I'm a machinist turned fabricator and I think every skilled profession suffers from the same thing, people see a little of what you do but have no clue about what it really takes to get something done or the time involved in doing it. They see a snapshot of someone working and often they make it look easy if they are good at their craft but they do not know everything that goes into getting to that point. I may spend ten hours on a project that someone would assume took an hour or so. With machining and welding it is often the setup that takes the most time but people only see a glimpse of the machining or welding.
the software,machine time designer time ,operator time,shop time ect its a lot more than just chucking a piece of material on a machine and pressing the go button.
machine,software,learningtime,designtime, NOT newer can charge to customer, no big factry can charge customer if build and use 200million $ machine. only thief and idiot charge customer you busines own investications.
I don't do this, (I wish I did), but I know that the cost of the machine is high as well. And let's not forget maintenance on them and the fact that they don't last forever. Plus your time is valuable and you've got to make s profit, otherwise what's the point? I'm impressed with what you do.
i dont agree.........CNC-machine High ZS 720 720x420x110mm, its fully out of heavy allu-profils, with german steel-track, german step-motors, its around 60 KG hvy, with CNC-Software+Hardware and Beginner-Bits with needed minimum i payed around 4000€, i NEVER cleaned it complitly since 2014, i always oil it, and clean it without opening anything, since 2 years i run out of original oil and now i use motoroil for cars, since 2014 i only had to replace in the motor the (german: Kohlenbürsten) because 2 years ago motor stopped running. Machine is still accurate down to 0,05mm (tested), driving same track 7 times different deepnes you see nothing of the deepnes steps..
Actually, if the carpenter doesn't ever use the tools he knows how to use, he earns no money and builds nothing. It is not knowledge alone, then, that is of value but the actual work of building also.
I have been doing engravings for over 20 years now. I don't know what part of the county you are in but in NYC your stuff would go for 5x as much as you have them for on your site. People just don't seem to understand, Time Is Money.
A wonderful presentation sir. Thank you for explaining the processes involved in making these. I'm sure you don't charge customers when something goes wrong and you have to start again. 👌
First of all, thank you for sharing all that info; most people wouldn't take the time to do it. My question is (and this is from somebody that has no clue on CNC work, I just love the art): Why do you start out with such a thick piece of wood if the first pass is going to dig in so deep into it to get to the working depth? My thinking is you can probably save some money on thinner pieces of wood. Great video, thumbs up!!!
The thicker the piece of wood, the more depth/ dimension you can achieve.. A thin piece of wood compared to a thicker piece, as far as the end product goes, isn't really a desirable look.. You are extremely limited to what depth /dimension you can achieve.. The end result will look flat.. You would be better off painting something or wood burning something on a thin piece of wood over carving it. I have a video on my channel showing a high relief carving.. It may give you a bit more of a Idea as to what I'm saying... I do rotary carving or power carving. Not cnc..
This video glosses over a lot of important skills and items that go into what is being made. CNC software is not cheap, nor is it easy to learn. A cnc router operator is part crafter, part computer software artist (2D and 3D), sometimes part programmer, etc. Bits, Feeds and Speeds too. A lot of these machines only work correctly if the operator understands what bits to use (there are many) and which speed and feed rates to set for each bit to get the best result out of them. As someone currently starting in CNC routing myself, I was surprised to find out how much I was going to have to learn in order to get my machine working optimally. These machines and tools have costs associated with them too. A single good CNC router bit can easily cost $50+ and they are consumable, meaning they have to be replaced when they dull - then there's maintenance, waste disposal... on and on. As a lifelong learner, the biggest lesson I have learned is that if something looks "easy", it's very probably not. You are paying people for their skills, tools, knowledge and experience because you don't have them. If you don't believe me, you can find a small desktop CNC machine online for $200-300. Pick one up and give it a go. :)
Part of me says a craftsperson should never have to justify their prices. You owe nobody an explanation for what you charge for your time, effort, education, etc. But thank you for your thorough breakdown!
I am a cnc machinist full time. I also have a 4x4 cnc router. For what we charge cutting wood on a cnc router is no where where it should be. If a customer goes to a metal cutting cnc shop you can expect to pay $75-$90 per hour plus setup times. So charging lets say $50 on a project that takes maybe 3-5 hrs, the customer is getting a bargain. That same time in a metal cutting cnc shop would run upwards $450 for 4-5 hrs of machine shop time.
