The great thing about this line of study is that it's not a requirement for salvation. So disagreements and discussions back and forth are good because it helps us dive deeper into our mysterious beginnings. As long as we don't lose sight of the fact that we are all still brothers in the faith and that Christ is our Savior, we'll be ok. I think God would prefer us diving deeper into the scriptures seeking understanding and revelation than watching propaganda on the news and dumbing our brains down watching mindless tv shows. It's great to ask these questions and seek out the answers. Someone on their journey down the rabbit hole will stumble upon our conversations and pick up nuggets that will help along their journey of discovery. God's blessings to you all.
Genesis six says there were giants in the earth in those days, and "ALSO AFTER THAT," seeming to make them of the same nature as those who came before, not NBA players.
I think Doug's point was that many an NBA player is a giant (e.g. - Shaquille O'Neal). Thus, on account of their size alone, some people after the flood were labeled as "Nephilim" ("Anakim," "Rephaim"). And Doug was only explaining that that was one of the views. He mentioned the others as well.
@@ObscurityIsBest well, not only their size but number of fingers. Something beyond just big people seems to be at work here, which casts God's command to kill the Canaanites in a different light. (Not that God ever needs to explain Himself at all.)
@@medicalmisinformation: I agree that there's something else at work. (I don't believe their number of fingers is significant. There are people who have been born in more recent history who have had six digits on each hand and foot.) I personally believe that the book of Jude makes it very clear that the Nephilim are the "hybrid" offspring of a forbidden sexual union between higher spirit beings--who rebelled against God--and human beings. I'm open to the possibility that this kind of illicit union occurred even after the flood which gave rise to the Anakim and Rephaim.
@@ObscurityIsBest I think the number of fingers is significant not because it is impossible for the odd human to have six fingers, but because the author of Samuel makes a point of it.
@@ObscurityIsBest The giant at Gath slain by Jonathan also had six digits per limb. Maybe they were just human mutations who evoked the not as distant memory of the pre-flood giants. I'm not sure either.
You know, a critical reading of Genisis 6 cannot reliably draw a clear connection between the text that references the Nephilim and the text that references the offspring of the "sons of...daughters of man", whose children Scripture refers to as the "gibbor asher olam ish shem" -- "the mighty men who were of old, men of renown"....not giants nor monsters. Without adding in a generous helping of tradition from various sources, a reasoned reading should not draw very many associations at all. But most importantly, no brother in Christ should divide over the interpretation of a mysterious portion of Scripture, which God wrote "intentionally" to be mysterious. The harsh words in the commentary are just not the words a Christian should write, unless one is dealing with heresy or some other communication that contradicts the Gospel of Christ Jesus. Thank you, Pastor Doug, for another calm, reasoned, and thoughtful commentary. God's grace & peace.
But you have to give it a very unnatural reading to disassociate the two. Ignoring it because the implications are so unthinkable is worse. It's why people are confused about the stories in the OT.
Thank you for your measured response on such a controversial topic! A lot of people in my congregation have many (strange) questions about this topic. This video helps me see how to best communicate the truth.
@Josh Jacob that's conjecture, the scriptures doesn't say any such thing. And who give them power to do so. Can you give me any biblical evidence that this happened before except when God does it?
@Josh Jacob still need to get pass everything reproducing after it's own kind. If angels consorted with human women and produced offspring, is it still happening today and if so why not?
The problem with the "Sethite" view is that it's very late and doesn't jive with the views of both the 1st and 2nd temple periods. If you're looking for a detailed analysis of this specific topic, Michael Heiser is a great place to start.
Just another point to note on the Anakim report. It's written in Num 13:32 that the report in 13:33 that connects the Anakim to the Nephilim was an "evil" or "lying" report. The spies (aside from Caleb) didn't want the Israelites to invade the promised land, and so they took the observation of "NBA giants" and exaggerated it to "these are the Nephilim from before the Flood". Said spies were all judged by God and punished with death. So at least in the case of the Anakim, they were definitely not connected to the Nephilim.
