Who Was the More IMPORTANT Sidekick to their SUPERSTAR? 

Dirk changed the game. He was a better PF than Wade was a SG, when the PF position was deep, whereas the SG position was weak.

@@remnant8898 wide is the third best 2 gaurd ever. Dirk might not be top 5 power forward ever

@@zachspath494 #1 the 2 guard position is the weakest historically. #2 he's not the third best. He's not better than Jerry West. #3: Even if you don't consider Dirk top 5 PF, he still clears Wade on the all time list. He's done much more with less, and changed the game to a degree.

@@remnant8898 I'm a dallas fan I love dirk but he does not just clear wade like your saying both are in that top 40 to 30 range of player dirk was a horrible defender for most of his career while wade was a great defender and both averaged around the same amount of points per game in thier primes while wade was a way better passer. Dirk is great but wade is probably a little higher on all time lists because he won more and was all around a better player but both are around the same place on all time lists

@@zachspath494 Dirk may have been a bad defender, but the reality is, is that he took his teams further with less help and played in a superior conference for his entire career. Sure, Wade won a chip, but he had Shaq that year who dominated when he came back from injury up until the Finals. That 2011 chip clears any chip that Wade won with his super squad, he had more accolades, all NBA's with the PF position being one of the deepest positions during his time, was better in the playoffs, was a better shooter, scorer and rebounder. IF GM's had to build their team and those two players were the one's they had to build it around, most are taking Dirk over Wade.

@joceja23 yes he was…

Scottie was a superstar when Jordan left he almost took that team to the finals. If bron left wade ain’t going to no championship

@@demetriussmith9234 he didnt “almost take that team to the finals” LOL and no he wasn’t a superstar…

@joceja23 he was good during the playoffs and he was still a superstar…

@joceja23 ur just lying now

Wym they was drafted together they won 6/6 chips you acting like them 2 dudes was on separated teams them team up later

@@teesweeezy263 MJ was drafted in 84', and Pippen was drafted in 87' my man. Pippen took 3 years to develop into a consistent reliable robin for MJ. Wade was already a champion in 2006 as the main dude, what are you missing here? Pippen had his chances in 94, 99, and 2000 to win on his own teams, but choked, especially in Game 7 vs LA in 2000. Blazers teammates were looking for him in the 4th qtr, but dawg was nowhere to be found, except getting crossed up by Afro Kobe lol.

@@QuestionEverything562 what does him being pass his prime go to do it with his priming with Chicago Scottie did all the dirty work he made Jordan job easier so what your tell me is that Scotty is role player he was never a superstar stop making it seem like jordan carried him they both needs each other . When he was in Portland he was like 37 he wasn’t the same old Pip. Superstar just don’t grow on trees u supposed to develop them. That what GSW did and everybody hating

Nigga mj ain’t do nothing without Scottie 😂😂 scottie was third in the mvp race when mj left

@@teesweeezy263 Scottie Pip was never a superstar, one MVP potential year does not make a player a superstar. His numbers basically went up by 2 ppg more without MJ, and Scottie showed he wasn't a true leader without MJ in the 94' playoffs. Then in the 94-95 season, just for full disclosure for pro Pippen/LeCasuals like you, what did Scottie do in the first 65 games without MJ? Go look that season up, before MJ came back to them that season, what was the Bulls' record?

Tmac wasn’t even really a star till 2001 him and MJ are not the same era😂

Now if '01 T-mac was in 97 then I see tickets point of view 🤣🤣

The Tmac argument is flawed.

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The 80's didn't exist with most of these closet jdrs

DWade and LeBron was more like Batman and Superman

Pippen and Jordan are World's finest.

This was perfect

@@deetheoriginal3117 I was thinking the 2010/2011 - 2013/2014 Heat years, with Bron and Wade on the same team. In 2011, Wade played way better Lebron in the finals. I found it hard to call him Superman (OP Hero) or Batman (Tactical genius) that year. 2012 Bron started to become the #1 guy with Wade starting to deal with injuries and slowing down athletically. Which I think is closer to Bruce Wayne in "Batman Beyond" training Terry McGinnis.

