In the classic mafia movie, Goodfellas, one of the characters in real life is suspected of being a snitch, and it is eventually revealed that he was the one who betrayed Tommy DeVito. Who was this snitch?
Pesci and DeNiro, along with Liotta, carried the movie together. Every scene those actors were in, alone or together, was phenomenal. Their acting was so natural and weirdly warm in a messed up way that I wanted to be part of their world. It's a great movie alongside Casino and Godfather.
Yes I can absolutely believe it, but not because he wasn’t great in Goodfellas. You see, people are weak, ignorant-tipping-into-stupid, unoriginal, cruel, petty and, above all, jealous. Any award that is given away through a majority-vote is automatically, and forever, suspect anyway; don’t ever trust a human’s “opinion”. Ray is acting in god’s theater now. The audiences are much more appreciative. Wish someone had had that talk with me when inwas a kid…sigh…
Tommy was NEVER going to make it. He was just too wild and brash. If I remember correctly, in the book, it’s mentioned that someone in Tommy’s family (affiliated with his uncle I believe) was a rat and that’s why he was so desperate to prove himself and be a big bad gangster. He had a terminal case of “Cowboy-itis” as Tony Soprano would say.
Nooo tommy was fear ful gangster....his fear of Paulie jimmy evident ..he masks it acting wild ..why he fears Jimmy & Paulie ..cause those 2 are super evil .... 24/7....Paulie top evil
The part where Karen witnessed the hosing of the car was way after the death of Batts. They dug up the body because they found out a construction project was about to happen where they buried him. The truth is that the Gambino family knew it was Tommy. The only reason they didn't kill Desimone right away was to avoid a feud. When Tommy let people see his face in the Lufthansa heist, he became a liability and Paul Vario gave Gotti the green light to take him out. It wasn't a shot to the head either. Gotti tortured DeSimone, according the Hill.
And his body has never been found. Also, didn't DeSimone (Tommy) sexually assault Paul Vario's wife while Paul was serving prison time with Henry and others (as depicted in the film)?
@@fiacomic It wouldn't surprise me if Tommy's body was somewhere in 'The Hole' in Brooklyn, (Gotti's body dumping ground) although his body could have been disintegrated with a lime burial.
It is necessary to read Pileggi's book "Wiseguy: Life in a Mafia Family" to understand the unspoken and unseen facets of "the life" omitted from the movie. It is also helpful to remember that the movie is told from H. Hill's POV. He never commits a murder and he is always trying to be a peacemaker. For the movie it had to be that way. The real Henry Hill was NOT the dashing Ray Liotta.
All the little lines too.. like just before they killed Murray he was talking about point shaving in college basketball- Boston college . And the DA prosecutor for Henry was an alumnus of - Boston college. Also at Henry and Karen’s wedding there is some similar discussion. Interesting note - one of the people in the restaurant roll call scene is an old wealthy man living in Las Vegas.
I noticed that too. Henry never committed any serious crimes...at least not in his eyes. He was just a guy looking to be a somebody in a world of snooks.
That's obvious pretty quickly to anybody who's ever watched an interview of the real Henry Hill. Somebody also said the movie portrayal of the real Paul Vario was also way off.
@@BrandonLeech I think it's safe to say that the movie made ALL of the characters more sympathetic for two reasons, for one thing it is told from Henry's perspective and Henry did, in fact, genuinely like them. But the truth is, if they showed them for who they REALLY were, nobody watching the movie would like any of them. You have to on some level like the characters, particularly the main characters, or else the movie will flop. But yeah Vario was pretty heinous. He even had an affair with Hill's wife when he was in prison (allegedly).
@@voteZDLR Joe Pesci's portrayal of whoever that real life guy was, was actually pretty accurate from what I've heard. A vicious, unstable and cold bloodedly violent guy with a temper problem. The kind of guy you WOULD make a movie about and who WOULD end up getting wacked in real life.