I don't think it has to mean that, but is generally regarded as that, because 'in those days" is an obvious reference to the days of Noah. I've heard others argue it doesn't mean that. I think they argue that it means giants were on the earth before angels mated with humans and also after the angels mated. This interpretation makes much less sense, as it raises more questions as to where did the original giants come from, and if the Nephilim are not the offspring of the angels and women, then who was.
One problem is that Genesis 6 doesn't say the Nephilim are the descendants of sons of God, the offspring of angels, just that "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days." It places the intermarriage in a historical time period, just like saying "The US brought in its first Income Tax at the start of WW1" doesn't mean that one caused the other.
If you say a second round of angles came after the flood and God destroyed the earth to get rid of them, God can’t control the angles? If no one can figure this out why were we given this brief scripture in the first place? Perhaps Zechariah Schtzen was right?
The demon angel mating with human women has always confused me. I though angels did not reproduce. And if demon spirits could create babies with humans back then, could they not do it now? I mean the demons are still roaming around amongst us. Right?
To add a little food for thought: 'giants' in a lot of ancient cultures is somewhat ambiguous. The word seems to indicate an unusual status or nature, not just a big person. In Norse culture, a dwarf can be a type of giant. In some Arabic folklore they are cognates for Djinn, a species between physical and spiritual. This should start to sound familiar.
I do not understand how one could read the text in Jude about the angels engaging in sexual immorality, and not conclude that it is a highly likely reference to Genesis 6 as supported by the popular Jewish mythology of the book of Enoch which I'm sure Jude and new testament readers would have been aware of.
1 John 3:1 - Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. I've always taken 'sons of God' as saved believers in the new testament and old testament.
If you read the book of Jobe. Book of Job says that the sons of God are the Angels. In the Book of Job it says that the sons of God came before the Lord and then came Satan.
I think the bible tells us how they came about after the flood. I had a friend who studied the nephilim profusely point this out, so I want to give credit where it is due. It says Nimrod was the first to become a mighty man on the earth, and the hebrew word gaborim is the same as the one that described the nephilim being mighty men on the earth. The problem with the idea of exaggerating the height of of the post-flood peoples is it doesn't account for goliath, Og, and others, as well as the ariels and 6-digit handed relative of Goliath. If you look at what is going on genetically, there were also chimera (also based on mythological references) and the mixing of kinds went on until David pretty much finished them off. Also Amos refers to one of the canaanite races as having the height like that of the cedars. we could say he is speaking hyperbole, but I think its reasonable to think he could have found something closer to their height to compare them to.
Unfortunately the comments below do not reflect the intelligence giving here I've studied a lot on the subject and find his reflection of the situation extremely sound and relevant another great example of this individual's intelligence indeed
Some good stuff from Doug, but there is another possibility. In Genesis 6, God states that He will destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life. Is it possible that the Nephilim were not "flesh" in the strictly human sense? Perhaps they understood some elementary principles that were not immediately available to humans, like the nature of the firmament and how to interact with it. We today think of the firmament as "space", but it is not likely that "space" is what it appears to be.
If not space, then what? Thoughts? There is a reason we have the phrase "break through hat glass ceiling". There is a group of people (elite,) that have knowledge that they are not sharing with the masses. But, God has a way, for those who seek truth, for that truth to come out.
