Why A Total War Saga Troy FAILED 

The Trojan War is actually a story from the "Great Bronze Age Collapse" period. I think they should expand the scope and make a game like "Bronze Age Total War" with Hittites, The Sea Peoples and of course ancient Egypt.

one really confusing aspect was the no naval, it is something that CA keeps moving away from, but even this game which is meant to be just a test bed game, they could have used assets from rome 2, with the ships, just make them a bit smaller and more bronze age looking and boom naval is done, it is strange that you got a map of greece that is mostly water yet no naval combat at all, and if they wanted to really go for good points they could have when the myth expansion came out done mithical sea monsters

They made a game based on greek mythology and there aren't naval battles. Said all.

I still maintain Troy has the best battle maps in the series.

Troy failed for one reason. It released on Epic. I have several friends who were so pissed about that. Like 3 people didn't even want it FOR FREE. That was a big statement.

I think that part of the problem was that it wasn't something that people were asking for. So many historical players are itching for Medieval 3, Empire 2, or Shogun 3 that they were disappointed by the initial reveal of Troy. I don't know, just throwing my thoughts out there.

The big thing for me is the fact that it leans heavily into the “mythos”. Like, i get it- fantasy makes money but I want a grounded, more realistic empire or victoria total war game or a Rome 3 that isnt shit like Rome 2 or even medieval 3. For a lot of historical fans this could have been a great bronze age game but we just said “fuck this I dont want heros that can kill thousands of men and eat arrow and sword damage like its cake”

Troy has a lot of good/cool things going for it. I just cannot get over how bafflingly terrible unit collision is, combat animations, and battles in general just feeling so flaccid.

It failed for me because the battles were weird and too fast, no unit colision and unit mass, animations were not engaging and damage done was off balance. if the battles got a overhaul making it more tactically apeallling and slower with realistic animations, with more consequences in enganging the wrong units it would be an amazing total war. Sad that the arcade style got over the game design.

Great video as always Andy, I see your points. My theory is that CA held back Troy on purpose because of the exclusivity release on Epic. What the heck is a "truth behind the myth"? Myth players would never be happy with a historic ancient game that's slow paced, and historic players is also confused by the myth-focused game mechanics. I think CA deliberately saved the full myth DLC for the Steam release to try and drum up hype, but by then it was too late. Players don't want to pay full price for a 1 year old game on Steam, and free players don't want to pay for the DLC on Epic (players like me). It's a good game otherwise, mythos mode made it very fun and I thoroughly enjoyed the stylized UI design. But a good game ruined by terribad financial decisions. If they hadn't try to have their cake and eat it too and released the Steam version + mythos for maybe $15-20 and the Epic mythos DLC for $5, perhaps the game would have been revived.

I got it for free, but I seriously got bored after 20 turns lmao

Troy felt confused, that's why I think it flopped so hard, they didn't know if they wanted to appeal to the more recent fans or the hardcore historicals. I really disliked the trade system, felt too RTS like, something you would see in AoE rather than TW. That with the lack of weight in the combat, the stats focused (a bit understandable) battles and the art direction were the nails in the coffin. Thank you for the review, Andy! A lot of us take for granted why something sucks or its great, but few really dissectionate it, so thanks again for it and keep going!

If they reduce the cost of the complete edition by a decent amount then it would sell well.

To me, its the "everyone is greek" issue. Especially considering the game is set in ancient history, where you don't even have a lot of history to differentiate factions, it kinda makes everyone feel the same. I would be more interested if they added Egyptians, Phoenicians, Scythians, etc, all with distinct cultures.

I loved this game and payed 0 dollars for it. I play almost all my modern games on Steam but put all my time in this one on Epic. I do question releasing Mythos so damn close to Warhammer 3 though. I'm a weirdo and thought Historical Mode was the best way to play. I wish there was a way to see the Epic playerbase. I still want a real historical game though, not a mode that's an afterthought to a fantasy or half-fantasy version like you say. edit: I did buy the Ajax and the Memnon DLCs though, I really liked Memnon a lot and Ajax has a fun start.

Troy is amazing, but you're so right about the pricing letting it down.

