Why Ahsoka Only Using One Lightsaber Against Baylan Was So Important 

no, just 7 and 9.

YES YES YES 😂😂 !!!!!! PREACH

@@ScoDiddley8 had people falling over in the background sit down.

@@lilhazey1128 no, TLJ is the best SW movie since ESB.

​@@ScoDiddleylmaoooooooo 😂

Great shout!

Great point! She's always losing that blade.

Where was the second time she lost her main? In my memory it was only once, while the other times it was her shoto

@@plokoon4331 Iirc, it was with Maul in CW and with Elsbeth in Mandalorian.

@@GGBlaster with Elsbeth wasn't it her main she kept?

i agree with you 100%. there is a lot of people on here did not watch thatt fight with detail. she was winning until she got distracted and her hand was burn.

Good analysis but kinda flawed how I saw it was ashokas first assault was just completely blunted by baylans raw strength. And the second assault Ashoka does she is again overwhelmed when baylan starts to put in elbow grease. Ashoka then switches to ataru to get around baylans strength. This does work for a little bit until baylan grabs her arm and throws her and then pushes her into a corner and then tries to use dun Mach, Ashoka gets anrgy and baylan just allowed her to kick him? Not once not twice but three times?? That’s the only part of the duel which was really weird and stupid. Especially when we just saw baylan just counter everything Ashoka did.

@@danman6431 you are wrong he never, never had the upper hand on her, until she burned her hand, and got distracted. up until then, she countered all his power moves. and if she was just concentrating on the fight, and not trying to stop the signal, it would have been a different ending to the first fight. next time watch what happens. how can you say he had the upper hand, when it was he who got kicked on is back to the ground.

She should've employed more telekinesis in the fight

​@@DADDYDRAGONGIRLshe really should've employed more telekinesys against him or against that sphere or just straight up destroyed it

Gone to soon.... I wanted more of his background... and his apprentice.

​@aquariussarron5444 hopefully we get their backstory. Most likely comic book

Is his actor dead?

​@@thunderlion6909 yuh uh 😢

@@thunderlion6909 yes sadly 😥

she was unbalanced... she let the legacy of Vader instead of Anakin haunt her ..... she is gonna be exactly what you say after she talks to Anakin in the world of worlds... she's gonna get back to Sabine and finish her training

@@sethdelvalle hopefully she does lol,and yea noticed that too,big different from before she fought Vader and was with the rebels crew...to now 😭 what got me was she's was willing to basically sacrifice not seeing Ezra again if it means Thrawn not coming back..she has fear and trying to mask it by being kinda of a arrogant lil brat..just like the Jedi high council of the old order,n she don't see it yet

@@reyvillegasjr166it’s called a sacrifice for the better good, as much as she cared for Ezra after all he saved her life and she did his multiple of occasions, Trawn was a bigger treat and Ezra knew that and that’s why he choose to make the sacrifice which is learned from Doon, it would be a slap in the face for Ezra’s sacrifice.

@@originalloverman no I know ,I get it but luke could not and would not kill Vader even if it meant the galaxy would be safe and all that stuff, obi wan couldn't kill Anakin twice. Sometime even us here knoww we should make the logical or even the right choice and that some of us need to make the tough or correct choice and not everyone can do that,,Revan when he was still a Jedi did all kinds of horrible things to win a single battle, sacrificing innocents, civilians, Jedi,entire planets. Hell I always say that I would kill and sacrifice millions ...to save billions. The choice we make isn't always or understanding. If Luke would've listened to both Yoda and obi wan about killing Vader he probably would've became worse than his father.. ultimately he made the right choice by leavingt degobah when he did,it's funny by doing what he wasn't supposed to do and risking going to the dark side Acually saved not only himself,but redeemed Vader,and the galaxy and the Jedi. It's why we love these movies so much I think 😃

I haven't played survivor yet, but I have played fallen order multiple tiems, and this is also the case for me. I main dual wield because I have a really aggressive playstyle, and I noticed that I almost never try to parry an attack, but instead dodge them

Agree 100%. Single blade was my main stance in Survivor, always the primary choice in my loadouts. The balance, versatility and attention to quality over quantity I feel made it the most immersive stance for the pure Jedi (or Sith) playstyle. With the fully upgraded skill tree, the right perks, Force power mastery and great skill and understanding of combat fundamentals (parrying, timing etc...), I was practically invincible even on Grandmaster, going as far as to beat every boss with it.

agreed. The only thing now to discuss- why make Baylan more powerful than Maul, Vader, Grievous, Asajj Ventress, and all Inquisitors?? Unless this dude is somehow better than Mace and Yoda, this is just dumb. Its just lazy writing to move Sabine out of Ahsoka's reach. Come on, Dave. You can do better.

​@bobf5360 He's no more powerful than any of them. It seemed he was because of the strength of his blows and Ahsokas eventual vulnerability throughout the fight.