It's definitely relevant when the Lord allows you too see them like me (the craft and the beings shortly after) Men In Black who arrived shortly after. God Bless, He has strengthened me and I have also seen the Light! Hallelujah 🙏
Unto which of the angel said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? Hebrews 1 The angels are not the sons of God But as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to those that believe on his name. John 1:12 Sons of God = Born again BELIEVERS
I think that there is a clue in the book of Enoch, which indicates how the dinosaurs came into existence. { In plain English} Enoch said this about the 200-angels, that they interfered with creatures that God had already created. { like as if they manipulated some unknown genetics unknown to humans, with the Genetics of God creatures which created monsters like the dinosaurs}. But this is how Enoch put it, {very short} They sinned against animals, Beasts, Reptiles, Birds, and Fish". shortly after, Enoch wrote, and the world was changed. Believers already know that the 200- angels fathered the Nephilim, but the big question is. did the 200-angels also create the dinosaurs by genetic manipulation, According to Job 40. God did create one dinosaur, known as the Behemoth Job 40:15-19 So what if the 200-angels tried to manipulate other creatures to try and create their own behemoths, but as it turned out they've stuffed everything up.? "{The word Behemoth in Job 40 is in the singular, not in the plural. Which indicates that God only created one single dinosaur not many dinosaurs} So where did the rest of the dinosaurs come from? {The word dinosaur didn't exist at the time the book of Job was written}
The first, as far as we can see, to definitively deny the sons of God as being angels was Augustine of Hippo of the fifth century, approximately seventy five years after the drafting of the Nicene Creed. Augustine did much to spiritualize the history of the Bible and twist a simple straightforward reading of the Bible. His method of Bible interpretation made a profound impact and his legacy remains even to this day. Many centuries after Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, a doctor of the Catholic Church in the 13th century, quotes in his magnum opus, Summa Theologica, from Augustine’s work City of God (De Civ. Dei xv) concerning the sons of Seth: Google it.
It's simple really, if you're born again and washed by the blood of the lamb you won't be taken in with all this gobbledygook ..Before the lord comes there will be many proclaiming to be the christ and many will be deceived. My advice to you all my fellow humans....turn from your evil ways and be born again and stop opening yourself to the wiles of Satan....time is short.God bless you all and may he open your spiritual eyes so that you may know the secrets of the kingdom.
Where does Scripture say that angels can propagate? It says we shall be like the angels neither marrying or given in marriage. Angels are of male gender but do they have sex organs????
they cant, and God wouldn't have made it as such without directly telling us. The Father Controls All things, nothing made, nothing done that the father isnt aware of.
Not at all saying its not true I know its true im just curious on how that happens giving birth to something that is over 30 feet tall unless we as humans were much more taller than today someone help me out here
How did humans dine with angels unawares? This is what the words say, it's our job to figure it out, but what we can't do, is fool ourselves about what is actually said in the Bible.
Perhaps the Nephilim were able to avoid the dire consequences of the Flood by somehow using their knowledge of the firmament to escape and return after the Flood was finished. This is a "perhaps", but I think it's worth investigating further, along with the ravaged but unrefuted concept of geocentricity.
well I'm curious too. for every thing there's an opposite, some say fallen angels, bible said fallen angels are chained. some say sons of God, others say Jesus is the only begotten son.
I agree with Doug on the second half of analysis, namely, that Nephilim pre- and post- deluge are simply called by the same name, not having the same relation. I also agree the 'sons of God' are fallen angels. One MAJOR oversight of Doug's is that Gen. 6 does not explicitly state that the Nephilim are the offspring of the union of women and the sons of God. It is possible for a very large-statured tribe of people to exist without the injection of the genetic material of supernatural beings.
Except it does??? Gen 6:4 " The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown."
@@JamesTimeCapsule Agreed. These folks twist an interpretation that disconnects the nephilim in the first sentence and the second sentence from the idea in the middle that angels mated with women. It's bonkers. It's abuse of language to disconnect the obvious flow of ideas in these two sentences. They don't want to believe what it says. And they are also satisfied with an interpretation that says nothing about how the original giants got there or who the offspring of angels are women were. In fact people do the exact same thing with the US Constitution in order to avoid what it says too.
The book of Enoch gives a full detailed about the Nephilim. I believe that the Book of Enoch should be read with the Bible. But better still, the book of Enoch can be watched and read along on RU-vid
You don't get to decide the Canon, God does. The book of Enoch is a forgery. Stop letting the devil draw your attention away from Scripture. Read 1 Timothy 1:3-7.
@@bryanjacobs1423 God didn't write the Bible, the church did, to control it's followers, they removed and hid some parts to keep asses in the seats and the coffers full
@@bryanjacobs1423 Whether or not Enoch should be Canon is arguable and Enoch 2&3 are likely late additions. Enoch 1 is very ancient and was widely read and accepted as valid in Jesus' time.