Taking the Steam player count for Troy isn't really fair, most if not almost all players got it on Epic I love it and it's one of my favourite TW games, it's by far the most beautiful in every aspect imo (graphics, UI, music) and I enjoy the diverse factions mechanics I feel like people who hate it didn't really play it for the most part, or just played a few turns when it came out and expected either a Rome 2 in Bronze Age or a Warhammer lite, which it isn't I didn't buy the Mythos DLC bc it's fucking too expensive and I don't need it, I just prefer to play Warhammer if I want magic and monsters. Historical mode is meh, so I prefer the vanilla Truth Behind the Mytho mode which is honestly not too bad imo

What killed my experience was a lack of roleplay variety - you are almost always either Greek or Trojan, with Amazons/Thracians/Egyptians on the side as one-off factions. Yes, I do play Total War for the strategy, but... I think another big attraction to the series for me is the spectacle + stories you can create within the game that allow your imagination to be swept away. Total War has never really been _that_ complicated a game, it's mostly just a series of juicy experiences that make you feel good (e.g. expanding your empire across the campaign map, doing the perfect cavalry charge that wipes away a tough unit in a battle). The big Total War games that cover a lot of ground - such as Warhammer, Rome, Medieval, Empire - I think were popular for this reason; there were so many ways you could roleplay your campaign experience with a truly diverse range of units that actually felt different rather than just be reskins of a limited type (e.g. it was hilarious to conquer Europe as a Native Indian tribe, or encounter a couple of small as heck galleys from the Barbary States in Empire: TW... yet have them murder your big western ships because they simply had a couple of big ass cannons that tore through you - you had no equivalent to that sort of thing and it was brilliant). I thought the Amazonian + Memnon/Rhesus DLCs were the best they'd done for Troy as it just started to open up the player to the many possibilities that a bronze age-themed Total War title could have given the player and introduce other cultures that were really different from Greeks + Trojans. But even so, you could not really visit their true homelands and conquer them (Thrace + Amazonia were further north-east, and Egypt/Ethiopia/Canaan were further south-east) - the opportunities to roleplay their cultures was extremely limited. Also, their unit rosters weren't all that different either; the unit classes remained mostly intact.

My biggest problem with this and other TW games is that armies can roam all over the place without having to worry about supply and logistics. I absolutely hate it when enemies armies march or sail across from who knows where and land on my shores and start sacking and razing cities in my rear when the couple armies I can afford are too far away to intervene in time.

Troy has THE BEST battle maps in series - cool and detailed

This game was great as my first Total War. Well, I got it for free. Felt like a combo of Great RT Battles with Civilization mechanics. Played Odysseus as my first. Came back when Mythos came out and finished a Hector and Menelaus campaign. Had fun, but I don't feel like coming back to the game.

Total war should bring out medieval 3 as it will save this franchise. Core gamers of total war were actually players who like historical game and not mythical game. They wanted wider audience by releasing mythical gaming into total war but ended with nothing. Look at the numbers of their series in shogun, rome and medieval. Medieval was so fun because you had so many option of factions to play with and each faction was unique in their own way.

You gotta remember with the steam player count of troy, a lot of people probobly have it on epic as it was given for free and it came out first on there

I have been playing totalwar games since the beginning and I feel TW Troy is one of the best TW games ever made. It just looks and plays so well and feels like it had a solid design direction. The Sofia team does really good work I will be looking forward to their next project.

Well you started by pointing the Steam charts...but when the game come out on Steam most already have played and a lot on Epic for more than a year, we even got the for free if you got on first day. Resuming taking the Steam charts for this game doesnt mean much.

For me the fact I missed it for free by a few hours meant I was never going to pay for it at the prices they wanted. It left the impression that it was either: A) not good, like thrones of Britannia B) I would be paying for something everyone had for free. Considering I didn't like Epics scummy practices anyway and resent giving them money it was never on the list. By the time it came to steam I'd forgotten about it - a usual story for the epic exclusives.

It failed so hard it collapsed the Bronze Age.

I really enjoy Troy and agree it's an underappreciated gem, but disagree it was a big failure. Compared against the previous entry in the saga series, Thrones of Britannia, Troy got over a year of paid dlc. Thrones got nothing, which suggests it was a sales flop. I would have liked to see a few more lord packs to fill out some empty areas, but the game got more content than I was expecting given the decision to do an epic exclusive. I also want a bronze age total war like you mention towards the end, but I don't think that sort of map expansion towards Mesopotamia was ever in the cards for Troy even if had been an extremely good seller. Who knows, maybe CA will give us a stand alone bronze age historical title.