​@@bobf5360because there is a very important piece of data that is missing from this video and discussion. Maybe it's just so subtle that lots of people seem to be missing it. Baylan is out would seem a master gaslighter. He took the upper hand from his very first words. "Anakin spoke highly of you". We saw from episode 1 that Ahsoka can't deal with him being brought up. Hera, who is practically her best friend, casually brings him up and it shattered the moment. For her enemy to not just bring him up and but to keep talking about him again and again to speak of what he became and then to expose her vulnerability that she would have almost certainly not shared with almost anyone it affected her to the point that she ended up striking out at him in anger. Remember what she told Sabine in episode 3 "anger and frustration are quick to give power but they unbalance you.". All through this fight he landed verbal strike after verbal strike on her completely unbalancing her. Which is seen when he tells her that "your legacy like your master's is death and destruction". Those words finally shattered what little balance she had left and she attacked him in anger. That was the moment she lost the fight. Even if she hadn't burned herself she wouldn't have been able to regain her balance. A necessary factor for a non dark side user. And even though Ahsoka was reading into the dark side seem most prominently when she slams shin into the henge (and possible force chokes for for a moment before hand). Ashoka herself is not a dark side user. Baylan was such a difficult opponent for her because he found her weakness and exploited it long before blades were ever drawn

@@sakisaotome6753 I still believe that Baylon being strong or op is simply due to the fact a lot of people aren’t putting it together. Ahsoka would have went at him with all she had, using both light sabers and her most affective fighting style if she was there to kill Baylon, and I think she would have easily succeeded. She was there for the key and needed one hand available to grab it. Baylon saw this and he felt it gave him the advantage. Then after burning her hand, he knew she would no longer be able to revert to her dual blades thus making the statement about her making a big mistake.

@@dustingre8 The problem with that idea is that ahsoka had other options in regards to the map. She could have tried to force push it off the alter or even slashed at the alter so that it would prevent them from using the map while still keeping it safe. she also could have just dropped one of her blades when she was close enough to grab it. and then pulled it back to her when she got a chance. but she never tried any of those. honestly i think she was just so focused on baylan she wasn't thinking straight. she didn't even really make any attempts to go for the map until much later in the fight. Basu She knew that he was jedi trained. As the padawan of Anakin skywalker everyone in the order would have known about her just as everyone knew about him. that means that it would have been common knowledge that she is preferred jar kai by the time that she left the order. If she was thinking straight, she would have started like this and then swapped to the single bladed form that she was using. it wouldn't be something that he would have expected, since she is so well known for being a dual wielder. Moreover, Baylan was playing the role of defender and Ahsoka was on a countdown timer. There was no need for him to attack her. in fact, the longer they didn't fight the better it was for their cause. Baylan simply needed to stall long enough for the map to finish uploading to the ship. As long as Baylan could keep her from taking/stopping the map, then any tactict that he used to delay were good. once she grabbed the map however he was forced to switch tactics. he could no longer rely and pure defence. the fact that she burned herself was certainly a huge advantage. but the fact that she got through his defence made her a liablity to his mission. She could have easily started with 2 blades adn then swapped one handed without fear of him trying to attack her in the couple of seconds it would take to stow her second lightsaber away. This is why i say that she was too distracted by her Anakin issues to think through her fight clearly and it only got worse the longer the fight dragged on until he got to the magic line about their legacy being death and destruction and she flipped a gasket. That moment in which she gave into her anger was the moment that she lost. she literally schooled Sabine about that just 1 episode ago. "Anger and Frustration are quick to give power, but they also unbalance you." she fell into the same trap that Sabine had been falling into during their sparring session. i used to on board with your idea that it was just because she needed the free hand to grab the map, but she literally could have tried to push it off the alter first to stop the upload and then tried to get the orb.

Well both Vader and malgus were big guys so

It bumped me ever slightly every time I saw them turn one complete round in a close combat. I had to tell myself "it's okay, they employed the immediate foresight in fighting and force nudging" every time it happened 😆 just gotta love how distinguished lightsaber duels are compared to other kinds of combat

Assuming that the analysis in the video holds up, then it would depend on whether or not she had the open ground to work her particular style...

@@tank2045 Acknowledged

@@tank2045she doesn’t need open space for form 5 which she is likely a master of by this point considering that was 1 of the main forms she used alongside ataru although she is definitely better with 2 she definitely doesn’t need it

She'll finish him later..

I’d second this opinion regarding mastery with the blade. However, Luke’s sheer affinity with the force would balance them both as equals (at this point in the story). Later on, not only would Luke become a master in his own right but nearing demi-god levels through his connection with the force.