In an interview, Henry Hill, when asked what he felt when he heard Tommy had been killed, said "Honestly, relieved." I believe there are at least two murders attributed to Tommy, of complete strangers, whom he killed simply because he wanted to try out a new gun he`d gotten.
Actually he committed six murders in total. He murdered a total stranger named Harold Goldstein on a whim, he aided Jimmy Burke in killing William "Billy Batts" Devino, shot Michael "Spider" Gianco (the young bartender), strangled Burke's friend Dominick Cersani for snitching, beat to death a warehouse foreman he and a friend were trying to intimidate, and shot to death Roland "Foxy" Jarothe (this killing is what probably got him murdered by the Gambino family, because Jarothe was also made, and John Gotti was his good friend.)
@@monroetoolman Based upon him. Although irl Tommy and Henry were actually walking, not driving, when the former shot Goldstein. According to Henry Hill, Hill told DeSimone after the shooting "That was cold blooded, Tommy!" To which DeSimone replied "Well, I am a mean cat."
They're all disgusting pieces of human garbage who we need to stop glamourizing. Scorsese goes out his way to cover up their disgusting behavior because he's a monster apologist. They're all garbage
@@australian2 he made sure NEVER to mention none of the characters smashing Karen because he knew audiences would hate them for it. They're disgusting pieces of human garbage and they all got what they deserved in the end. And Scorsese is an Italian gangster apologist
@@australian2 lmao, did you even watch Goodfellas? If you have any clue about the real story and what actually happened, how in the world could you say he didn't glamorize it?
I think it was Henry who unintentionally dropped the dime on Tommy. Before the Sunday dinner, when they were outside, Paulie asks Henry what he knows about "that thing." Henry plays dumb, but then says "nobody knows what happened to him (Batts) He came into the bar that night and then he just disappeared." What he should have said was "last time I saw him was at his coming home party." To use the word "disappeared" implies knowledge that Batts was never seen by anyone else after being in Henry's bar, arguing with Tommy. That's when Paulie figured it out.
I think they just put two and two together tbh, it would have been obvious that it was probably Tommy and given his reputation as being out of control, they could have just easily justified taking him out unilaterally. I feel like that's the way it's presented to us in the movie.
Henry said he disappeared because that's all that was being said about Batts. That he disappeared. He's just repeating what everyone else can't come to the conclusion over.
I knew Tommy Desimone from the 1970's. I wasn't his friend, but we shared drinks and laughs together at a bar. He was a fun guy and would have you laughing all night. The movie didn't show how drug addicted he was. I knew he was a street guy but underestimated his body count. Glad I didn't piss him off.
This was apparently what occurred in real life. GoodFellas doesn't really want to focus on it I can imagine because of time and portraying Karen as a victim being cheated on. To show that she cheated as well would merely highlight her hypocrisy and make Henry's affair less poignant in the story.
Also wanted to make Henry not seem as much of a sell out. He knew about the affair in the real world and he used it to pressure Paulie into favourable acts
When I saw the movie I noticed that everyone treated the Bats murder as an "open secret" since everyone saw small guy in a fit of rage and openly saying "dont let him go out" to his buddy before storming off. So everyone knew that the last time Bats was seen was in the bar and he never got back home or called anyone after. For a mobster thats good enough to know who did it, they dont need trials, witnesses and evidence.
@@coleycole420 For mobs thats as good as happening the same day. It also happened in the bar and they did a messier job on real life hiding the body, they had to relocate it at least once and posibly twice.
I love that part! I’ve said it randomly for years, it really is my favorite part. I’ve later reflected and wondered if it’s where I got my ideas about women like her. 2R-Rossi
I know in reality Paulie was having an affair with Henry's wife but I don't believe there's enough evidence to say the same thing was happening in the movie. I feel like it was changed to make Paulie more likable in the film. The line about him knowing what to say to her, to me, comes off as Paulie saying he always knows just what to say to women because he's a charmer.