I just got back into total war recently and I’m really loving your videos, they got me really up to date with what’s going on with the total war community and CA

I'm one of those 7 million people who added the game to my Epic library on day one and then totally forgot about it's existence lol

I agree, Troy really didn't reach its full potential, though I see a different reason why: They fully neglected to implement the main objective of the game (in the default campaign mode). I grabbed it for free and gave Achilles a go. A "proper" way to play him would probably have been to go raid the enemy territories. Except, even for a specialised raiding faction like him, it still doesn't make a lot of sense. You spend several turns to go somewhere, you then get to raid maybe one or two settlements, at which point you'd have to consider going back home, again spending several turns doing so. Meanwhile expanding the same way as you'd do in any other TW is heavily incentivised. As a result, I conquered much of northern Greece, which was a bit too easy. The rest of the coalition, as well as the Trojans, go ahead and sail back and forth and fight each other with neither side making much gains. I still tried to stick to the objectives one gets in the game, as I actually wanted to get the Ilias experience, so I finally sailed over and started raiding, especially given that my hero had the abilities necessary for my troops to regen outside of friendly territory. But it wasn't as much fun as I'd hoped, and the moment where my bubble burst was when I conquered the city Helen was in. I had no idea what to do with her, and after googling realised I couldn't do anything with her. In other words: She wasn't properly implemented in the game except for Paris and Menelaos. This was plain silly, and I stopped playing. On the plus side, I loved several aspects, especially the bronze, stone, wood and gold trading system. They should consider having similar resource systems in all games going forward. I also loved the heroes. I actually liked the semi historical, semi mythological gameplay. For me this wasn't a contradiction, it fits the setting and the source material perfectly. We do have a lot of historical and archeological evidence of the time, and I like them taking the myths and trying to represent them in a grounded way, as many myths do have a grain of truth to them.

Using steam figures for troy is misleading, as a lot of people (including myself) play it on epic where we were able to get it absolutely free

I have to many TW games and I only have so much time. I have barely been able to give time to any of the games of late. Troy will eventually get my time.

Troy was one of the first big Epic Game Store exclusives and was for free in first day after release. That makes Steam numbers highly misleading. Milions of people got the game for free on another platform and did not buy it elswhere. Of course, only a percent (1% is 75k) of them were relly into it, but that is a lot of players. I still play it on Epic and it was the main reason I even made and Epic account. It was also a Saga title, so smaller in scope by design - and still got a lot of attention and expansions. Compare it with other Saga's (Fall of the Samurai and Thrones of Brittania), not the main titles.

to me it feels like instead of trying to make total war a better experience to play they focus on making it easier to produce. for me keeping the magic ability to just run up to a wall and climb it, either like spiderman like in shogun 2 or magically summoning a giant ladder or grappling hook kind of ruin siege battles that and the throw torches or punch a gate till it breaks. and the fact that they seem set to not bring back naval combat into games or any actually fun and innovative things. empire had issues but at least it introduced a number of new things. naval combat was amazing the scale of the campaign was exciting, the ability to deploy defenses in a field battle or have your troops use stone walls or buildings as cover for firing positions was all great ideas and made battles more dynamic in its way.

Going by steam stats isn't a great measure, as Troy was free on Epic at release

Quite a nice positive overview, I made an Epic account in order to grab Troy for free but never actually ended up playing it. I might take a look at it sometime with the Mythos addition. The initial marketing for it just demoralised me really hard, cannot quite remember what it was specifically but I was just not excited for the game.

Why did it failed so hard? Pulls out list: 1. Epic store, Epic keeps trying to "provide competition" for steam but fails at it MISARABLELY with a inferior store (remember this MODERN GAME STORE didnt even have a shopping cart of all things, EVEN WEDSITES DO THAT) and instead of trying to do better they just POUCH exclusives and give out free games. 2. Truth behind the myth, as noted this mode did not satisfy ANYONE when the game launched, if you going to do something like that, COMMIT TO IT, don't half ass it. Like 3 kingdoms, the "records" mode is considered the most stripped down mode, then Mythos came out and just like 3kingdoms "Romance" mode its considered the best part because it leans into the Troy myths, SPEAKING OF, 3. Mythos pricing, Troy is 40 dollars (fair enough), Mythos which is considered THE BEST PART OF THE GAME is 25 dollars, thats over HALF the price of the game itself. (a total of 65 dollars for JUST THAT). I don't care if they gave this game out for free that is nutz, mythical units and some cosmetic effects to both the map and battle map, really adds to the Troy Myth immersion. But i doubt its worth paying 25 bucks for. 4. Same problems as Warhammer/ modern TW games, Heros are tanky as all hell and can rekt/distract the enemy army while the rest of your troops murder them or pelt them from a distance. Meanwhile your troops really cant deal with heros besides pelting them to death. Also every single city has a ARMY SIZED garrison waiting for you so instead of being a rofl stomp after beating the enemy armies it turns into a SLOG as you siege city after city. 5. Unit Traits, Who though it was a good idea to include traits like "Unflankable"? Let alone "Unflankable" and "Unbrakeable" on the same unit. It really takes away from "using Tactics" against your enemy.