I like him and Hati. They are a good pair and it’s nice to see two dark side users who aren’t sith or inquisitors, just a master and apprentice working towards their own goals. Love the fact they have Nordic names as well

Also Some People need to Know you to Respect you Baylan had some respect for Ahsoka's after all he does not meet many equal to his Level or Social Standing so why not Talk a bit + that gave him a couple more minutes of time because his Apprentice would surely win and help him.

I recall reading somewhere (can't recall where) that the talky-talky thing the Sith/darksiders do is actually a combat technique. The idea is to get into the opponent's head just enough to disturb their focus. Since connection to the Force relies so much on focus and attention anything that rattles your Force wielding opponent's concentration, even for a second, could be just the opening you need to defeat them. The more the darksider knows about the opponent, the more effective this battlefield "Hannibal lecture" is likely to be. Dooku- "Yoda holds you in such high esteem. Surely you can do better." Vader- "If you will not turn to the Dark Side, then perhaps she will." (whereupon Luke snaps and goes full Skywalker Rage Mode) And of course Sidious holds a 10th dan black belt in this technique.

Yes Talking what Changes Good Focus or Motivation is a Good thing Even IRL for Talking or Fighting Violently depending on the Person you could disarm the Person Fully @@Archangelarts

and her lack of foresight and intelligence

This makes so much sense, you’ve genuinely taught me something i’ve always wondered. Cheers!!

@@lilhazey1128dude same😂it’s something I’ve “noticed” but never actually noticed

If she was that powerful shouldn't she also be wise enough to know she can handle him with focus and then get the map... seems she isn't as sure of herself as you seem to be in her.

@@cjp1599 Exactly...now you get why she is in the world between worlds face to face with Anakin. She's still not over her past.

@@cjp1599yeah, she hasn’t exactly accepted and moved on from her past.

You overrate her a bit here but she would likely win high/extreme diff against baylan

@@wkdxcrimex duh

And old woman doing wall jumps in slowmo… cmon 😂

*see not she.

"taking the ball" 💀

Don't really think Baylan wanted to kill her

My interpretation was Baylan got pissed off after seeing Shin get force pushed hard. As if his original goal was just playing defense keeping Ahsoka away from the map, because as he said earlier he didn't really want to exterminate any more Jedi. Then suddenly he shifted to 'screw this I'm taking her out'.

@@lw1391 he was not winning

No need of being a force wielder to have your effectiveness lowered by altered emotional states. Being confused by Sabine is a good way to lose some of her focus. Not much, not for long, but enough for an experienced fighter to take advantage of. And Baylan is nothing if not experienced.

@@MjolnirFeawNo need to be a force wielder for that to work, but maybe the only way to find a gap in the focus of someone as centered in the force as Ashoka.

she needed a free hand to take the map

That would be hard since she was wearing fingerless gloves, and we could see her burned fingers and they didn't have symbols on them.

I was thinking that would be a good way to have her find peridia but then I remembered that actually couldn’t work since she actually needs the ball to see the map it wouldn’t work if she just used 1 “side” of the ball, a more logical way would be that Sabine is being tracked or they use pergil

Wouh, that's a very interesting angle, but then, should've been more clear. Say, start with both blades, then, looking at the map, does a very decisive switch to one blade. Yes, that's a much better scene. Great point!

Where does he say this? Baylan says he doesn't want to kill her bcs there aren't many jedi left.

@@pullo5518 i agree, he is fully confidant in his abilities

He says 'it would be a shame if she were to die'. Not that he doesn't want to kill her. Big difference.

@@timothywilkinson6745 that proves he knows he is not strong enough to beat her?

There won't be rematch. Ahsoka is dead.

@@Engille967there’s gonna be a rematch

@@Engille967 she is not dead. She is in the world between worlds. She's been there before.

Grabbing the map was the main mistake. Baylan could overpower her onehanded.

@@nicolastomas8436 thanks to Disney logic, there will probably.

Thanks man!

no she would lose like she did against vader, i think shes accomodating for the fact vader (someone whos a heavy hitter like baylan) beat her with heavy strikes wearing her down as her defence was compromised.

@@bradleysaunders1730 let’s wait and see

Rebels was A bit for the Kids Clone Wars was For Tennagers even there you rarely saw Jedi death until the Later Seasons

All In all In Star Wars Death is Common and Close Range Fights could only last for 2 Minutes but you have Years of Training Behind you.

Same with Space Combat I would not Want a Force Sensitive / Skilled Land Battle Warrior In such Space Crafts only to be Shoot down in a couple of Seconds.

@@Jakkaribik1 I call bullshit. Little kids have no investment in watching Rebels when they don't know much or anything about Star Wars. I'd guarantee the simple fact that making those shows is cheaper than live action is why they were animated. They certainly weren't targeting kids with Rebels or teens with Clone Wars. They knew Star Wars geeks would watch it to fill in some gaps. The rest of your replies are completely irrelevant to anything I said. Stop huffing paint.