Why a Prepurchase Is Needed - Grumman Style

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Why a Prepurchase Is Needed - Grumman Style: Here is a perfect example of why you should not just focus on purchase price of a plane without a good prepurchase by a knowledgeable shop. It can literally save you a ton on money. This video shows a plane that needed to be scrapped for a host of reasons because of repairs either done wrong or hiding yet another issue. Video 681 in the Hit Parade.

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@RaysDad Год назад

Surprising that the owner got 18 years of service out of this Cheetah.

@GrummanPilots Год назад

Planes are over engineered for their work. Lots of safety built in, but you have to inspect them to make sure.

@latlon42 5 лет назад

Roscoe is spot on about getting a good pre-purchase inspection done. When I delivered my Tiger to Fletchair in sept 17 for a performance problem and a couple of tiny fuel leaks they discovered my horizontal stabilizer bracket was cracked in three places. A good grumman shop would have found this on the pre-purchase inspection.

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Right on

@AClark-gs5gl 2 года назад

We are seriously considering the purchase of a 1973 AA-5 that is currently owned by a friend of ours. We also have a friend that's an A&P. A blessing really! Really happy to see such a channel, as I'm sure it will come in handy in the very near future. Of course...SUBSCRIBED and will now binge watch all of your videos referencing the AA-5.

@GrummanPilots 2 года назад

Thanks for the kind words. Enjoy them all!

@billwood4182 5 лет назад

WOOOOWWWW ! I don't know if I want a Grumman now. Thanks for sharing this informative video

@paulstein7369 4 года назад

After looking at other styles of wing/spars, Id take a Grumman. Beechcraft are way crazier in price for parts. Piper has way more problems with corrosion. Grummans are simple, great parts interchange ,easily maintained, leads to more maintenance...usually.

@sirtraineewhat576 4 года назад

Grumman are great planes. This one just hadn't been properly maintained

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Many other types suffer from this as well

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Glad you liked it

@johnhoon7069 3 года назад

It almost looks like this guy repaired it in his garage and then sold it

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

May have been the case, so get a good inspection prior to purchase.

@johnhoon7069 3 года назад

@@GrummanPilots what's the best way to pick a flight school or is there any one thing that you really need to watch out for

@descent815 5 лет назад

OMG! Thank God you guys caught all this. Shady workmanship to say the least. Annual? Like 20 yrs ago. It’s a miracle that the owners of this plane didn’t die.

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Glad you liked it

@VMCAviationVideos 5 лет назад

There are still a unbelievable amount of pilots out there who buy airplanes without a Pre-buy Inspection.

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

I know

@jjohnston94 3 года назад

You would be amazed. I'm trying to buy a Citabria right now, and I'm such a fool, I'm asking the seller for the logbooks while somebody else is writing a check. I've missed out on 5 or 6 by now.

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

@@jjohnston94 Oh I believe it, they are a hot item right now. Best of luck finding one

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

When I bought my first plane, I though buying it from a mechanic was a good idea and did not get a prepurchase. First annual was fun.

@GrummanPilots Год назад

Join the club, I bought my Traveler in 1991 from a mechanic and it came with a fresh annual! First annual the inspection covers still had paint on the screws unbroken from being painted 2 years ago. Some annual.

@wntu4 Год назад

Pardon me, my jaw is on the floor here somewhere and I need to go look for it.

@GrummanPilots Год назад

It does happen occasionally, FYI, this was an extreme case with multiple wrongs, that is why it is out as a warning video.

@garytucker8049 5 лет назад

Plus one for everyother year or so getting the annual performed by a Grumman specalist!

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Yep

@danbushman7509 5 лет назад

That's crazy. Criminal endangerment.

@ctsteve1967 4 года назад

No it is not

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

I agree

@bigbossjc4117 5 лет назад

I'm pretty sure this plane was a couple flights away from mid air disassembly.

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Maybe

@1compaqedr8 4 года назад

Building a new experimental sounds better and better...

@ctsteve1967 4 года назад

Except for time. Two to Three years for a Zenith. But if you have the time go for it. But What do you want Slow or Fast? To each there own path. Experimental is growing very very Fast but you will spend a lot on Building your own. And time. But it will be new. And you will learn a lot.

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

That is an option

@P3photo 2 года назад

The only Grumman Shop that I know of is Fletchair. Please enlighten us if there is more.

@GrummanPilots 2 года назад

There are more, Us at Yankee Aviation, Jimmy at Mid Atlantic Yankee Aviation, and Cascade aviation in 7S5, Oregon.

@sierrafoxtrotgolf3638 3 года назад

Scary!

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Happens more than we know.

@chrisrains2316 Год назад

Are most corrosion issues mostly with the older 70s built Tigers? I thought I read that 90s run and 2000s run of Tigers had improved corrosion protection.

@GrummanPilots Год назад

They did from 1978 on. AGAC used the wrong salt solution to make the fabric fire resistant and that caused corrosion inside.

@goneflying140 5 лет назад

Lucky the plane didn't come apart in flight!!

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Yes

@donjennings2975 5 лет назад

Wow, that was a bad accident waiting to happen.

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

YES

@sierraone9181 5 лет назад

Wow that must have been parked on the beach

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Nope

@honorharrington4546 4 года назад

This is exactly why something like a Kitfox is becoming more attractive to new pilots. Much closer scrutiny means it is harder for shit like this to fly.