LG that’s your opinion and it’s also subjective depending on the type of tradesman….are ya a shitbum turning out shitbum products or are you the cream at the top of the crop turning out product that drops people’s jaws? I already know the answer based on your retort to my statement. That being said I’m pretty sure I’ve came from a lower place than you and surpassed your earnings and earning potential……that’s also why I added my positive opinion/advice trying to uplift a person rather than shit on them. Why are you so mad?
Good video. Those pieces came out nice. I agree, customers just do not understand everything that goes into making such a piece. Doing "3D" also ties up your machine for longer periods of time which means it is not running to do other quicker jobs. Remember, time is money in the equation too.
NOT sure have, if cnc make work you can do lot other work same time, not newer can charge customer you own freetime or other work time you can charge customer only how much elektric go spindle and motors this time and thats is 5-10$ big work. not more, its you own fail if broken bit or need make same again new manytime. not customer fail.
Let's not even talk about trying to recoup the cost of the machine or the hours of learning software both for design and to operate the machine or the amount of rent you are paying for the garage portion of the house. Just figuring what the piece of wood cost, stain, sealer, sandpaper, electricity, wear and tear of the machine, replacing worn bits, etc. with the prices on your Etsy store, you are almost giving them away at your cost. I bet you are lucky to make $10 an hour on them and if you break a bit or have a board that doesn't turn out you are paying people to buy them. Nice work and nice video. I think that you should recalculate your prices. I stay away from 3d stuff because it is just too difficult to make any money with it.
learning this kind of software takes months and to be good takes years of experience .i used to teach cnc machining and i can say that some guys get it and others never will.some will just end up as what we call button pushers while others master programming.it all takes time and money.
I just bought a shark hd5 extended with the all the way to aspire software and having a blast. I'm making a 11 by 13 inch oak portrait with a nice frame around it this also cnc'd with my daughter holding my first granddaughter. For the finish I used to 16th ball nose and did the entire workpiece. The finish pass ran for 16 hours. If someone could post a tool diameter with cutting speed as a cheat sheet which would be really nice. I did the ruffing at a 50 per inch and finishing at a 30 per inch. The finished product looks absolutely awesome but I need to utilize time better.
I am surprised he did not mention cost of machine and any software. Not all software that come with these machines are the best to use are more needed. None of this is cheap. Yes, you have to figure the cost of your time.
A lot of it depends on what you are planning on doing with your CNC mill. If you wanted to get into it as a hobby, there are less expensive ways of going about it, using open source software and a lot of other free/online tools. If you were going to get into the commercial side, that's where a lot of these costs start coming into play.
This guy sucks. He's using a cnc machine to do easy work, and he's charging for hand carved work because it's a "complicated process." Get into cnc man, don't let this discourage you. Cnc was invented literally to make machining easy and cheap. If you have a computer, an arduino, and a couple old cd drives you can build a cnc mill YOURSELF in a day.
Don't forget machinery cost, overhead. Broken tools. Screw ups. Not to mention. You seem pretty versatile to me with your programing. Most people aren't. It would take then hours just programming. I've been using cnc's for about 8 years. Always learning. Never a dull moment. Cnc costs run around 150$ per hour including the salary of the person programming and preping and all other costs associated. Based on the time and material. I wouldn't sell each item less then 150$. So that's a 600$project if I had to do it. Unfortunately you didn't mention your selling cost. Great video.
The largest 2.5D I've ever done on my Shopbot was a double sided 48x96 sign. It took nearly 2 days to cut. I know your pain of customers not understanding what all the work that goes into carving. And 2.5D is still 3 axis, not two. If you're using Aspire then you can do double sided and achieve almost 3d and with a rotary axis even closer to true 3D. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I'll probably be pointing some customers to it!
Actually that wasn't the largest sign I made, it was a 36" x 144" double sided. It went for 4K and the 4'x8' was an airbrush painted landscape carving and was 6K out the door.
Nice job! Just to further back you up, you didn't even mention you are using a CNC machine with a starting price of $7K, a couple more $K for the software, bit replacement, maintenance, and electricity cost for a router that runs hours at a time.