From what I had read the Paulie from Goodfellas was nothing like the Paulie in real life. The real Paulie was a disgusting pig and a complete slob of a human being. Sounds like the real Paulie moved up in spite of himself. Apparently he raped Karen as well. The real Jimmy the Gent was quite a nasty POS too.....
I think you are exactly right. When he says “especially her”, he just means he knows her well enough to know how to reassure her. I do not believe the writers intended to imply that he was having an affair with her.
Great video. History Buffs does a great overview of the movie. Interesting enough, he suggests that Billy Bate's murder wasn't because of Tommy's anger (though that did happen, just that people kept tommy from attacking him) but that Jimmy took over some of Billy's businesses while he was away and now that Billy was out, he wanted them back. Jimmy didn't want to give them back, so it is suggested he was the one who organized the hit.
This is a ridiculous question. There was a guy from Billy Bat's crew there that night and saw the beef he had with Tommy. He even heard when Tommy said "keep him here".... When you see that and then Billy immediately goes missing its beyond obvious.
Yeah, and when Paulie asks Henry about Batts and Henry tries to play dumb. Paulie obviously didn't believe him and knew they had something to do with it. No snitch was needed either to off Tommy.
@@ChinDulles Yeah, Ive heard rumors about that. I always thought it was corn he was talking about though, "20 fucking ears" or something. I dunno, maybe I heard wrong.
Tommy was entirely expendable. His only use was muscle, plus remember there were other Bats associates at the club that witnessed Tommy fly off the handle before he left. Wouldn't have taken Paulie too much to put two and two together after having a sit down with Bats' family. Like I said, Tommy could be cut loose. Henry and Jimmy, although not made members, were big earners for Paulie so were not as easily spared.
those witnesses would tell their bosses about this squabble as soon as possible. in real life Tommy DeVito killed Batts only after two weeks they had argument so no one could witness it. in the movie he killed Batts the same night.
@@skimaskthefinesselord Batts was a childhood friend of Gotti's he wouldnt have cared if Batt's crew were only speculating about who they thought was the killer. Its even rumored Gotti dropped the hammer personally.
Grazie Consigliere. Watched this movie several times and is an all time favourite; now when I watch it again the story will be enriched by your excellent vid. Diolch yn fawr from Wales.
Paulie doesn't help the bar owner out , he was the one telling Tommy to rack up a tab and cause trouble. That way the bar owner would ask for his help and they could baisically sabotage the business and make easy money like they did in the movie. Tommy even tells Henry in the bar "you know you're supposed to be doing this stuff to you know" after smashing the bottle on the owners head throwing shit at the waiter. This whole take has a few flaws.
Yup. The goal was to cause trouble, then when the owner asked for Paulies help, Paulie would take half the business so the good fellas would stop causing trouble. Then once they sucked the business dry, they burned it down and collected the insurance money. Paulie was a master at extortion lol
Agreed. Regardless of whether or not Paulie instructed Tommy to wreck havoc in the bar and not pay the tab and whatever else, Paulie saw the opportunity to extort the owner - free of charge.
I think it was the aggregate total of transgressions by Tommy that got him whacked. He was wild and unpredictable. I don't think anyone necessarily ratted on him. I think they sort of put 2 & 2 together and decided it was time for Tommy to go. He was bad for business. Simple as that.
Yep. By some accounts Gotti was the triggerman and personally whacked Tommy. Tommy killed Foxy because Tommy was messing with Foxy's sister and Foxy confronted him about it. And the killing of Batts was something that had been long plotted rather than the spur of the moment thing over an insult like it's portrayed in the movie. The insult to Tommy was probably the cause of it happening that night but Tommy and Jimmy were going to take Batts out because Jimmy had taken over Batts' street rackets while he was in the pen and didn't want to give them up after Batts was released. That's why Jimmy insisted that drinks be on the house for Batts. They wanted him good and drunk when they made their move so he couldn't fight back effectively. It's hard to hear in the movie but when Tommy returns to the bar Batts is ranting to Jimmy about how he 'did his time' and 'has mouths to feed'. He's talking about his street rackets. He also says 'I want what's coming to me' meaning the money. And Jimmy replies 'Well, you're going to get it' right before Batts feels Tommy's presence behind him and they stomp him out.