@ctsteve1967 4 года назад

If you build a new plane you can take care of it your self/ a lot of guys avoid annuals for years at a time.

@scotabot7826 4 года назад

You took the words right out of my mouth. That's the way I'm leaning. Kitfox or a Rans S-7 or S20. Built it yourself, and you have a brand new airplane that you know every inch of, and every nut and bolt. There are a lot of older airplanes out there flying, that are a accident waiting to happen. Sad, but True!!!!!

@toadman506 3 года назад

@@ctsteve1967 You still need to do an annual conditional inspection, essentially the same as an Annual for a certified Aircraft

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

One option

@jimallen3392 3 года назад

Another requirement for buying an airplane: a head exam, preferably by a licensed psychiatrist.

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Same can be said for boats!

@ctsteve1967 4 года назад

Can you put that airplane back together now that you took it apart? If so why? knowing so many problems

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Yes

@buzzz241 Месяц назад

Can these spars be replaced? Will this airplane ever fly again? Can you find enough replacement parts?

@russoley8995 27 дней назад

My guess is it would been more costly to fix than it was worth, I dont see anything saying what happen as it was years ago.

@GrummanPilots 13 дней назад

Yes they can figure 4 - 5 man days of work to do.

@jimallen3392 3 года назад

"Nothing was documented in the logbooks." Hmmm. Is this a surprise?

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

No really, but we see planes that someone should have called out the errors prior to us.

@crazyc99 3 года назад

I'm thinking of buying an AA1A in Virginia, do you know of anyone out there who can do a pre purchase? The plane looks cherry! But I want to make sure

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Virginia is only 2 hours away by flight, bring the plane to us at KHAO.

@crazyc99 3 года назад

@@GrummanPilots Thank you ... however the seller just dropped off the radar and wouldn't respond... not sure why so I'm gonna keep looking

@joem5639 Год назад

I’m in the process of buying a 76’ cheetah. We’ll fly it to FletchAir for prebuy. They want it for 2 days to do a proper inspection which isn’t practical for us. Can a good prebuy be done in 1 day?

@GrummanPilots Год назад

Not if you want to look everywhere and see it all. We tell folks 17-23 hours depending on condition of their plane.

@joem5639 Год назад

@@GrummanPilots Thank you for your reply. I’ll have to see if I can make a 2 day prebuy inspection work out.

@garymiller5624 3 месяца назад

Absolutely! Possibly the less maintenance prone aircraft in it's Time

@mitchfountain6523 3 года назад

How does the FAA see this and not go back to the shop that did the annual? Big fine, pull the license, whatever?

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

They may have a hard time finding the owner or mechanic responsible.

@mitchfountain6523 3 года назад

@@GrummanPilots Someone signed it, no?

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

@@mitchfountain6523 Yes someone did.

@djcheek9934 4 года назад

And yet the owner flew it for 18yrs. Fix it. Keep it flying.

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

I know

@dojoswitzer Год назад

Do any sellers refuse a pre-purchase inspection? I mean, what percentage of sellers refuse?

@GrummanPilots Год назад

Lately in this market several do. Someone will offer money right there, get the keys and paperwork and go.

@chrisrains2316 Год назад

@@GrummanPilots Can a good inspection be accomplished via a borescope? I mean to identify potential issues without a complete teardown.

@GrummanPilots Год назад

@@chrisrains2316 Not completely, some things need the tear down to be seen.

@KaDaJxClonE 4 года назад

Jeez. Hope this plane got put in the shredder or donated to a A&P school so students can practice breaking stuff.

@GrummanPilots 4 года назад

The plane did get scrapped for parts.

@stefandwoodham 5 лет назад

People that sold it should be in jail

@ctsteve1967 4 года назад

Why would you say that. Buyer Beware as always

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

FAA Tried to find them. See "A Brief History of Roscoe" video for an update. Right side of the living.

@par5eagles 5 лет назад

Looks like off the book "home maintenance" to me? scary.

@ctsteve1967 4 года назад

Happens all the time. Cost of annuals play a big a big part just the way it is

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Some folks are really happy with 25o dollar annuals.

@farhanfouadacca 2 года назад

Do you offer services in Canada?

@GrummanPilots 2 года назад

We could if need be.

@farhanfouadacca 2 года назад

@@GrummanPilots Great. I’ll get in touch if I end up buying one.

@darrylday30 Год назад

I’m a Canadian AME (aircraft mechanic) but I don’t have any experience on Grumman aircraft. I’m looking for an expert to do a pre-purchase or at least guide me through the process.

@ctsteve1967 4 года назад

is buying a Grumman today worth it? How Much is a Pre Purchase?

@sirtraineewhat576 4 года назад

Usually in the neighborhood of 600 to 800 ish

@toadman506 3 года назад

Depends, WAY more important is to make sure the Pre-Purchase is done by someone with NO Ties to the seller, Broker, or anyone who had regularly worked on the aircraft in the past. the Savvy Aviation channel on YT Addresses Pre-Buys, and what to look for, as well as what to run away from

@GrummanPilots 3 года назад

Always

@dojoswitzer Год назад

@@sirtraineewhat576 Not as terrifying as I imagined. Is that price holding?