I have the luxury of a 10 pocket tool changer and a very dependable Fanac controller where I have run up to 24h unattended paths on the weekend. People still want to screw you down on price.
Yes and no... for the novice 2.5d machining is when there's no overhanging elements, such as those that would require machining on a 5 axis machine. The 2 axis movement at one time is correct, which is what your router does most of the time... i.e., raster toolpathing means you're moving only one (x or y)axis while z is moving... but hey, the video is for those whom have zero understanding and of cnc...
I would consider what I normally do to be 2.5d, Anything that doesn't have square edges I would consider 3D even if it is only moving on 2 axis at any one give time. You could set up this same job to cut on a diagonal where it uses all 3 axis at the same time.
lol, i understood as following, from the description of my cnc-machine and years of praxise but maybe im wrong.... 2,5 D is when you have normal 2d-Lines(dxf) with fix added deepnes, and fine.....and 3D is when you put 2d-Lines over a relief and the software calculates for every 0,1mm of all this lines the needed deepness over the relief-structure, and the result are 3d-Lines which are 2d lines with thousend different z-values..
@@berndlottes9940 see what you make of this... www.flashcutcnc.com/node/82 from what I understand it to say 2.5d is when you are doing a typical 2d X, Y pattern but it changes from 2 to 2.5 when you drill different depth holes or different depth pockets, but where it gets tricky is that it mentions retracting fully to go to the next position. To me what he is doing here seems to be between 2.5d and 3d, maybe some kind of 2.75d :D
forgot to mention for 3d Lines the software also includes the calculation for the diameter of the bit when watching from the side, because a none round-bit has to stay farther away from the relief then a round-bit, the round-bit lets smooth surface, the other bit makes steps on the surface of a round-relief..
The bottom line is how much machine and human time it takes to make the pieces. The tool path creation should be a lot simpler than you describe. Once you make the tool path, subsequent carvings should be a snap to set up since you should have saved it from the first time. So 2 hours man-hours and 5 machine hours. The Only thing I don't know is about tool bit wear but it seams to me that 40$ for each piece would be a decent price for a setup with little overhead that is most of etsy. The etsy page is no longer up so I have no idea if it was too expensive or not but from it being no longer up I would say it would have to be. In economics a thing is only worth what people are willing to pay for it.
The site is still up. We still haven't figured out electricity, cost of the wood, other tools and consumables that are required such as sand paper, etc. The bits are a consumable item also and have to be replaced then there is the cost of the machine and there are parts on the machine that will wear out and need to be replaced over time. Generally there isn't any money to be made in making 3d parts because of the time involved. 3 items at $40 a piece by 7 hours equates to $17 an hour before you start deducting all of the expenses. I agree they are only worth what someone is willing to pay but I wouldn't make them for that amount and when I look at his site he is only asking $15. He is losing money at that price so not sure why anyone of his customers thought that he was charging high prices.
this piece has to cost 150 $ to barely make any profit, you have to calculate all costs, not just electricity, tools and time. what about taxes, insurance, i could start a list but one will only learn how much all really costs by starting a company.
Excellent video, I am relatively new to CNC wood working and I've been over these steps many times already. I come from a design production background in a relative field and the design time, computer/layout time, and analytics involved in best process equate to work and we haven't even touched the machine. As I said, excellent video, well done.
I was about to be salty, but checked the store, if you talk about thoses king of prices www.etsy.com/fr/listing/660064124/12-cherry-enrole-aviation-guerre?ref=shop_home_active_1, I will totally agree with you, 25 euro for this is given, I was prepared for a 400 euro eagle like in another video from another CNC youtuber
I took a look at your Etsy page, and surprised anyone would call your prices expensive. People have no problem spending 10 or $12 for some rice and a couple of vegetables for lunch, yet I would say the time that goes into producing a quality piece of wood working including finish is far more labor-intensive. I have Vectric Aspire (which as we know is $2000), good quality balls nose bits ($60 each), your time and overhead, I guess there's just no way I would try to make a living at this because I would be cussing at people who question my prices. I'd rather just invest my money in the stock market, which I do. My day job is in picture framing, and fine art Giclee' prints, and I don't have huge numbers of of customers, but they don't complain about my prices when they see the quality of the finished product. I need to produce about $65 an hour for my time. Every business has certain cost of doing business. If you can't produce a profit then you've got close the doors. And like everything else in this world you have to compete against the dirt cheap China made products. I enjoy my carving projects from the design standpoint to the final assembly, but I sure would hate to try to have to make a living at this. I applaud you for making these items available. It's a tough way to make a buck.
i use vetrix carve pro and bits cost about 4-14$ piece no lot and all you softwares tools not can charge newer at customers, not big factory charge customers if build 100 million dollar factory. same think you not can charge customer you machines,softwares,bits.