Dwade more important to Bron, this is ridiculous

That has zero to do with this conversation

@@TheIcemanthomas who asked

@@TheIcemanthomas q

Wade was clearly a better player than Pippen but Pippen fitted better with Jordan than Wade fitted with Lebron. Pippen's skills complemented perfectly Jordan's skills. Wade's skills didnt complement perfectly Lebron's skills. In many ways Wade's style of play made him look like a shorter guard version of Lebron.

@@user-bw6pt9dy6f basically a longer version of what I said minus the longevity

@joceja23 Just capable i guess.

So if Dwight and lebron was on the same team they lose y’all so quick to lebron would not win without dwade when yet he won 2 rings without him yet Jordan hasn’t even won a series b4 or after he played with scottie pippin y’all takes be so inconsistent they all needed each other but to say lebron wouldn’t win without dwade it is straight up wrong

@joceja23 I would argue Kawhi was greater than Pippen as a perimeter defender. Scottie never had to guard outside of the 3 pt line, Kawhi did. Scottie could afford to sag off a lot in the 90s, he couldn't getaway with that in the 2010s. Pip didn't lockdown Magic in 1991 either, nobody really locked down Magic. MJ was Magic's primary defender throughout those finals.

@@datjitdj1695 jordanite logic

@joceja23 Why is Pippen a greater perimeter defender than MJ to you?

And Lebron is 4-6 even with all the superteam and help he had

That’s facts

2 out of what 17 seasons and one being a bubble ring, the other being a fluke 3 game win streak?

@@Christian-eq6pq I'll take 2-17 over 0-15, lol

@@Christian-eq6pq bro go home virgin lmaoo he got 2 without Wade Lmaoo Wade got 1 without Lebron

So we leaving out the fact that LeBron teamed up with other star players?

Pat taught him more than Wade.

Jordan didn’t make it to the finals until scottie averaged 20ppg in the playoffs. Lebron made the finals with his 2nd best player averaging 12ppg.

@@bigboibundy7566in a terrible conference the pistons didn’t even have Ben Wallace

Wade won in 2006 without Lebron

Casual

@galileogalilei6450 I get that. But was the most important thing Lebron learning how to lead from Wade or just have a better #2 and better squad all around him that lead to titles? I would say its having the better teammates, front office, and coach than he ever had his first time in Cleveland!

@deetheoriginal3117 Lebon led teams to the finals, best records in the league and won MVPs before joining the Heat but he didnt know how to lead or win? A real casual just looks at titles being the end all be all. You can be a leader and not win the chip i.e. Chris Paul. Or not a leader at all and still win a chip i.e. Kawhi.

Stop talking bs , pippen was there for a couple years and he was jus ass , MJ carried some trash rosters to the conf finals and second round , and as soon pippen was good enough to be play good Defense and put 15 a game they started winning , stop acting like as soon as pip got there he became that guy, correlation is not causation

And if u really wanna play this game, wade was already a established super star who won a chip before bron got to Miami, Bron legit said Wade taught him how to win , in fact wade sacrificed his game so Lebron could be Lebron , MJ needed guys who were on his same wave length in terms of passion to win and play defense but as far as offense the bulls had no one in the half court apart from pip and MJand tha wasn't the case with the heat

People keep saying this but Pippen coming on the team and Jordan getting out the first round is an incidental. Pippen wasn’t the reason for the Bulls advancing. Pippen was a rookie coming off the bench averaging 10 ppg to Jordan’s 45 ppg that series. We could say LeBron didn’t make the playoffs until he got Larry Hughes, it’s an incidental but not the reason

@@suntansuperman26 people really be acting like those 10 ppg was 100 SMH

@@_wael See the problem is they listen to Nick Wright, Shannon Sharpe, etc who tell half truths to try diminish Jordan to prop up LeBron

Lol. LeBron won 2 MVPs, 2 fmvp and was by far the alpha after year 1 What a dumb comment

@@jsgr5382 naw just facts

@@jsgr5382 LeBron CHOKED 2011 and 2014 NBA finals. Miami is wade team fasho 💯💯💯💯

Yeah. Can you imagine if he had like a COY caliber coach at that time?🤯 MJ was lucky to get Phil in 1990(after he had already been to game 6 of the ECF in 1989), so he could learn how to win from such an EXPERIENCED NBA winning coach like Phil was in the 80's.