The question always was not “if” Tommy was going to get whacked, but “when”. Also, another reason for killing Bill Batts was that while Billy was in prison Jimmy Burke took over Billy’s business and did not want to give it back.
Good video, there is one important little note you missed though. In the movie if you look carefully it's actually Paulies brother who shoots Tommy, so that confirms the hit came from Paulie
VERY GOOD EYE FOR DETAIL!!! Jimmy didn't want to give up the loansharking rackets he inherited while Billy was away and he wanted it back and Jimmy didn't want to give it back.so Jimmy coaxed Tommy into killing Billy. He should've talked Tommy OUT of it. Instead he encouraged it.
Well, Tommy was going to kill him anyway. The man had an uncontrollable temper. That just gave Jimmy a reason to encourage Tommy to go through with it and help him.
Irish or not i find it hard to comprehend why burke and hill were'nt both whacked as well. it could only mean that burke and hill maybe didnt have anything to do with batts murder. believe you me if burke and hill had been involved in whacking a made guy they would have gone as well big earner or not, THE RULES ARE THE RULES.
@@trinihammer Since it was Gotti and Agro that killed Tommy, I think it’s more likely they didn’t find out. I seriously doubt Gotti would have been satisfied with just killing Tommy. If he knew Hill and Burke had a connection to the death of Bats, he would have killed them. It’s possible that whoever tipped the Gambinos off about the death of Billy only knew Tommy was involved. He was the most likely suspect, since a ton of people witnessed their confrontation at the party. Perhaps once they confirmed Tommy did it they stopped investigating and didn’t dig deeper. Or perhaps the the Luccheses just wanted to be rid of Tommy. He was clearly a liability, a loose cannon far too quick to kill and cause a scene, and about as subtle as an elephant at a tea party. The mafia prefers to keep a low profile, do their crimes without attracting too much attention. That’s how you stay out of prison. The fact that he killed Billy would have been the perfect excuse to get rid of him, as the killing would have been justified under the rules of the mob. Plus, he technically was the min killer. Burke and Hill just helped him. They were accomplices, not the main killers. Perhaps the Luccheses just didn’t want to lose three associates at once, so they withheld some information from the Gambinos. The Gambinos were simply given the name of the one who planned and was the primary figure that killed Billy Bats. Killing him was Tommy’s idea. He plotting the death, he was the main attacker. Billy’s death lay primarily on his shoulders. There was also the fact that Burke had been running some of Billy’s rackets while Bats was in prison. Perhaps keeping Burke alive meant that the Luccheses didn’t have to give that business back to the Gambinos. As for Hill, he was still making money for the Vario Crew, and he knew how to keep his head down, though there is evidence they were planning to kill him for being a drug dealing junkie. They may not have planned that until later, however, as Hill’s addiction became worse and his value as an associate diminished. That just left Tommy, the man primarily responsible for the death of Billy, the loose cannon, the troublemaker who would kill people over the slightest provocation. His inability to control his temper and his recklessness meant he was unworthy of being made despite being of purely Italian descent, and he would clearly be a liability if he kept doing stupid things like killing Bats and Spider, as well as the other people he killed, which included a Gambino associate. He made a number of other mistakes as well. All this made him bad for business, and someone who would need to be dealt with at some point. Why not have the Gambinos take care of him? He killed both an associate and a Made Man of the Gambino family without being ordered to or even having the permission of the Luccheses, His violation of the rules was justification for his death, and the perfect excuse to get rid of a reckless man who could call too much attention to their criminal activity.
I thought I read somewhere that Tommy was told to give certain business owners a hard time so they would go to Paulie for help. Then Paulie would buy into the business and do what he did to the restaurant.