The music in the backround reminds me of "Brother Bear" and im crying now...

I love Troy. Its arguably the best looking TW game, the best performance, the best blood mechanic. What I hated was the campaign tbh I wish there was a mortal empire version of it

Nice review. I like this game also and wish they had broadened the scope as you mentioned to Assyria/Mesopotamia and Egypt as well. :( I've been wanting a bronze age total war for some time and we got one a little bit but I wish it was more.

Your only data is from steam charts, not Epic store which gave away those 7M copies, i played a lot with a friend is a great game, you should probably try to meassure the Epic version with how many people is playing it online, thought i dont know if it would be an accurate assesment.

The two big problems with Troy were just what you said - exclusive release on the Epic Game Store for a full year, and the compromise between history and fantasy instead of making either feel truly satisfying. The price to get the true game experience that required the Mythos DLC was just the awful coup de grace to the game's chances. Fixing an obviously idiotic game design choice should never require an expensive DLC.

Troy is amazing, especially if you are familiar with the source material. I will never understand the 100% history or mythology purists what matters is if the game is good and it is the best Total War since Shogun 2. Not to mention it seems like an absolute labour of love, they even did the Shield of Achilles.

I'm playing Troy with Radious mod and a couple other tweaks and it's great fun. What I love the most is the battle maps - I am so bored of the typical "empty plane with no strategically important points" design of TW Warhammer and others.

Troy is probably a decent success inside Epic store. Otherwise they wouldn't have bothered with Rhesus & Memnon DLC even after Mythos + Steam debut

Am I the only total war fan who loved the battle camera of the original Rome Total War? It feels like every total war after changed the battle camera

I keep coming back to Rome 2. Love that game so much. The setting gets my juices going. The mods for that game too like DEI add such a crazy level of depth that I'm always replaying that game. I played 1 campaign of troy and felt no desire to ever play it again

myself, and everyone i know, who owns troy, got it on epic when it was free. so of course its not going to show up on the steam charts. im sure that played a decent part into why the numbers are down.

The mythology Troy did good. I love it. Never played before the mythology update.

Optimization and the theme in Troy is way enough for me.

We need shogun 3! They can call it samurai, bushido, what ever. I don't care. But shogun 2 is still one of the best, if not the best, TW game.

I own the version I got for free on Epic, but kind of wanted to buy the Mythos version on Steam. It’ll just way too expensive.

Imagine if it expanded to the moddle east and egypt where it became a battle of religions of the day. Greek Pantheon helping against Egyptian men and gods.

i wonder what will be the next historical title?

I feel personally that Troy was a game that Creative Assembly did not seem to commit to. When they went with 'Truth Behind the Myth,' that was a little bit of a red flag for me because that sounded like a compromise. I play the game a bunch and even right off the bat, I could see that the game just did not go where I felt as a fan it should have been. If Troy released how it is now, I feel this game would be WAY more favorably viewed by the community that it currently is and/or was. In my mind, if they wanted to do the 'Truth Behind the Myth' idea, they should have went with how Rome Remastered was released where you could pick and choose how you wanted your campaigns to play.

It could have been one of the best ever 😔

I haven't touched it since it's release. Been meaning to go back. I did want to try out the actual Mythos mode at some point but might be a while. I know it took me a few years before I finally decided to play Thrones of Britannia. I'm right there with you though. The middle ground between myth and historic was a huge mistake. I did like the the unique gameplay mechanics on the strategic level though. But I guess I only ever played as Hector so not really sure how other factions might have been, but I loved the fighting for your father's favor with Paris. Honestly, I thought that could make for a fun co-operative campaign with a bit of a competitive side as well.

Empire was and still is the biggest let down in my book. So much potential that they gave up on. Empire 2 pls

I don’t play much Troy, but when I do I play it on Epic Games (for Steam numbers argument). It was free, so not a failure to not pay 😁

Why it failed? Epic Games. Full stop. The 7.5m people who picked it up were just people wanting a free game (like many on epic) not actual fans of the franchise. That's it. They sold out. End of.

