0:00 Are air-cooled 911's Overrated? 0:53 There are NO deals on Air cooled Porsche 911's. 1:23 It's impossible to judge a Air Cooled 911 until you've driven one. 1:47 Will Air Cooled Porsche prices ever come down? 2:39 Not a recent trend, Aircooled 911's have always appreciated. 3:11 Are Aircooled 911's reliable? For a daily? 5:08 Maintenance is easy, because air-cooled 911's are so simple. 6:12 Aircooled Porsche 911's VS Competition. 7:21 Aircooled 911 VS Newer 911's. 7:38 Air cooled 911's rarely stay stock, most are modified. 8:48 When air-cooled 911's are modified, the budgets regularly pass $100K+ 9:05 What's the BEST Air-cooled Porsche 911? 10:34 Most people will never understand the air-cooled 911obsession.
Couldn't agree more, especially about the speed thing. There are much faster cheaper cars out there. It's about the experience, and that is exactly why I enjoy my 1982 911SC.
Eh, I had a chance to buy an '82 911 SC in 2006 for $13k. So they HAVE had low points. I declined and bought a '99 M3 instead for $16k because it had sooooo much more performance, but while I prob shoulda bought the 911 for investment purposes, the point is: there's been many points where the air cooled's were considered outdated and less valuable.
Yes I remember when we sold an 84 targa in 2007 for only 15k. Not all 911’s have always been valuable, the 1970’s cars with the 2.7’s were hard to sell for many years. But, they were always worth more than comparable Porsche models. Most importantly, when you strip away the hype and values, the cars are hard to compare. That’s why most people that have owned aircooled 911’s for any extended periods, don’t cross shop with anything else….this is at the deeper reason for elevated values. Mark Radcliffe thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
Given you are a young guy I’ll let it go that you missed the dip in prices in the late 80s and early 90s for the 1967-1973 911s. I bought my 1972 911T for $6k in 1990. You could not give those cars away at that time because everyone wanted the more modern looking ones. So many pre-74 cars were chopped up to make them look like a later turbo! It’s rather funny that I saw people doing that with 996s as well - chopping the fronts up to update them to a 997 look. Some things never change.
Yesss I know! Here in Miami we had lots and lots of 67-73’s converted into a 993 look, this was in the late 1990’s. Lots of businesses ‘updating’ older 911’s popped up! Today, people are doing the opposite… Backdates are what’s hot now! I agree, somethings will never change. Random DIY thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
Great video good job. Someone asked me once, why do you drive a 911? I just looked at them with a blank look on my face and said “oh, so you haven’t driven one.”
Those air cooled elites can snicker when they see my 996 "fried eggs", and I can keep laughing my ass off knowing what they paid compared to what I paid for what I think is actually a better car... love my 996 and the $10' s of thousands I saved. Great channel, keep em coming
The 996 is a superior performance car. However it lost much of the 911’s traditional character. A small example is the rock solid door "thunk", the tactile click of the air cooled door handles, and the tiny foot print of 993 and earlier 911s. I’ve got a 996 & a 964 (which is in the process of returning to driving condition).
@@JoJoJoker agree, especially the feel and sound of the doors (996's & 997's could almost be called terrible). I would argue, as time goes on and new generations are released, the 996 has more in common in very many ways with its air cooled brethren than any older 911 has with the 991 or especially the 992 which for me are becoming almost unrecognizable as 911's. Beautiful and amazing as they are, very little in common with the earlier generations. Congrats on the 964! I do think that's awesome. For now, I'm enjoying dailying my 996 and recently bought 997, maybe sell em both plus a few more shekels and I'll get an air cooled model myself some day...
I bought a 76 Targa in 1992 for about $9000. Yes, I have done a lot of maintenance. replacement and repair over 32 years but it is worth every penny. no electronics. no ac, no abs, no power steering. Yes, some upgrades to suspension and electrical from newer cars. There is nothing like it.