Great video, I'd like to add that, Tommy wasn't necessarily escorted out after his initial run in with Billy Batts, he was screaming and telling Jimmy to hold him/keep him there. Batts & his crew must've really fealt invincible, considering how enraged Tommy got.
Tommy and Paulie played Sonny. Tommy assaulted him on purpose so he would go to Paulie and give up part of the restaurant to him. The whole thing was a setup.
That is the whole point of that scene, so whatever Pauline says about Tommy is a part of the con to get control of the restaurant. Now, Tommy’s assault of Sonny may or may not have been “all part of the plan”, but it was taken as an opportunity. What Pauline says to Henry should hold more weight bc Henry is a part of the crew and Pauline would be more forthcoming with his personal thoughts/feelings
That's what I always thought. In the restaurant after Tommy assaults Sonny and the kid that was afraid to bring the check Tommy turns to Henry and says 'you're supposed to being doing this too'. And in the book 'Wiseguy' Henry pretty much describes it as a setup for a shakedown. That's why Sonny asked Paulie to be his 'partner' because once that happened he knew Tommy would no longer behave in such a manner in an establishment that Paulie had a piece of. And then they later ran up the business's credit and burned it down to collect insurance money. Sonny probably didn't get a dime of the insurance.
@@westyraviz did you not watch the movie? Tommy caused trouble and Henry was the one who talked sonny into talking to Paulie about making him a partner. Henry even says "tell him what we talked about" right before sonny asked Paulie to be a partner. Than they proceed to bend sonny over and rack up the credit cards and insurance scam for 100% profit. Sonny was gonna file for bankruptcy so they baisically make a fuck ton of money with no strings attached. It was a common scam for mobs.
That's a practice called a "bust out". Harassing the owner and patrons, owner runs to mob guy asking for protection, mob guy gives "protection", but essentially drives the establishment into debt, eating the owner alive financially.
I love the scene where the restaurant owner comes to Paulie and complains about Tommy while Henry is sitting at the table. Rarely do we ever know what’s going on in the life of a henchman. Usually the main character is the boss. Henry, in this scene, is simply some nameless mob affiliate sitting with the boss. If you were there you’d just think he was some scumbag security guard or something. But we have seen how Henry has made it from running newspapers to now sitting at that table in the bar with Paulie. To the restaurant owner, Henry is a scary guy. He’s “one of those bag guys” that you wouldn’t want your kids around. But we as the audience know Henry intimately.
I always figured there was enough evidence for Pauly to put two & two together. That coupled with Tommy’s irrational and impulsive behavior, made it a no brainer for Pauly to rat him out.
The way it went down in the movie wasn't exactly how it went down in real life. Pauly gave up Tommy because of the Gambino inquiries about theBatts murder but he also basically tried to rape Karen Hill while Henry was in jail and Paul Vario was having an affair with her and told him about it. He also killed this other guy...I think his nickname was Foxy and he was a friend of John Gotti's. So yeah as they say in the movie it was for a lot of things. I think they left out the Pauly/Karen affair in the movie to make Pauly more likeable and wise. But yeah the movie captures the essence of that character being out of control. He was never going to last.
@@williammatthews7252 the film is from Henry’s point of view. Can you think of a single scene without him in it or in proximity to where it happened or the scene turning out to be what someone is telling him? He didn’t know about the affair at the time the film takes place so it wouldn’t be in there
I’d say the film is from Henry’s prospective but a couple scenes that stick out in regards to him possibly not knowing the truth: Karen almost getting whacked by Jimmy at the end(speculative) and Jimmy first deciding to not kill Morrie, but then killing him anyway after
@@rikers263 the characters in Goodfellas..obviously based on the Nick Pileggi book..Wiseguy wasn’t entirely truthful. Ray Liotta in the film was likeable and a good earner. In real life Henry Hill (although was involved in heroin selling) wasn’t a great earner and was often drunk and under the influence of drugs..and wasn’t considered a great money maker. There’s questions as to whether he set up the big airport heist, as portrayed in the film. I think John Gotti’s crew took out Tommy, as Batts was part of their crew in queens.