Beware, Patrick Malone, of giving mere men influence over God's precious, blood-bought priority in the Bible's teachings! Follow your Lord, not those that nullify and void it of power!
Sadly, Wilson is one of many who won't read carefully. "There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown." The children were the "mighty, the men of renown." When did this happen? In the days when the "giants," the Nephilim, were on the earth. The passage does not say that the "mighty" and the "giants" are the same people. Very sad.
LOL! You have no basis for ruining the natural continuity of those statements other than that you want to. Each statement sets up the logic for the next. The giants existed---when? In those days when angels mated with women and also after that. who were "those"? "Those" are obviously the giants that existed in the previous sentence, but you choose to only make the connection to angels mating section. So according to you the statement of angels mating was thrown in to the sentence that introduces us to to the giants just for fun to confuse us. What basis do you have contextually to say that "those" does not refer to both the giants and the offspring, which is how anyone would normally read it? Answer: none. The sentence becomes nonsensical if read in a way that no one would read any other sentence.
Angel that fell were 'spirits', not physical 'souls/creatures', which only reproduce 'after their own kind'. Angels can not reproduce; God is sovereign on that as well. Get real, if you believe that God is 'true, and every man a liar', exaggerating the facts continually.
Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father"? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"? Angels were never and will never be the sons of God. Jesus is the son of God and Believers are the sons of God. God never called Angels His sons.
These are preposterous ideas. And for the life of me I don’t understand why, when suggesting that the “sons of God” were simply the rebellious believers of the day, these strict categories are employed; the sons of Seth, daughters of men “all men on one side - woman of the other”. So not necessary. As Scripture says in Matt 24:37-44 the coming last day (at Christ return) will be just as it was in Noah’s day. There is no reason to surmise that Gen.6:1-4 is inclusive of all men and women but is rather indicative of humanity as a whole. The idea of spirits mating with humans violates Gods law of kinds (Gen 1:11,12; 21-25). It’s an impossibility. If the argument is that these fallen angels came in the form of humans (w/ human reproductive organs and fluids) well then we no longer have an angelic/human hybrid explanation for the “giants” which were likely (pre and post flood) simply very tall humans. I’m blown away that so many serious theologians, pastors, apologists hold to this ridiculous unBiblical notion. FInally, fallen angels honoring the Christ picturing ordinance of marriage? No way. The problem is in the misapplication of the word “angel” in the translation of “sons of God”, a better translation of the Hebrew would be “messengers”. With that understanding we see that the “messengers of God” were the unfaithful believers of Noah’s day who coveted and lusted after the world, unequally yokes with unbelievers and the consequence was a complete permeation of sin, wickedness, oppression and injustice. Why is the proper understanding of Gen 6 so important? 1). The idea of fallen angels mating with humans and producing “super humans” serves only one dangerous end - as an off ramp from the gospel into the dazzling allure of the fantastic. So many people are drawn to Gen. 6 and just as quickly away from the Bible into Greek mythology and extra-biblical works like the Book of Enoch and other charismatic nonsense. 2). A proper understanding of Gen 6:1-7 is vital for the church in understanding it’s central role in Gods redemptive program and that just as in Noah’s day the barometer for the state of grace in the world is the church. What is the state of the church today? Is it not coveting after and entering into covenantal bonds with the world? Is the church characterized by great men of renown, rich in the wisdom and philosophies of the world? Hasn’t the church so mangled the gospel of grace from sin and death into a carnal, materialistic means and method to social/ political renewal? The gospel of Jesus Christ is very hard to find in any consistent form. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. 🙏🏾
There is a significant difference between an NBA player and Goliath or Og. Those Old Testament giants were 1.5× or 2× the heights of your average tall male today. I still think you're right, that the Nephilim of the Exodus were not the same as those of the days of Noah, but it is easy to see how the Israelites would get them confused since at least some of the Anakim were double their height.