My dear friend, in my country Cyprus we say that the answer to the silly is silence. Any charge you do is reasonable. If they think is expensive they can always go somewhere else.
Awesome! You live right down the street from me. My wife and I get our cnc machine tomorrow so I can make better soap cutters (and she can do her stuff) along with the soap I make. I wouldn't mind learning more. I'll have to subscribe just cause we are neighbors. That alone deserves a sub. Hello from Martinez.
I had a customer that thought that I simply stamped the wood and out came an image, which was actually carved with many many hours of design and cnc machining. LOL customers have no idea what it takes time, skills, knowledge, costs, etc.
@Charles Haerle just tell them experience you gained over time as in how many hours and be like me, my idea is to timelapse the cnc machine, maybe design it before the cnc machine makes it too and as like a gift thing to show them what work it took Thinking showing machine in timelapse and saying hours so they enjoy hours spent
@Chet Carson whoa, dude, chill man. yes 3d printing does change up some of the game, but some things still require time and skill and sometimes you want a specific material that 3d printers can't offer, like wood or marble or perhaps some kind of metal and metal 3d printers aren't cheap and their process requires more than the print, it is complicated, like the baking because they have cons as well. Use all the tools at your disposal because that's more fun don't be sucky
@Chet Carson Can't exactly forge with a printer and wood can't be printed unless it's a pulp and nobody wants that It will stay because of art, so no, they're not leaving
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Thanks for the educational video. Sounds like you have a good handle on the technology. People are funny...when I do a carving (by hand) they're like, "HOW long did that take to make?" Same thing with this technology. You don't just plop down a 12/4 plank and go to town. People.
Looked at your etsy, and I think the carved pieces are rather cheap to be honest. And very detailed! I would certainly not make and sell them for that amount. So if someone thinks it's expensive they are clueless.
I looked at it too. I don't make stuff that small because I can't make money selling that cheap. I tried using African roses wood around 10x10x3 doing a 2" deep relief but people did not even want to pay the $20 each blank cost me. Lol I sold 3 for $75 and 2 for $20 and after getting tired of them taking up storage space I gave most of them away to kids for mother's day gifts at a church up the road. It was a shame because after heat treating the wood to a dark pink to a rich purple some of them look amazing after clear coat.
every time you change Gcode it's better to prepare equal boards. Possibly cut one and move only the positions in the machine without changing Gcode. Use a small milling cutter to set the milling of only the object element, not all of it, and preferably to generate a path, for example, around letters.
I know its a couple years old, but a simple correction. What you are doing is true #d machining. 2.5 D would be shapes with a thickness. say like a bracket with some holes. in 2.5 D you machine the part to thickness then never cut across the top again unless there is a pocket or feature.
incorrect, this is indeed 2.5D machining, just as he said. 3D is with more than 3 axes, allowing for overhanging elements and even up to all six sides machining with 9 axes for example.
Not to undercut your explanation but 10:10 The work your machine does is so awesome to see in action. None of my jobs fed into a fancy designation. Oh well
When I ran cnc machines in my early 20's I was just an operator and I just made small adjustments as the inserts wore down because we had to hold medical tolerances. So when you are creating a "tool path" do you have to say G** spindle on G** rpm G** move so far then G** up across down etc???
I am seriously considering a cnc router but the learning curve is kind of scary. One reason I might take the plunge is my brother is a incredible cnc machinist and I will have him to help me. Right now he is working at the shop where they are building the all electric Amazon delivery vehicles that are coming. He runs the CMM machine and is the guy that says to run the parts or not.
Why are you roughing a plane with a flat end mill? This material will be removed by the ball nose end mill during finishing. This will save time. What are your reasons?