@@its_rick_james_bich2575 it's bad business to go after people not associated with the family they work for. There's rumors John killed Tommy but it's more internal info and no one outside the mafia knows.
@@its_rick_james_bich2575 def agree about the Gotti x Bats. Sammy the Bull was big in my area, even young his name rang bells and going to my friends houses in Bk u often heard alot of stories hence when Goodfellas did come out it was very relatable
In real life tommy didn’t kill batts that same night I think it was about 2 weeks after that argument. If he had killed him the same night batts crew would have just killed tommy right away assuming that he had something to do with it
They still set him up to be killed at Jimmy’s club those two weeks later. I remember learning the true story, and it would have been an unbelievable movie due to how stupid and shady these guys really were 😂
yeah I read that in Henry's book Wiseguys, Batts wasn't killed that night, after he insulted Tommy and everyone at the lounge was laughing Tommy mumbled to Henry that he was going to kill that bastard (meaning Batts).
interesting channel, I love mob movies so it's a great niche, I'd like to offer a bit of constructive criticism that some of the video effects used to show historical images left artifacts and were a bit jarring, overall great presentation and narration. subbed
This is one of the most noticeable things in the film for me: Paulie will never deal directly with Tommy but goes through Jimmy and Henry. Tommy is always out on a limb.
Not a bad video. I personally knew the real Henry Hill, I interviewed him several times and we became friends. Tommy was not only killed for the Billy Batts incident, but also for messing around with a made man's wife, according to Henry. If I remember correctly, Henry said he was messing around with one of the wives from the Gambino family. Pauly was having an affair with Karen, but Henry wasn't a made man and there was not much he could do about it until he turned on him and became an informant.
So that explains the lack of remorse Henry showed at least in the movie when naming Pauly in court. What about Jimmy though? Is there an underlying beef Henry had with Jimmy that we weren’t shown in the movie? To me it’s weird that Henry showed no remorse when naming Jimmy in court especially how high he once regarded Jimmy.
@@mikesmith4156 Also anyone that was seen being risky by blowing through money or being flashy after the heist would've put them in jimmy 's crosshairs..Henry fit the bill!!
@@minorsnow5306 Henry was buying everything in sight. Cars, Clothes, Giving up cash for shopping sprees for his wife and mistress. He was loud as well as the rest of them. Jimmy was going to kill anybody that put him in jeopardy of being caught and arrested for the Lufthansa heist. In that game, your either a wolf or a sheep literally!!! (Training Day reference I know lol)
I always took Paulie saying he knew what to say to her was that he was adept in smoothing things over with his crew's relations so it wouldn't become a problem.
There were witnesses in the bar. "Busting his balls" meant they were demanding action with the last people that witnesses saw him alive with, not that they didn't know anything. Combined with his reckless attitude and outright murdering people for no reason, it was inevitable. Paulie took his time making a decision to tell the higher ups.🤦♂️
I think the main reason that Paulie wants Henry to get back together with Karen is that they can't have someone who knows about Henry's crimes and isn't deeply involved in the crimes, who also resents him. And for once, they all seem to agree that killing her is not even an option to discuss.
Lmao 3rd grade logic. Henry ratted on his crew for Karen and the kids. Who makes their kids an orphan over the possibility of someone testifying on stuff they have no real knowledge on. I don't even think legally wives can be called to testify against a husband
According to the book, another member of Burke/Hill's crew was present-Alex Corccione, who Hill quickly steered out with his girlfriend the moment it went down. I always wondered if he might have snitched?
From the movie"s perspective it looked obvious Paulie gave the go ahead in whacking Tommy. As Henry said 'it was payback for Billy Bats and other things' Also, the trigger men in the movie were Paulie's crew. One was Vinnie, who called Jimmy to say 'he's gone and there's nothing we could do about it". From what I've read and heard from various documentaries, the real life Jimmy was an extremely violent man who even threatened lives of children, and he did not honor codes such as respecting wives, families, etc.