Based upon the size we're given of his bedstead, even at the smallest cubit length (18"), post-flood _Og of Bashan_ would've been qualitatively larger and altogether different than the biggest men to have ever lived: 13' tall with, most likely, twelve fingers & twelve toes. (Deut 3:11 & 2 Samuel 21:20). At the 20.75" cubit, he'd be close to 16 feet. Why do you say the Exodus Nephilim were not the same as those before? Gen 6:1 states "there were giants in the earth in those days, _and also_ after that." Curious as to your reasoning here.
The answer is found in the Lost Book of Enki written thousands of years before Old Testament. Cuneiform writing is the oldest writing known to man. Written on clay tablets.
Wrong. The incursion has happened many times in many different forms. Satan is and the fallen are master decievers. How and what they do is far beyond human imagination let alone comprehension. Did you actually think that would not continue with their plan regardless of what the punishment was. This was purposefully done with a dying determination. Knowing that some humans survived gave them grounds to do it again and quicker with fewer people. The Annakites sons of Annu where given the name because of who they were not because of how they looked. There was a reason David measured the men he killed in the cities he razed. He was the killer of giants. Goliath was his first. The other 4 smooth stones were for Goliaths 4 brothers.
The nephilim were already in the land in those days when the sons of God took women of men. The offspring of the sons of god and women were a different breed. Not the nephilim
They are the giants in the Bible! Gen 6:4 de 9:2. Jos.11:22. De 2:10,11,20 I Sam 17:41-42 Matt.22:30 heb 1:14 heb 2:2 you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free John 8:32
No where does the Text of Genesis 6 suggest that the Nephilim were the product of the union of the Sons of God & the Daughters of Men. The Text only says they existed already at the time in which the Sons of God & the Daughters of men copulated. The Text is clear in saying that the product of the union were the 'gibbor' or the 'mighty men'. I can't understand why Wilson would not see this. He's too smart to miss it. But, like so many, he misses it.
If angels could create a body of flesh then why would God himself have to become a man? The angels in heaven are sinless beings so why Jesus? This doctrine is a direct assault on the deity of Christ and on His sovereignty. Satan entered a serpent in the garden, why not just become a man? He tempted Jesus in the dessert and of all things he wanted the most was to see a stone turned into bread, why because only God can create. This doctrine you are teaching makes Satan equal with God because he essentially is creating life. There’s a reason why three women are named in the line of Cain. Study the meanings of their names and you’ll know why the sons of God wanted them. The answers to who the sons of God are are in Genesis 4&5. Context, context, and context are the 3 rules of Bible study. You are breaking them all. Any way we look at this a misinterpretation of something this profound is a lie. Someone is wrong and that’s a dangerous place for anyone who claims to be a teacher. Read Deuteronomy 32:43 in the Septuagint. It will lead you to the truth of Genesis 6.
"Ancient myths whether Greek, Hebrew, or Babylonian are "true" they are just not factual" Might I also suggest that you look up the actual meaning of the words "true" and "factual" in the dictionary? - I think you'll find that they are mutually contingent - Lol!! Facts need to be true to be facts, and the truth needs to be factual!
Thomas Mckenna 7 years too late in seeing this but I couldn’t resist.... I hated Star Wars: The Last Jedi so I am a mysoginist bigot. There’s your example! :)
Sorry Doug I’m gonna disagree with you. If you’d look at chapter 4 again you’ll see there is the line of Cain, these were sinful men; they are a result of sin in the garden and they had children. They were where God wanted them, being separate from the other line. Later one of Cains grandsons is proud that he has killed a man after that we see Adam had Seth, at this time it says this is when men began to call upon the name of the Lord so these are the sons of God in His likeness and chapter 5 is dedicated to this line, then we begin chapter 6 seeing men of Cains line multiplied begetting daughters. Obviously this came to the attention of the godly line of Seth who saw they were beautiful, they didn’t look like their sisters or their cousins. The only thing the scripture is pointing out is that they came together at a time when Giants were already there before and after the sons of the godly line took the daughters of men to produce many who became mighty men, they were not like Seth, obviously they were more like Cain and Lamech. This has to be since there is no mention of angels in chapter 4 or 5, preceding the account in chapter 6. But we do know there were giants that were seen by Job and if I am wrong on that and wrong on the other there were also little giants in the line of the Canaanites producing Goliath.