I have a CNC as well and just started using plastic finish nails with senco nail gun instead of screws & clamps that i have snapped may end mills off on. The machines cuts through the plastic as if it were wood
If you make enough of these things. it might be worth making a set of "soft jaws" to be able to flip the parts over and just plane the bottom down flat a bit. This could do the deburing automatically for you vs. dremel, etc. Just a thought.
when i make 2 sides i spent many time on exact adjusting down to 0,1-0,2mm for plywood, i would not thrust a mechanic which turns it automaticly, it must be so stable that when you push through the wood its not allowed to move 0,1mm, puh....when i work on loonger wood i usual make 4 makers 2 up/down and 2 left/right 10x1mm, when i turn the wood i first adjust the machine again to the 180 degrees mirrored markers, 2 are on left side of wood and two on right side, because sometimes it happens that little dust turns the wood little, left mark is 0,1mm to high and right mark is exact or 0,1mm to low, i usual hear it on the sound, if it scratches the wood or not..
Not being familiar with the process, presuming the software determines the pass by the tool selected? Having to create models for each pass would be considerable effort and didn't see mention of that.
Depending on the software some licenses are horribly expensive. My dad used to run a cabinet business when he was alive. He used e-cabinet software (kitchen design software) and that costs thousands of dollars. The key for it looks like a USB flash drive. He may have had other similarly expensive software. The fact is for the price of software like that you can buy a decent used car. These days there is some good software available as freeware but this was at least 13 years ago.
Your avatar bothers me as if you are contemplating stabbing your boyfriend to death because he accidentally looked at a girl in a short skirt walking buy while you two were eating dinner.
When I had my CNC router every time I put a new spoil board on I would take a .5 flat end mil and run a tool-path over the complete spoilboard to parallel it to the router gantry. This way those low and high spots are almost nil. I also used to screw my work-pieces down to my spoil-board, only way to make sure it dont move. Especially if its a project that may take more then one day to complete.
3D carving is time consuming " I hate doing 3D projects " , absolutely not cheap , great video , maybe you should have done 2d and 2.5 D Demo with real time to show and compare how hard and how much effort you do in 3d , and most important the time deference !
Awesome video... For a customer to assume they know what the costs of a product to be is simply ignorance. You hit about half of the points that add up to the final cost I think, there are so many factors. You also have the cost of bits, electricity to operate, all the hundreds of hours of education to even be able to pull it off. Not to mention the cost of R&D, how many prototypes and "test" cuts until a model is perfect? How many pieces of wood have you had to throw away in the process of perfecting a product design? Personally my models are ever evolving and improving. Yes, some are getting close to an 'automatic' operation, but I have very few products that I can say require little time on my part, and the few that are getting close are there because of dozens and dozens of attempts and hundreds of adjustments over the original model design. The cost of the lumber is NOT what they are paying for. When we hire a lawyer we are not simply paying for the cost of making photocopies of documents, we pay for their education and experience. At a coffee house we are not paying for the cost of coffee beans and water, we pay for the skills that have learned in producing a product from raw materials. When experts dial in on the actual costs of the parts to produce an iPhone, it is generally 50% of the retail costs, that does not mean that I am capable of producing an Iphone in order to save $500. Sorry for the long rant. :/
What a line of BULLSHIT if I ever heard it. You can't factor in the cost of an education, Prototypes, Out-cuts, etc. into the final price of this. You idiots are factoring in all of these things JUST so you can raise the price (fucking over the customer). You would have it take a month and 10x's the "labor" when in reality a craftsman of basic knowledge and skill could have the project completed and delivered in a few days.
@@BillyReed68 "You can't factor in the cost of an education, Prototypes, Out-cuts, etc. into the final price of this." Yes you can, every business includes these costs into final products, they are called R&D costs and everyone from Tesla and Apple to Your barber does this. You claim that these businesses are fucking the customer over yet it is the customer who makes the choice to spend their money. Its simple, as long as the price is stated up front and with clear terms then there is no way the customer can be fucked over, they just decide if they want the service or not. Dont like the price, dont pay for the service and if everyone's price is higher than you would pay then make it yourself and understand why the costs are so high.
@@fuzzydeath2403 Horseshit! By Your logic My first job out of college should have paid 6 figures in the first month. Only asshats punching $0.08 gaskets to sell to the mafia government for $8000 a pop would try to sell that line of ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT! Prices are based upon what the market will bear. You are attempting some type of modern alchemy with this horseshit by turning a minimum wage into the mines of Midas. Like I said, only a sucker would pay your rates.
