd wonder if she expected me to pay for everything all the time, and that she saw her role as spending, mine as earning. Love is both people sacrificing for each other, maybe not in the exact same ways, or at the exact same time, but yeah, you get my meaning.

yeah... at this moment we aren't together anymore.. so I guess I have myself to treat a nice dinner. Anyway Thanks so much.. appreciated.

@@yumnburger You' were paying for it anyway so that hasn't changed. Just that you don't have to interact with deadweight

and when i say rely i dont mean just that once but then like everytime.

It's not hard for waiters. You can ask for separate checks (I do that frequently for friends) but that seems rather impersonal. You can both hand your credit cards and split it that way. It is tricky these days with social etiquette and shifting gender roles. If a guy insists on paying for the entire *first* date you should let him, especially if he is the first one to ask out/initiate date. On the second and onward you should be offering to split or take turns.

So don't pay simple as that

Sean M watch video on RU-vid - "dating women made me understand men" by Anna Akana, she is bisexual but encountered the situation where she was invited by a woman, but that woman expected her to pay.

Paulie O' why not just ask him this question?

I think a man should pay most of the time, but it's nice to have a girl say I will get this one. I remember I was dating this girl I really like d , she went to the bathroom on the way back she stopped at the bar , I thought she was going to pay for the drink s , it made me feel good, only to find out she had not payed, she was just asking a name of a cocktail.

Your a simp and a disgrace to real men everywhere