I just do t think that Doug has put a whole lot of thought into the subject because it really isn’t very important considering all the other issues we are dealing with today.
My opinion and a couple dollars can get you a Dr Pepper at the corner store. So I think that a lot of the mythology around the world is based on the nephilim
This dude is wrong , the sons of God are the angels, they cross breededout of line of which God has in order. Angelic being, human beings..that is why they are cast into darkness in chains reserved for lake of fire...
Truth and fact are two different things when speaking of myth. truth can mean fact but not always. Truth does not need to be factual just ask any historian, Philospher, or just anyone with a BA.
Angels fallen or not, are spiritual beings therefore they can interact with humans as in having offspring. Look up the word giant in Hebrew ? The sons of God WERE of the line of Seth of which came Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, king David then Christ. The sons of men were the wicket ie Lawless son of Satan. This is what’s spoken of in scripture as the elect remnant, and the reprobate wicket. The seed of the woman ie Christ & the seed of Satan.
Now are you ready to hear who the Nephilim Giants are then see h5303 in strong’s concordence that is where you find the word Nephilim. Now for the answer turn to numbers 13:33 the same giants named Nephilim are the sons of Anak. Then go to deut. 1:28 then just follow each reference. The bible intreprets the bible. This is why you much study. The bible says precept upon precept, here alittle there alittle, line upon line, line upon line. Isaiah 28:10 that is God telling us how to study his word. If you listen to man then you will be led down the wrong road. God wrote the bible, go to him and his word for the answer not a man.
Do not accept as inspired the vain imaginations of men who make their sole reputations on being "Bible experts"... God has given YOU a precious, personal salvation to work out "fearfully", as Peter says! Don't give a mere man, sitting in a comfortable chair before a library of human works ANY advantage over your own personal reading of God's Word! Please read Jude for yourself to see the careless error made by 'scholars' who pimp eachother in public...think "Pharisee" and "Sadducee", and follow your Lord Jesus Christ in His attitude and behavior toward them. Jude, in verses 5-7, associates three different groups by their common answer of rebellion against the sovereign lordship of God, rather than the loyal obedience they owed Him: 1) The adult generation that left Egypt was culled in a forty-year "wilderness wandering" for their rejection of His plain direction to recover Canaan from its God-forsaking inhabitants (the only two men of faith from that generation, Caleb and Joshua, were kept alive to later enter and occupy their grants of property); 2) those individual angels who agreed with Satan in mutiny against the throne of God were thrown out of their places and positions into a confinement until their judgement; and, 3) the ruthless men of "the plains", whose perverse society willingly subverted the obligation to neighbor-love, making deadly moral cesspits of their own towns--for which their society was purged with fire. Faithless rebellion and idolatry of self-will is the thread stringing these groups together, NOT some sexual fantasy!There could be no hybridization between such fundamentally different beings as angels and mankind; angelic spirits have not the inclination to reproduce that is common to biological creatures, or the requisite "seed" or the "plumbing" necessary for sowing it into a given biological vessel! The parameters of agreement between men and angels were in terms of their wills only, with which they COULD conspire together--and DID, as proven with Satan and Adam in the Garden. Consider this: Knowing the corrupting and destructive power of politics from your own experience of the world we live in today, how much worse do you think it would have been between men who lived not for a mere 70 years in society, but for 700 years! A monstrous Hitler has captured lasting notoriety for thoughts and deeds lasting less than twenty years; what towering renown would you think such a person could gain over a career of hundreds of years? THOSE were "titans" and "giants" in that world, as we sometimes even term them today in our own. And their physical bearing most certainly grew more grotesque with their progress (just look at the 'Rolling Stones' today, compared to 50 years ago! Ha! Ha!). I am not denying, because Scripture won't permit me, that imposing physical giants marauded about in the first world, and later in the early eras of our own world. But PHYSICAL giants result from sexual relations between human beings, not from conspiracies with fallen angels! The monstrous 'teachers' that want control over your relationship to God in Christ, THESE are the ones Jude indicates are "born" of a spirit other than the Holy Spirit of God, through Whom His children are born again!