Those unit markers that make the game look like some sort of arcade game aren't helping, this game has 0 immersion.

Can you just imagine if we got to play a Bronze Age setting stretching from Libya and the Balkans to Persia and down into Ancient Ethiopia? You could have cool political mechanics for Egypt simulating the power struggle between the Pharaoh(you) and the Priesthood of Amun-Ra. A later expansion start date where you can story mode the rise of Persia with Cyrus the Great. The Sea Peoples invasion. The Exodus from Egypt and founding of Israel-Judah. There was so much potential here for one of the greatest Total War games ever. Oh well I guess. Egypt in this time would really have a late Western Roman Empire feel to it with all the power grabbing, slave revolts, civil wars, etc... It would have been awesome. Some historians label the Bronze Age the "Age of Heroes". Achilles, Agamemnon, Hector, Paris, Mentuhotep II, King Tut, Ramses the Great, Sargon of Akkad, Joshua, David. The list goes on. Many underestimate just how much happened during this time period of history, and how much of it shapes our modern world, and it all ended suddenly and tragically around 1000BC.

The "looks like mobile" complaint for literally anything has to go. Mobile is a platform and there is no element that is distinctly 'mobile'. I suspect people that say this, you included have a limited or non existent experience with mobile games. What the hell does "mobile like" even mean? I keep coming to these videos for information about this franchise because I know very little and there is nothing in any of them. I can't actually make a distinction between a video titled 'review' and this. Just a list of points with nothing to explain them or back them up, the audience is just expected to know I guess.

I wish they made it more historical honestly, I think making it lean more into the myth part probably just leads it to being seen as a lesser Warhammer title even though it's not. Or make it more mythy i don't know, i think Troy is one of the more interesting Total War titles.

I believe that Troy is the perfect game to base an elder scrolls mod on.

I get it. People want historical games but in fact they don't. There is just no content left, especially if you want to introduce any new mechanics or new units. Especially that unit roster is a problem and people don't realize it, and there is no settings with more unique factions and units left than Rome. That's why they made Three Kingdoms and Troy, they trick you into getting a historical game that is not historical:)

I thought right from the get-go that they should have the bronze age collapse as an expansion.

Simply the graphics and animations are strange. The proportion of caracters is way off, the weapons are off too. The movement and fighting of individual soldiers is just silly.

I got it for free on epic and totally loved playing it, but after a while i started missing something (mods), as it wasn't on steam i couldn't be bothered and quit, everytime i want to play again i see the big ass price tag and i decide against it. Will never play it again even though it is my absolute favourite total war game (after rome2 ofcourse)

If CA had produced a true historical bronze age title with expansions adding Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, Mitanni, etc.. it would have been epic

I know I'm terribly late, but I'm a hardcore total war fan who owns nearly everything. I skipped Troy for one reason: Denuvo. I refuse to purchase any game that contains it. Even those I really want to play, like Dying Light 2. Can't financially reward companies who stuff DRM into their games or you get even more of it.

Rome 2 is the last title to run smoothly on my potato. I'd love to try troy, but after three kingdoms was a slideshow I guess I'll have to wait until I upgrade to a lemon.

By the Gods. Not mentioning the punishing character mechanics, the whole campaign map as a whole and the diplomacy is discouraging. The traditional trade diplomacy is already good enough. The resource upkeep is burdening and weirdly enough gold is limited. It is impossible for most characters to even hold a whole province. The characters loyalty changed to motivation makes it incredibly hard to both keep them loyal and to properly build a province. This should only be one of those expansion for Total War Rome 2 to even consider adequate.

Very unpopular opinion: Adding Memnon as a standalone faction for the Egyptians is great, but it is not diversity in its full meaning. Adding Egypt as a campaign map expansion and others? Now that's true diversity for me.

I think it's actually much more popular than is suggested by the steam player numbers, many people (such as myself) downloaded epic game launcher just to pick up this for free and still play on epic.

I liked troy allot. And I liked so much the truth behind the myth as I am more history fan. I like the battles allot. The only thing that I didn't like that I didn't feel its really a battlw for troy but more dominating Greece. There is no focus on the main story as I always get occupied fighting my side in thw real story before I cross the sea

Ah to Shogun2 a Question: I bought shogun2 and fall of the samurai. in my library, ist just shown as "shogun2". In the store, S2 and FotS is both "in your library". However, when i start the game, in the main menu i can only select to play fall of the samuray. "Rise otS" and "Shogun2 campaign" are both grey... Do you or anyone else knows what to do? :(

The great problem that made me rage quit of this sequel is how generals or lords cannot get surrounded or missile barraged while engaging duel. The one who have better level, skills and gears literally wins. THAT' not so fair for duel with Achilles, Hector or Odysseus that have excellent melee stat.