The market has not always been crazy, this started in 2013/2014. There was a time (2000-2012) when you could buy a long hood or G Body 911 for $6,000-$25,000, with most selling in the $10,000-$15,000 range. These are wonderful cars and not many nice examples are left. I would prefer, an old car over a new one any day. You are correct on the build quality being higher, then anything made today. 993’s have always been worth money, but there was a time when you could buy them for $30k
Partly right, in the early 2000’s -the prices dropped because of the newer water cooled cars. But that didn’t last long, by 2007 -air cooled prices were already outpacing water cooled cars by a lot. At the end of the day, the cream always rises to the top…air cooled cars are the most sought after Porsche’s in the world. Are they worth the worth the current prices? I say YES 🙌🏻 EMP Powersports and Marine thanks for watching! 🔥🔥 Everyone -Go check out EMP’s RU-vid channel! ☝️☝️
Absolutely spot on. These will remind us how fun was driving (and what driving actually meant) in 20 years when cars are boring... ... But wait, aren't we there already?
Your videos have done an excellent job explaining the economics of the various Porsche models in the marketplace. “Bank vault doors” is a great term, and really crystallizes the build quality on the 993’s versus the 996’s. I must say, I feel the difference in my Panamera’s “bank vault doors,” versus my BMW 640 doors - which just aren’t the same. Keep up the great work on the channel!
Got my 964 for a great price in 2014. Prices have went crazy now. 4x what I paid. But, its irrelevant, cause I'll never sell, as there is nothing to replace it with.
Indeed, 964 prices have EXPLODED! But with good reasons, Singer uses the 964’s as their base chasis for all their cars.. and they’re not the only high end manufacturer using the 964 as their starting point! It’s happening all over the world 🌎 = prices 🆙 Vincenzo Deluca thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
Sotheby's just had another record breaking sale of classic 911’s here in Miami, just this December. If anything, I’m seeing higher prices because people are putting there money on safer assets. There is an opening on the automatics & convertibles, and beaters. The nice examples are heading higher.. Are they being purchased by true enthusiast? It’s hard to say at this point. Prawnstar9213 thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
You really know what you're talking about. I had not known about the recent market preference for 915 vs. G50 transmissions, but it makes sense. Good to know, since I've had my '85 (with 915) since the 90's. On the driving experience, I find it to be like a go-kart, helped by the fact that mine is a cabriolet. One thing though, on the price history, I believe there was a significant dip in prices following the 2007 financial crisis, but it has been straight line up since around 2009, with no end in sight. Now that they are what they are, they will always be desirable, irreplaceable, and appreciating.
I love the Cabrio’s, the sound is sooo much more with the top down! 💥 I myself used to prefer the G50 cars, but I’ve had a change of heart…and it looks like the used car market also. It’s a bit more challenging, but also more and rewarding… Truly special. Dre thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
You nailed it. I didn't know my 915-equipped 911 was now more valued than G50 cars. The explanation makes sense - you own these cars for the raw experience. (I drive my 928 for a more refined experience.)
The market seems to have been turning towards the 915 equipped cars as of 2020, I don’t see that trend changing! Condition is still number 1! Curt Austin thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
What he said in the video was that a nice 915 car will fetch more than a clapped out G50. That makes sense. But all else equal the G50 will sell for more than a 915 every time and will be easier to sell to boot. Just look around. There are very few G50 cars for sale these days.
In many cases, the 915 cars are selling for more than G50 cars… as of 2020. Condition is still King, always has been. Not many for sale now, but many pop up for sale every Spring
You know it! Electric cars might be getting faster, but they definitely fall under ‘transportation’ category….not as FUN! 🤩 Alvin Prince thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
I grew up in Detroit have done what you and your brother have with owning and selling cars. Excellent video and great job explaining the economics. Earned my subscription! Looking forward to more quality content.