"There's something big going on there" - sure there is! It's called gullibility. Big gullibility. You strain at theological gnats and swallow stone age camels. Come on! Had there been giants, there would also be archeological remains to substantiate this claim. Face it, you are all quibbling about stone-age myths.
Hey, I'm not a big "youtube arguer" so don't be upset at me. There are some remains though that seem to point to these claims. However the scientific community would not widely expose this. Check out L.A. Marzulli and let me know what you think.
What of the megafauna? why wouldn't there be giant humans as well (even regardless of angelic/demonic component)? People would have laughed until less than 10 years ago bone fragments of one giant 'High Arctic' camel were found. It's just that there were few giant humans, and no remains have been found yet (won't you afford science the chance to progress?). Even so we do have written history which science would support as highly feasible if not probable through the finding of many different kinds of giant mammals/creatures including camels, elephants, tigers, wombats, sloths, wolves, armadillos, whales etc and also birds not to mention the famous reptiles. Yet you are certain giant humans are a myth. You are biased and thinking with a closed mind.
+John Scooby no bones if the Smithsonian can help it. There is one place they havent been able to confiscate the remains of some strange species. look up Peruvian skulls.
I subscribe towards the line of Seth. Mainly because Angels, though they can appear human, don't take on an entirely new nature like God does in Christ. I think the reason why you had giants then and not now is because sin was fairly new, or at least the affects of sin were. Perhaps this is the first situation of sexual immorality on the part of God's loyal people, who then turned from God to partake in immorality in contrast to the line of Cain where they were raised that way. The result being worldly offspring, or children that were more of the flesh (giants) because their parents were chasing the flesh rather than the spirit. But again, that's just my two cents.
I simply see these sons of God as the people of God, and they mated with the daughters of men and produced, not literal giants but mighty men. Basically just strong men, strong nations; “ men of renown “ not devils mating with women lol. I mean come on. The fullness of scripture does not attest to this whatsoever. There is not a passage in my mind that talks of devils having seed and being physically embodied.
Canon Press just to be clear, I’m not saying there wasn’t really y’all and big people. Aka giants. My dispute is the angels mating with men that are the cause of “ supernatural “ offspring that ends with giants. We see Goliath for example as a giant. But I don’t see that correlating back to pre flood. As Doug said himself, pre flood and post flood “ nephlim “ aren’t necessarily the same type of so called giant. Just because someone’s big and tall doesn’t mean they’re traced back to some supernatural angel offspring. That’s all I’m saying
Canon Press and I mean, Joshua and Caleb see the people in the land and they say that they’re like grasshoppers compared to them. I don’t take that to mean they were the size of grasshoppers and that the people were beyond gigantic. Obviously you prob wouldn’t take it like that either, so when I quoted the “ men of renown “ text, my point was being drawn from that notion as well that the meaning there isn’t supernatural devil offspring but just Gods people mating with women and those offsprings were mighty men, strong and even tyrants as the word could also be translated.
I don't have a dog in this fight (eg, demi-god nephilim are not connected with the postmill view of the endtimes or anything, which seems to drive a lot of evangelical giant craziness). But with that said, I do care a lot about what the text says, and I think you're stretching interpretation to fit your preconceived assumptions of "giants" meaning nothing more than "NBA-size warriors." Goliath is over nine feet tall, and that's connected to his family line (Anak; cf Jos 11:22), which is connected back to the race of giants, presumably the Nephilim (Num 13:33). The interpretation of "giant" to mean *unnaturally* large human -- not Saul-size -- seems unavoidable. Whether the sons of God are angels or just the sons of Seth is open to interpretation as well (hence the qualifications in this video), but we see that Jude seems to connect the fallen angels with the sexual sin of "lusting after strange flesh" (note the "even as" conjunction in Jude 6 and 7). It gets even weirder when you point out that the name Nephilim appears to mean "fallen" (at least according to the rabbis). And, of course, the plain Genesis 6 reading is that actual giants came from this parentage -- giants whose family line could be tracked all the way down until Israel wiped out the Philistines. Again, no vested interest here other than reading the Bible the way it's written.