@@BillyReed68 On this basic stuff yes .. but China makes the basic stuff with unskilled labor and robots .. it's the skilled craftsmanship that AI cannot replicate . Chippendale is popular from east to west ..Federal is popular in the NE. I have never seen a robot replicate a Federal design. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jSA-2lefSeM.html
@@BillyReed68 good then you can make them yourself. You have no clue how the world works, do you? What is your time worth?? 5.00 an hour? Of course you have to factor in all those costs into your product, that doesn't mean the piece will cost you 100,000.00 dollars.. It just meant that you can't get a 3d carved piece of wood for the price of a piece of plastic..
Great video, awesome to see this done. With that people who complain that things like this are expensive must think these machines are sold at general dollar, and these folks learned how to do this by reading the back of the cereal box. I'll be messaging you shortly about ordering a few insignias.
see what i think happens alot is oh i have a friend whos kid has a 3d printer and theyre basically the same so why so much. when i was beginning this learning to do cnc on my learning hobby machine if i made something for someone it was typically small less than 12 x 7 inches. id sell things for $20- $50 depending on how long the machine had to work. the new machine cost more than 20x the cost of the hobby machine is a completely different learning curve, different hardware, different software but so much more capable not to mention a 36" x 56" x 6" cutting area. though im still in the building and parts arriving stages of that i have to learn how to add components for functions i require. bought from a YT guy here Corvetteguy50 and he built me a gorgeous control panel and got all my changing from grbl to mach3 as smooth as it could be. still buying the frame parts from china but all the parts to make the machine do its job i went with a US builder that was reputable. I didnt want to spend another 6 months chasing gremlins due to unshielded wire and ungrounded machine because they dont really care about that stuff in china. after all electrocution possibilities makes it all that much more exciting:)
@@Q5Grafx how much does the price for these type machines change? How much does a hobby cnc machine cost aprox? And what are the prices for a cnc like the one in this video for example? Or just how expensive can they get?
Why not put a second layer of wasteboard between the work and the table so you can cut through with confidence and that would save you a boatload of finishing work with the inner pockets? If need be you can also just give the middle wasteboard a quick pass so it is flat against the machine reference surface.
I usually cut all the way through. This spoil board is close to replacement as I've resurfaced it a few times already. Just did this project real quick for illustration purposes.
you talked about efficiency of the toolpaths ect, but your machine is not running as efficient as it could be. When you probed the bit, it took a long time for your machine to reach full speed. This means that your acceleration is way low. On all the small moves of the 3D toolpath, your machine is going much much slower then the requested feedrate. by upping your accel you will get better cut times. Also, those types of toolpaths are in fact 3D and not 2.5D 2.5D refers mainly to cutting 2D shapes basically stacked or recessed. You are running true 3D toolpath in a raster on Y
Clearly keyboard quarterbacking on my part. I believe I'd design for standard size wood and cut the wood to size and a nesting program, let the software do the work. Wood and software are both cheaper than time.
Everyone is looking for something for nothing....... I have gotten to where the price is what is take it or leave it. They have no idea the time I put into programming as well as operational cost of the equipment much less the cost of the machine.
So how many times is that machine paid for?? Once you have a program , its saved and can be reused to get the exact "copy" of someone elses older work, many times over. Just like a print vs an original oil painting. But theres a big difference in pricing between the two. But im guessing the pricing isnt changed here. Btw. I have a Chevelle too! As you know, as an example, a true SS isnt the same price as a clone. lol
@@terrythomas790 depends on the machine you buy, real industrial grade machines could depending on size cost up to $250k plus depending on how its outfitted. Sobit really doesn't matter how many times the machine pays itself off there is still ongoing maintenance and consumables which the average Joe has no idea what that costs to maintain. Yeah unfortunately the chevelle super sport is one of the most faked cars out there. My 68 was a Baldwin Motuon car but the guy I got it from got rid of the original 427 and transmission because he wanted more power. I guess he didn't realize how valuable this car would have been truly restored to original factory spec.