They pretty much did the same thing. Both Wade and Steph had already won a championship.

Wade literally won in 2006 without Lebron as the first option . Scottie only got to the 2nd round

Scottie got to the western conference finals…

Scottie got to the western conference finals…

@@pjwright3773 hmmm and the Bulls already made the conference finals in 89 before Phil was head coach

@@pjwright3773 we know Lebron didnt win before Wade and afterwards with Kyrie Irving and K Love. Troll

Wade was a FMVP before Bron even had an appearance

@@tj2wavyyy so what. We’re taking about when they were on the same team. That’s not a fair argument when Scotties whole prime was on Jordan’s team. If bron left that heat team wade ain’t bring them to no conference championship. Scottie did

@Aaron9 magic dropped a trip dip on Jordan in that finals then they put Scottie on him

@@demetriussmith9234 This myth needs to end right now lol Magic was whooping on both their asses until like game 3 then both MJ and Scottie stepped up their defense and took turns slowing him down

Funny, it was MJ that was guarding magic.

This is such a dishonest statement. So LeBron was gonna win 2012 regardless with the Cavs, the same team his own fans shit on to justify him going to Miami in the first place but all of a sudden he’s going to win with that team now. And then you’re going to say Jordan wasn’t gonna win without Pippen as if it’s facts.

The team had no designated playmaker, in a system like the triangle the ball was getting moved around, he happened to get 7 assists a game not just cuz he was good passer but because he had a guy that was putting up 30 to 40 points every night

You don’t know ball…

Dont know basketball or didn’t watch either or

Guarantee i know more about ball than yall. I aint TicketTV this aint what you want

What the hell Wade started sitting out more and more games every year It took LeBron to be absolutely Dominant for them to win in 12” and 13” he had so many historic performances especially the 45 point game against Boston in 2012 facing elimination down 3-2

Wade already won in 2006 without Lebron as the first option. Try again.

on the cusp? Bron went to the Finals in a depleted Eastern Conference and got swept. MJ was facing dynsaties within his own conference with no help whatsoever. These are not the same.

@@remnant8898 so the spurs weren’t a dynasty?? How About The Warriors? Also did lebron have help?? I’m sorry is getting swept PRIOR TO THE FINALS better than getting swept in the finals?? Also isn’t Chicago in the East, when Jordan went 6-0 who all was he facing? (It’s rhetorical) y’all try to diminish Lebron’s accomplishments, JORDAN went through the same shit, Finals, 1st Round, it’s still a loss.

Smh, but would LeBron ever evolved into a championship alpha without the Wade and Riley's Heat? I sincerely doubt it.

@@QuestionEverything562 Neither LeBron nor MJ were winning championships until they got the right supporting star, the right coach, and the right system that maximized their strengths. We could go back and forth all day on shit like this

@@camctrail MJ needed Pippen, but was Pippen a greater player than Wade? No, and you know that. MJ never had as a talented of a crew as Bron did in Miami in those first three years. LeBron definitely needed the Heat's real system and culture in order to finally win a title in year 9. Wade had to give up his stats in order to cushion LeBron's ego. Scottie just had to accept being the Robin, which came easy to him because that's who he inherently was as a person. Whereas Wade was already a championship lead alpha before Bron. Wade and the Heat taught LeBron how to become a champion. MJ already had that winning killer mindset, he just needed to trust Jackson and Winter's Triangle System, and help Scottie blossom into a reliable 2-way all-star wing player. LeBron had the greater overall sidekick for his first two-three years there.

@@QuestionEverything562 I could make the case that Pip was a greater player than Wade lol, the margin is slim enough between them that I could make a good case. MJs crew of Pippen, Rodman, and Kukoc is as talented as any lineup LeBron has ever had, stop underrating MJs teammates to elevate MJ. Ok so if MJ already had that killer winning mindset, then why didn't he win before year 7? Because he was facing dynasties in the playoffs with awful supporting casts and putting up insane individual numbers. Hmm, who else was facing dynasties in the playoffs with awful supporting casts and put up insane individual numbers before he won a championship... can you think of anyone? 🙄 You know MJ was coined in the media as not a winner at the time right? Same shit that LeBron went through, MJ went through too. MJ needed Phil to help him become less of an individual player and more of a team player. LeBron needed Wade to help him become less of a team player and more of an individual player. We can go back and forth all night dude