The chickens came home to roost. Paulie was the smooth talking caretaker, similar the relationship of Stringer Bell and D'Angelo, when it came to the in and out of jail/wife/girlfriend thing. Paulie knew Henry and Devito were onlookers for most of Tommy's bad deeds. It was only a matter of time.
Even when I first watched goodfellas I knew Tommy was the first one that was going to fall. A loose cannon wild man he was, and I also it was going to be at the hands of Paulie. Just from the way he questioned henry about it it was that easy for him to put two and two together and Tommy’s attitude had been tolerated enough. He didn’t have to kill spider but he did over an insult. Also the way tommy is killed was probably set up by Paulie, maybe trying to let him go with a little grace, the prospect of him becoming a made guy, then shoot him right in the head making it a quick painless death for the guy. What fascinates me even more is like Jimmy Hoffa the real Tommy’s body was never found.
The old man who was next to the one who shot Tommy was the one who was in prison cooking. Remember? "Don't put too much onion." Tommy's death was definitely authorized by Paulie.
Well tommy also killed another made man in the gambino family, so he killed 2 made guys and Pauly had an affair with Karen and tommy tried making a move and sexually assaulted her, tommy was just a loose cannon so with all the circumstances pauly gave up tommy.
Remember in the voiceover when Tommy just died, Henry states, "A few other things"... Yes, probably because of Billy Bats, its because he shot that kid at the card game, those kids were from the neighborhood and untouchable...that's what tipped the scale in the eyes of " The Rat".
There is one scene where it seems like Tommy was basically bragging about killing the guy but maybe he was talking about something else. It was a conversation happening in the background of a scene. So I always thought it was tommy that got himself killed because of his big mouth and recklessness.
@@molink3123 I think it the scene where jimmy tells Henry not to worry about maury. it's in the background. I noticed it too, only after having already watched it dozens of times. Lol.
Billy Batts was, in reality, a pioneer of computer science and just didn't get the chance to deploy his own operating system before Microsoft and Apple beat him to the punch. Just look at that photo of the real Billy.
The take I always had, from the movie, was two wise guys who brought in money consistently had got caught up in a squabble between italians, so only Tommy got blamed.
Paulie had an obligation as boss to know everything. He didn’t get there by being dumb. Remember, he didn’t have to move for anyone. He told Gambino out of respect. Why start a war over a wild cowboy? Now I have to turn my back on you.
I too, thought Paulie was boss when first seeing Goodfellas, but he was a captain and the 3 mains were mere associates; not even members of The Lucheses. Had to research that through the years for more detail since the movie was vague and I think the movie kinda assumes anyone watching would be more versed possibly, lol. But hey, I was just 14 when Goodfellas came out.
@@qualityserviceexperts9996 he was the boss (capo) of a crew, is my pov. He has to maintain a firm order. He knew about the drugs with Henry, he knew everything. The sausage is in the pan.
@@Nick.random Correct! But Capos cant give permission to do hits to other families. He wouldve sat down with Tony Ducks (Paulie's boss) and Paul Castellano (Billy Batts' boss) to make it happen.
I don't think that was a hint when Paulie said, "I know how to talk to her. Especially her." I think he meant he knows Karen gets emotional easy & he used to dealing w/ women like her. The beauty salon is a great example of how nuts some of these mobs wives would get & now Karen is one of them.
Now knowing about the affair I can see how people might make that connection, but I agree, I think the affair was left out of the movie to make Karen look innocent and pure. When he says 'especially her' I read that as Karen as an innocent or more like normal lady as opposed to the other wives who knew exactly who they were married to.
@@happydude2163 The affair was not mentioned in the book "Wiseguy" either. It was mentioned in one of Henry's later books. The people who made the movie may not have known about it.