The entire purpose of cnc machining is to make tools/parts cost effectively, and efficiently. They do all of the hard work, all we do is save a program to an sd card or usb drive and plug it in. I own one, I know. Very little effort goes into producing a mass number of orders. Really cool process, but we set these up in minutes usually man.
Okay, I saw $1900 somewhere, sorry. I just looked at your link, if anyone says $25 is too expensive then they are just trying to hustle you. Cool setup man.
I agree. His prices are actually too low. As an artist for many, many years I get that people do not understand the creative process. They see machine/computer made and automatically jump to inexpensive. But I also understand it's hard to sell creative in this day and age of Chinese cheap copies. People have to get use to paying for original work. My prices have gone up. It's now, my way or the highway.
@Yggdrasil But that paper money is used to pay the expenses it takes to actually make all the products. As long as you figure in the total overhead to make sure that's covered. Everyone has to take that into account before even thinking about making a profit.
Hey Reuben at 16:20 you point out that your spoilboard may have leveling issues as some areas did not cut all the way through to the point they can be seen visually... I am pretty new to CNC and I am curious if fixing that issue is as simple as resurfacing the spoilboard?
LiDAR is only good (in 2020) at room scale modeling. There is photography based tech at the desktop level, or better but you still need a perfect model. Which solves the 20% at the cost of 30%.
with Rhino i construct 3d-Objekts, out of the view from top i generate with the software a 2D-Line around the 3d-Objekt, then i safe only the lines as dxf-file and all the rest also lines as stl-file. then i open software: Construcam 3d(was included with cnc-machine, else it costs 1000 euro not sure, and both files get opened in software. into the software i add into the Programm-bit-list my own existing bits, with diameter, shaft-length, etc, then i choose 1 out of many lines in file and open the relief-area of software where the stl-file got openeD, with the selected 2d Line(blue marked) over the grey relief-stl-picture i select in the menue generate tracks for the selected bit, software works 5-20 secs, safe it on extra layer, and software communicates with cnc-controller-software, so i sent file to the laptop, controlling the cnc, and the machine knows all lines, with needed deepnees, where to go up on defined altitude(i use 5-10mm) and move to next area, it slows down little infront edges and accelerates after edge again, different bits= different speed of x+y+z, also rpm can be controlled
in construcam you adjust the amount of layers for the bit, the distance to next track, to make slow 90 degree relief or fast 80 or 70 degree-relief, example, 3mm bit and 20mm wood, 3mm can work safe 3mm deep, so i select 7 layer for hard wood or 6 layer for soft-woord, the first layers just for making room for the real relief, they are with distance 1mm to the next track, but software lets space for the last layer, where you can select extra for this layer a distance from 0,2mm to the next track for exact relief-strucure..you dont have to change bits, its quick and the relief is solala accetable..
You kept handling the dolphins insignia. As a former nuke chemist who served aboard a ballistic submarine, I have to say that's my favorite of the four examples in this job. Well done, sir.
I get it, I really do. I designed and built my own CNC machine using Openbuilds.com. BUT(you knew that was coming)...... Being someone that regularly uses and sells carved models. I feel that you over sold the CNC's Job. With tool paths, and with the whole CNC process, their is actually not much in (2019) that we have to do. We input the information, and a computer does the rest, it starts and stops the Gcode when we change tools, the most we have to do is re-zero the Z axis.(at least on mine). You mention how you have to (change your own tools)..... It is easy.... Freaking really easy. ...The way I charge is I set up a material price(material x2) and a hourly time(usually cheap because a machine does most) and then I do a design time. But you have to really think about it........ we get paid to know how to work a machine, it is not hard to us, it is not complicated to us.So why is it so expensive, I don't get it, I make great money and no one says I am too expensive. You talk about making changes, but really you take 5 minutes and a machine takes 2 hours......... I budget my day at 200 dollars a day. If I can bill the items I create at 200 dollars a day, then I am happy and having a great time. No reason you need to charge 50-100 dollars on a design that you spend 30 minutes actually just touching a machine. If my machine runs for 5 hours, I still only charge 25 dollars an hour that my machine runs and make quite the profit. And you say the computers glitch? Nah, that is incorrect, the CNC machine only does what you tell it to do. It never tells the router do slam through the middle of the cut with your half an inch bit....Computers only do exactly what you tell them to. The only exception is when shut down or hang... but they do what you tell them to... if not, you are doing it wrong.