I grabbed Troy on the Epic store day 1 for free. Is the vanilla game in a good state? Or do I need to buy Mythos?

What makes me sad is why don't ever get something on the Bronze Age because Troy but I want to be proven wrong.

Honestly the only problems were the EGS exclusive, NO game does as well as it should've when released on Steam a year later, and the fact that the good alternate ways to RP are paid DLC

I got this on epic store for free. But I only loaded it for the first time last month. With the advertising I thought it wasn’t a full game, just a small free thing to get me to use the epic store. It remains the only game I own on the epic store, everything I own is on steam. So yeah a lot of what you say rings true. But I am glad I have it now and got it for free to boot.

For me it was because it did not look like mythological Greece. The Greek factions in Rome Total War 2 looked heaps better. For the game to be all about Greek factions then I thought nope I would rather play Rome 2. Also there was virtually no press hype.

I got this game for free and introduced me to the series so I have to say it's one of the best for me.

A historical type title in the Warhammer engine just doesn’t work. The hit boxes are all wonky for normal size units 🤷‍♂️

I don't like hero units in total war. I'd rather have them have like bodyguards so they operate like a powerful unit or just not have the general playable in battles

For starters, every game, book and film out there completely slaughters the Greek history and mythology. Iliad despide having mythological beings in it (I.e. the gods) in an attempt explain events, the events themselves are real and not made myth. There are numerous amount of factions in the Iliad, the Acheans and their allies and the Iliads and their allies. Heroes galore from both sides. Just stick to the book man, is all there for you. It is the best history novel ever written. I rate it above The Lord of the rings. They put so much effort in Warhammer so it can be done. They could have included the politics and intrigues and all that jazz. It could have been like Rome II but thousands of years earlier.

They need to make there next historical game that plays like rome 2

i’m still playing on epic games because i don’t want to repurchase the game. did you account for those players when using that stat?

the graphics and performance, art direction are all fantastic. but the battles SUCK. spreadsheeted, stat focused, weightless.

I actually really like it still. WH3 definitely killed it but then WH3 killed itself with the mistake of just having the rift campaign

Those steam numbers are going to be quite skewed. Not only is Troy a much smaller game than Rome II (which has amazing mods at this point) and a more limited appeal, but Epic had Troy for free on the first day. I bet that there are a lot of players (like myself) that picked it up on Epic instead of steam because of that.

I’m planning on getting Troy in a few days I started with medevil 2 and shogun 2 would it be worth to buy or will it be different from what I’m use too

i love the iliad and have my own version of the appearance of characters in my head so something that's turned me off from this game a bit is the look of the characters

They should have done an Odyssey DLC, sailing round the Med. Massive opportunity missed

Tbf Troy released for free on Epic, so I doubt many people who got it for free like me, bought it on Steam as well, but yeah I wouldn't be surprised if that only adds 300 players at best to the 24/current peaks

You forget to mentioned copy-paste castles. Almost every city looks the same in the game. Meanwhile when you looked to Warhammer 1 every city-castle-town has a uniqiue design representing the culture and stuff.

The price is to high, that is why I don’t buy it. A shame as it is one of the most beautiful of CA’s games. I would pay $20-$25 but no more for the whole package.

I dunno if it failed... thats a point of perspective I guess. Who did it fail for a part of the player base or for the company? It was downloaded 7.6 millions and sold... for money about 3.6 or so million copies. Epic paid a ton of money for it and they then got revenue from the sold ones. In the annual reports they where happy about it and the release on Epic. I think they made a good profit considering the production cost was probably lower than a standard TW product. I also think it was a fun, enjoyable Total War with good battlempas, interesting improvements for diplomacy and a resource system. The time period was also great. The addition of the myth stuff later was just icing on the cake for me. I probably was one of the few who liked this middle ground stuff. But im glad they added the two other modes and I prefer myth since the historical records arent so many and reliable of this time period. Many of the characters might not even have existed in real life. Anyhow Troy is the strongest Saga title and I doubt it was an economical failure for CA. Maybe it was seen as a failure for some parts of the fanbase as you point out in the video. It would be nice to see how many play the Epic version daily since it was downloaded so much.