A lot of junk teaching on this . Fallen Angels cannot manifest themselves in our time and space . They have to process a living body . Those who teach they were fallen angels really go against the biblical truth. If fallen angels ( demons) could do it than they would still be doing it now . Imagine the chaos .
@@matsumoku1 Zero scripture .for what you just said . In fact scripture says there were giants before it even mention NEPHILIM Reading in context The NEPHILIM were gainers not fallen angels .
All things that breathe were killed in the flood including the Nephilim, however, the spirits of the Nephilim were not allowed in Paradise by God since He did not create them (this was mentioned in Enoch, Jasher and Jubilees) their spirits had to roam the earth until The Judgement. Spirits, however, can indwell animals and people. Sasquatch today are probably Giganto who made a deal with the Nephilim spirits to indwell them in exchange for the Nephilim super angelic powers.
@@PilgrimNinja Dear Confused Pilgrim Jim Lynch ... "blaspheme much?" ... PLEASE QUOTE THE SCRIPTURE OF GOD THAT I BLASPHEMED! If you can't ... you are just throwing stones at someone who knows the Scriptures better than you do. A watchman of His Word .... Peter
what was the first question in the bible, and was it relevant. seeing as Jesus alludes to the same type of questions. my point is men dont know how to rightly divide.
Do not accept as inspired the vain imaginations of men who make their sole reputations on being "Bible experts"... God has given YOU a precious, personal salvation to work out "fearfully", as Peter says! Don't give a mere man, sitting in a comfortable chair before a library of human works ANY advantage over your own personal reading of God's Word! Please read Jude for yourself to see the careless error made by 'scholars' who pimp eachother in public...think "Pharisee" and "Sadducee", and follow your Lord Jesus Christ in His attitude and behavior toward them. Jude, in verses 5-7, associates three different groups by their common answer of rebellion against the sovereign lordship of God, rather than the loyal obedience they owed Him: 1) The adult generation that left Egypt was culled in a forty-year "wilderness wandering" for their rejection of His plain direction to recover Canaan from its God-forsaking inhabitants (the only two men of faith from that generation, Caleb and Joshua, were kept alive to later enter and occupy their grants of property); 2) those individual angels who agreed with Satan in mutiny against the throne of God were thrown out of their places and positions into a confinement until their judgement; and, 3) the ruthless men of "the plains", whose perverse society willingly subverted the obligation to neighbor-love, making deadly moral cesspits of their own towns--for which their society was purged with fire. Faithless rebellion and idolatry of self-will is the thread stringing these groups together, NOT some sexual fantasy! There could be no hybridization between such fundamentally different beings as angels and mankind; angelic spirits have not the inclination to reproduce that is common to biological creatures, or the requisite "seed" or the "plumbing" necessary for sowing it into a given biological vessel! The parameters of agreement between men and angels were in terms of their wills only, with which they COULD conspire together--and DID, as proven with Satan and Adam in the Garden. Consider this: Knowing the corrupting and destructive power of politics from your own experience of the world we live in today, how much worse do you think it would have been between men who lived not for a mere 70 years in society, but for 700 years! A monstrous Hitler has captured lasting notoriety for thoughts and deeds lasting less than twenty years; what towering renown would you think such a person could gain over a career of hundreds of years? THOSE were "titans" and "giants" in that world, as we sometimes even term them today in our own. And their physical bearing most certainly grew more grotesque with their progress (just look at the 'Rolling Stones' today, compared to 50 years ago! Ha! Ha!). I am not denying, because Scripture won't permit me, that imposing physical giants marauded about in the first world, and later in the early eras of our own world. But PHYSICAL giants result from sexual relations between human beings, not from conspiracies with fallen angels! The monstrous 'teachers' that want control over your relationship to God in Christ, THESE are the ones Jude indicates are "born" of a spirit other than the Holy Spirit of God, through Whom His children are born again!