As Hill mentioned in the movie your killers are your friends and come with smiles. Some of them aren't dumb, it wouldn't be hard for them to put two and two together and come to the conclusion that Tommy might have had something to do with Batt's disappearance because of the confrontation that occurred earlier in the bar. Its also not implausible that Paulie may have thrown Tommy under the bus to in essence kill two birds with one stone, get them off his ass and solve his problem of a cowboy that could land them all in prison.
I’d heard the rumours before about Batts being a friend of Gotti, and if it’s true that Gotti was mad at Tommy for whacking out not only a made man but a personal friend without permission, it shows Gotti’s hypocrisy. He did it twice, once to his own family boss.
Part of Gotti's beef with Castellano was that Big Paul didn't attend Neil Dellacroce's funeral. Dellacroce was his underboss, and Gotti's mentor. Not attending the funeral was big time disrespectful. Castellano was under indictment in the Commission case and didn't want to make a public showing at the funeral. Another reason was that Gotti and his brother were dealing drugs, a capital offense in the Gambino family under both the old man and Big Paul, and they were afraid that he had found out.
Just by the movie I thought that Paulie had something to do with it because if he didn't do anything then it could be a war between families. I'm curious about the club patrons like the beehive woman, I wonder if she knew Janice and her friends and maybe they were talking.
It took me a long time to notice that when Tommy shot stacks edwards, the shots he fired dont match up when they show him firing in slow motion. I wanna say the slow mo has more shots fired but im not sure since it's been a while
What a nightmare it turned out for everybody who was in this movie. It is disgusting that you can get whacked even if they are your friends, or enemies. Don't trust anybody.
its an unwritten rule in the la cosa nostra TRUST NO ONE when the mob wants to set you up to get whacked they get the people most close to you to either set you up to be hit or to pull the trigger themselves.
Talk about Blinded by the Light!! When the restaurant owner came to Paulie asking him to do something about Tommy, Paulie was reluctant to do anything. Why not? Was he scared of Tommy? Paulie was the head of the crime family, yet Tommy was constantly undermining his authority to hear Paulie talk about it.
That was planned. They wanted Tommy to cause issues so that they could get this owner to ask for help. That’s why it was Henry that planted the idea. They were all in on it.
I had a friend back in the day that was a lot like tomy a member of the local mafia except he hadn't murdered anyone ...he was eventually murdered by an older mobster with two bullets in the heart in a dark alley at the age of 20...may he rest in peace
The families are a collective. The incident occurred in the bar. There were witnesses. It could have been any one of them. In any case, if they want you gone, you're gone.
This falls apart when you consider the time between killing Bats and the trunk smelling like a corpse. If it was a day or two afterwards then that would make sense. I'd wager we they'd all assume Tommy was the prime suspect just based on how the movie projects it.
@@Rjensen2 the title of the video and his indication twards events in the movie suggest otherwise. Thats just flat out wrong and that he agreed with your post demonstrates he was caught with his pants down. If hes talking about real life theres plenty more research that could have been done to create a solid conclusion. Partially referencing real life in relation to the movie to back his movie claim is what he did, and its lazy and not well thought out. 🤷♂️
5:36 Not Billy Bats, It's a photo of Pat The Cat Spiroto a made mad from Philly. I see alot of people make that mistake because they do look alike. Anyway good breakdown.
I don't think there was a snitch. The bosses just figured it out, Tommy was wild and killing everyone and they knew Billy Batts was in Henry's bar the last night he was was seen alive, and so was Tommy. They probably also knew Batts was the kind of guy who would have insulted Tommy to his face.
I think here the point we touch on here is his motivation was clear enough to kill Billy, people knew openly how personally Tommy took things. The other guy was made he wasnt the others couldn't. The only person they could kill and replace with someone who could be made. He knew too much and was at that time too much of a risk.
This was spot on everything said in this even though it wasn't in the movie was accurate as far as the affair with Paul and Karen and the attempted rape of Karen from Tommy. Paulie was furious.