@@camctrail you could try but it’s a losing argument to say Pip is GREATER than Wade is blasphemous. It’s unfair bc we didn’t see Pip play his whole career without MJ so we would never know how special he could have been. Whereas before Lebron went and joined Wades team and eventually made it his own team. Wade was a MVP and had already won a championship. There’s no argument to pip being greater

That is magic johnson my nigga that ain't no regular point guard I remember grant hill and penny hardaway giving it to scottie pippen also then jordan had to guard them

Cap

@@triplegezzy3007 what is cap

@@jimmycharlotin7050 the dude danger white saying Scottie guarded magic the next 4 games which was not true

@@triplegezzy3007 this is why coaching is key maybe Phil Jackson took off of magic and allow scottie to guard magic 94 feet so Michael can save his energy on the offensive end but that's no where near what Jason Terry and j.j. barea did to lebron james in the 2011 finals how you let Jason Terry bust your ass in the finals that never happened to jordan

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Not wrong although Tbf he was a highly capable defender

Wade wasn’t a good shooter but he was actually an excellent off ball player whether it was quick post ups, back doors to the basket, etc. Also, his steals , help side blocks and athleticism were perfect for Lebron

@@Thanosdidtherighthing "excellent off ball player" There's isn't any data at a team level that suggests he was a High End Offensive player when paired next to Lebron; Wade's passing/playmaking fell off a cliff and his scoring efficiency didn't increase that much as a opposed to when he is on the floor by himself.

I say 2

Bro CP3 wasn’t as clutch as Wade, wasn’t a better defender and wasn’t a better scorer. Plus CP3 always folds in the playoffs.

None cause CP3 it just never work out for him he gets hurt at the wrong time I’ll take D-wade Bad knees and all

Cant tell chris paul has played with great players and great teams he such a choke artist i cant even tell u

@@cutamuta any of his teammates better than lebron and bosh

Low is right

He wasn’t it was MJ. Both great defenders but MJ was the better defender out the 2

No he wasn't Phil Jackson said Scottie was the most complete player on the team in 1995 including defense rebounds and assist when asked about Jordan he said Jordan scoring was great but not the end all be all

Scottie is no way, shape or form is a better playmaker than MJ

@@Chillboyhaad Once again bro his own coach said Scottie was the most complete player on the team u can Google the interview if you need clarification

@@keithmitchell8372 yes, if you was around that time, that was called building Scottie’s confidence up at the time. Because despite all these new age narratives and lies. Scottie was a known choker and he needed that to help with his game. That was around 94-95, with no Jordan.

Scottie needed Mike the same way jordan needed Scottie. Lebron retires with a ring even if he never plays with wade 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@valo1125 I mean if LeBron wouldn't team with Wade he would have find someone else to team with... cause that's just who he is...MJ had so many chances to leave Bulls when he was going through his struggles but he didn't he stood his ground and created a dynasty...

@@DarrelWashingtonJr9002 yeah the bulls just got mj Scottie and Phil Jackson the Cavs got lebron mo Williams and Mike brown

@@DarrelWashingtonJr9002 Bro they got arguably the best coach of all time and Scottie. Who in the fuck did the Cavs get Lebron? It wasn't until Lebron left that they finally got someone great due to losing so much.

@@valo1125 ok but since then it's been Dwade Cbosh kyrie K love Anthony Davis derrick rose IT Dwight Howard Carmelo Anthony Russell Westbrook Ray Allen and many more...

8 ppg for Pippen when MJ won mvp

@@Thanosdidtherighthing smh ya will say anything to protect MJ. It very pethetic people are tired of that.

@@Thanosdidtherighthing 0 rings without Scottie Pippen. Period stop it 😂

@@coreythomas3633 Grown ass man acting like u doing ain’t right.