Mike, air cooled 911’s have been going up a lot more than that! 🚀🚀 How high will they go? It’s hard to say, but they’re definitely outperforming most classics 💣💣💥💥💥
They are beautiful art on wheels. Beyond the pedigree and prestige, it’s just so much fun to drive. Driving requires concentration and engagement. The more you put in, the more it rewards you. Slow in fast out ! The sound of that engine is intoxicating. It’s just the right size. There is nothing like it !
Kaz the original video was 53 minutes, I had to cut it down for RU-vid’s algorithm. So lots of the details got cut. I’m still learning to break down topics into segments for video editing, not as simple as it seems (still a newbie). Kaz Strankowski thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
Part of the appeal is that they don't look like other old cars. Although I'm amazed at the amount of money guys put into their 911's. I'm a BMW man myself and I'm not into old stuff. I like driving my M2 and maybe that will become a specialty item later, after I'm done with it.
Indeed! The M2 is one of the best… if not the best in the BMW line! It stays true to its roots, the best driving one for sure. Hopefully BMW keeps making cars like that! Billy Boy thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
Bill, I totally understand your reasoning. Most people think the same, until they go for a drive. The real question: is there something for the same money that can give a comparable driving experience? Bill thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
It’s definitely possible, but not here. There was also less of them back then.. -which scared many with maintenance concerns (fewer shops to service them). Ferrari 348’s & 355’s were also not worth much until a few years ago, tips on how to maintain them and do manual swaps has increased their desirability exponentially
@@HernanSpeed those are one of the most basic, simple cars ever made. Never heard of problem finding mechanic for them. Perhaps in states that's the issue. Doing alignment on some of them is a different story.
Thanks for the feedback! I’m still learning, 19 months ago I had never done this. It’s hard learning new things after the 40’s 😝 Kelly Smith thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
I always loved air-cooled 911 but its too rich for my blood that's why I stick to my air-cooled beetles lol. My old boss in the early 2000s raced his 86 and I thought he was nuts to do so, but it's ment to be driven he said
Totally agree but 20 something years ago, I sold my various air-cooled Porsches at losses. I think I just missed the steep price increases. I bought a 997.2 which I’ve owned for 10 years. Recently I’ve bought an original condition 86 SSE Targa with a rebuilt 915 transmission. The car is being shipped from the UK - so I haven’t actually seen it in the flesh just yet, but like you say, even if it needs some makeover, it can be restored to peak condition. What a car! Also Porsche themselves recognise the value and market in maintaining these classic cars - they have opened Classic Porsche workshops around the world. There might be some dips and plateau in prices, but my view is that long term, they can only increase - unless combustion engines are banned! Let’s hope not. Restricted use may be on the agenda in the future but as long as these cars can be used, there will always be a demand. For good reason! Good video!
Yes, I totally agree! There’s nothing like the aircooled models! The 997.2 is a great buy too, there will always be a premium on those…the engine alone makes it worth it! David Morais thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
Eh, some of the stuff here is accurate, some is not. For example - because a lot of people drove these things all the time they do get worn out. This is especially true in warmer climates where they can be driven all year round. I bought an '84 Targa in CA that had about 150K and it has been somewhat maintained it required a major refurbishment of almost everything including engine, transmission, roof, HVAC, etc. Of course it was well worth it and I enjoyed the process while learning to work on it but still, don't expect condition perfection unless you're willing to pay major $$$$ for it.
When buying a used Porsche, condition is number one priority. In a sense, you’re buying the previous owner(s). The 993’s in particular, are truly a 24/7 - 365 year car…especially in hot weather. All the more important to check the maintenance, especially the deferred maintenance on cars that look like ‘deals’. Eugene A. thanks for watching! 🔥🔥
I like the Elise, they’re amazing for road course events! 🚀 And nothings better than Toyota reliability with the engine! But it’s too rough for most people, especially if you’re going to daily it.