@@jarsofclay5 Ive done the same thing before but be careful doing that I seen a video on youtube where the wood work piece moved and the spindle started digging in the wood and caused a fire.
I don't think you are dealing with this kind of stuff for very long. CNC machines do fail. Not only people. There is a lot more than just computers involved. Also he has to pay for his machine, that doesn't come for the price of a shapeoko.
@RB Wood Creations any chance you could do a short video on setting up the tool paths on a job like this? I struggle to grasp how you can tell it what to cut when you appear to be selecting a multi contoured face. Or is that the trick you select all the faces at once?
Could you make something like this with a blank space so something like a name or address could be added in later. Like a copy, past lettering on top? Much like you can do with AutoCAD software? That and you could always put in a keyhole slot with a hand router to hang these up.
Great video on this project, a lot of good useful information! Noticing your files in this one are Navy insignia. Were you in? I own a small CNC in the pangs of birth of a nicer small desktop machine. I'd love to share some knowledge about carving this type of stuff and just where you source your designs! I'd love to make a few of these bad boys for some shipmates, both afloat and retired!
Father in law carves wooden green men by hand. The response is easy the cost pays for his skill and time not for the £2 or 100g lump of wood he starts with. No difference with CNC, for fun I have started to clone a few he carved by hand and it isn't easy getting those complex curved surfaces right.I'd tell folks if they want it in cheap plastic go to alibaba.
I've been looking into getting a CNC wood carving set up is there a huge learning curve with the one you own ? also how much could I expect to pay for something similar to what you're using thank you
What is the name and model of the sanding wheel for your drill? I have been looking for a tool like that for a while and even went to some wood shops and ask them the closest I found with some Dremel piece of junk that cost a lot of money and it's too aggressive even on the Dremel lowest setting
For the price I find these carvings for I'd wish for better quality wood and finishing touches. The one's I have access to are made from the softest wood possible and need a lot of TLC sanding. Super rough stuff. I'm sure they're using old garbage bits to stretch out the dollar - but yea. To be fair, I looked at your inventory and they are exceptionally priced and made out of great quality wood. So I'm sure it's just my local shop that's being stingy.
I'd love to have one of these machines to do a relief map of the area I grew up. Lots of hills, rivers and ponds. I've thought of doing something by hand but that would take years. I already have maps, the hard part would be calculating the scale and making the full thing a reasonable size. Maybe an N scale so I could run a model train through the areas with tracks.
I realize your post is old, but I am seriously considering gearing up to do what you described in your post. How large a map would you want, and what do you think would be a reasonable price for it?
@@rickojames N-scale trains are 1:160 while HO-Scale are 1:87 and they are both common sizes. I would probably set up a 4x8 sheet of plywood and determine what I could fit on it at those scales, maybe not center the town but get the most dramatic geological features as the center with train tracks running where they fit. As this would be a hobby I would have to do as time and money allowed. I've never priced anything out but some modeling items can get pricey. Or maybe simply skip the details like vegetation and realistic buildings.Just going with the plywood and make it look a bit like google maps. That would still involve several sheets of 1/8" plywood and right now you need a loan to buy more than one sheet at a time. Price would vary wildly based on what you what to do and how much you can spend.
@@tstuff Maybe I wasn't clear in my question. By 'gearing up', I mean I plan on adding a 4x8 router to my shop and do 3D terrains. You were asking if this guy did maps, so I was asking you what you would be willing to pay for a 3D model of the area you wanted. Since you said 4'x8', what would you be willing to pay for a 3D model of your area carved out of MDF? Thanks.
@@rickojames I actually want to add a CNC machine to my shop. The idea of the 3D map was just something I would use it for. I've always wanted to do it myself. I had thought of using foam sheet but with a CNC I could calculate out a far more accurate map on 1/8 subfloor materials using USGS topo maps. It would be more of a hobby thing rather than having someone else do it. If you are asking what you could reasonably charge? That I don't know. You would have a lot of work and materials that would probably go into something like that. Wood, glue, calculations, inputting it into the computer, cutting times, cutting bits....
I'm not sure where you get your wood but where I am what you charge would barely cover the cost of the materials. With all the time and other things you put into it you would not be making much of a profit.