@@Thanosdidtherighthing What? MJ in those 10 playoff games w/out Pip⤵️ 1-9 W-L (‘85 ECF Game 3; Win-CHI +2) 36/6/7/2/2 on 12/26 FG + 12/14 FT per game (56% TS; +1) 35% USG, 29/11 AST%/TOV%, +2 NETRTG In 43 MPG ========================= 85’➡️ 29/6/9/3/1 on 57% TS (+2) 34/78 FGM (44%) + 48/58 FTM (83%) 29% USG, 31/13 AST%/TOV%, +8 NETRTG In 43 MPG Moncrief➡️ 27/5/5/1/1 on 72% TS (+17) 28/51 FGM (55%) + 48/52 FTM (92%) 21% USG, 17/9 AST%/TOV%, +37 NETRTG In 42 MPG ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 86’➡️ 44/6/6/2/1 on 58% TS (+4) 48/95 FGM (51%) + 34/39 FTM (87%) 40% USG, 26/11 AST%/TOV%, -4 NETRTG In 45 MPG Bird➡️ 28/8/8/2/1 on 64% TS (+10) 28/53 FGM (53%) + 25/30 FTM (83%) 24% USG, 26/13 AST%/TOV%, +20 NETRTG In 45 MPG ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 87’➡️ 36/7/6/2/2 on 53% TS (+2) 35/84 FGM (42%) + 35/39 FTM (90%) 39% USG, 30/7 AST%/TOV%, 0 NETRTG In 43 MPG Bird➡️ 26/10/9/1/0 on 67% TS (+16) 24/45 FGM (53%) + 28/31 FTM (90%) 23% USG, 29/11 AST%/TOV%, +29 NETRTG In 45 MPG =========================

And a top 50 player ever and perfect pieces

Nobody failed to realize that shit because it was a reality.

Yawn trolll

no he didn't. Dude was the 3rd- 5tth best player on that team all 5 years.

@@remnant8898 You don't watch basketball and you read rosters on the internet. You don't know about Pippen's role on the teammates and the impact of his defense on that Blazers team.

MJ was the reason for that

@@deetheoriginal3117 the reason for what ?

You're missing the point. Lebron needed Wade to teach him how to lead a team to win a championship. Lebron wouldn't have won anything if he didn't learn that. No team can win without a proper leader.

@@syzorst 1-9 WITHOUT SCOTTIE PIPPEN. It MJ duh smh

@@coreythomas3633 LeBron missed the playoffs in his first two years, also blew a 2-1 series lead with a super team while having the all-time meltdown by a superstar in NBA finals history. When did MJ ever have a meltdown or not play up to par or leave Pippen out to dry in a series? Pepperidge Farm remembers, b*tch.

@@QuestionEverything562 MJ never made a play-off without SCOTTIE AND CHOKE A 2-1 LEAD AGAINST THE PISTONS. LEBRON 2007 SEASON SHOWS HE CAN CARRY A TEAM WITHOUT THE BEST TALENT.

@@QuestionEverything562 when did MJ ever made past the first round with Scottie. He miss the playoffs twice in his career. And got swept twice. Stop the stupidity.

it's easy to be less selfish when you finally have someone else who's good

What ? MJ won defensive player of the year when Scottie was coming off the bench lol

@@NothingElseMattersJM okay and? He was still on the team playing great defense, once again it's not an accident that his peek defensive years was when scottie was on the team

@@randomperson2540 that’s not true from any statistical metric. He was at his absolute best as an individual defender BEFORE Scottie blew up. Maybe from a team standpoint he got better but not individually.

@@TheIcemanthomas why you think I said "improve my team" there was never a problem with MJ shot blocking and on ball D, but it was his off ball/help Defense that was noticeable improved when scottie came, it why he won dpoy. You notice that guys who are really good help defenders tend to win that award

Thank you

Lebron had 2 mvps with wade being a what?

@@joejett5084 in 2012 Dwade was still a superstar caliber player 2013 he was not

@@mreincome no my man, no no no

@@joejett5084 you do realize in 2012 the heat didn't need Wade to put the same numbers up he was putting up in yrs before that

@@mreincome yes. Wade was all star caliber in my opinion but superstar like Kobe, naw I didn’t see it. The shooting guard position was weak in that time period. Ginobili was still good but not prime. Kobe was still Kobe but it was a fall off from those 3. Even harden was still a baby on the bench.

Phil Jackson was a rookie coach when he joined the bulls